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Enough is enough, we've suffered, and still suffering enough ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins.. and Iyers and Saivites are heading to oblivion. Like a Rajasthan minister said, give each Saivite Brahmin an ax and weapons like Ravana had..

Time for us to reclaim our rights and prevent extinction by looking back at our violent but righteous ancestors without whom we wouldn't have been alive. Merely singing karnatic music and meekly surrendering will obliterate our race forever.

Or atleast master the Atharvana Veda and get even with our enemies.
 
we have come across this type of posting before. usually these are fraudsters posing as 'brahmins' provoking the good folks here to some naughty words!

let me see how many fall for your tricks :)

if by 'merely singing we obiliterate our race forever' .. where did you get hold of that? if you really care for the 'race' as you term it, go find wives for the bachelors. bet you cant do that!
 
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For your kind information, I'm a practising brahmin, will send videos if you wish. It is people like you living in sanitized foreign bubbles with your kids, and sending grandkids to kacheris and Bala Vihar classes who are responsible for the imminent extinction of Iyers. Merely showing Amar Chitra Katha to ur grandchildren and eating tiffin after visiting a suburban temple won't save our race.

You won't give your daughters to Brahmin bachelors in India, you'd much rather they marry whites or other north Indians.. the bachelors in India are too poor to find good girls.. fault lies with you hypocrites.. have the guts to live in India and improve our lot if you really care about our community..


we have come across this type of posting before. usually these are fraudsters posing as 'brahmins' provoking the good folks here to some naughty words!

let me see how many fall for your tricks :)

if by 'merely singing we obiliterate our race forever' .. where did you get hold of that? if you really care for the 'race' as you term it, go find wives for the bachelors. bet you cant do that!
 
For your kind information, I'm a practising brahmin, will send videos if you wish. It is people like you living in sanitized foreign bubbles with your kids, and sending grandkids to kacheris and Bala Vihar classes who are responsible for the imminent extinction of Iyers. Merely showing Amar Chitra Katha to ur grandchildren and eating tiffin after visiting a suburban temple won't save our race.

You won't give your daughters to Brahmin bachelors in India, you'd much rather they marry whites or other north Indians.. the bachelors in India are too poor to find good girls.. fault lies with you hypocrites.. have the guts to live in India and improve our lot if you really care about our community..

let us say what you say is true ashwin. atleast we do what we believe in, and do not go around with a 'holier than thou' attitude like what you preach here.

maybe you should set a good example yourself of humility and knowledge. the sign of true wisdom, is not to scream out from the roof tops, for that is the job of empty vessels. many of your fundamental beliefs would not hold water under closer inspection re humaneness, dignity and above all accommodation for the multiplicity that is india.

from where did you get the idea that india belongs to you or just to brahmins, and your entitlements have been taken away. if you feel so strongly, go out with a knife or sword, and try to frighten a few NB (but dont touch other religions if you want to value your life). maybe you will get beatnen up and that might put some good sense into you.

good luck to your campaign, but not here. you should be in the streets of mylapore or triplicane, but even in those places, choose your streets carefully :)

btw ash, i dont intend to provoke you. if you are 100% bona fide, you might want to get verified with some of our orthodox members here, for i have been here long enough, to seen fraudsters cheats scam-artists and conmen coming out of the blue, make some statements to get some of the gullible good folks here to start getting agitated. many of them have weak hearts and we dont want them to succumb due to goebellian tactics :)
 
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I never said India belongs to only brahmins. I say brahmins must reclaim their rightful place in society, even through violence if need be.

