New World Order !

[renuka]

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Dear Renu,

I hope and pray you won't be a mAtAji in an ashram in this birth!! :lol:

Dear RR ji,

I remember when I was in Facebook once there was Hindu woman from India who seemed very pro another religion and she was finding fault with me and a few others saying we were biased and saw other religions differently.This was in some Hindu religious page/forum in FB.

She was sort of telling Hindus to be ever so obliging and should project Ahimsa all the while but I did not like what she was saying cos I dont believe 100% in Ahimsa if your very existence is being threatened.

She was telling me and a few others that we have to share everything we have and not think anything is ours the word Mine or Thine should never be in our vocabulary.

Then I asked her if she practiced what she wrote 100% and she said yes.

Then I asked her if someone tells you "your husband is also my husband and my husband is also your husband what will you say?"

She got real mad and fought with me!LOL

Then everyone in that page thought I was a hero cos I proved that she did not practice what she preached and was just trying to make Hindus fools!

 

[Raji Ram]

Here is a 'mine-thine-money-theory' in dappAng kooththu style!

Prabhu Deva - Yeppa Yeppa

 

[tks]

Dear RR ji,
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I dont believe 100% in Ahimsa if your very existence is being threatened.

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Ahimsa is not about non-violence though that is a popular interpretation.

It means 'minimization of injury' .. So if our life is threatened defending it to minimize injury is consistent with nature and Dharma of Ahimsa (even if enemies have to be killed). If one is lost in a jungle eating other life forms for survival is not contradictory to principle of Ahimsa

Cutting a person's chest (a violent act) is OK if the goal is open heart surgery to minimize pain & suffering at a later point.

Therefore one can live the Dharma of Ahimsa 100% of the time !

 

[krish44]

Ahimsa is not about non-violence though that is a popular interpretation.

It means 'minimization of injury' .. So if our life is threatened defending it to minimize injury is consistent with nature and Dharma of Ahimsa (even if enemies have to be killed). If one is lost in a jungle eating other life forms for survival is not contradictory to principle of Ahimsa

Cutting a person's chest (a violent act) is OK if the goal is open heart surgery to minimize pain & suffering at a later point.

Therefore one can live the Dharma of Ahimsa 100% of the time !

It is an interesting thought TKS ji

Propounding Dharma of Ahimsa

cutting of heart to minimise pain later

I have one more example

spitting on a bearded mans face when it is on fire to douse the fire

what logic.to justify . great dharma lol

 

[Raji Ram]

What a weird imagination, Krish Sir!
BTW, can you spit so much to douse a fire on the beard of a man?? :flame: . . . :spit:

 

[Raji Ram]

When we think of minimizing pain, I am reminded of this:

In my village, all stay dogs used to be caught and killed by the panchayat workers by hitting a hammer on its head.

My dad felt very bad about this and used to tell us, 'At least these guys could give a nice food to the dogs with some

poison added to it, so that they will enjoy the food and die with less pain!'.

 

[krish44]

What a weird imagination, Krish Sir!
BTW, can you spit so much to douse a fire on the beard of a man?? :flame: . . . :spit:

it is supposed to be a joke . laugh please RRji

 

[krish44]

this treatment is done to rats normally thru appropriate poison .
There used to be a liquid spray Tik -20 for killing insects and bugs

one of my class mates drank it in college since he was jilted in love.

others found out by smelling him when he went to say good bye after drinking . they hauled him to hospital for stomach wash. the fellow was back to normal in 2or3 days . he was rusticated for his valiant act.
I do not know how painful it is after drinking such things . no experience .lol

 

[Raji Ram]

it is supposed to be a joke . laugh please RRji

:lol:

 

[Raji Ram]

In my village. 'araLi' seeds used to be the easiest available poison for lovers who wish to end their lives!

There was very cute looking and timid girl in our school. One fine morning she was found dead in the garden, along with her

cousin, with whom she was in love! Since their parents were enemies, they objected to the proposal. The lovers ate crushed

'araLi' seeds. Anyway, to avoid postmortem, the case was closed by certifying that they died of snake poison! :tsk:

Even now I remember her face so well. She could have easily suited the role as an angel, in the school drama! :angel:

 

[krish44]

In my village. 'araLi' seeds used to be the easiest available poison for lovers who wish to end their lives!

