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Milching Mammals
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Dairy cattle are generally not built very strong unlike meat/beef cattle.
Cow eat generally grass, paddy straw or its related items. Secondly
the Farmers choose selected breed for their Cows. Only Dairy Owners
exploit the Cow for their business.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Cow eat generally grass, paddy straw or its related items. Secondly
the Farmers choose selected breed for their Cows. Only Dairy Owners
exploit the Cow for their business.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Hi Mr Raghy,
Definitely I am not challenging your bigger point. Like the supreme court justices, I am debating on a narrow issue. LOL
I don't think there was any Arabic in the Alexandria library. Arabic dates from the 6th century CE Arabic language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia while the library dates to 3rd century BC. It was pre-Roman! And rumored to be burned down by the great Julius Caesar.
What I am trying to say is that Egypt had a Greek identity then (after all Alexandria is named after the most famous Greek). It is only recently that they consider themselves Arabs. Of course originally they had their own culture and language at the time of the pyramids.
BTW, Persians do not consider themselves Arabs, they are fiercely proud of their own heritage. This pan-Arab movement is fairly recent (also coinciding with Al Qaeda). Now even the Pakistanis consider themselves Arab. Well at least they write in the Arabic script.
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BTW, Persians do not consider themselves Arabs, they are fiercely proud of their own heritage. This pan-Arab movement is fairly recent (also coinciding with Al Qaeda). Now even the Pakistanis consider themselves Arab. Well at least they write in the Arabic script.<<
True. Even now some Iranians consider themselves Persians rather than Iranians, perhaps because of the notoriety associated with Iran.
As for Pakistan, they do not consider themselves Arabs. Definitely not. But they are fiercely Islamic and would not hesitate to align themselves with the rest of the Arab world when it suits them. Even now their sympathy lies with al Qaeda while they want the monetary and military aid from the US. As for writing, the Arabic script predates Urdu and Urdu adopted the Arabic script while it is closer to Hindustani/Hindi in words and usage.
True. Even now some Iranians consider themselves Persians rather than Iranians, perhaps because of the notoriety associated with Iran.
As for Pakistan, they do not consider themselves Arabs. Definitely not. But they are fiercely Islamic and would not hesitate to align themselves with the rest of the Arab world when it suits them. Even now their sympathy lies with al Qaeda while they want the monetary and military aid from the US. As for writing, the Arabic script predates Urdu and Urdu adopted the Arabic script while it is closer to Hindustani/Hindi in words and usage.
Obviously man, drinking milk does not by itself cause intolerance. Babies are drinking milk all the time, and almost all are lactose tolerant. I think I did not phrase my statement properly.
However, if adults did not try drinking milk, they would not exhibit lactose intolerance. This is a condition exacerbated by the unnatural behavior of drinking milk in adulthood. There is only one mammalian species which does that, humans.
No amount of drinking milk will make the body get used to it. It will not put back the lactase producing gene in the affected individual, only a random mutation would.
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I did not imply that you will overcome lactose intolerance by continuing to drink milk. Once you develop lactose intolerance there are some ways out of it. It is a given that the lactose digesting capability decreases as we age. So we can avoid drinking milk and substitute it with converted products.
1. Yogurt (called curd elsewhere)--here the bacteria used to make yogurt from milk converts lactose to lactic acid and converts the milk proteins into easily digestible products too. Our ancestors knew this. You can eat as much yogurt as you want without getting subjected to lactose intolerance.
2. The middle class families who buy their groceries in supermarkets (in India) can consume the special milk varieties such as soy milk or almond milk. Tofu (made from soymilk cheese) is free of lactose and a good source of protein. In addition there is another dairy milk called Lact-aid milk which has been treated with the enzyme lactase while preserving the taste and consistency of milk.
3. If you still want to drink milk there is one more way out of it. It is not yet commercially viable. What you can do is to subject milk to what is known as ultrafiltration whereby you would selectively remove lactose, salt, and water but not the fat or protein from the milk. The milk will get concentrated which you can redilute with water to its old concentration. Somebody can start this process in India and sell lactose-free milk if there will be market. No harm in trying it in a test-market.
1. Yogurt (called curd elsewhere)--here the bacteria used to make yogurt from milk converts lactose to lactic acid and converts the milk proteins into easily digestible products too. Our ancestors knew this. You can eat as much yogurt as you want without getting subjected to lactose intolerance.
2. The middle class families who buy their groceries in supermarkets (in India) can consume the special milk varieties such as soy milk or almond milk. Tofu (made from soymilk cheese) is free of lactose and a good source of protein. In addition there is another dairy milk called Lact-aid milk which has been treated with the enzyme lactase while preserving the taste and consistency of milk.
3. If you still want to drink milk there is one more way out of it. It is not yet commercially viable. What you can do is to subject milk to what is known as ultrafiltration whereby you would selectively remove lactose, salt, and water but not the fat or protein from the milk. The milk will get concentrated which you can redilute with water to its old concentration. Somebody can start this process in India and sell lactose-free milk if there will be market. No harm in trying it in a test-market.
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Lord Shiva in fact assumed the form of Sharaba, i.e. a form with
combination of a Lion, Human and a Bird. When a fight was on
between Lord Shiva and Narasimha, Lord Narasimha realised that
Sharaba was nothing but Lord Shiva. Lord Narasimha offered
Pranams to Lord Shiva and became quite withering away strong
feeling of hostility and displeasure filled with anger to enable
Goddess Lakshmi and Prahalada to worship. Worshiping of Lord
Sharaba has got of lot of advantages and Pooja to Lord Sharaba
is done only on Sundays between Rahu Kalam Period. He/She who one
worships Lord Sharaba will get relieved from all the evils, viz. Soonyam,
Evil Deeds, etc by chanting "Nothing is mine, Everthing is yours,
Kindly relieve me from all the problems".
Om Shri Sarabeshwaraya Namaha
Om Saaluvesaaya vidmahe Pakshirajaaya dheemahi
Tanno Sarabhah Prachodayaat.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
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Raji Ram
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Bala Sir has made you THINK!! That is always his aim!
Now, let me try to explain. A doubt was raised about an avthAr of Sri VishNu. So Bala Sir is narrating one avthAr of Lord Siva.
Hope I am correct!
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Since there was a post on the Avatars, I quoted the above as a part of it.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Sri. Biswa, Greetings.
I refer to your mesage in post #28. I am not suggesting Persians were Arabs. All i said was Persian language had great literature too from what Persians say. When Arabs invaded and subjugated Persians, their literature burned.Persians were not 'people of the book'; so, they couldn't get dhimmi status. I am only talking about literature works burned by narrow minded persons. I am not mixing Arab Bedouins with Persians.
As for the Arab language, that link provided by you talks about 'post Islamic situation' in Arabia. There was a pre-Islamic situation too. Arabs did not start talking in poetic Arabic language overnight in the post Islamic Arabia; they were talikng in poetic Arabic before that too. If you read Ahadith, that can be worked out. Kaba was the common temple ground where over 300 deities were kept; deities woeshipped by different tribes of pre-Islamic Arabia. Haj period was the period when all the tribes agreed to put their differences away and congregate at Makkah to spend time in celebrations, socialising and festivities for their respective deities. Songs and poems were abundant.
In The Name Of Allah - Arab History, Pre Islamic Arabia
http://krc.orient.ox.ac.uk/aalc/images/stories/mcam_linguistic_map.pdf
A History of Muslim Philosophy
I just provided few links to show about Pre-Islamic Arabia.
About the great library of Alexandria - It may be possible it was destroyed few times before completely finished off by Omar.
eHistory.com: The Burning of the Library of Alexandria
Who destroyed Alexandria Library?, The Milli Gazette, Vol.3 No.23, MG69 (1-15 Dec 02)
The Great Library of Alexandria? Heather Phillips
The important point I like to make is not about who destroyed that library; it had tens of thousands of scrolls from various languages and various lands.
Cheers!
I refer to your mesage in post #28. I am not suggesting Persians were Arabs. All i said was Persian language had great literature too from what Persians say. When Arabs invaded and subjugated Persians, their literature burned.Persians were not 'people of the book'; so, they couldn't get dhimmi status. I am only talking about literature works burned by narrow minded persons. I am not mixing Arab Bedouins with Persians.
As for the Arab language, that link provided by you talks about 'post Islamic situation' in Arabia. There was a pre-Islamic situation too. Arabs did not start talking in poetic Arabic language overnight in the post Islamic Arabia; they were talikng in poetic Arabic before that too. If you read Ahadith, that can be worked out. Kaba was the common temple ground where over 300 deities were kept; deities woeshipped by different tribes of pre-Islamic Arabia. Haj period was the period when all the tribes agreed to put their differences away and congregate at Makkah to spend time in celebrations, socialising and festivities for their respective deities. Songs and poems were abundant.
In The Name Of Allah - Arab History, Pre Islamic Arabia
http://krc.orient.ox.ac.uk/aalc/images/stories/mcam_linguistic_map.pdf
A History of Muslim Philosophy
I just provided few links to show about Pre-Islamic Arabia.
About the great library of Alexandria - It may be possible it was destroyed few times before completely finished off by Omar.
eHistory.com: The Burning of the Library of Alexandria
Who destroyed Alexandria Library?, The Milli Gazette, Vol.3 No.23, MG69 (1-15 Dec 02)
The Great Library of Alexandria? Heather Phillips
The important point I like to make is not about who destroyed that library; it had tens of thousands of scrolls from various languages and various lands.
Cheers!
Namaskara. This discussion of Sri Krishna and milk cows brought to mind the lines "brahmanya devAya go-brAhmana hitAya ca/jagaddhitAya......"
Of course, the "go" here means several things, in addition to cows, e.g. gAm iti vedalakShaNAm, etc. But certainly, "cows" included!
Since the Holy Lord is engaged in the "hita" of brahmanas, and of the entire universe, the brahmana samaja can certainly follow the example set by Him and engage in the "hita" of cows and all other beings as well.
It occurred to me, and I say this with great humility, that the Tamil brahman samaja can set a shining example for India by creating a truly effective dairy research program. We lack an effective modern program that researches the milk quality of the various Indian breeds and attempts to link this up with modern advances in the genomics of the milk cow. Owing to vigorous "triple cross" programs, indiscriminate & ongoing slaughter of the best lactating animals in urban dairies, and export of breeding stock, our native breeds are in great danger in spite of current interest and even hoopla surrounding them.
There are important thermodynamic issues surrounding the milk production and physiology of the Indian humped cattle that is physiologically different from the Bos taurus or humpless cattle of Europe. Our cattle have geentics for higher fat content but less milk volume, which places them at a disadvantage in the modern market economy. This is a fundamental thermodynamic and genetic issue. Thus we need the support of the brahman samaj for research into milk fat and organoleptic qualities of the Vechur, the Gir, and other Indian breeds.
We then need to link up with other Indian brahman groups, which will have their pride injured by being beaten [AGAIN!] by the Tamils in a progressive and remarkable idea: the well-being of cows. Of course there will be great approbation from ALL religious bodies, and this will snowball.
We need to do this, because our Government is profoundly against the Sanatana Dharma, and every symbol or idea connected with the Dharma. So are large sections of the modern or English educated people, including officials & intellectuals, some of them Tamil brahmans like the current editorial staff in a famous Chennai English daily. Some group needs to take a stand, and it is my feeble hope that here one migh find enough sympathetic souls to spread the word. Pray forgive me if I have offended anyone inadvertently.
Namaskara.
Of course, the "go" here means several things, in addition to cows, e.g. gAm iti vedalakShaNAm, etc. But certainly, "cows" included!
Since the Holy Lord is engaged in the "hita" of brahmanas, and of the entire universe, the brahmana samaja can certainly follow the example set by Him and engage in the "hita" of cows and all other beings as well.
It occurred to me, and I say this with great humility, that the Tamil brahman samaja can set a shining example for India by creating a truly effective dairy research program. We lack an effective modern program that researches the milk quality of the various Indian breeds and attempts to link this up with modern advances in the genomics of the milk cow. Owing to vigorous "triple cross" programs, indiscriminate & ongoing slaughter of the best lactating animals in urban dairies, and export of breeding stock, our native breeds are in great danger in spite of current interest and even hoopla surrounding them.
There are important thermodynamic issues surrounding the milk production and physiology of the Indian humped cattle that is physiologically different from the Bos taurus or humpless cattle of Europe. Our cattle have geentics for higher fat content but less milk volume, which places them at a disadvantage in the modern market economy. This is a fundamental thermodynamic and genetic issue. Thus we need the support of the brahman samaj for research into milk fat and organoleptic qualities of the Vechur, the Gir, and other Indian breeds.
We then need to link up with other Indian brahman groups, which will have their pride injured by being beaten [AGAIN!] by the Tamils in a progressive and remarkable idea: the well-being of cows. Of course there will be great approbation from ALL religious bodies, and this will snowball.
We need to do this, because our Government is profoundly against the Sanatana Dharma, and every symbol or idea connected with the Dharma. So are large sections of the modern or English educated people, including officials & intellectuals, some of them Tamil brahmans like the current editorial staff in a famous Chennai English daily. Some group needs to take a stand, and it is my feeble hope that here one migh find enough sympathetic souls to spread the word. Pray forgive me if I have offended anyone inadvertently.
Namaskara.
Dear Mr. A.M Ji!
Are you reconsidering your decision or not???
Are you reconsidering your decision or not???
So now we have Sir Bala on the one hand, and also Sir Siva on the other!!!! lol Who will be the final arbiter?!!
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Raji Ram
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Oops!! I made Lord Siva as a member of this forum!! Funny typo!! :lol:
P.S: Original post corrected now!! :thumb: Thanks for pointing out.
Your post made for refreshing reading!! Sad you "corrected" the typo!! In what forum is Lord Shiva not a member? Ex-Officio Chair, at that!! Almost as important as the District Collector or Amma, would you dare say?! Or our Kolaveri Didi in WB?
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Raji Ram
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The typo is still in two of the posts as quotes!! So, not to worry!
P.S: I am sure that Lord Siva will be more safe in Kailash! And He will not have the tension of 'report' of any of his posts!!
Photo courtesy: Google images
Thanks, and Namaskara to Sivarama! Thanks also for the beautiful photo which elevates the mind and is truly a blessing. I sometimes wonder how much we have to thank God who continually provides this unceasing current of ahaituki krpa, through so many means, even through jest, even through anger, through every movement of consciousness, just to awaken the pratyabhijnA. That the grace, the act of recognizing it, the act of gratitude, the act of samarpana, the act of reception, the complete circuit, all the Inconceivable Dance of the "Jyotirmayaya guNanAmasunrtyakAya dAridryaduhkha dahanAya" Sir Shiva.
Sir Shiva just happens to be "RAmapriyAya RaghunAthavarapradAya", so you are especially blessed!
Through the medium of modern electronics, the above grace comes to us in so many unthinkable ways: through forum posts, through films like "Annamaya" the Lord allows hundreds of millions all over the planet to observe His beautiful countenance and Feet for tens of minutes. How fortunate we are in this Kaliyuga, if only we can realize those opportunities!
Another sincere thanks, and humble prostrations.
Namaskara.
