Legalising lgbt is blasphemy of hinduism

[prasad1]

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Most light that we use — like sunlight or light from a light bulb — is actually a mixture of all of the visible light wavelengths. It is called white light. When it is mixed, it is difficult for us to separate the colors out. We just see it as useful light. But at certain times the light does get separated out.The visible spectrum of light is often mixed together in what is called white light.
We do not see each of the colors when they're mixed together. In order for that to happen, something must separate the wavelengths into their various colors. This can happen in a rainbow.

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Prasad,

We are not arguing whether someone who is more LGBT is better or worse than someone who is less LGBT. There is only a yes or no decision in whether you support LGBT or not and it is not what percentage you support. It is taking a position. Your analogy of shades of gray or rainbow is misplaced here.

 

[prasad1]

Ok let us have it your way.
Do you support humanity? Yes or no.
Do you think LGBTQ are human beings? Yes or No.
If someone near and dear to you declare themselves as LGBTQ, will you disown them? Yes or no.
Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no.


Life situations are not binary answers. Our answer can change over a period of time.
Then again there is no universal Truth (satyam) other than Brahman, everything else is unreal.

Brahman Satyam, Jagat Mithyä

 

[vijiseeni]

Sexual expression with a loving relationship is encouraged in Hinduism because it is not expression of lust, but expression of love and devotion to each others ' happiness.Threfore, is it not permissible that loving relationship( in other words marriage) , is also to be allowed?So homo sexuals should be allowed to marry.
In Baghavatam, , Brahma created group of demons that were obsessed with sex and demanded sex from him.But Brahma got freightened and ran away from them (chap 20, text 23, 24)
What about Hindu gods connected with gender diversity such as Ardhanateeswara, Aravan, Ayappa,cross dressing gods such as Bhavati Devi, Gadadhara,Gangsmma Devi ,Yellma Devi etc. etc
Why the system was promoted through rituals and festivals such as Aravan festival, Bhahucara matha festival of Gujarat, Yellamma Devi festy of Karnataka,
Though it is not officially recognised in Hinduism, it recognised those people, who showed signs of both sexes
Why, in Radha Krishna cult , is it not telling that only Krishna is man and everyone in the earth is a woman?
What about homo sexual iconography found in Hindu temples, carvings and paintings
Kama sutra vividly describes and covers this field.(preferably 8 & 9 chapters)
Rigveda says" Vikruthi Evam Prakriti" ( diversity is what nature all about) but stops short of elaborate description.
Homo sexuality is said to have existed since dawn of creation .There is no cut right condemnation of homo sexuality Hence it seems the sutras seem to support that homo sexuality was acceptable in ancient times also.
However it is a complex issue , as a human being they have right to exist and use their fundamental right which has been upheld in Supreme court of India

 

[sravna]

Ok let us have it your way.
Do you support humanity? Yes or no.
Do you think LGBTQ are human beings? Yes or No.
If someone near and dear to you declare themselves as LGBTQ, will you disown them? Yes or no.
Did you stop beating your wife? Yes or no.

Dear Shri Prasad,

That is what I also said. Finally it is always a yes or a no. Some may require a greater depth of details to answer than others. But there is always a clear cut and an absolute answer.

I will not disown a dear one if LGBT but try to correct them because when dealt the right way, all humans begin to see reason. Even a biological urge can be changed by the right mental attitude.

 

[sravna]

Ok let us have it your way.
Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no.

Dear Shri Prasad,

This oft quoted example against Yes or No answer has fallacious logic. You are seeing things in isolation. To answer this question requires context. It is just that you wanted to have your way and disposed off all the context.

 

[sravna]

Dear Folks,

The curse of the world is that, it is following the western system and logic which is so narrow in scope and lacking in depth. India has to resort to its thinking methods and not ape the western systems, to forge ahead.

 

[sravna]

those who want to promote the western system sometimes resort to funny logic citing that ancient India did the same thing without understanding it is that very ancient India's values they keep vociferously attacking.

 

[sravna]

Folks,

Let us get it straight once and for all. These western guys have created enough havoc in the world and pushing it fast to the brink. For heaven's sake there is nothing special about their systems or their talents. But they have capitalized well on the weaknesses of the rest and are reaping the benefits. Let us become awake to this fact and not be fooled any longer by their shallow but enticing words or by their muscle.

