Is Religion Itself Maya?

[renuka]

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If you mean மண்ணாங்கட்டி I think you are missing an "n". But then, at least மண்ணாங்கட்டி is used as analogy for explaining difficult concepts. On the other hand, religion, at best has been an escape from the grim realities of life and at worst a tool in the hands of the wicked to separate people and make them hate each other. On balance, humanity would have been better off without it.

Dear Nara ji,

Yes Yes..I mean மண்ணாங்கட்டி only....what to do my Tamil is not that great and I made a typo..I have corrected the spelling by adding the extra N. Thanks.

Anyway I fully agree with your post.

 

[renuka]

This kavithai was written by me about 15 years back. I dont know whether this can pass as a kavithai because I have not bothered to subject it to the strict test of grammar of prosody. I wrote it when I was touring Nepal (when I had a minor health problem and was trying to explain it to a doctor there) just keeping in mind only the chandam (rhyme). Please bear with me if you are a tamil scholar and you find it grammatically not passing the test.

ஊமையன் கண்ட கனவு

ஊமையன் ஒரு கனவு கண்டால் அதை
யாரிடம் எப்படிக்கூறிடுவான்?
வீணை மீட்டும் விரல்களையிழந்த
வைணிகன் எவ்வாறுணர்ந்திடுவான்?
எல்லாம் உணர்வுகள் உணர்வுகளே
வெளிப்பாடில்லா உணர்வுகளே.

பொங்கிவருது பெருநிலவு
பூத்து நிற்குது புதுமலர்.
பச்சைப்பசேலென
பரந்துகிடக்குது புல்வெளி
"நதியில் விளையாடி கொடியில் தலைசீவி"
நடந்து வருது இளந்தென்றல்.

"ஆயிரம் பாதசரங்கள் கிலுக்கி"
ஆழமாய் தெளிவாய் ஆறாய்
அழகாய் சுழியாய் அருவியாய்
ஓடையாய் ஒழுகுது நதி--
இவையெல்லாம்
காண்பவர் மனதில் தோற்றுவதென்ன?

நிலவின் தண்மை, மலரின் மணம்,
புல்லின் பச்சை, தென்றலின் வருடல்,
ஆற்றின் அழகு எல்லாம் என்ன?
தண்மை என்ன? வெப்பம் என்ன?
பச்சை என்ன? நீலம் என்ன?
மணம் என்ன? வீச்சம் என்ன?

உனக்குள் நீயும் எனக்குள் நானும்
உணரும் இந்த அனுபவமென்ன?
மொழிகட்கப்பால் நின்றிடும் இந்த
புதிருக்கான விடை தான் என்ன?

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I will surely read this Kavithai at my slow slow rate..but meanwhile let me share a poem with you..just written now..sitting in my room where my AC just stopped working..yes its like your Nepal trip too where the lack of oxygen gives a high of a different kind which can bring out the poet in us.


I am no poet...but after I saw you I become a poet..(Just kidding ..that is Main Syair To Nahi first line..ha ha ha).


Ok now is the real poem...just 3 stanzas.

When we learnt to walk..we learnt it ourselves,
We thought that mother taught us to walk,
But in reality... muscles and bones gave us support,
It's our own effort..yet we were made to doubt.

Does religion do the same??
A sinister game that makes us always doubt,
Our own capability that is actually within,
But made us to believe its without.

So Vaagmi dear..frankly now I do not fear,
Whether I falter or do a Usain Bolt,
Don't want to be misled by the "unsure",
Need to be a brave Lion and not a fearful colt.

 

[Vaagmi]

I know it wasn't me..so do you have any idea whom??

I thought you know who invented penicillin. Or is it you? Not me certainly.
I thought you know who invented the steam engine. Or was it you? Not me certainly.

 

[tks]

Dear TKS ji,

There is no triggering event..no Eureka moment too..it is just that some questions and thoughts come to our mind as we read and explore.

I do find some contradictions most of the time.

When I read some works..mostly females are thought as an "enemy" of a man who wants to progress spiritually..the famous Kamini and Kanchana advise to Brahmacharins....this makes me wonder..the very word nArI itself denoting a female means na(not) ari(enemy)..which translates as Not an Enemy(a friend)..so why choose to call her enemy when nArI means friend?

Couldn't ancients decide what they really wanted to say?? Why was everyone so bipolar?

