Logical Understanding and Applications of Spirituality

[sravna]

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So I think a person who can produce spiritual energy deep enough to act at even very low levels can control his total body up to the level of genes.

 

[sravna]

If we understand and know the energies that constitute a synergy we can simulate the unit say a cell or a tissue or a organ based on the knowledge.

 

[sravna]

With the thought that one needs to study the energies and their interactions in a human body to make it possible to create a spiritual, system, for the moment I will move on to other topics.

 

[sravna]

It would be instructive to start from a single celled organism or even a crystal to understand how they produce a higher energy that defy the four fundamental forces of nature. Starting from such simple structures one can gain considerable insights that can help develop a theory.

 

[renuka]

Sravna...Sravna..Sravna...Gues what!

Do I have spiritual powers?

I have been getting a recurrent dream that my car brakes are failing me and I cant stop my car while driving down a slope and in my dream I manage to avoid hitting anyone or injuring myself.

Been getting this dream very very often.

To be on the safe side...I took my car to the mechanic and he told me my brake pads are almost worn out and lucky I came on time to change it.

So Sravna...what say you?

Spiritual power or co-incidence?

 

[sravna]

Sravna...Sravna..Sravna...Gues what!

Do I have spiritual powers?

I have been getting a recurrent dream that my car brakes are failing me and I cant stop my car while driving down a slope and in my dream I manage to avoid hitting anyone or injuring myself.

Been getting this dream very very often.

To be on the safe side...I took my car to the mechanic and he told me my brake pads are almost worn out and lucky I came on time to change it.

So Sravna...what say you?

Spiritual power or co-incidence?

Dear Renuka,

I do not believe in coincidences. Yes that is some power

 

[GANESH65]

Sravna...Sravna..Sravna...Gues what!

Do I have spiritual powers?

I have been getting a recurrent dream that my car brakes are failing me and I cant stop my car while driving down a slope and in my dream I manage to avoid hitting anyone or injuring myself.

Been getting this dream very very often.

To be on the safe side...I took my car to the mechanic and he told me my brake pads are almost worn out and lucky I came on time to change it.

So Sravna...what say you?

Spiritual power or co-incidence?

I think it is your awareness to the mechanical system of your car that is saved you. Normally human beings have a tendency to do mental calculation of certain things on our own and the memory remains in a corner of our sub conscious mind. As a doctor you may be better knowing about this. I am sure you may have been cautioned by your mechanic some time back who regularly services your car that your brake system needs a change which you might have forgotten. My opinion is that it has taken shape of a dream and it came handy for you to save yourself from trouble.

 

[renuka]

I think it is your awareness to the mechanical system of your car that is saved you. Normally human beings have a tendency to do mental calculation of certain things on our own and the memory remains in a corner of our sub conscious mind. As a doctor you may be better knowing about this. I am sure you may have been cautioned by your mechanic some time back who regularly services your car that your brake system needs a change which you might have forgotten. My opinion is that it has taken shape of a dream and it came handy for you to save yourself from trouble.

May be...but the last time round it was not me who took the car to the mechanic..so I had no idea what the mechanic said then.

But yet again..last nite I had a dream that I saw a dead body nearby where I stay..accident victim lying on road.

I dismissed it as a bad dream..but today while driving to work..just 800 meters from my house..I saw a police car and I saw a small crowd...there was a person lying dead on the road..accident victim..fell from his bike when a car hit into him.

So how did I know this?

Move over Sravna...here comes Renuka!LOL

 

[sravna]

May be...but the last time round it was not me who took the car to the mechanic..so I had no idea what the mechanic said then.

But yet again..last nite I had a dream that I saw a dead body nearby where I stay..accident victim lying on road.

I dismissed it as a bad dream..but today while driving to work..just 800 meters from my house..I saw a police car and I saw a small crowd...there was a person lying dead on the road..accident victim..fell from his bike when a car hit into him.

So how did I know this?

Move over Sravna...here comes Renuka!LOL

Renuka,

You are a specialist and I am a general practitioner

 

[renuka]

Renuka,

You are a specialist and I am a general practitioner

LOL!


Dear Sravna...my so called intuition is mainly related to sickness and death.

May be cos of my profession...so my mind is more receptive to thought waves related to sickness and death..after all thought waves can be picked up by others too.

 

[sravna]

LOL!


