Please stop the half baked science and technology including AI

[sravna]

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We have always prided on how we have been creative and inventive in reaching the advances we are seeing today. But are they real advances? A deeper look will say it is the opposite. We have managed to advance only at the expense of mother nature. We have already spoilt earth. With our space missions we are determined to spoil the outer space too. One day or other this will have irreparable and irreversible repercussions. But we are not worried as usual. If something works now we are more than happy with that.

The technology to top it all is AI. After spoiling the physical realm we are seriously into spoiling both the physical and mental realm. Science and technology are indeed welcome but only when the consequences of them are well thought of. In a rush to commercialize and get instant fame we gloss over the consequences and let out half baked science and technology into the market.

When will we learn anything at all?

 

[sravna]

When I talk of space missions I am not talking of the chandrayaan mission but how current science and technology work to the net detriment of society and nature.

There is no hurry. We dont want a singularity of technology by 2030 or so. Let the inventions be well thought out not only of their capabilities to solve a particular problem but also long term and side consequences.

 

[Kashyap.E]

Please stop the half baked science and technology including AI

Political power comes from the barrel of a gun - thoughts of Mao Xedong.
China's dream to rule the world will become a reality through AI engineering - thoughts of Xi Jinping.

At least in India with an ambitious China as neighbour, we just cant afford to ignore AI. We are already lagging behind by several years and in fact there is an immediate need to accelerate

And almost everything in Science starts as less than 10% baked. Progress towards maturity (at least in Science and Tecnology) happens through trial and error. To quote just one example, the earliest computers were created using thousands of vacuum tubes and occupied entire buildings which conked out due to overheating most of the time. If the creators had given up on this as less than half baked, we would not have the reliable laptops and smart phones that we use today.

 

[sravna]

Please stop the half baked science and technology including AI

Political power comes from the barrel of a gun - thoughts of Mao Xedong.
China's dream to rule the world will become a reality through AI engineering - thoughts of Xi Jinping.

At least in India with an ambitious China as neighbour, we just cant afford to ignore AI. We are already lagging behind by several years and in fact there is an immediate need to accelerate

And almost everything in Science starts as less than 10% baked. Progress towards maturity (at least in Science and Tecnology) happens through trial and error. To quote just one example, the earliest computers were created using thousands of vacuum tubes and occupied entire buildings which conked out due to overheating most of the time. If the creators had given up on this as less than half baked, we would not have the reliable laptops and smart phones that we use today.

We dont need laptops or smart phones. We can do away with supercomputers and space missions If we can respect the other persons views and not be immersed in acts of gloating and crass selfishness.

 

[OKO]

We have always prided on how we have been creative and inventive in reaching the advances we are seeing today. But are they real advances? A deeper look will say it is the opposite. We have managed to advance only at the expense of mother nature. We have already spoilt earth. With our space missions we are determined to spoil the outer space too. One day or other this will have irreparable and irreversible repercussions. But we are not worried as usual. If something works now we are more than happy with that.

The technology to top it all is AI. After spoiling the physical realm we are seriously into spoiling both the physical and mental realm. Science and technology are indeed welcome but only when the consequences of them are well thought of. In a rush to commercialize and get instant fame we gloss over the consequences and let out half baked science and technology into the market.

When will we learn anything at all?

Dear Sir, you have failed to understand that all scientific endeavours, in their truest sense, are against Mother Nature. Science (in common parlance, the stream of scientific thought related to natural or material sciences) aims to understand the natural order and then harness its attributes for the innovation of things desired by the human populace.

Your contention does not seem to be much about scientific advancement but rather against the growth of crony capitalism. The idea is that AI and technological advancement in itself are not bad.

Instead, how it manifests in our day-to-day life vis-a-vis companies like Meta, Google, et cetera.

We dont need laptops or smart phones. We can do away with supercomputers and space missions If we can respect the other persons views and not be immersed in acts of gloating and crass selfishness.

Generalisation is not a valid source of argument. Furthermore, you have not explained the reason for your stance regarding this matter.