Brahmacharins should be taught that desire is our own enemy and the sexual instinct is one of the most difficult desire to get over..and they should be taught how to handle it and not taught to view a woman with contempt..when we have contempt or hatred for anything we only create another stumbling block for ourselves..that is after getting over sexual desire..now we have to get over hatred.

The blame game seems the name of the game everywhere..very few text ask us to rectify ourselves..remember the story where the sage steals from a house he ate in and the next day the servant is blamed for it cos the servant used to be a thief before and since she had cooked the food for the sage...the sage got influenced by her bad thoughts...why didnt the sage blame himself for the theft when it was him who stole at that time and not the servant?

If that theory of bad thoughts holds good that the servant being an ex thief could influence a sage by just preparing his food..then why no one becomes a highway robber after reading Ramayan? After all Sage Valmiki was once upon a time the infamous highway robber Ratnakara.

So you see there is a lot of discrepancy and contradictions and very less emphasis on self introspection and only the blame game is played..now if this is truth..I really do not know how to even spell untruth.

If anyone sees contradictions then they could resolve them by rejecting the notions that cause contradictions in the mind. Or it may be that one may be trying to see consistency when it is not really there or because the context under which a notion is presented is missing or confused.

One cannot take Puranic stories literally as some do .

One may think there is really a Mahavishnu 'hanging around' under the head of a special Pambu in an ocean of milk etc. with Mahalakshmi by his side. Or there is a Siva roaming around over Mt Kailash. The people who hold such literal image to be the reality tend to view objective in life to be not the life here but an afterlife wherein they want to mingle with their God after death.

Many Puranic stories will appeal to such a person. For a person not causing any harm to anyone (by 'my way or highway' kind of exclusivity) a simple model of pantheon of Gods is fine in my view.

Depending on how many contradictions such a person want to *sense and resolve * (and they will invariably run into contradictions sooner or later if they begin to ask question ) then they may want to make more inquiries.

In this unorganized umbrella religion called Hinduism there are many ways of being included and the web of contradictions are tied together by a few concrete notions.

If one wants to start asking questions then achieving an intermediate goal of a reasonable model of truth/reality will require two things.

1. A genuine quest to find the truth (without prejudice and beliefs) suspending our desire to be right - this is an attitude and one not easily achieved
2. A willingness to put effort to learn - I have not come across many who are willing to go the extra mile to learn and learn properly. What is found often in people is a Tamasic sense of not putting genuine effort justified by the idea that such topics are easy and that anyone can just understand them by just using our life experience. Often such people will take strong position in the name of logic but not having made the right effort. It is a waste of time seeking their input or feedback if the quest is real.

You mentioned a few ideas - here let me present some other context as well.

Female form is given equal status in both philosophical ideas (be it Vedanta or even atheism based Sankaya notions); Even in religion there are forms like Ardhanareeshvara. There are as many forms of worship of female forms as male forms. This is unique to Hindu tradition.

Desire is not really taught as an enemy. In fact it is a privilege. Pursuit of Desire (Kama) and Security (Artha) are perfectly valid Purshartha. But a desire that takes control of a person seizes to be a privilege and can be considered an enemy of self growth.

 

[sangom]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I will surely read this Kavithai at my slow slow rate..but meanwhile let me share a poem with you..just written now..sitting in my room where my AC just stopped working..yes its like your Nepal trip too where the lack of oxygen gives a high of a different kind which can bring out the poet in us.


I am no poet...but after I saw you I become a poet..(Just kidding ..that is Main Syair To Nahi first line..ha ha ha).


Ok now is the real poem...just 3 stanzas.

When we learnt to walk..we learnt it ourselves,
We thought that mother taught us to walk,
But in reality... muscles and bones gave us support,
It's our own effort..yet we were made to doubt.

Does religion do the same??
A sinister game that makes us always doubt,
Our own capability that is actually within,
But made us to believe its without.

So Vaagmi dear..frankly now I do not fear,
Whether I falter or do a Usain Bolt,
Don't want to be misled by the "unsure",
Need to be a brave Lion and not a fearful colt.

Smt. Renuka,

The poem is good and it explains religion well in the lines —

A sinister game that makes us always doubt,
Our own capability that is actually within,
But made us to believe its without.