Dear Sravna...my so called intuition is mainly related to sickness and death.

May be cos of my profession...so my mind is more receptive to thought waves related to sickness and death..after all thought waves can be picked up by others too.

Dear Renuka,

The ability you possess is called as precognition, knowing events before they happen. With this ability of yours and my abilities, maybe we can form a team and offer spiritual solutions,

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

The ability you possess is called as precognition, knowing events before they happen. With this ability of yours and my abilities, maybe we can form a team and offer spiritual solutions,

Hey Sravna...me and you forming a team?

What spiritual solutions yaar?

Its not as if precognition ability is a Free Will for me.

I prefer just leading a simple life without any spirituality etc.

Life is too short to be worried about spirituality etc.

 

[sravna]

Hey Sravna...me and you forming a team?

What spiritual solutions yaar?

Its not as if precognition ability is a Free Will for me.

I prefer just leading a simple life without any spirituality etc.

Life is too short to be worried about spirituality etc.

Take it easy Renuka, I always believe in making use of one's special abilities for the benefit of others too.

 

[sravna]

So far I have been talking at the level of macrocosm. I will now focus for a while on microcosm and at the level of an individual. I am going with a flow that is naturally coming to me. Let us see if we can eventually tie everything together.

Trying to practice spirituality is like learning to ride a cycle. It has to be hands on experience. You can know every theory about emotions but still not be able to control them if you do not try to put the knowledge to practice. Possessing knowledge does not go in vain though and can help and act as a guidance. I will teach some practical techniques outlining the underlying logic to be in self control and be in mastery over the emotions.

 

[GANESH65]

So far I have been talking at the level of macrocosm. I will now focus for a while on microcosm and at the level of an individual. I am going with a flow that is naturally coming to me. Let us see if we can eventually tie everything together.

Trying to practice spirituality is like learning to ride a cycle. It has to be hands on experience. You can know every theory about emotions but still not be able to control them if you do not try to put the knowledge to practice. Possessing knowledge does not go in vain though and can help and act as a guidance. I will teach some practical techniques outlining the underlying logic to be in self control and be in mastery over the emotions.

Dear Shri Srvana,

I think spirituality as a whole consists of effects of good, bad and the evil spirits. So far your posts seems to be referring to good spirits only. In case your moving to detailed case study, I think study on evil spirits will be a good option. You can have a good number people who believe there is effects of bad omen on them. I f your try to study and cure them with your powers, I think it will give you a good chance to promote your ideology.

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Srvana,

I think spirituality as a whole consists of effects of good, bad and the evil spirits. So far your posts seems to be referring to good spirits only. In case your moving to detailed case study, I think study on evil spirits will be a good option. You can have a good number people who believe there is effects of bad omen on them. I f your ry to study and cure them with your powers, I think it will give you a good chance to promote your ideology.

Dear Shri Ganesh,

That is the idea exactly, But what you call as evil spirits or bad omen is finally the cause of one's inability to cope up in difficult or even not so difficult situations. So my endeavor here is to help people deal at an intellectual level by themselves instead of using power to remove directly the cause.

The ultimate objective of existence is to rise above the physical and mental energies and not be influenced by them. So in my view becoming spiritual also takes away the effects of karma. If you are a strong believer in destiny, you might say showing interest in being spiritual itself is part of the destiny.

 

[sravna]

Learning mostly happens through pains and sadness. I believe the reason we exist is to learn and learn and gain the ultimate knowledge. Pains and emotions are felt in the physical body. Since we would like to avoid negative experiences, they make us think and in the process we generally learn. Learning also includes imbibing only to unlearn.

I think we need something gross like a physical body because negative experiences are less palpable on something that is subtle.

 

[sravna]

We also plan for positive experiences and knowledge is gained while trying to create positive experiences. But I think higher knowledge is gained while trying to avoid negative experiences than while trying to create positive experiences. Without overcoming the cause of pain and negative emotions higher knowledge cannot be gained. I believe if negative emotions are decreasing , ego, attachment and pride automatically keep decreasing too.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Srvana,

I think spirituality as a whole consists of effects of good, bad and the evil spirits. So far your posts seems to be referring to good spirits only. In case your moving to detailed case study, I think study on evil spirits will be a good option. You can have a good number people who believe there is effects of bad omen on them. I f your try to study and cure them with your powers, I think it will give you a good chance to promote your ideology.