FYI, most states in india demand Brahmin students to get above 95% grades to have a shy at a good college. NBs merely have to write the exam, or sometimes merely get a passing grade. This shows how far removed you are from reality.

let us say what you say is true ashwin. atleast we do what we believe in, and do not go around with a 'holier than thou' attitude like what you preach here.

maybe you should set a good example yourself of humility and knowledge. the sign of true wisdom, is not to scream out from the roof tops, for that is the job of empty vessels. many of your fundamental beliefs would not hold water under closer inspection re humaneness, dignity and above all accommodation for the multiplicity that is india.

from where did you get the idea that india belongs to you or just to brahmins, and your entitlements have been taken away. if you feel so strongly, go out with a knife or sword, and try to frighten a few NB (but dont touch other religions if you want to value your life). maybe you will get beatnen up and that might put some good sense into you.

good luck to your campaign, but not here. you should be in the streets of mylapore or triplicane, but even in those places, choose your streets carefully :)
 
Mr. Ashwin,
What do you propose we do?
We can raise fund to buy the "ax", then what?
No body stopped you from mastering any veda? but then what do we do?
Talk is cheap, show us some leadership.
And what do we do with Vaishnav Brahmins, do they participate with their Chakra?:confused::wacko:
 
Hi Ash,

You are raising a valid point....We have discussed this several times before.

1. The so called danger is mostly internal...Let us put the house in order before seeking external help

2. Brahmin girls are running amok & getting into wedlock with NB's....Even in so called traditional localities of Chennai this is happening exponentially...

3. The parents of the girl are forced wily nily to accept such marriages for so called well being of their daughters

4. The boys who are mostly loyal to parents are forced to spend a forced bachelor hood...The count is going by the day

5. Many TB families who earlier used to say that "Idhu namathula nadakadhu" are now forced to eat humble pie...I could see palpable tension among orthodox parents with adult girls

6. It is catch 22 situation as they want their girls to be well educated, well employed & at the same time they would like them to marry a person of their choice

7. As long as self realisation does not happen all this is of no use...The TB community is going down the drain, nonetheless they care the least! By crying hoarse about it from lofty pedestals are we going to gain anything...I agree with Prasad that leadership is required & each individual needs to feel that he is responsible for it

6. As long as each one of us is having a myopic vision we cannot move forward...Let us educate, create awareness and emancipate
 
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hi
i feel lack of leadership and unity...i like the haryana khap jatt....very strong valor and powerful political back ground....they

are now shaking the govt laws and advising the supreme court abt some community requirements...in our case....WE ARE

MORE INDIVIDUALS THAN AS COMMUNITY....sorry to say....வாய் பேச்சில் வீரர்கள்....but im not discouraging....

CHANGE IS INEVITABLE...CHANGE IS IN THE YOUNGER GENERATION....
 
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Perfect example of "nee aval konduva, nan umi konduvaren, irandu perum udi udi sappidalam!"; taking advantage of the

Attack the poster is the weapon of desperadoes.

Perhaps a one liner "I care a hoot whether brahmins and their traditions survive or not" would have made the intentions clear.

if by 'merely singing we obiliterate our race forever' .. where did you get hold of that? if you really care for the 'race' as you term it, go find wives for the bachelors. bet you cant do that!
 
Enough is enough, we've suffered, and still suffering enough ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins.. and Iyers and Saivites are heading to oblivion. Like a Rajasthan minister said, give each Saivite Brahmin an ax and weapons like Ravana had..

Time for us to reclaim our rights and prevent extinction by looking back at our violent but righteous ancestors without whom we wouldn't have been alive. Merely singing karnatic music and meekly surrendering will obliterate our race forever.

Or atleast master the Atharvana Veda and get even with our enemies.

I think India with all its diverse groups should try to benefit from the diversity. We need to set aside the parochial interests.

India has a huge potential to be a real world leader. I am saying this because Indians have a tradition that is unique which gives them enormous advantage in generating unique perspectives on any problem.

Brahmins if they start again to really repose faith in their own culture would be greatly helping the country in making a big progress. Our focus should be on the world stage and not be parochial. If we do that, the rest will fall in place.
 
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Ashwin, interestingly, has spoken exclusively about iyers only. He has chosen to leave out Aiyengars perhaps thinking that they are not brahmins or that they belong to the super brahmins category. As I have no suchconstraints I am contributing to the discussion here:

Practically we can start doing this:
1. Let us create an informal circuit of brahmins in powerful positions. When we have to select a person for employment or select a vendor for a list of suppliers to our organization let us select a brahmin for this if there is a brahmin competing with others. Other things being equal if there is a brahmin in the fray let us add a tulsi dal on the side of the brahmin. Other castes have more than enough back up from commu nities and Governments and this tulsi dal should not disturb our conscience either. Moreover we select a brahmin only when we come across the situation in which he is equally good as other options. Are we ready for this? I keep doing this.