But now, after these many posts, I start getting a doubt whether this thread is itself not one of your tricks to befool us all ! LOL. Because, a person who can even think on the above lines at one point of time, while considering SSB as something equal to the creator god, (with which one is made to believe that he/she is just a mere powerless pawn before the great might of religion) is something unusual.

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Vaagmi ji,

I will surely read this Kavithai at my slow slow rate..but meanwhile let me share a poem with you..just written now..sitting in my room where my AC just stopped working..yes its like your Nepal trip too where the lack of oxygen gives a high of a different kind which can bring out the poet in us.


I am no poet...but after I saw you I become a poet..(Just kidding ..that is Main Syair To Nahi first line..ha ha ha).


Ok now is the real poem...just 3 stanzas.

1.When we learnt to walk..we learnt it ourselves,
We thought that mother taught us to walk,
But in reality... muscles and bones gave us support,
It's our own effort..yet we were made to doubt.

2.Does religion do the same??
A sinister game that makes us always doubt,
Our own capability that is actually within,
But made us to believe its without.

3.So Vaagmi dear..frankly now I do not fear,
Whether I falter or do a Usain Bolt,
Don't want to be misled by the "unsure",
Need to be a brave Lion and not a fearful colt.

I am glad that you have become a shair and a sher too.LOL. And your poetry is not bad. I have given numbers to your work so that commenting will be easy.

1. We learnt to walk. We had our mothers around. We had bones and muscles. From this subjective angle-drishti kone-now shift yourself to another angle. We were born. We had bones and muscles when we were born. But on birth they were so weak that my neck won't stand erect. There was this mysterious alchemist called time who made my stones strong enough to first keep my neck erect, then slowly he made them strong enough to support me for my awkward bipedal locomotion. At birth however hard my effort had been I could not even coordinate the movements of my hands or eye balls. Yes our own effort and the effort of something outside us. When you are so subjective, you are focussed so much on the self that you fail to see other objects. We were not made to doubt our own efforts, but we were made to understand our dependence on externals. Did you get it? Like Nakkeeran of the movie Thiruvilaiyadal, I have to say there is porutkutram in the first stanza of your kavithai. My sangappalakai rejects it for that reason even while appreciating the effort- like the judge in the Super Singer programme.

2. You can not lift your car with your index finger. Not because a sinister external input makes you doubt your abilities. That is the given situation dear, which people expect you to recognize. What is within you is yours. You should constantly reevaluate it-because you keep adding to it-and use it fully no doubt. But you should also not lose focus of what is outside you and ultimately about what is it that has put you in this situation. Religion is a compilation of experiences of thinkers. Your this poetry is also part of that. If it has to stand for long it has to be meaningful and not profane.

3. Happy that you are free from fear. I wait for the day when you will keep aside your newly acquired doll and look for more beautiful things outside you. Be a brave lion. But dont forget there are other lions too and that you will get old when your prowess will be just a memory. And dont think that a fearful colt is a loser having no place here. A fearful colt is a piece of beauty too. And God-of religion- is the creator of both these.

 

[sangom]

Smt. Renuka,

Now that you have great inputs regarding the God-of religion which is everywhere outside of you but not a bit of it inside (like a mold for casting) I give below a url for a swamiji who says there is an "I-particle" which is the root of all this creation. I saw a TV interview of his, last night. I do not know how he links God and religion with his 'vibration theory'. May be you will find this also interesting!!

Isalayam

His Holiness Swami Isa

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

Smt. Renuka,

The poem is good and it explains religion well in the lines —

A sinister game that makes us always doubt,
Our own capability that is actually within,
But made us to believe its without.

But now, after these many posts, I start getting a doubt whether this thread is itself not one of your tricks to befool us all ! LOL. Because, a person who can even think on the above lines at one point of time, while considering SSB as something equal to the creator god, (with which one is made to believe that he/she is just a mere powerless pawn before the great might of religion) is something unusual.

Dear Sangom ji,

I am being very honest here..no tricks to fool anyone etc.

I have kept names of most Gurujis out even though I had mentioned in one post about Swami Sivananda and Swami Vivekananda about their perception about the word Aryan being a race.

Even then I did not portray either one in a bad light..so I am honest about my question "Is religion itself Maya or Mannangatti?"

I think another thread about Shiridi and Sathya Sai got closed cos it went too personal..so you see in this thread..I am not getting "up close and personal" and dragging in any Guru/Swamiji/Avatar/Shiridi Sai/Sathya Sai etc.