Gadgets like phones and laptops have become intrinsic to our daily lives, and doing away with them seems a tad far-fetched. The idea is to police the use of these gizmos and, more than anything, the various companies and entities who take advantage of people using these devices. This ranges from corporate companies to shows such as Cocomelon, et cetera.

There is no hurry. We dont want a singularity of technology by 2030 or so. Let the inventions be well thought out not only of their capabilities to solve a particular problem but also long term and side consequences.

This is very much true. Innovation for the sake of innovation is fruitless and we have to channel our resources for what is truly required by the public.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sir, you have failed to understand that all scientific endeavours, in their truest sense, are against Mother Nature. Science (in common parlance, the stream of scientific thought related to natural or material sciences) aims to understand the natural order and then harness its attributes for the innovation of things desired by the human populace.

Your contention does not seem to be much about scientific advancement but rather against the growth of crony capitalism. The idea is that AI and technological advancement in itself are not bad.

Instead, how it manifests in our day-to-day life vis-a-vis companies like Meta, Google, et cetera.

Generalisation is not a valid source of argument. Furthermore, you have not explained the reason for your stance regarding this matter.

Gadgets like phones and laptops have become intrinsic to our daily lives, and doing away with them seems a tad far-fetched. The idea is to police the use of these gizmos and, more than anything, the various companies and entities who take advantage of people using these devices. This ranges from corporate companies to shows such as Cocomelon, et cetera.


This is very much true. Innovation for the sake of innovation is fruitless and we have to channel our resources for what is truly required by the public.

We cant do away with laptops, smart phones I understand. The world needs to do a ulta if we want to.
Dear OKO, my point is one needs to be mature before being handed over any gadget especially smart gadgets. Lets spend some time to work on our mind. how much time are we spending? can we spend at least 7 minutes a day?

 

[renuka]

I am not againsts smartphones and digitalization provided its not compulsory and manual options are still present for those who are not into all this smart technology.

Forcing technology on everyone is not conducive to mental well being.

 

[sravna]

You are correct Renuka. The common wisdom that technology is not bad by itself is correct. But if our mind is wise then it can handle smart technology well. If it is a monkey then what? This is a real problem with technology especially AI being sought to be used for selfish ends.

 

[sravna]

To talk of the capabilities of AI on par with those of humans is ridiculous. At least with regard to potential. Humans are part of nature and interconnected with it. So they can draw upon the enormous power of nature if they use the right approach.

After millennia and millennia AI can barely reach a negligible fraction of that level. Reaching the full capabilities of humans? Only in a dream or in useless chats.

 

[sravna]

A caveat. Humans should realize their potential. Otherwise they will forever remain dumber than AI.

 

[Kashyap.E]

Forcing technology on everyone is not conducive to mental well being.

What I find especially disturbing is that 5 year old kids who should be reaching out for their toothbrush first thing on waking up in the morning are instead going for their parents' smartphones.
Exposing children, who have not reached any level of maturity, to this technology is certainly not conducive to their physical or mental well being

 

[sravna]

What I find especially disturbing is that 5 year old kids who should be reaching out for their toothbrush first thing on waking up in the morning are instead going for their parents' smartphones.
Exposing children, who have not reached any level of maturity, to this technology is certainly not conducive to their physical or mental well being

Well Said

 

[renuka]

What I find especially disturbing is that 5 year old kids who should be reaching out for their toothbrush first thing on waking up in the morning are instead going for their parents' smartphones.
Exposing children, who have not reached any level of maturity, to this technology is certainly not conducive to their physical or mental well being

True..attention span is getting shorter too.
Recently, i read about a movie director in India saying that audience these days have very short attention span and he shoots scenes in short reels to match Tik Tok and Instagram reels.

 

[sravna]

The reality is infinitely deep. So is the depth of intuition. Anything that does not connect with nature can only poorly mimic it. This talk of singularity and such things are crap. An AI that is of the 25th century cannot beat the connectedness of a mosquito. Please don't overestimate yourself.

 

[renuka]

The reality is infinitely deep. So is the depth of intuition. Anything that does not connect with nature can only poorly mimic it. This talk of singularity and such things are crap. An AI that is of the 25th century cannot beat the connectedness of a mosquito. Please don't overestimate yourself.