P.S. Have you seen the "seva" meted out to the Sri Lingam at the Puskhara Tirtha in Rajasthan? I use "meted" because you can check it out on Youtube, and compare the seva offered in most southern Indian temples. You could see why the Lord MIGHT suffer some tension at Pushkar, OR HE MIGHT fancy some really hard-core massage by some really tough characters!! So, no safety in Kailasha; also, our Prachanda in Nepal is giving the Lord prachanda tension at SriPasupatiNatha in Kathmandu! No peace, on this earth!!
Sir Shiva just happens to be "RAmapriyAya RaghunAthavarapradAya", so you are especially blessed!
Through the medium of modern electronics, the above grace comes to us in so many unthinkable ways: through forum posts, through films like "Annamaya" the Lord allows hundreds of millions all over the planet to observe His beautiful countenance and Feet for tens of minutes. How fortunate we are in this Kaliyuga, if only we can realize those opportunities!
Another sincere thanks, and humble prostrations.
Namaskara.
P.S. Have you seen the "seva" meted out to the Sri Lingam at the Puskhara Tirtha in Rajasthan? I use "meted" because you can check it out on Youtube, and compare the seva offered in most southern Indian temples. You could see why the Lord MIGHT suffer some tension at Pushkar, OR HE MIGHT fancy some really hard-core massage by some really tough characters!! So, no safety in Kailasha; also, our Prachanda in Nepal is giving the Lord prachanda tension at SriPasupatiNatha in Kathmandu! No peace, on this earth!!
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An excellent view. In fact, I was trying to get this image on to this forum.
But my system was having little trouble while transferring process took place.
Thanks a lot for bringing it over here. All the Best Raji. Kudos.
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Envoy the view of Pasupathinathji Temple at Kathmandu.
Pashupatinath - UNESCO World Heritage Site in Kathmandu - YouTube
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
Pashupatinath - UNESCO World Heritage Site in Kathmandu - YouTube
Balasubramanian
Ambattur
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Dear Tmt VR Madam
Ref your post # 40
" Na Janaami Shabdam, Na Janaami Artham
Na Janaami Padyam, Na Janaami Gadyam ".
Things are a bit beyond me. My instinct urges me to just sit back and watch.
I sent you a PM - too tired, early burn-out.
Guruvethunai
Yay Yem
Ref your post # 40
" Na Janaami Shabdam, Na Janaami Artham
Na Janaami Padyam, Na Janaami Gadyam ".
Things are a bit beyond me. My instinct urges me to just sit back and watch.
I sent you a PM - too tired, early burn-out.
Guruvethunai
Yay Yem
renuka
Well-known member
Dear AM ji,
Glad to see you back even though your post sounds not too convincing that you will actively participate or not.
Ok you see..
Na Janaami dhaanam, Na ca dhyaana yogam,
Na janaami tantram, na ca stotra mantram,
Na janaami poojaam, na ca nyaasa yogam,
I don't know how else to make you active again
so you better Gatistvam Gatistvam to Forum as soon as possible!
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Dear Mr. A.M ji,
I was HAPPY to see your name in the G.D :happy:
I became UNHAPPY after reading your post.
Here we are all sailing in the same boat. :fish2:
Only we occupy different seats and interact noisily or silently.
I will not force you to participate but
I will be very happy is you do so!
With your experiences and knowledge you can send the Forum into raptures.
At least, if I were you, I will definitely do that.
with warm regards and best wishes to you and M.A.M mam,
V.R.
I did reply to your P.M. twice!
I was HAPPY to see your name in the G.D :happy:
I became UNHAPPY after reading your post.
Here we are all sailing in the same boat. :fish2:
Only we occupy different seats and interact noisily or silently.
I will not force you to participate but
I will be very happy is you do so!
With your experiences and knowledge you can send the Forum into raptures.
At least, if I were you, I will definitely do that.
with warm regards and best wishes to you and M.A.M mam,
V.R.
I did reply to your P.M. twice!
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