2. This I have suggested earlier. We can organize classes in our temples (temples controlled by brahmins) classes for our girls and boys in the marriable age like the syrian christians of Kerala. We can tell the children what a great heritage/culture/sampradhayam is theirs and why they should not marry from other communities. Are we ready for this? I am doing this in a limited way already.

As people like Kunjuppu would like us to believe, being cosmopolitan and matured in outlook is not equal to being anti-brahmin. Being successful from among a crowd need not be by losing one's identity. Getting the good will of the communities in a society and living with dignity and friendship does not require you to give up your cultural values and do whatever others do just for the sake of earning the brownie point of recognition and acceptance into their inner circles. That admission into inside will not lost long and you may be thrown out any time.

I have listed only two points to see how people react. I have other bigger ideas too. May be later.

Cheers.
 
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Enough is enough, we've suffered, and still suffering enough ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins.. and Iyers and Saivites are heading to oblivion. Like a Rajasthan minister said, give each Saivite Brahmin an ax and weapons like Ravana had..

Time for us to reclaim our rights and prevent extinction by looking back at our violent but righteous ancestors without whom we wouldn't have been alive. Merely singing karnatic music and meekly surrendering will obliterate our race forever.

Or atleast master the Atharvana Veda and get even with our enemies.

Greetings.

I like to express my views as just an ordinary person, please.

Any culture that refuses to adapt to changes may face extinction. Violence and righteous is an oxymoron.

Yes, as a community, Brahmins have a distinct culture, food habits etc. I try to cherish as many plus points as I could from Iyengars habits. But, am I one? Nobody would believe if I said I grew up in one such a homestead.

The most important values I cherish is honesty, truthful, outspoken and courage. Do I have to belong to any particular community for that? Not really. Have I made mistakes in life? Many times, I suppose!

But for all my misgivings, I don't think any of the values I managed to follow would not be lost by our children.

That I think is passing on any cultural values I cherished to our children. That way, I don't think it would become extinct.

Cheers!
 
I think a decadent society will ultimately need the wisdom of wise men. But it is also the responsibility of the wise men not to let the society fall into decadency. It is just like for the good of the child, the parent forces it to do certain things. This society needs to be disciplined. From that perspective, Shri. Raju's post makes perfect sense. You need some life back in a rotting system. So indeed brahmins who are in powerful positions should encourage honest and tough people who can contribute to stopping the rot.

And we can talk about the great culture not only to the brahmin youth but to all other groups also.
 
I think a decadent society will ultimately need the wisdom of wise men. But it is also the responsibility of the wise men not to let the society fall into decadency. It is just like for the good of the child, the parent forces it to do certain things. This society needs to be disciplined. From that perspective, Shri. Raju's post makes perfect sense. You need some life back in a rotting system. So indeed brahmins who are in powerful positions should encourage honest and tough people who can contribute to stopping the rot.

And we can talk about the great culture not only to the brahmin youth but to all other groups also.

A disciplined approach is required to stem the rot..I earlier talked about developing some sort of Pledge that would be signed by our adolescent children

Instilling awareness and pride in our community culture and traditions is another dark area that requires a lot of rejuvenation
 
Hi Ashwin:

How were our ancestors "violent?" I thought we Indians were in general very peace-loving. Not like the Huns, Goths and Mongols! :behindsofa: Or maybe I'm missing something or don't know something about our "violent" past?
 
Greetings.

I like to express my views as just an ordinary person, please.
Any culture that refuses to adapt to changes may face extinction. Violence and righteous is an oxymoron.
Yes, as a community, Brahmins have a distinct culture, food habits etc. I try to cherish as many plus points as I could from Iyengars habits. But, am I one? Nobody would believe if I said I grew up in one such a homestead.