Let us not allow others to thrive on our weakness. A good defence is the best approach against such guys and a bit of offence in their own style when they rear their head. These guys will most definitely crumble when their offence fails because they have such a poor real defence system.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Prasad,

That is what I also said. Finally it is always a yes or a no. Some may require a greater depth of details to answer than others. But there is always a clear cut and an absolute answer.

I will not disown a dear one if LGBT but try to correct them because when dealt the right way, all humans begin to see reason. Even a biological urge can be changed by the right mental attitude.

Dear Sravna...
Someone else might see your " spirituality" as not within.the expected spectrum cos very few like you around just like LGBT..they are a minority....since you feel they need correction..would it be wrong to think that you too might need correction?

 

[renuka]

Dear Folks,

The curse of the world is that, it is following the western system and logic which is so narrow in scope and lacking in depth. India has to resort to its thinking methods and not ape the western systems, to forge ahead.

Sravna...LGBT is not a western phenomenon only.

 

[renuka]

Folks,

Let us get it straight once and for all. These western guys have created enough havoc in the world and pushing it fast to the brink. For heaven's sake there is nothing special about their systems or their talents. But they have capitalized well on the weaknesses of the rest and are reaping the benefits. Let us become awake to this fact and not be fooled any longer by their shallow but enticing words or by their muscle.

Let us not allow others to thrive on our weakness. A good defence is the best approach against such guys and a bit of offence in their own style when they rear their head. These guys will most definitely crumble when their offence fails because they have such a poor real defence system.

Sorry...I can see humans as east and west or north or south..every human race has its rightful place and rightful contribution to the world even if i might not agree with everyone and everything.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

just to clear any possible misunderstandings about attitude of normal humans towards lgbtqs, the individuals who are possessed with the lgbtq instinct are not condemned here nor is their right to live or co-exist with other normal humans denied.

it is the lgbtq instinct in them which is condemned and considered a perversion, an abnormality and a psychiatric condition warranting therapy.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Sravna...LGBT is not a western phenomenon only.

agreed. but decriminalizing/legalising LGBT is.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Sorry...I can see humans as east and west or north or south..every human race has its rightful place and rightful contribution to the world even if i might not agree with everyone and everything.

what rightful contribution would decriminalizing lgbtq make to human beings madam?

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Dear Folks,

The curse of the world is that, it is following the western system and logic which is so narrow in scope and lacking in depth. India has to resort to its thinking methods and not ape the western systems, to forge ahead.

this has been the weakness with indians for many decades sir, aping the west especially americans in almost everything.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Folks,

Let us get it straight once and for all. These western guys have created enough havoc in the world and pushing it fast to the brink. For heaven's sake there is nothing special about their systems or their talents. But they have capitalized well on the weaknesses of the rest and are reaping the benefits. Let us become awake to this fact and not be fooled any longer by their shallow but enticing words or by their muscle.

Let us not allow others to thrive on our weakness. A good defence is the best approach against such guys and a bit of offence in their own style when they rear their head. These guys will most definitely crumble when their offence fails because they have such a poor real defence system.

well said sir!

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

see I knew it! If I mention Porn..somehow I get the Truth out...that is "Porn is a vice but not a psychological disorder"!LOL...its becos everyone has seen it.
Finally its just our own perceptions and perceptions..if it suits us its normal..if it doesnt suit us its abnormal..totally unfair.

Ok coming to God...

lets see...Hindu Gods mostly have female partners...so they seem mostly straight.
Some have an unknown side..eg Vishnu and Shiva did combine and make Hari Hara...so no idea what were their feelings.

Next is Abrahamic concept of God.

Jewish --- God - There is the concept of Shekinah in Kabbalah school of thought..Shekinah is Feminine its like Prakirti in Hinduism where its a projection of God's own power.

Christian ---God..had a son but yet claims immaculate conception.

Islam --Allah has no partners. Only Allah is truly unwed.

do you mean to say, whoever criminalized lgbtq and drafted article 377, did not perceive right?

what could have possible been their 'perceptions and perceptions' which made them draft that article?

as per the myth, vishnu changed himself to a woman, seduced shiva and begot harihara. shiva was not gay in this regard.

 

[GNANA SUNYAM]

Not Madam .. (A while ago my family used this login but lost interest in the forum quickly). Mr is fine.

It is a defect in our thinking to divide people in terms of normal and abnormal. Everything is nature is normal. If someone causes harm to others (bestiality, pedophile) that has to be stopped by the rest of the society.

Please understand this - LGBTQ people who are right now living as your friends and relatives (you just do not know) are not harming you. People who are paranoid about this LGBTQ may have deep issues about their own identity and orientation. Let us live and let live. Someone can say your kind of thinking is abnormal and recommend psychiatry. Will that be right? Just think about it.

There may or may not be a creator depending on your beliefs. But that creator did create LGBTQ, so respect them which is like respecting the creator.

America has thinking and compassionate people despite a huge voting blocks of (hate mongering) Christian Evangelicals. They were dead against gays using arguments like what you are putting forth (normal/abnormal, creator's desire etc). It took a lot of battles to decriminalize and even allow domestic partnership recognized by law.

These Christian evangelicals created non-issues into issues by denying little Transgender boys and girls to use the bathroom in schools of their chosen gender. The suicide rates among transgenders is the highest.

A sizeable number of catholic priests are pedophiles. The Church of the Vatican has been covering up for years. Overall the religion has done harm to the world by these practices.

Many are born Christians but their compassion overcame their beliefs of hatred. In USA alone they had this idea 'all men are created equal' and yet they practiced slavery for a very long time.

Look at the actions of 'true' Christians and word of the Church or pope to know where they stand on such issues.

why are christian evangelicals dead against lgbtq?

who are the 'true' christians?

what is the stand of pope/roman catholics/church on this issue?

if christian doctrine is anti-lgbtq, could you please confirm with evidence from their scriptures?

 

[prasad1]

Indian Judicial system has spoken, and they have taken into consideration the worldview.
There are some people with "frog in a dying pond" who will not go along to bigger and better pond. That game is played out.

[FONT=&quot]Tadpoles have a remarkable facility of changing very rapidly into tiny adult frogs when they sense the pond is drying out.
But some humans have difficulty adjusting to the changing world.[/FONT]

 

[prasad1]

The people bemoaning the "western" culture are writing in I suppose native (English) language.

 

[prasad1]

do you mean to say, whoever criminalized lgbtq and drafted article 377, did not perceive right?

A five-judge bench at the country’s highest court ruled that a 160-year-old law banning sex “against the order of nature” amounted to discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation and was unconstitutional.

160 years ago it was the British Raj.

The idea that homosexuality is ‘western’ is based on another western import – Christianity.
On the other end of the spectrum, several countries impose the death penalty for homosexual acts, per the application of some interpretations of Shari'a law. As of 2015, these include Afghanistan, Brunei, Mauritania, Sudan, Iran, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates, Yemen and northern Nigeria.

 

[prasad1]

Homosexuality: legal status around the world

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/06/indian-supreme-court-decriminalises-homosexuality


[FONT=&quot]The decision legalises behaviour that many Indians say was accepted in their culture before the imposition of conservative Victorian mores during the British imperial era. The anti-sodomy law was imposed in the Indian colony as part of a raft of laws against public vice and immorality instituted across the British empire.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“I’m elated,” said Harish Iyer, a veteran gay activist and writer. “We have thrown out the British once again.”[/FONT]

India is in good company.

 

[renuka]

Hey guys...ever wondered why some males are so homophobic?

At times it could be a DENIAL.

See..if we are sure of ourselves...another persons sexual orientation wont matter to us.

For eg I am female....I am not Lesbianphobic at all..cos i understand she is wired different from me.

Sometimes those who are gay themselves but forced to be straight..hate themselves so much that they turn homophobic...if anyone here had such issues ..you can always seek help or just break free and do a Bint E Dil and express your love like Kafur and Khilji.


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[renuka]

The people bemoaning the "western" culture are writing in I suppose native (English) language.

Aam..te English eva likhanti..vadanti ca..parantu ulta pulta bhasyam dadati!

Yes..they verily write and speak in English but give ult pulta commentaries.