Coming to evil spirits..sometimes focusing on "negativity" does not really help.

Sometimes the consciousness level of an evil entity might be even higher than a person who is spiritual.

Therefore a 'fight' of any kind stands a risk.

The best is to give less thought to entities..they thrive on thought waves of those who fear them.

The only way to handle them is NOT to FEAR them and do not give much thought to their existence.

But whatever said and done..this does not translate to disrespect.

Many entities of various kind live among us..not all are evil but just go about life with a live and let live attitude.

 

[sravna]

The following are the negative experiences: Pain, sadness, fear, hatred, anger, envy, jealousy. When we are free of these, our mind is able to see things with clarity and receive the truth. A person will not see logic if afflicted by any of the above.

Changing our beliefs at the fundamental level can do a lot of wonders for our attitude and in controlling our emotions. At the same time one needs to adopt a bottom up approach and use practical techniques to achieve results. The most fundamental requirement in our belief system is that they should not contradict. If they do it is impossible to bring emotions under control.

 

[sravna]

We modify our belief system and follow some practical techniques to avoid negative experiences. This is a practical holistic approach that will address the root causes while constantly giving results.

 

[renuka]

The following are the negative experiences: Pain, sadness, fear, hatred, anger, envy, jealousy.

Pain is a protective mechanism...pain..both physical or emotional serves to warn us of impending danger.

So its surely not negative in my opinion.

Sadness is reaction to loss or disappointment ..its thru this we learn to cope and build resistance.

Fear again is also a life saving mechanism sometimes. When we fear something we might not do something bad or hurt someone.

Hatred,Jealousy/Envy are desire based reactions..these are optional and serves no actual benefit to humans.

 

[Vaagmi]

The following are the negative experiences: Pain, sadness, fear, hatred, anger, envy, jealousy. When we are free of these, our mind is able to see things with clarity and receive the truth. A person will not see logic if afflicted by any of the above.

Changing our beliefs at the fundamental level can do a lot of wonders for our attitude and in controlling our emotions. At the same time one needs to adopt a bottom up approach and use practical techniques to achieve results. The most fundamental requirement in our belief system is that they should not contradict. If they do it is impossible to bring emotions under control.

Dear sravnaji,

My thoughts on this:

You have listed pain, sadness,fear, hatred, anger,envy and jealousy as negative experiences.

I believe there is a fine distinction there between these. While pain, sadness and fear are induced by external developments the others are transformations , the underlying individual deliberately takes up.

Well being can be absence of pain. Happiness can be absence of sadness. Valour or foolhardiness can be absence of fear.

But Hatred comes out of deliberate dislike for someone or something.

Anger can be an all consuming loss of control whenever it is not deliberately assumed and directed to a purpose.

Envy is a keen awareness of one's inability to outperform the envied.

Jealousy is materialistic extreme.

Don't you see the difference?

Instead of dealing with the outcomes I would prefer to concentrate on the underlying substrate - that is the atman.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka, Shri Vaagmi

Thanks for your thoughts. The reason for classifying them together and calling them as negative experiences is all of them set us thinking for not going though them in the future. They are sought to be avoided and we try to do something about it. We learn from all of them though many a time in such cases our actions are not constructive. but still we are learning as we eventually unlearn the destructive attitude for good as a soul based on the totality of past experiences.

What do you say?

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

I do not really subscribe to the idea of suppressing my actions and reactions but I can safely say I do not possess jealousy/envy/hatred cos that signals gross inadequacy.

But coming to sadness,pain etc...I dont mind all these cos thats part of life to feel differently for different situations.

Driving to work a few days ago I saw a dead dog on the road..head smashed and bleeding..it got hit by a car..so I could not help feeling sad for it..for a few seconds I tried to imagine its pain and last thoughts.

So that feeling of sadness is needed for me to feel compassion.

I do not believe in a perfect state of being beyond everything cos that is like being dead or under anesthesia..One can not be numb to the world

That way I would want to even disagree with a stanza in the Geeta which says that the wise do not lament for the dead.

Technically only the body dies..Yes..we all know that..but some deaths are painful..if I cant lament for a pain someone went tru in order to die...I do not think I am fit to be human.

Over emphasis on Atma or Spirituality sometimes can be almost subhuman.