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Dear Mr, Praveen, I request you to read wHat is written by me and. offer your opinion , so that members can follow , keeping in view that it is time our ForuM should come out of Stagnation and Become active to chalk out plans by the stalwarts & show UNITY.
Please intervene
A.Srinvasan ( A. Srinivasan)


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Sri Praveen has written many times that he does not read all posts. So it would be better for you to PM him and draw his attention to any aspect that you would like him to address.
 
Why is forum suddenly so dull and slow moving for the past few days?

It is invariably like this..everyone would get excited for a short while whenever some thread with shades Generation of Community,Preservation of Community and Dissolution of Negative Influences is started.

Everyone gets super involved then suddenly everyone goes into silent mode.

Its like side effects of Viagra...from action to inaction.


Not this! Not this! Neti! Neti!

Arise! Awake!
 
Why is forum suddenly so dull and slow moving for the past few days?

It is invariably like this..everyone would get excited for a short while whenever some thread with shades Generation of Community,Preservation of Community and Dissolution of Negative Influences is started.

Everyone gets super involved then suddenly everyone goes into silent mode.

Its like side effects of Viagra...from action to inaction.


Not this! Not this! Neti! Neti!

Arise! Awake!

And stop not until the viagra wears off. LORL.
 
Why is forum suddenly so dull and slow moving for the past few days?

It is invariably like this..everyone would get excited for a short while whenever some thread with shades Generation of Community,Preservation of Community and Dissolution of Negative Influences is started.

Everyone gets super involved then suddenly everyone goes into silent mode.



Its like side effects of Viagra...from action to inaction.


Not this! Not this! Neti! Neti!

Arise! Awake!

Slow and steady wins the race Renukaji, Let the thread develop its own pace. I am sure, this will be one of the most sort after thread soon..
 
Slow and steady wins the race Renukaji, Let the thread develop its own pace. I am sure, this will be one of the most sort after thread soon..

Yes and it looks as if its going to remain ONLY a thread.

All I see is talk and talk but what about action?

Nothing is going to happen if there is no action.
 
Yes and it looks as if its going to remain ONLY a thread.

All I see is talk and talk but what about action?

Nothing is going to happen if there is no action.

Organizing any thing is not that easy Renukaji, People who talk about it today, will make it walk one day.. Again, there are already more than 13,500 Brahmin's organization working all over India (This is includes organizations of every state,not TBs only) Around 97 of them are working from Delhi/NCR . I am member of 3 of them and actively participating and contributing whatever little I can. TBs are much comfortable out side TN, I believe, as we find it difficult to find a priest for a domestic function in certain part of TN is very difficult, where as in cities like Delhi, Mumbai etc you can easily find a Tamil priest. We as an organization, help people to fulfill their religious commitment like conducting community function like Aavani Avittom, Janmashtami, Ganesh Chaturthi, Puthandu, Pongal, Diwali or similar functions. We basically work around many Ganesh Temple all around Delhi. We have an idea to start a Veda Pathshala also in NCR in near future. However response to the same is so far been poor. One to one personal contact is all the more important for success of such programs. It is not necessary that you should come to Chennai or any where else for that. You can start these activity from where you are. To begin with you can start making data bank of like minded people around you and start addressing common problems by way of discussing it during a weekly meeting may be on Sundays. This humble beginning would give much desired result later. We all are living in a nuclear family concept now a days. And many of Brahmin friends do not attend community functions or make TB friends. I will conclude this post with a small incidence happened to a TB Family in Delhi a couple of years back. The family was of only four members, an old couple, their son and daughter in-law. The old man was from Tanjore and was a bit religious and also followed "madi" and other acharams. One day the old man passed away. Although the son had many local friends capable of doing anything for him, he lacked the support of TB culture. The old lady was quite particular( almost adamant) that the body of the old man should only be attended to by Brahmins (i.e lifting the body to the pyre from home ) Please don't post arguments like whether the doctor/nurse who attended the old man were Brahmins, the ward boys who lifted the body to ambulance were Brahmins etc. It was the old lady's wish that the body once purified be lifted by Brahmins only. This incidence came to us through a common friend and finally we were able to arrange things as per their wish. This only a single incidence were an organization can be useful there are many such things you can do together. So get united get benefited.
 
Organizing any thing is not that easy Renukaji, People who talk about it today, will make it walk one day.. Again, there are already more than 13,500 Brahmin's organization working all over India (This is includes organizations of every state,not TBs only) Around 97 of them are working from Delhi/NCR . I am member of 3 of them and actively participating and contributing whatever little I can. TBs are much comfortable out side TN, I believe, as we find it difficult to find a priest for a domestic function in certain part of TN is very difficult, where as in cities like Delhi, Mumbai etc you can easily find a Tamil priest. We as an organization, help people to fulfill their religious commitment like conducting community function like Aavani Avittom, Janmashtami, Ganesh Chaturthi, Puthandu, Pongal, Diwali or similar functions. We basically work around many Ganesh Temple all around Delhi. We have an idea to start a Veda Pathshala also in NCR in near future. However response to the same is so far been poor. One to one personal contact is all the more important for success of such programs. It is not necessary that you should come to Chennai or any where else for that. You can start these activity from where you are. To begin with you can start making data bank of like minded people around you and start addressing common problems by way of discussing it during a weekly meeting may be on Sundays. This humble beginning would give much desired result later. We all are living in a nuclear family concept now a days. And many of Brahmin friends do not attend community functions or make TB friends. I will conclude this post with a small incidence happened to a TB Family in Delhi a couple of years back. The family was of only four members, an old couple, their son and daughter in-law. The old man was from Tanjore and was a bit religious and also followed "madi" and other acharams. One day the old man passed away. Although the son had many local friends capable of doing anything for him, he lacked the support of TB culture. The old lady was quite particular( almost adamant) that the body of the old man should only be attended to by Brahmins (i.e lifting the body to the pyre from home ) Please don't post arguments like whether the doctor/nurse who attended the old man were Brahmins, the ward boys who lifted the body to ambulance were Brahmins etc. It was the old lady's wish that the body once purified be lifted by Brahmins only. This incidence came to us through a common friend and finally we were able to arrange things as per their wish. This only a single incidence were an organization can be useful there are many such things you can do together. So get united get benefited.

Dear Ganesh ji,

Long long ago in galaxy far far away a group of Jedis wanted to have a round table conference..everyone got excited..planned for a major meeting in Chennai...then God knows what happened after that..then a few Darth Vaders too got into the picture and the Force was NEVER awakened.

So lets hope at least this time some Force Awakens somewhere!LOL
 
The old lady was quite particular( almost adamant) that the body of the old man should only be attended to by Brahmins (i.e lifting the body to the pyre from home ) Please don't post arguments like whether the doctor/nurse who attended the old man were Brahmins, the ward boys who lifted the body to ambulance were Brahmins etc. It was the old lady's wish that the body once purified be lifted by Brahmins only. .

Narayana! I surely wont argue about death sentiments cos its the living who have preferences...dead men do not talk...anyway most men become silent after marriage!LOL
 
Organizing any thing is not that easy Renukaji, People who talk about it today, will make it walk one day.. Again, there are already more than 13,500 Brahmin's organization working all over India (This is includes organizations of every state,not TBs only) Around 97 of them are working from Delhi/NCR . I am member of 3 of them and actively participating and contributing whatever little I can. TBs are much comfortable out side TN, I believe, as we find it difficult to find a priest for a domestic function in certain part of TN is very difficult, where as in cities like Delhi, Mumbai etc you can easily find a Tamil priest. We as an organization, help people to fulfill their religious commitment like conducting community function like Aavani Avittom, Janmashtami, Ganesh Chaturthi, Puthandu, Pongal, Diwali or similar functions. We basically work around many Ganesh Temple all around Delhi. We have an idea to start a Veda Pathshala also in NCR in near future. However response to the same is so far been poor. One to one personal contact is all the more important for success of such programs. It is not necessary that you should come to Chennai or any where else for that. You can start these activity from where you are. To begin with you can start making data bank of like minded people around you and start addressing common problems by way of discussing it during a weekly meeting may be on Sundays. This humble beginning would give much desired result later. We all are living in a nuclear family concept now a days. And many of Brahmin friends do not attend community functions or make TB friends. I will conclude this post with a small incidence happened to a TB Family in Delhi a couple of years back. The family was of only four members, an old couple, their son and daughter in-law. The old man was from Tanjore and was a bit religious and also followed "madi" and other acharams. One day the old man passed away. Although the son had many local friends capable of doing anything for him, he lacked the support of TB culture. The old lady was quite particular( almost adamant) that the body of the old man should only be attended to by Brahmins (i.e lifting the body to the pyre from home ) Please don't post arguments like whether the doctor/nurse who attended the old man were Brahmins, the ward boys who lifted the body to ambulance were Brahmins etc. It was the old lady's wish that the body once purified be lifted by Brahmins only. This incidence came to us through a common friend and finally we were able to arrange things as per their wish. This only a single incidence were an organization can be useful there are many such things you can do together. So get united get benefited.

Well said and practical.
 
So what we can do?

1. Those who are old can start with their children and family. Introduce them to this forum. And encourage them to contribute their thoughts-whatever they may be-and read others thoughts presented here. They can select one or two boys/girls from their family or extended family and start mentoring them without any fanfare quietly. Mentoring can be a powerful change tool. Many youngsters need this service but they do not know where to go for it. Mentoring need not involve financial help. If you are an experienced resource in any particular area, you can train others in need in that area. This can go parallelly with their regular education. You can help youngsters deal with the stress and strain of their studies. If after your mentoring a student who was highly stressed understands that marks are just marks and that there is a lot of other parameters outside the marking system which determine his/her knowledge acquisition. Marks are just a ticket to enter a certain exclusive show. This awareness when it dawns on a student he will be a completely changed and confident individual. He/she will be ever thankful to you for that process which you taught them. This is just one of the many such things that can be done. There are many other areas in which a mentor can play a very helpful role. Please, each of you take under your care atleast two or three mentees to be mentored. That will keep you fully engaged. And that will be very interesting too.

If you are a musician/an instrumentalist/or a successful story writer, please see whether you can mentor your mentee(depending on his/her interest) into a successful musician, instrumentalist or a story writer by teaching him the essentials of these subjects. There is nothing more beautiful and satisfying than seeing a creeper grow with support and blossom.

2. Associate yourself with any local brahmin Association/bhajan mandali/sabha/music sabha/parayana goshti in temple/samooha matom/ sripaatham thaanki group etc., and actively participate in their activities. Slowly and steadily try to cultivate their friendship. After some time when you become confident, put across the idea of conducting classes for the 18/19 year olds among the community in personal hygene and basic psychology by expert teachers from the community itself. For instance a Gyenecologist can teach them about their body and about harmones. A psychologist can teach them even basic transaction analysis so that they can deal with their in-laws when they get married from an adult ego state always. These will equip the youngsters with valuable info for leading a better and more effective life. This is not something new. This is being done by the small but very enterprising syrian christian community in Kerala across the state in all their churches. For them it has been easier to do this because they have clearly demarked structure in the matter of religious and social responsibilities. At the local community level (what they call Idavaka) the pastor of the local church shares his power over the community with the laity council elected by the faithfulls. And all matters pertaining to the idavaka -management of its properties, assets etc., included) is determined by the joint committee. When the idavaka Laity council asks for recall of a local pastor ( a rare occurrence) the Bishop obliges. Can we not bnring such a structure in our community? It may take time but it is certainly possible.

3. And in course of time when the complete confidence of the majority of the community is won, we may move into counselling for marriage, assited dating etc., which are exotic for the present conservative community. They are again a leaf or two taken from the Jews who do this in US.

Other ideas as when they are presented can be added.

A word or two of caution:

1. Our aim should be to remain focussed on the welfare of our community alone. This welfare is inextricably connected to the welfare of other communities in the society. So we should be careful not to have a confrontation with any other community. Being a microscopic minority the consequences will be drastic for us if there is a confrontation.

2. As unity is achieved we should resist the temptation to use that unity for political purposes. It would be better to remain in the background than to be overtly visible in politics because politics anywhere is dirty. The dirt sticks to you. It wont go easily. The system and environment here are largely responsible for that. So let us meticulously keep out of politics.

3. Whatever we do should remain within our community. It should not be for every one to view it in the public domain.

So let every member take a pledge that1. he is going to join the local association and become active with the view to ultimately achieve what we have listed here. 2. he is going to take for mentoring at least three youngsters who are in need. 3. He will never bring in his sampradhaayic differences into the reckoning when he is working for the welfare of the brahmin community.

Otherwise we may have to wait untill the last straw is placed on the back of the camel. LOL. Then the camel will have no options.
 
A word or two of caution:

1. Our aim should be to remain focussed on the welfare of our community alone. This welfare is inextricably connected to the welfare of other communities in the society. So we should be careful not to have a confrontation with any other community. Being a microscopic minority the consequences will be drastic for us if there is a confrontation.

2. As unity is achieved we should resist the temptation to use that unity for political purposes. It would be better to remain in the background than to be overtly visible in politics because politics anywhere is dirty. The dirt sticks to you. It wont go easily. The system and environment here are largely responsible for that. So let us meticulously keep out of politics.

3. Whatever we do should remain within our community. It should not be for every one to view it in the public domain.

So let every member take a pledge that1. he is going to join the local association and become active with the view to ultimately achieve what we have listed here. 2. he is going to take for mentoring at least three youngsters who are in need. 3. He will never bring in his sampradhaayic differences into the reckoning when he is working for the welfare of the brahmin community.

Otherwise we may have to wait untill the last straw is placed on the back of the camel. LOL. Then the camel will have no options.

Brilliant! We need to keep this in mind while venturing into this!
 
............... So let every member take a pledge that

1. he is going to join the local association and become active with the view to ultimately achieve what we have listed here.

2. he is going to take for mentoring at least three youngsters who are in need.

3. He will never bring in his sampradhaayic differences into the reckoning when he is working for the welfare of the brahmin community. ......
Dear Vaagmi Sir,

1. Even in local associations the sampradhAyic differences exist! :sad:

2. Do you think this is possible while many seniors are dependent on their children?

(I always write 'Blessed are those parents who are financially independent. :) )

3. I wonder whether this is possible!

I am not discouraging but I watch people around me.

P.S: The number of members of this forum is based on people joining this. Many have only 0% activity.
 
Dear Vaagmi Sir,

1. Even in local associations the sampradhAyic differences exist! :sad:

2. Do you think this is possible while many seniors are dependent on their children?

(I always write 'Blessed are those parents who are financially independent. :) )

3. I wonder whether this is possible!

I am not discouraging but I watch people around me.

P.S: The number of members of this forum is based on people joining this. Many have only 0% activity.

1. That is natural to people. But I do not believe that every association is vertically divided into two or three and always itching to fight it out to ultimate destruction. Differences are to be recognized and managed. That is possible for a good leadership.

2. Dependent on their children yes. But only perhaps financially. Not for how to spend the eight hours of productive time in a day. For instance let us suppose that you as a music teacher come across a brilliant mind for which music is just natural. It is able to see musical notes in colours (as I have said several times before) just as Beethoven did. Would you not like to mentor that him/her to flower into a musician? If I were in your place, I would give my all to mentor that one individual. I may have several students for whom I may be teaching music and they may be picking it up well too. But this one is the one for whom I am born and for whom I waited for all these years. And I will enjoy every moment of my mentorship because every time the student's face brightens up when he/she understands the nuance as I sing repeatedly, that moment is worth a million rupees for me. Similarly with every mentee. A mentor is the most lucky individual. Mentorship need not involve money/finance at all. It is beyond that. None of my mentees depended on me for money/financial support.

3. One should understand that sAmpradhaayic differences arise out of a desire to interpret correctly. It is okay when we are arguing over a point or two in Vedas/upanishads or their bhashyas. But life here is much more than these interpretations. So it should be possible to seriously differ with some one else on philosophical interpretations and yet be friendly at the transactions level. We do this even in business management at higher levels. That requires just a little bit of maturity. Your sampradhaayam may be different from mine but that will not make you my sworn enemy. We have a common goal.

As I mentioned it requires maturity.

Matured people have no quarels with anyone.

If and when they quarrel it is deliberate for a higher purpose and they understand it so there is no malice there.

P.S. If so the camel will have to wait for the last straw on its back to be placed by the society. LOL.
 
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What to do, Vaagmi Sir!

Even when a story says that Lord Rama worshiped Lord Siva, quotes are searched to prove it wrong! :sad:

As you say, we need maturity! :)

BTW, I will be happy to teach carnatic music to anyone who is financially not sound, if he / she has real talent.

Only point is that I should be accepted as a teacher! :D
 
hi

its not so easy....i atteneded in ******* meeting some yrs back.....i remember in royapettah....some years back..there was

a meeting for ALL INDIA BRAHMIN ASSOCIATION.....we need sponsors and money .....starting with nice educational

facilities and job oriented courses....helping needy poor brahmins...
 
What to do, Vaagmi Sir!

1. Even when a story says that Lord Rama worshiped Lord Siva, quotes are searched to prove it wrong! :sad:

As you say, we need maturity! :)

2. BTW, I will be happy to teach carnatic music to anyone who is financially not sound, if he / she has real talent.

Only point is that I should be accepted as a teacher! :D

RRji,

You and me are on different pages. So there is no use arguing with you. But you have made me add these words below:

1. I reserve my right to question a canard and demand proof whenever it is stated here. That does not mean that I lack maturity or I lose my right to speak for the community. If those who spread the canard think that they are far more matured than me let it be. I do not care.

Even if I am exterminated (you sure remember someone threatened me that way here some time back because I questioned a canard- blood is thicker than water. LOL), I will be on the side of truth. I am alive and kicking and that is sufficient proof that I spoke truth. LOL.

2. Yes. I want that some one to come looking for me and tell me, scratching his head, that he does not have money and request me to teach despite zero payment. Then in all magnanimity I will take him in as a student. My ego is tickled. I am happy, he is happy and every one is happy. The story ends on a high note.

Mentoring is free of such intoxicating fringe benefits. A mentor rather hunts/searches for and remains ever open with his antenna switched on , to receive a mentee. The mentee feels comfortable that he was found by his mentor and he does not have to ask for anything. He has only to find time to spend with his mentor. Mentor understands and gives comfort and knowledge voluntarily as and when the need arises during the long association.

This is without malice.
 
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Dear Vaagmi Ji and RR ji,

What is this guys?

I am extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemly disappointed to read your posts to each other here.

Even the Kauravas and the Pandavas could set aside their differences to fight a common enemy once upon a time in a Yuga far far away.

I will give you guys tips how to work effectively when both parties have a common goal even though their core understanding might be different.

1)Set aside all differences.

2)Seek common uniting factors..in this case both of you are TBs..one might be an Iyer and the other might be an Iyengar..but right now Narayana Vs Shiva or Vs Rama should NOT come into the picture.

3)Work together for benefit of your community.

4)Reach your goal with help from everyone in your community..not only the powerful but also the common person.Remember Lord Rama accepted the help of the small squirrel to build a mighty bridge across the sea.

5)Now most important point..when there is sufficient progress and the community is stable and prosperous plus suffused with sufficient values like in Yesteryugas then you can resume your fight.

Never fight while work is in progress..always post pone it when everyone is in a better state to fight.

Humans need to fight eventually...but not now!LOL
 
Ok..you have your 1st case now to kick into action.

A member posted this in another thread.

I guess Forum members can think of a way of helping out in this case.



[h=2]Need a help for well studing kids[/h]
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Respected sir next to my office i have family friend. He worked as a office assistant in a auditor company. But unfortunately his company is closed 4 months back. And now he is going as a assistant for prohidam. He has too girls kids they are really studying very well. Here i have given the details of those kids. I kindly request if any sponsors willing to help for these kids education please kindly contact the details given below.

Father name Rajani 9677275546

Father occupation Temporarily going as a assistant for vaideekam

Mother occupation house wife.


(Girl 1)


R.Poornashree 7th std at sankara vihyalaya pammal ( Never get 2nd rank until now always 1st )
( Only 3 papers left to be Hindi pandit & she still studying )



1st term fees Rs 15280/-
2nd term fees Rs 3500/-
3rd term fees Rs 3500/-


(Girl 2)


R.Sai Gayathri 1st std at sankara vihyalaya pammal


1st term fees Rs 13310/-
2nd term fees Rs 3000/-
3rd term fees Rs 3000/-




Please kindly help this kids for the studies by any sponsors for their bright future. For any further details please kindly contact me at 9884508508. Thank you. Sairam...​
 
Ok..you have your 1st case now to kick into action.

A member posted this in another thread.

I guess Forum members can think of a way of helping out in this case.



Need a help for well studing kids


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Respected sir next to my office i have family friend. He worked as a office assistant in a auditor company. But unfortunately his company is closed 4 months back. And now he is going as a assistant for prohidam. He has too girls kids they are really studying very well. Here i have given the details of those kids. I kindly request if any sponsors willing to help for these kids education please kindly contact the details given below.

Father name Rajani 9677275546

Father occupation Temporarily going as a assistant for vaideekam

Mother occupation house wife.


(Girl 1)


R.Poornashree 7th std at sankara vihyalaya pammal ( Never get 2nd rank until now always 1st )
( Only 3 papers left to be Hindi pandit & she still studying )



1st term fees Rs 15280/-
2nd term fees Rs 3500/-
3rd term fees Rs 3500/-


(Girl 2)


R.Sai Gayathri 1st std at sankara vihyalaya pammal


1st term fees Rs 13310/-
2nd term fees Rs 3000/-
3rd term fees Rs 3000/-




Please kindly help this kids for the studies by any sponsors for their bright future. For any further details please kindly contact me at 9884508508. Thank you. Sairam...​

Noted. Thanks.
 
I would also want to draw the attention of Rishikeshan Ji for the above post hoping he would be able to rope in others to provide help for the above case.

Other members too should try to help out here.

Get into action and share progress with everyone here.
 
Dear Renu,

Look at the fee structure in schools! I wonder whether our forum can have a common fund to help such people!

Meanwhile I think of what Rajaji (?) told once: There is no use giving fish to someone who is hungry but teach him to fish!

1. Some senior sAsthrigaL could be requested to give more opportunities for the father.

2. Mother can learn to cook delicious food because the payment for half a days kitchen work for ceremonies is Rs. 1,000/- +.

That will help the family's real progress in the long run. Again, who will do these? :noidea:
 
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