There was very cute looking and timid girl in our school. One fine morning she was found dead in the garden, along with her

cousin, with whom she was in love! Since their parents were enemies, they objected to the proposal. The lovers ate crushed

'araLi' seeds. Anyway, to avoid postmortem, the case was closed by certifying that they died of snake poison! :tsk:

Even now I remember her face so well. She could have easily suited the role as an angel, in the school drama! :angel:

in the case mentioned ,due to the boys experience , the girl concerned poor thing was shunned by other boys who used to refer to her affectionately as TIK -20 and every one kept a safe distance from her
who says boys do not have self preservation instincts?

 

[tks]

It is an interesting thought TKS ji

Propounding Dharma of Ahimsa

cutting of heart to minimise pain later

I have one more example

spitting on a bearded mans face when it is on fire to douse the fire

what logic.to justify . great dharma lol

I did not invent the doctrine - just explaining with a more modern example. I am unable to see the humor in this instance of what you wrote. Perhaps others can ..


Open heart surgery involves a very violent act. But it is still considered an act of Ahimsa since the objective is to realize a functioning heart at a late time. And of course the surgery is conducted when aa pateint is administered anesthesia.

In other words violent act could be ahimsa and hence a simplistic translation as non-violence will not make sense.

The way Gandhiji used the concept (Non-violent movement) is brilliant since it enabled India to make Englishmen to walk away after 200 years of domination within minimal blood shed.

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear Chandru ji,

I have noted that you dont seem too fond of Lord Krishna...any reason?

I like Lord Krishna cos He is simply superb.

No reason at all. He was a human being like us and born with a silver spoon. Belonged to Kshatriya denomination during his time.

Enjoyed his life fully, like what the present day wards of politicians, film personalities, sportsmen, industrialists etc. are doing in various places.

I am from a middle class family madam, and can either watch or criticize such actions.

Worshipping him seems to be amusing.

 

[krish44]

No reason at all. He was a human being like us and born with a silver spoon. Belonged to Kshatriya denomination during his time.

Enjoyed his life fully, like what the present day wards of politicians, film personalities, sportsmen, industrialists etc. are doing in various places.

I am from a middle class family madam, and can either watch or criticize such actions.

Worshipping him seems to be amusing.

Dear chandruji
Very interesting
Do you find worshipping the other avatharas of hindu Gods also amusing .

Is it krishna alone you would like to criticize?

why do you feel like criticizing and not worshipping ?

what do you find amusing ?

 

[krish44]

I did not invent the doctrine - just explaining with a more modern example. I am unable to see the humor in this instance of what you wrote. Perhaps others can ..


Open heart surgery involves a very violent act. But it is still considered an act of Ahimsa since the objective is to realize a functioning heart at a late time. And of course the surgery is conducted when aa pateint is administered anesthesia.

In other words violent act could be ahimsa and hence a simplistic translation as non-violence will not make sense.

The way Gandhiji used the concept (Non-violent movement) is brilliant since it enabled India to make Englishmen to walk away after 200 years of domination within minimal blood shed.

TKSji
There is no lack of understanding regarding doctrine of dharma ahimsa .which you are explaining and not inventing

If everyone started practisng this on large scale , there will be more of this type off ahimsa and less dharma .many will practise this ahimsa and explain it is as their dharma .

who is to judge whether it is dharma ahimsa?

 

[renuka]

No reason at all. He was a human being like us and born with a silver spoon. Belonged to Kshatriya denomination during his time.

Enjoyed his life fully, like what the present day wards of politicians, film personalities, sportsmen, industrialists etc. are doing in various places.

I am from a middle class family madam, and can either watch or criticize such actions.

Worshipping him seems to be amusing.

Chandru ji,

I can understand what you wrote cos many people actually cant accept the concept of an Avatar that walked this Earth like a human cos they prefer the idea of an unseen God who is safe high up in heaven and does not come in human form.

We humans have a tendency to humanize our thoughts cos that is the only way we can perceive anything and many might actually not want to picturize God taking a human form cos it breaks their preconceived notion of a God high up in heaven.