Recently Bill Gates said that in the future only 3 proffessions will remain and all other jobs will be replaced by AI.
He listed the 3 as
Coders, biologists, and energy experts

I was quite surprised by this.
I do understand that many jobs can be replaced and he did include doctors in the list top

but lets take the medical profession.
Yes some areas of illnesses can be handled by an AI but even then who is liable if there is some complication?
If a human doctor handles a case and something goes wrong..the doc/ hospital etc is liable.
But in case of AI being the doctor..who is liable? Surely you cant sue the AI for malpractice in a court of AI lawyers, AI judge? Whom to sue? The company that made the AI?

Now, next profession..eg lawyers...can AI replace lawyers and judges and a jury?

Will any country allow their president or prime minister to be an AI?

There are many other professions that CAN NOT be replaced by AI.

Bill Gates forgot that the world oldest profession can NOT be replaced by AI unless one is not in the right frame of mind and doesnt mind an AI provider.

 

[sravna]

Renuka,

There is an incredible hype over AI. Since you use the word intelligence it does not become intelligent however hard you try to simulate it. I bet the AI experts themselves dont agree on the definition of intelligence. Anything positive and desirable such as beauty, intelligence, courage , spirituality shines when it spontaneously happens or when it is natural because we are connected with nature and derive our qualities from nature. When we try to invent such qualities we start with incredible ignorance.

Nature is both material and spiritual. When we simulate qualities of nature we simulate its material or disconnected aspects. The real strength of nature comes from its inherent spirituality. We can create the temperature of sun in lab but do we understand and can we simulate the spiritual qualities. Spiritual qualities by definition requires interconnectedness and what do we know of it sitting in a tiny speck of nature called earth?

Yes Renuka I agree the worlds oldest profession cannot be simulated because it needs serious connection!

 

[sravna]

Bliss is because of the connectedness as it is a consummate experience and so you have to be mentally connected to your partner too. Pleasure is mainly physical and you are not satisfied once it is over. You get bored too and look for somewhere else.

 

[sravna]

If you dont believe me tell me how long does it take to become a good math or english teacher? 10 years or may be 20 to 30 years? Now how long does it take to be free of anger or lust or fear? To be spiritual one should not only have intellectual understanding but also be able to practice it. Simulating spirituality is an oxymoron and computers unless the philosophy is fundamentally changed cannot do it.

 

[renuka]

If you dont believe me tell me how long does it take to become a good math or english teacher? 10 years or may be 20 to 30 years? Now how long does it take to be free of anger or lust or fear? To be spiritual one should not only have intellectual understanding but also be able to practice it. Simulating spirituality is an oxymoron and computers unless the philosophy is fundamentally changed cannot do it.

It might take countless lives to be free from anger, lust and fear.

 

[renuka]

 

[sravna]

You become spiritual when you have transcended the six enemies. You just dont learn you live it too. That makes it totally different from becoming analytical or creative. The essence of spirituality is authentic experience. You become connected and there are a lot of consequences. You gain spiritual power, you do the right thing at the right time spontaneously. You cannot mimic spontaneity so easily unless you have real knowledge and use the right resources.

 

[sravna]

Even spiritual power can be mimicked but only at the surface level. There is so much of connectedness to it such power will be used at the right time and at the right place by the right people. But power in the hands of man?

 

[sravna]

Power in the hands of man is maya alone at play mostly only to teach him the right lessons.

 

[sravna]

Spiritual power may be misused but it happens when external forces or nature of times overwhelm spirituality. The quest for spirituality or aligning with nature is always a right quest though sometimes things may go awry because of external factors.

 

[sravna]

But mimicking it by machines with current myopic ideas of science and technology is not possible. It is like saying I have invented something that mimics heart because it pumps and does all the things i see a heart do etc etc. It is very myopic understanding. I believe the heart is connected in some ways to the mind and soul just as other parts of the body and so you cannot simply view it as a physical organ. For all we know the understanding needed may be very complex and nuanced than the understanding of it as only a physical organ.

The heart is where Shree or Lakshmi resides for Lord Srinivasa. Come on, you know nothing and just beginning to scratch the surface. So behave that way