The most important values I cherish is honesty, truthful, outspoken and courage. Do I have to belong to any particular community for that? Not really. Have I made mistakes in life? Many times, I suppose!
But for all my misgivings, I don't think any of the values I managed to follow would not be lost by our children.
That I think is passing on any cultural values I cherished to our children. That way, I don't think it would become extinct.

Cheers!

Dear Raghy,

I like your post. You have given your view pretty well in a succint manner without shouting from rooftop that the OP is a fraudster, trickster etc.

The OP alludes to using violence as a means of reclaiming lost rights. Many people, such as yourself, do not consider it righteous and even if people think otherwise, I think many will not support it because it is impractical and can have the exact opposite effect.

I think the problem with the OP is that he has made a pretty generic statement about brahmins losing their rights and becoming extinct. It would have helped his cause if he were more specific. The post as is, with reference to race and culture, it looks like he is lamenting loss of "brahmin" values and your response is apt to that extent.

However, if OP were to talk about "secular" rights, then his anguish can be easily understood by anyone living in India, especially if that person is a keen follower of Indian politics. It is a fact that people belonging to forward communities (all brahmins are classified thus) are being squeezed at every opportunity available to them to get out of the hell-hole into which this country is descending.

The values that you talk about "honesty", "truthfulness", etc are actually being tossed out even in the matter of getting your children admitted to kindergarden.

Please go through the following news items:
Karnataka: Families forge income certificates, RTE scam flourishes
RTE mess: Middlemen reap benefits
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/9418-cry-beloved-country.html

If you were a poor or middle class brahmin living in India (states like TN in particular), getting your children admitted to a good primary school might soon happen only in your dreams.

These are facts. Yet, one is not able to write it here without being characterized as a whining, breast-beating, cribbing loser. The ironical thing is that people who characterize you thus have used the very same avenues, which are being closed to the present generation in an alarming rate, to escape this discrimination. This hypocrisy is vexing.

Given the increasing discrimination meted out by the government, a community will have no choice but to organize for its own selfish interests. I have written many times that the discriminatory laws and acts of the governemnt, in the name of inclusiveness, will not reduce sectarianism but only increase it.

You have written that to uphold the values you cherish, you do not have to belong to a community. It is this freedom, which you enjoy, that is being usurped from many people in India. You have to remain communal if you intend to retain both your rights and values!
 
Dear Sri. Kaala Bairavan, Greetings.

I love your message in post #14. I was a poor to lower middle class person at one stage in my life. Yes, our only son's ( only child at that time) was a kind of dream for me. Most of the things our family take for granted today were not just beyond reach, but beyond our imagination.

Personally while not supporting the OP verbatim, I do understand the anguish expressed in that message. You may or may not have met Ashwins of Brahmin community in person but I have. I met one such gentleman even last month. I fully supported his views since he expressed the very same message as in the OP from an 'inclusive point of view' than in an 'exclusive point of view'. To be more specific, he did not go on a B / NB divide. He had his feet firmly placed on the ground.

Every community has to be selfish to survive. There is nothing wrong with that. Matter of fact, due to all the 'revenge policies' meted out to Brahmin Community, those who come through inspite of the revenge policies are much more stronger than ever before. I admit, I was not that strong and used my opportunity to go overseas.

I do understand the complexity of the issues faced by the community. My solutions I followed for our family is kind of very different. But still, we follow survival instinct.

Lastly, I have nothing against any community and would support any community for any good causes.

Cheers!
 
hi raghy sir,
i cam from a poor middle class familly.....even though my grand father was land owner....my family survived with one time food...

i want to survive ...so i never thought as community in my child hood....i want get rid of my poverty.....so every individual

is to survival....suvival is the fittest...
 
Mr. Ashwin,
What rights have been abrogated?

Against whom are we going to use our AX. Shiva is not killing people He is killing the ignorance.
You seem to have a perception problem.
 
Enough is enough, we've suffered, and still suffering enough ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins.. and Iyers and Saivites are

heading to oblivion. Like a Rajasthan minister said, give each Saivite Brahmin an ax and weapons like Ravana had..

Time for us to reclaim our rights and prevent extinction by looking back at our violent but righteous ancestors without whom we wouldn't have been alive.