In fact even in my 1st post of this thread..I mentioned that I wont be talking about caste too.

For right now I hope you dont doubt me or compare and contrast my believes about Sathya Sai Baba at present.

My question was 'Is religion itself Maya"

At present I have not denied the existence of an Universal Consciousness.

So believe me I am not playing any tricks on anyone here even though I have quoted SRK's punch dialogue "Don't underestimate the power of a common man"

 

[renuka]

Dear Sangom ji,

Since you had a doubt about my posts..that is you thought that I could be just fooling around..so let me put down the points that has been "troubling" me about religion of any kind..lets start with Hinduism.



1)Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti.

My point is if these guys were Viprah to start with and knew its Ekam Sat then why Bahuda Vadantify anything and make things complicated?

2)Desire is the root cause of evil but yet we see Phalashruti.

The reason given is people wont do anything that does not bring them benefit..why cant truth be preached right away instead of filling up someone's pocket for Pariharam etc.

3)Religion that does not preach equality of any kind but yet Mahavakyas say 'Tat Tvam Asi"..weird isn't it?

4)Enlightened deified Gurus have not yet had compassion rule their hearts and do not have Samadarshinah even though Geeta says that the True Panditah has Samadarshinah.

5)Why when everything is within..we are still taught to look without?
Now many give this cock and bull that it is not easy to see within..now why start off with falsehood??

Imagine if we go to college and we are taught something false wont we all feel we did not get the true knowledge? Imagine if 1st year MBBS we are told that human body runs on petrol and only final year we know that the heart runs the body?Will that be acceptable??

So why when it comes to religion..we start off from darkness..from falsehood then hope a Saviour will come save us Asato Maa Sad Gamaya style??

6)A religion that says "All men are equal but some are more equal than the others"?Does not make sense right?


7)Now coming to other religions..they are no better cos for them only theirs is the right way and the rest rot in hell..actually to a certain extent Hindus also have this feeling..their is the best but somehow they just smile and say "Oh all is the same... but may be out of fear practice Ahimsa but in their mind God knows what goes on"


So you see with all these thoughts.. one starts to wonder...'Is Religion the biggest trick played upon us by the Universal Consciousness?"

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom ji,

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So you see with all these thoughts.. one starts to wonder...'Is Religion the biggest trick played upon us by the Universal Consciousness?"

Smt. Renuka,

My health condition compels me to take a good afternoon nap. I shall reply in some detail later. For now, let me just say that the Universal Consciousness has no role in any religion whichever; these are all human creations from first to last. I tend to view that Sankara was probably the first person to elucidate the truth but since he was compelled to stick within the boundaries of vedas, his style got a little cramped and became slightly unclear.

The following url seemed interesting to me - I believe it is a quote from Osho's book and not a fake :

Hazrat e Ishq: Smashing the Idols: Master Osho on Swami Vivekananda

 

[SANDHYAV]

apparently QURON HAS two broad chapters.

1. the religious practices, by which u connect with god
2. the connectedness and ur duty to your surroundings

the consciousness is a layman's term i think a wonderful amalgamation of the above 2?

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dear Sangom ji,


So you see with all these thoughts.. one starts to wonder...'Is Religion the biggest trick played upon us by the Universal Consciousness?"

Dear Doctor,

Wonderful thoughts to ponder over. Briefly I share my thoughts on this. (It may not be in the same order in which you have expressed.) Religion is a collection of doctrines and people following them. Spiritual aspirations are not confined to religious people alone. Some time or other these quires arise in our mind, and these can be solved by our mind alone. We cannot find the answer outside of us. The relationship between the creator and created is unique, All our queries originate from this only. If we could find an answer for them it is the "Sat, the unchanging Truth". It is like taste of sugar or spice. All the book knowledge cannot give us the taste, unless we experience them. Book knowledge contains the perception of some one else, not ours.

“Truth is a pathless land”. Said Jiddu Krishnamuti and continued "Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection.".

Please give a thought over his words, I shall join the discussions later.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom ji,

Since you had a doubt about my posts..that is you thought that I could be just fooling around..so let me put down the points that has been "troubling" me about religion of any kind..lets start with Hinduism.

Smt. Renuka,

This is in continuation of my post # 60.

1)Ekam Sat Viprah Bahuda Vadanti.

My point is if these guys were Viprah to start with and knew its Ekam Sat then why Bahuda Vadantify anything and make things complicated?

This part of a rik is a much misinterpreted one. This must have come in handy to somebody so that he could project hinduism or the vedas as endorsing a pan-secular or universal religious principle. If we look just at the portion ekaṃ sad viprā bahudhā vadanti, then it would appear as though the rigvedic sage (and hence, even the hinduism of today as well) was saying that there is something like a parabrahman or universal consciousness, etc., and was thereby underscoring the universality of all religions, all gods and all kinds of god-worship, etc.

But if we read this small bit of one rik in its proper context in the rigveda, we find that this appears in the sookta ṛgveda I-164 as the 46th. rik. This hymn (sookta) is probably one among the longest in the samhita, comprising 52 riks or verses. This particular hymn appears to me to be a compilation of various riks attributed to the rishi dīrghatamas (literally, long darkness) praising various deities or devas such as viśvedevas, vāk, āpa, śakadhūma, soma, keśinaḥ- which means agni, sūrya and vāyu - sūrya, sarasvān, sarasvatī, and sādhyās.

The rik in question (146) is on the deva āditya and the complete rik is:

इन्द्रं मित्रं वरुणमग्निमाहुरथो दिव्यस्ससुपर्णो गरुत्मन् ।
एकं सद्विप्राबहुधावदन्त्यग्निं यमं मातरिश्वानमाहुः ॥

indraṃ mitraṃ varuṇamagnimāhuratho divyassasuparṇo garutman |
ekaṃ sadviprābahudhāvadantyagniṃ yamaṃ mātariśvānamāhuḥ ||

This means, "this āditya is referred to (called) as indra, mitra, varuṇa, agni as also as the garuda with divine wings of the sky. In truth there is but one thing only, but those who (profess to) know about the gods by various names. They call Him agni, yama and also as the air that is breathed.

It will thus be seen that dīrghatamas was not talking about all religions, and not even about all the godheads of the ṛgveda; he was merely describing some aspect of what he thought was the essential nature of āditya or the sun god.

During the phase of reemergence of vedas and hinduism towards the fag end of the British rule (and my own guess is that this piece of the rik ekaṃ sadviprābahudhāvadanti must have been publicised by Ramakrishna Mission) there was an effort to project vedas, hinduism etc., in a "larger than life" way and this piece came in handy; that was all.

2)Desire is the root cause of evil but yet we see Phalashruti.

The reason given is people wont do anything that does not bring them benefit..why cant truth be preached right away instead of filling up someone's pocket for Pariharam etc.

Here we have to recognise and accept the fact that hinduism has all along had material benefits as one of the aims of people and right from some of the special vedic sacrifices (putrakameshti, rajasuyam, aswamedham) there was the expectation of gross material benefits. In fact the ṛgveda depicts a people who very much loved this world, this life and all other joyous and happy things which go with these. Later on, philosophies like buddhism, jainism, etc., came in and started preaching against "desire". The dichotomy has arisen on account of our reading both the phases of hinduism as coeval.

3)Religion that does not preach equality of any kind but yet Mahavakyas say 'Tat Tvam Asi"..weird isn't it?

Hinduism, imo, never stood for equality and hence it is useless to talk about that. Tat tvam asi just does not mean equality of any kind; it only helps to create two categories of people viz., those who have realized that tatvamasi and others who haven't.

4)Enlightened deified Gurus have not yet had compassion rule their hearts and do not have Samadarshinah even though Geeta says that the True Panditah has Samadarshinah.

I think this is the flip side of equality. You will probably come across some stories of samadarsana in the puranas and other myths but that's all about it. If the majority of panditas were samadarsins why would gita emphasize it? It is clear that most panditas were not samadarsins.

5)Why when everything is within..we are still taught to look without?
Now many give this cock and bull that it is not easy to see within..now why start off with falsehood??

Imagine if we go to college and we are taught something false wont we all feel we did not get the true knowledge? Imagine if 1st year MBBS we are told that human body runs on petrol and only final year we know that the heart runs the body?Will that be acceptable??

So why when it comes to religion..we start off from darkness..from falsehood then hope a Saviour will come save us Asato Maa Sad Gamaya style??

Because the makers of religion themselves did not know what to look for and where. They were, however, able to brainwash people or even compel the people by various other methods to subscribe to the line they had drawn. Historical example is the Nazi ideology.

Since those people knew that an honest person is not likely to achieve whatever they were marketing as "true knowledge", they put restrictions such as good guru, proper preparation, readiness to believe whatever is told in the beginning even if those things are rationally jarring, etc., etc. We have one esteemed member who parrots such inanities even today, you see.

6)A religion that says "All men are equal but some are more equal than the others"?Does not make sense right?

I tend to believe that in most religions the clergy (agents for implementation, franchisees) will rank higher than the laity or the lightheaded ones!

7)Now coming to other religions..they are no better cos for them only theirs is the right way and the rest rot in hell..actually to a certain extent Hindus also have this feeling..their is the best but somehow they just smile and say "Oh all is the same... but may be out of fear practice Ahimsa but in their mind God knows what goes on"


So you see with all these thoughts.. one starts to wonder...'Is Religion the biggest trick played upon us by the Universal Consciousness?"

I am of the confirmed opinion that all religions are equally bad and mislead people who are conned into fattening the clergy and the temple managers. But the universal consciousness has nothing to do with this. Human beings in their foolishness and cowardice fall in for the religious propaganda/marketing; from what Shri Kunjuppu writes here, may be you will see such ignorant populations becoming Christians all the way from Chennai to Tirupathi. Same happened in the eastern belt of Kerala in the last century.

Once you fall for religion it is very difficult to escape from that alcatraz. Just like groups of alcoholics or drug addicts people will try all their might to drag you - even by force - back into the old group. Incidentally, most of our swamijis, gurus etc., also flourished in this way only.

 

[amoghvarsha]

Good One. "A Wednesday" and "Unnai Pol Oruvan" also conveys the same meaning where a "Stupid Common Man" shakes the whole govt. And AAP in NewDelhi has proven xactly the same point.

Although, it seems those sages by their writings in general didn't consider themselves super beings except some examples like Durvasa,etc where he curses just coz he was not greeted by a king on his arrival. But atleast by our scriptures we get 2 know that in this also they had some secret game to do good for the "cursed". Don't know what the internal scenario of religion at that time?????

 

[renuka]

“Truth is a pathless land”. Said Jiddu Krishnamuti and continued "Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophical knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the mirror of relationship, through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection.".



Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Dear Sir,

Thank you very much for a beautiful reply...at least I feel a bit better that my thoughts are not "insane" cos my husband is still wondering what has happened to me!LOL

I would like to call it the "missing link" feeling..that comes to us at one point in our life we feel that 'We are never going to find any answers through any organized school of thought,rituals, etc..and have to fall back upon our own selves finally"

Thank you very much once again for your reply.

 

[biswa]

Whenever people start talking about Maya, I feel like they may be having a mid-life crisis.

 

[renuka]

Whenever people start talking about Maya, I feel like they may be having a mid-life crisis.

Now I can predict that some very very young individuals are going to agree with you!LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

Many songs in Carnatic music describe the 'mAya valai' in this world.

Here is a sample line from a song of Sri. Gopalakrishna Bharathi, 'arivuDaiyOr' in rAgam chakravAkam.

"manaivi makkaL dhana dhAnyam endrindha

mAya valaikkuL chikki mayanginEn thayanginEn"

(மனைவி மக்கள் தன தான்யம் என்றிந்த
மாய வலைக்குள் சிக்கி மயங்கினேன் தயங்கினேன்.)

 

[Raji Ram]

Whenever people start talking about Maya, I feel like they may be having a mid-life crisis.

May be because REAL problems arise only in the middle age! :ballchain:

 

[ashwin_ash]

Now I can predict that some very very young individuals are going to agree with you!LOL

There is a form of Kali called 'Dhumavati' in which the Goddess is depicted as an ugly old woman surrounded by a smokescreen. Legend has it that, look beyond the smokescreen and you see a beautiful young woman. The smokescreen is 'maya' and the young woman is the inner conscience.

 

[dvrrajakumar]

Kaivalya Navaneeta explains that. It is really a great advaitic philosophy.

Prof.D.V.R.Rajakumar

 

[guruvayurappan]

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dear RR
l am getting the song
adi enadi ullagam athil eththani kalagam in K.Balachander film/for character played by pada pat jayalakshmi
guruvayurappan