Keralites are the real Indians

[prasad1]

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I personally disagree with Mr. Katju's opinion.

Former Supreme Court judge Justice Markandeya Katju's blog 'Who are the real Indians' has become a roaring hit in Malayalam dailies and gone viral on social media. In his lengthy blog, Katju, also former chairman of the Press Council of India, says he regards "Kerala as the real India because it represents a microcosm of India." Noting that ancestors of perhaps 95% people in India today came from abroad and the original inhabitants are pre-Dravidian tribals known as Scheduled Tribes, he said, "So to live united and in harmony we must respect every group of people."

"In my opinion the Keralites do this the best and therefore they are symbolic and represent the whole of India. So they are the real Indians and all of us must try to emulate them and imbibe their spirit. I regard Kerala as the real India because it represents a microcosm of India....As I said, India is broadly a country of immigrants. The essential quality of Kerala is its openness to external influence - Dravidians, Aryans, Romans, Arabs, British, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Marxists, etc," he said.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...-katju-writes-blog-praising-malayalis-2244169

 

[vgane]

Atleast Kerala rulers are from their own ilk..How about TN....The Dravidian brand of politics has resulted in the isolation of the original Tamil ruler, in the last 5 decades...Telugus, Malayalees, & Kannadigas are ruling the roost!

 

[tbs]

hi

the culture of kerala really great....i studied and lived in kerala.....i visited most of the districts of kerala....i can write/read/

speak malayalam fluently....even though caste/language barrier is very less....we speak tamil at home...malayalam outside...

like delhi tamils...many muslims are friends with hindus....sometimes very harmonious.....now..due to gulf money/political

reasons....they have divisions....even communists used to visit temples....

 

[Vaagmi]

I have lived in Kerala for a sufficiently long period. I can say this. Malayalees are not capable of hatred towards any one. No one can organize them under the banner of hatred for any particular group. They are great people to live with, to be friends with and to have as colleagues in work. They have a healthy respect for people from other states. I would like to go and live in Kerala again if I get a chance.

 

[krish44]

Only keralites are very clan minded.

They bond with each other to keep others out.

Recruit one malayali in an organisation at senior level , he will flood the place with malayalees.

Bengalis have a similar tendency.

Only tamils cut each others throat everywhere.

TBs are the worst.

They spend time only in talking rules, being argumentative and run down other tamil brahmins.

 

[vgane]

TBs are the worst.

They spend time only in talking rules, being argumentative and run down other tamil brahmins.

Do you think Punjabis do not bond with each other....They are the most snobbish & pull others down...Even Gujjus and Marwaris are of similar ilk

 

[krish44]

Punjabis will hang together if it serves their purpose. They can part ways also if it suits their interests.They are most materialistic in deciding friends and foes.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Only tamils cut each others throat everywhere.

TBs are the worst.

They spend time only in talking rules, being argumentative and run down other tamil brahmins.

It is a blanket Statement which has absolutely no basis, a vague one and non committal.

It is a waste of time to discuss on such statements

It sounds like மொட்டை தாத்தா குட்டையில் விழுந்தார்....... lol

In a Forum like this, one is expected to be more specific.

Of course, there may be some who spend their time only in talking ( like samvada... Marketing Managers, Teachers, Professors... some in discourses too).

And there are some who are argumentative (as lawyers in Courts against the opposite party).

And there are some who run down other defiant Tamil Brahmins as journalist and columinsts.

I would to share as to what what Badri Seshari has said in Times of India about TBs recently:

'The angst of the Tamil brahmin: Live and let live'

Excerpts:

They have been at the forefront of pre serving performing arts, heritage monuments and culture in the state and have done much to promote Tamil language and literature. They have contributed immensely to science, engineering, medi to science, engineering, medicine and education in the state.


Politically excluded and socially reviled, what can the Tamil brahmins do to preserve their identity and yet feel secure within the social space in Tamil Nadu and India?

Brahmins are unlikely to demand any kind of reservation in education, job or political sphere. All they would look for is an amenable climate where they can, like other communities, contribute to the progress of the nation.In a liberal country , we would like communities such as Muslims, Christians, Parsis and Jains preserving their unique faith, tradition, customs, attire, language and practices. The same has to be extended to the brahmins of Tamil Nadu. They should be allowed to retain multiple identities -that of a brahmin, a Tamil and an Indian -with pride.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...in-Live-and-let-live/articleshow/45408151.cms

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Reply No.5 is reasonably correct.

Since Bs are reasonably isolated in TN cleverly by rationalist leaders, over the years we develop the tendency of becoming more emotional, especially if it relates to other States.

Can anyone above who speaks high of Keralites, may I call them Kerala Jalras, enlighten on the following:

* Can Tamilians find jobs both Govt. and Private in Kerala and occupy good positions?
* Can Tamilians be able to buy property in prime locations and live happily there?
* Can Musicians, particularly Carnatic, be treated on par with the counterparts in Kerala and be able to live
permanently there, buying property in prime locations similar to Musicians from Palghat in Chennai.
* Can any Tamilian become a politician and at least become an MLA or MP, and if so, how many?
* Does Kerala Govt. declare holiday for any Tamil festivals in Kerala like Onam in TN?
* What is the present condition of Palghat Bs?

I am expecting a reasonable reply from any one of the Kerala Jalras with statistical data, if possible.

 

[krish44]

It is a blanket Statement which has absolutely no basis, a vague one and non committal.

It is a waste of time to discuss on such statements

It sounds like மொட்டை தாத்தா குட்டையில் விழுந்தார்....... lol

In a Forum like this, one is expected to be more specific.

Of course, there may be some who spend their time only in talking ( like samvada... Marketing Managers, Teachers, Professors... some in discourses too).

And there are some who are argumentative (as lawyers in Courts against the opposite party).

And there are some who run down other defiant Tamil Brahmins as journalist and columinsts.

I would to share as to what what Badri Seshari has said in Times of India about TBs recently:

'The angst of the Tamil brahmin: Live and let live'

Excerpts:

They have been at the forefront of pre serving performing arts, heritage monuments and culture in the state and have done much to promote Tamil language and literature. They have contributed immensely to science, engineering, medi to science, engineering, medicine and education in the state.


Politically excluded and socially reviled, what can the Tamil brahmins do to preserve their identity and yet feel secure within the social space in Tamil Nadu and India?

Brahmins are unlikely to demand any kind of reservation in education, job or political sphere. All they would look for is an amenable climate where they can, like other communities, contribute to the progress of the nation.In a liberal country , we would like communities such as Muslims, Christians, Parsis and Jains preserving their unique faith, tradition, customs, attire, language and practices. The same has to be extended to the brahmins of Tamil Nadu. They should be allowed to retain multiple identities -that of a brahmin, a Tamil and an Indian -with pride.

Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...in-Live-and-let-live/articleshow/45408151.cms

Dear sir

You are the best of tamil brahmins here.

My comments are not aimed at anyone in particuler.

This disclaimer is being put so that the member does not take it personal

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Dear sir

You are the best of tamil brahmins here.

My comments are not aimed at anyone in particuler.

This disclaimer is being put so that the member does not take it personal

Dear Sir,

I am not here for any Certificate from anybody.

But I am against anyone demeaning a particular section without knowing much.

Best

 

[krish44]

I am not here to speculate what members are here for.

Certificates can best be given by a doctor here who does not post on sundays.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

I am not here to speculate what members are here for.

Certificates can best be given by a doctor here who does not post on sundays.

Don't take anyting personally...

Don't try to give certificate to whom you don't know much

And we all see her only as a nice member of this Forum ...

May be patients see her as a Doctor.

 

[Vaagmi]

Reply No.5 is reasonably correct.

Since Bs are reasonably isolated in TN cleverly by rationalist leaders, over the years we develop the tendency of becoming more emotional, especially if it relates to other States.

Can anyone above who speaks high of Keralites, may I call them Kerala Jalras, enlighten on the following:

* 1)Can Tamilians find jobs both Govt. and Private in Kerala and occupy good positions?
* 2)Can Tamilians be able to buy property in prime locations and live happily there?
* 3)Can Musicians, particularly Carnatic, be treated on par with the counterparts in Kerala and be able to live
permanently there, buying property in prime locations similar to Musicians from Palghat in Chennai.
* 4)Can any Tamilian become a politician and at least become an MLA or MP, and if so, how many?
* 5)Does Kerala Govt. declare holiday for any Tamil festivals in Kerala like Onam in TN?
* 6)What is the present condition of Palghat Bs?
I am expecting a reasonable reply from any one of the Kerala Jalras with statistical data, if possible.

Chandruji,

Answers to your questions which reveal your ignorance of the ground reality:

Let me say this first. I am a Tamil. I was born in a village in the remote south in Tirunelveli District, studied in Tirunelveli District upto my graduation and only then moved out. For a long time-until I was 26 years old to be precise-the languages I knew were just Tamil and English. Today I know Tamil and Malayalam very well (I can read, write and speak these two languages and enjoy the nuances of a beautiful kavithai in these two languages and can write a kavithai fully meeting the grammatic requirements of the rules of grammar in Tamil). I can read, write and speak Hindi. I can understand Marathi well. I have lived in Tamilnadu, Kerala, Mumbai and Gujarat for extended periods. Now I live in Tamilnadu. So when I speak about people of different states, it comes from my experience with these people and not from hearsay.

Now the answers to your questions (I have given numbers to your questions for ease of reference):

1. Yes. Tamils are working in Kerala in Private and Public enterprises just as they work in other states. My relatives have worked and retired from private and public enterprises in Kerala. In fact one relative is a retired IAS officer who retired from Kerala Govt. services and another is top level engineer in Kerala State Electricity Board. You appear to be ignorant of facts.

2. Yes. In fact my wife owns property in Kerala in a prime location and we have absolutely no problem as owners. You are again ignorant of facts.

3. Are we living in India or Syria? Where do you live? Can you tell me the case of a single carnatic musician who wanted to buy property in Kerala's best location and was barred from doing that because of his being a Tamil? I can from my memory tell you the name of atleast one Carnatic musician who and whose relatives own property without any problem in Tiruvananthapuram. His name is Nellai Krishnamurthi. You may check up through your sources as to the veracity of my this statement.

4. Tamils do not find the politics very remunerative in Kerala like it is in Tamilnadu. So perhaps they have carefully avoided it.

5. Yes. They do. Please check up your sources again. You are totally ignorant.

6. Palghat brahmins live happily in Kerala. And they live happily wherever they go whether it is Mumbai or Silicon valley. You are ignorant in this too.

Please go and brush up your memory by reading newspapers regularly. Don't forget to remove your prejudices before reading the news papers as those prejudices will make you read only selectively. LOL.

 

[auh]

I personally disagree with Mr. Katju's opinion.

Former Supreme Court judge Justice Markandeya Katju's blog 'Who are the real Indians' has become a roaring hit in Malayalam dailies and gone viral on social media. In his lengthy blog, Katju, also former chairman of the Press Council of India, says he regards "Kerala as the real India because it represents a microcosm of India." Noting that ancestors of perhaps 95% people in India today came from abroad and the original inhabitants are pre-Dravidian tribals known as Scheduled Tribes, he said, "So to live united and in harmony we must respect every group of people."

"In my opinion the Keralites do this the best and therefore they are symbolic and represent the whole of India. So they are the real Indians and all of us must try to emulate them and imbibe their spirit. I regard Kerala as the real India because it represents a microcosm of India....As I said, India is broadly a country of immigrants. The essential quality of Kerala is its openness to external influence - Dravidians, Aryans, Romans, Arabs, British, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Marxists, etc," he said.
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...-katju-writes-blog-praising-malayalis-2244169

As usual Mr. Katju has given a lopsided opinion based on selective inferences. From where does he get the idea that Keralites are the topmost in respecting every group of people?

Every state has its prejudices. Kerala has an uneasy balance because the three major religions are roughly equal in strength. Of course, it is history that it was Kerala who wanted a Caliphate first - the mappilai riots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion).

Generally, Keralites have a strong sense of bonding with their land - their priorities go thus : self-interest > same religion > same area > others. IMO. There is an oft repeated joke in tamil circles that "a malayalee would laugh and joke with you, all the while digging a hole under your feet."

Yes, these are all but generalizations. And there are good people everywhere.

 

[auh]

Only keralites are very clan minded.

They bond with each other to keep others out.

Recruit one malayali in an organisation at senior level , he will flood the place with malayalees.

This is so very true !!!

Only tamils cut each others throat everywhere.

TBs are the worst.

Tamils are worse than any other group I have known so far. Lots of ego clashes...

 

[krish44]

Don't take anyting personally...

Don't try to give certificate to whom you don't know much

And we all see her only as a nice member of this Forum ...

May be patients see her as a Doctor.

May be you need to see her as a patient.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Well, I am sorry for ignoring the recommendations of a cronic patient.

 

[prasad1]

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Why take yourself so seriously. You do not have to comment on every post. You may not be so important to others as you think of yourself. Give it a break.

We all have partial Knowledge, otherwise we will be a GYANI.
There is no need to put down others. Sometimes the pen is mightier than the sword. So no need to be cruel.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

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Why take yourself so seriously. You do not have to comment on every post. You may not be so important to others as you think of yourself. Give it a break.

We all have partial Knowledge, otherwise we will be a GYANI.
There is no need to put down others. Sometimes the pen is mightier than the sword. So need to be cruel.

For the kind attention of 'Indraprastha' member.

 

[renuka]

When I was in India each time we got an external examiner who was from Kerala we knew they could be slightly biased becos before the Viva Voce exam we would be asked if we are Malayali!

No other state external examiner asks us our community.

It felt very unprofessional...I was even asked once by a Malayali female external examiner..if I was Malayali..I said No..I am not..I am Tamilian and she asked me "then why do you have a Malayali name?"

I was thinking..."hey this is getting too much...does not matter if she cuts my marks....I am going to teach her some facts"

Then I said "Maam..Renuka is a Sanskrit name"

She didnt say a word.

She was being so biased..being partial to Malayali students..she even spoke in Malayalam to them during exam.

That way the examiners from other states of India never did that...none of the Kannadas or Tamilians or Telegus asked us what community we belonged too.

Not that I have anything against Malayalis but out here where I live they make it very clear even in local newspapers that Diwali means nothing to them.

We know they have their own culture and so does everyone else but they do not have to make it so blatant to show that they are different from rest of India.

An Indian Muslim does not go around saying that Diwali means nothing to them cos they are Muslim..he just talks about Eid.

Likewise one can talk about Onam without the need to compare and contrast with Diwali and reject it.

They only glorify Onam and do not really have an All India thinking.

The only thing we have to learn from a Keralite is they can set aside all caste differences and even religious differences to come under one Malayali banner.

That way I call them "Banner Ji's" cos they can come under one Banner!LOL


I have to disagree with the thread..that they are the true Indians....

All I can say is mostly Tamilians are the Illichavaiyans who are accepting and loving if people respect them.

Note: When I used the word Tamilian..I was not targeting any specific community. I myself am a Tamilian.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Tamils are worse than any other group I have known so far. Lots of ego clashes...

Is this called selective amnesia?

Members conveniently forget the background of Coimbatore Bomb blast or the Mumbai bomb blast.

Of course, member who belongs to Coimbatore District cannot forget this bomb blast which killed 58 people and injured nearly 200.

Who are worst now....???

 

[auh]

Is this called selective amnesia?

Members conveniently forget the background of Coimbatore Bomb blast or the Mumbai bomb blast.

Of course, member who belongs to Coimbatore District cannot forget this bomb blast which killed 58 people and injured nearly 200.

Who are worst now....???

What are you trying to convey here? My statement was in context to the nature of the quoted post. As a group tamils are not so cohesive outside their land, as in the case of the malayalees, gujarathis, rajasthanis, bengalis etc.

Can you kindly explain what is it that amounts to selective amnesia given my explanation?

 

[CHANDRU1849]

I am unable to reply Mr Vaagmi's statement due to some internal error.

My reply is as follows:

Normally people who are pro-left are used to speak high of Kerala. The bogus rationalist actor Kamal Hassan once did that.


Since your statement is vague, it doesn’t contain real substance.

While lakhs and lakhs of Keralites are living happily in Tamil Nadu with residential status, running tea stalls to industries, it is not known how many Tamilians are living in Kerala – at least 50%. Is there any Tamilian running an industrial house in Kerala like MRF?

If Tamil Nadu is like Syria, there won’t be lakhs of Keralites and Telugus living here. You will have to confirm Kerala is not Syria.

Regarding Carnatic Musicians, you have equated Mr Nellai Krishnamurthy with some of the very leading musicians who migrated from Palghat in their earlier years and became very popular because of their presence in TN – MDR, Palghat Mani Iyer, KVN, Chembai, TN Krishnan, MSG, tv Gopalakrishnan etc. I have not come across any leading Carnatic Musician from Tamil Nadu migrated to Kerala after attaining popularity – Maharajapuram, Umayalpuram, Semmangudi, Madurai,Thiruvalangadu, Ariyakudi etc. How far Nellai Krishnamurthy is popular in Kerala is not known.

Are Kerala Politicians corruption-free and and politics is non-remunerative? You may laugh at your own statement.

If Kerala Govt. declares holiday for a Tamil festival, it is good. You are not specific on this.

If Palghat Bs are not moving, and are actually thriving, why are Musicians and film personalities from Palghat are staying permanently in Tamil Nadu, let alone Chennai.

Please don’t give vague statement and try to be specific.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

And there are good people everywhere.

I agree with this.