Merely singing karnatic music and meekly surrendering will obliterate our race forever.

Or atleast master the Atharvana Veda and get even with our enemies.

Dear Shri Ashwin_ash,

I do not know what you mean when you say "our rights"; have we been deprived of any rights?

Secondly, what are the circumstances which make you conclude that "Iyers and Saivites are heading to oblivion" apparently because of "ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins"?

If you have not just decided to withdraw after posting such a RDX-like OP, kindly elaborate.

I personally have a different set of ideas and beliefs about brAhmins and their past in India, but it has been the majority view here in this forum (and this has been iterated again and again, on many occasions, I remember) that brAhmins had been a sAtvik community for almost all its existence and that the brAhmins had been used by the powerful kshatriya and vaisya communities to write out scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras and so on and so forth in such a way that these three (brAhmin, kshatriya and vaisya) castes would enjoy supremacy over the rest of the population of bhAratavarsha. As a small concession, the brAhmins had been permitted to give unto themselves a nominal superiority in all such scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras, etc.

Our history possibly confirms the above view. I have the instance of the "Darshaneeya" brAhmins who made it a religious routine, during the reign of Akbar not to eat their noon meals unless they had a "darshan" of the emperor in his palace balcony. In addition they reportedly believed that such darshan had mystic and religious results and one's wishes would get fulfilled. I am sure even today some north indian brAhmins of this
darshaneeya lineage are there, but whether they now accept this historical fact is not known to me. Of course, there must have been people of other (higher) castes also who observed similar routine during those times, but the fact to be noted is that brAhmins by themselves could not go against this and had to fall in line with the rest.

Going back to our mythology, the first brAhmin to have taken up the axe against the high caste non-brAhmins (kshatriyas) and probably the personality who impelled you write this OP also, was ParasurAma. Though he is believed to be an avatAra of vishnu and was invincible, so to say, yet you find that our ancient history itself shows that this ParasurAma was humbled by a kshatriya, rAma. This shows, once again, that even a brAhman avatAra could not stand up to a kshatriya avatAra. Again, ParasurAma could not win his battle with Bheeshma and even the gods and rucheeka came and said that a brAhmin fighting could not win against a great kshatriya like bheeshma.

Till the beginning of the 20th. century or so, the tabras it seems, had generally been not affluent and many of them lived below subsistence levels. Only for a very brief period (from the time Macaulay's English education system -1835- was enthusiastically embraced by tabras and British Government jobs came within their reach, till the Independence and the implementation of the reservation system) did we tabras enjoy a "golden period" and that too was not as any "right" but due to the favour granted by the British. In the 19th. century Tanjore also, poor brAhmins who had no other means of livelihood, used to go sit in some spot in the Temple prAkAram and start recounting stories from purANAs or itihAsas along with songs (carnatic music, interestingly!) crafted by themselves or by other well-known harikathA exponents; people used to put some cash in the brass plate kept before such entrepreneurs and they used such meagre income to sustain themselves and their families.

It should thus be clear to you and other readers that we brAhmins (especially Tamil Brahmins) are not a people who enjoyed any rights or material prosperity historically; we were a very meek lot and the other powerful NB castes always had the upper hand in the society. Hence, the most suitable and appropriate way for us today is not to confront any other group, nor even to consider any group as our "enemy"; if we do so, that will surely be the beginning of our end, imho.

What we may do best is to identify the areas in which we tabras can still be of some use to others and earn a decent living. One good friend of mine (he is also 70+ now) always tells me that his poor father used to remind him that for a brAhmin there are only two ways — the "darbhai" & the "karaNTi" — meaning one can choose between priesthood and catering. My friend has been a professional cook all his life time and he now manages a very prosperous hotel also.

Let us therefore, set aside all righteous indignation and ideas of confrontation with imaginary "enemies" and explore ways of survival, as a minority group within the Hindu fold which did not enjoy any superior rights or status historically.
 
Dear Shri Ashwin_ash,

I do not know what you mean when you say "our rights"; have we been deprived of any rights?

Secondly, what are the circumstances which make you conclude that "Iyers and Saivites are heading to oblivion" apparently because of "ill treatment at the hands of non-brahmins"?

If you have not just decided to withdraw after posting such a RDX-like OP, kindly elaborate.

I personally have a different set of ideas and beliefs about brAhmins and their past in India, but it has been the majority view here in this forum (and this has been iterated again and again, on many occasions, I remember) that brAhmins had been a sAtvik community for almost all its existence and that the brAhmins had been used by the powerful kshatriya and vaisya communities to write out scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras and so on and so forth in such a way that these three (brAhmin, kshatriya and vaisya) castes would enjoy supremacy over the rest of the population of bhAratavarsha. As a small concession, the brAhmins had been permitted to give unto themselves a nominal superiority in all such scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras, etc.

Our history possibly confirms the above view. I have the instance of the "Darshaneeya" brAhmins who made it a religious routine, during the reign of Akbar not to eat their noon meals unless they had a "darshan" of the emperor in his palace balcony. In addition they reportedly believed that such darshan had mystic and religious results and one's wishes would get fulfilled. I am sure even today some north indian brAhmins of this
darshaneeya lineage are there, but whether they now accept this historical fact is not known to me. Of course, there must have been people of other (higher) castes also who observed similar routine during those times, but the fact to be noted is that brAhmins by themselves could not go against this and had to fall in line with the rest.

Going back to our mythology, the first brAhmin to have taken up the axe against the high caste non-brAhmins (kshatriyas) and probably the personality who impelled you write this OP also, was ParasurAma. Though he is believed to be an avatAra of vishnu and was invincible, so to say, yet you find that our ancient history itself shows that this ParasurAma was humbled by a kshatriya, rAma. This shows, once again, that even a brAhman avatAra could not stand up to a kshatriya avatAra. Again, ParasurAma could not win his battle with Bheeshma and even the gods and rucheeka came and said that a brAhmin fighting could not win against a great kshatriya like bheeshma.

Till the beginning of the 20th. century or so, the tabras it seems, had generally been not affluent and many of them lived below subsistence levels. Only for a very brief period (from the time Macaulay's English education system -1835- was enthusiastically embraced by tabras and British Government jobs came within their reach, till the Independence and the implementation of the reservation system) did we tabras enjoy a "golden period" and that too was not as any "right" but due to the favour granted by the British. In the 19th. century Tanjore also, poor brAhmins who had no other means of livelihood, used to go sit in some spot in the Temple prAkAram and start recounting stories from purANAs or itihAsas along with songs (carnatic music, interestingly!) crafted by themselves or by other well-known harikathA exponents; people used to put some cash in the brass plate kept before such entrepreneurs and they used such meagre income to sustain themselves and their families.

It should thus be clear to you and other readers that we brAhmins (especially Tamil Brahmins) are not a people who enjoyed any rights or material prosperity historically; we were a very meek lot and the other powerful NB castes always had the upper hand in the society. Hence, the most suitable and appropriate way for us today is not to confront any other group, nor even to consider any group as our "enemy"; if we do so, that will surely be the beginning of our end, imho.

What we may do best is to identify the areas in which we tabras can still be of some use to others and earn a decent living. One good friend of mine (he is also 70+ now) always tells me that his poor father used to remind him that for a brAhmin there are only two ways — the "darbhai" & the "karaNTi" — meaning one can choose between priesthood and catering. My friend has been a professional cook all his life time and he now manages a very prosperous hotel also.

Let us therefore, set aside all righteous indignation and ideas of confrontation with imaginary "enemies" and explore ways of survival, as a minority group within the Hindu fold which did not enjoy any superior rights or status historically.
Interesting. A sentence has been made bold / underlined above.

1) May i know how and why were Brahmins permitted to give unto themselves a nominal superiority in all such scriptures ? And which brahmins were these? Smarthas? or Agamic priests?

2) And how about the lines in red posted by you here: http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...-safeguard-kshatriya-interests.html#post53893 -- are they wrong? Reproduced below for convenience:

(Note: It is not feasible that, if the MDS was a concoction of the Kshatriya for ensuring the Kshatriyas’ interests, but made to be written down by Brahmanas, that such pre-eminence would have been granted to the brahmanas. It will be clear, to any dispassionate student, from all the foregoing evidences, that MDS and all the other Dharma Sastras, or Smritis, are all for safeguarding the interests of the Brahmanas primarily and to keep the other three groups under their spiritual suzerainty.)
 
Practically we can start doing this:
1. Let us create an informal circuit of brahmins in powerful positions. When we have to select a person for employment or select a vendor for a list of suppliers to our organization let us select a brahmin for this if there is a brahmin competing with others. Other things being equal if there is a brahmin in the fray let us add a tulsi dal on the side of the brahmin. Other castes have more than enough back up from commu nities and Governments and this tulsi dal should not disturb our conscience either. Moreover we select a brahmin only when we come across the situation in which he is equally good as other options. Are we ready for this? I keep doing this.
Cheers.

Recently I interviewed a candidate from Chennai. Should I have enquired about his caste before making the decision whether or not to hire him? Now I feel bad ...
 
Recently I interviewed a candidate from Chennai. Should I have enquired about his caste before making the decision whether or not to hire him? Now I feel bad ...

Dear Biswa,

If the job is in chennai and if it is a job in government sector, it is illegal NOT to enquire about his caste classification. You may be accused of flouting governmental norms.

If the interview is for a job in private sector, AFAIK, there is no such legal requirement, though I think it won't be long before the govt shoves caste-based reservations down your throat!

You might have been caste-blind during this particular interview process but better get used to being caste-conscious!
 
Hmm, unfortunately the job was not for a position in India. Everybody regardless of caste is happy to emigrate you know.

So to make the hiring decision, first I have to figure whether it is suitable to hire Indian or not Indian, then whether Tamil or Kannadiga (the candidate was in Blore but had an address in Chennai), Brahmin or non Brahmin, Shaivite or Vaishnavite.

Only then if I have time I should consider the technical capabilities of the candidate and maybe not for more than 10% of the grade. No wonder the public sector in India has gone down the drain. That will also be the case for private undertakings who hire based on sectarianism rather than ability.

Thank you for using the term "caste blind". I like that!
 
Interesting. A sentence has been made bold / underlined above.

1) May i know how and why were Brahmins permitted to give unto themselves a nominal superiority in all such scriptures ? And which brahmins were these? Smarthas? or Agamic priests?

2) And how about the lines in red posted by you here: http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/genera...-safeguard-kshatriya-interests.html#post53893 -- are they wrong? Reproduced below for convenience:

(Note: It is not feasible that, if the MDS was a concoction of the Kshatriya for ensuring the Kshatriyas’ interests, but made to be written down by Brahmanas, that such pre-eminence would have been granted to the brahmanas. It will be clear, to any dispassionate student, from all the foregoing evidences, that MDS and all the other Dharma Sastras, or Smritis, are all for safeguarding the interests of the Brahmanas primarily and to keep the other three groups under their spiritual suzerainty.)

Dear Shri Palindrome,

I have clearly stated that what was written in that post, referred to by you, was not my view but the opinion of the majority here.

" I personally have a different set of ideas and beliefs about brAhmins and their past in India, but it has been the majority view here in this forum (and this has been iterated again and again, on many occasions, I remember) that brAhmins had been a sAtvik community for almost all its existence and that the brAhmins had been used by the powerful kshatriya and vaisya communities to write out scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras and so on and so forth in such a way that these three (brAhmin, kshatriya and vaisya) castes would enjoy supremacy over the rest of the population of bhAratavarsha. As a small concession, the brAhmins had been permitted to give unto themselves a nominal superiority in all such scriptures, purANAs, dharma sAstras, etc. "

The highlighted sentence was, of course, one of the explanations possible to justify the meek, subservient role of the brahmins as reflected in the said majority views of this Forum and the superiority for brahmins which we find in most of our scriptures, ostensibly written by the meek and spineless brahmins at the dictates of the the other two "dwija" castes. There could be other valid explanations also but nothing else readily comes to my mind.

Hope the position will be clear to you now.
 
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