But that sort of thinking also has its drawbacks cos even if God as in Saguna Brahman stands in front of our eyes..we might not want to believe our eyes and dismiss what we see as "O' he must be just another human"

So Chandru....never have any preconceived notion about God..you feel Lord Krishna enjoyed his life fully like a movie star/politician etc cos you humanized Him and saw all His actions not as a Leela but human like actions.

We can never decipher God....and also dont miss out the chance in life..you never know who might come knocking at your door.

 

[tks]

TKSji
There is no lack of understanding regarding doctrine of dharma ahimsa .which you are explaining and not inventing

If everyone started practisng this on large scale , there will be more of this type off ahimsa and less dharma .many will practise this ahimsa and explain it is as their dharma .

who is to judge whether it is dharma ahimsa?

Krishji

I am unable to understand your comment or objection.
Perhaps you can provide your understanding of what these words mean to you , then may be I can make sense of what you are saying.

People cannot make definitions of these terms willy-nilly - If there are any substantive objections to my interpretation I can respond.

 

[krish44]

Krishji

I am unable to understand your comment or objection.
Perhaps you can provide your understanding of what these words mean to you , then may be I can make sense of what you are saying.

People cannot make definitions of these terms willy-nilly - If there are any substantive objections to my interpretation I can respond.

since I cannot explain , nor you are able to understand we can terminate this dialog . with best wishes
bye

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Dear chandruji
Very interesting
Do you find worshipping the other avatharas of hindu Gods also amusing .

Is it krishna alone you would like to criticize?

why do you feel like criticizing and not worshipping ?

what do you find amusing ?

I am not in favour human worship. Further, Hinduism does not dependent on this. Hinduism has good religious texts which can be propagated. What Krishna did was expected of a Kshatriya. Some of his plays during his younger days are not approved now and unethical as well.

As a result of human worship, every 100 years, we, knowingly or unknowingly, convert one human being as a God, which, I think, is not at all necessary.

 

[renuka]

I am not in favour human worship. Further, Hinduism does not dependent on this. Hinduism has good religious texts which can be propagated. What Krishna did was expected of a Kshatriya. Some of his plays during his younger days are not approved now and unethical as well.

As a result of human worship, every 100 years, we, knowingly or unknowingly, convert one human being as a God, which, I think, is not at all necessary.

Dear Chandru ji,

I might be wrong to ask this but are you not comfortable with the fact that Lord Krishna or Lord Rama took birth in a Kshatriya lineage?(Not that it actually matters cos God is beyond anything)

How would your stance have been if they were born in a Brahmin lineage?

 

[Raji Ram]

I am not in favour human worship. Further, Hinduism does not dependent on this. Hinduism has good religious texts which can be propagated. What Krishna did was expected of a Kshatriya. Some of his plays during his younger days are not approved now and unethical as well.

As a result of human worship, every 100 years, we, knowingly or unknowingly, convert one human being as a God, which, I think, is not at all necessary.

You have very progressive ideas, Sir!

Why don't you start an Ashram and enlighten dumb people!

 

[Raji Ram]

......... How would your stance have been if they were born in a Brahmin lineage?

Dear Renu,
Sir Ji's idea is NO human worship and hence the varNa is irrelevant! :decision:

 

[renuka]

Dear Chandru ji,

Lord Krishna is the only Avatar which allows you to relate to Him in various ways.

You can relate to Him as a cute Baby Krishna..as a naughty prankster (He was a pre teen when Rasakreeda took place..so its just childs play) as a Divine Companion to the devotee Radha .....as a friend..He was a friend to Draupadi and what a friend indeed..He was a cousin and also a Brother In Law to Arjuna and finally when He gave the Geeta He was God.

So somehow the Krishna avatar allows you to chose what you want Him to be.

 

[krish44]

Dear Renu,
Sir Ji's idea is NO human worship and hence the varNa is irrelevant! :decision:

RRji
I like Chandru s basic belief that humans should not be worshipped. You find many gullible ladies going Gaga over samiyars and falling at their feet . Even in my sons house I found one framed samiyar hanging in puja room.
I remember telling him I have reservation regarding worship of Dhadi samiyars and either cover up the photo or present it back to person where he got that from without much success . so I get to put up with with such photos .
I will join chandrujis ashram .Making humans god is not desirable

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Krish Sir,

These dhAdi sAmiyArs are in no way comparable to Lord Krishna. :nono: