Poonam Pandey

[kunjuppu]

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ok, here are two weblinks to poonam's antics.

Poonam Pandey, Mallya dragged to court on nudity

http://www.sify.com/news/poonam-s-strip-offer-not-for-all-only-team-india-news-national-ledskleijfg.html?sifyoutbrainnewsrecco=obinsite

this young lady, out of good heart, provided yet another incentive for our cricketers to win the world cup .

now we have the moral police after her. more so, they speak, on behalf of the 'brahmin woman' - i presume pandey is a brahmin, whch ofcourse is incidental.

maybe our tambram sisters, daughters, mothers, here in this forum, have a view of their fellow brahmin poonam? do they feel insulted? proud? no comment?

 

[sravna]

Poonam Pandey calls what she does as motivation but let me call this as "self control challenge" to make my point. We need to face this all the time and they need to exist, one, to temper a strong mind further or break a weak mind. Since we are talking of psychological angle, self control exercises might be beneficial with respect to maintaining the calm of the players under intense pressure which these players normally play under. Though I am not sure whether I would recommend practicing self control exercises of this sort, the point is something that induces control in their minds should definitely help the players a long way.

 

[CLN]

Poonam Pandey has declared that what she offered, but yet to be fulfilled, is of "therapeutic value"! But, some how, the Indian Cricket Team, even without undergoing any such therapy, managed to win the Cup. Therapy is generally required only by people who have been afflicted by some thing. If at all any one, it is the Sri Lankan team which fought valiantly but lost, which requires some urgent therapy! So will our comely therapist be large-hearted enough to offer her therapy where it is needed most, viz., to Sangakkara (though he has donned off the captaincy) and his mates!

 

[Iyyarooraan]

I dreamed the WEAKER ones would respond. As always the much maligned sex came out fast. First of all it is cheap American-style publicity. Perhaps outside this Forum the world is waiting without bating an eyelid what she would do. These questions were hot topic decades ago when they said what is wrong in our flaunting what we have that god had given us? (as if men have not been given anything!). Taking the god's name was only to threaten us!? Or perhaps she was trying to hook a sports celebrity. It is a portrayal of the vulgarity of money. They have a world of their own, mind of their own and behaviour of their own.

 

[sangom]

A woman/maiden in the acme of her beauty is IMO something of nature's/God's marvels. Without incurring the wrath of many here, I will like to invite attention to the fact that Krishna also did the boisterous raasaleela (raasa = uproar, noise, din)only with the gopakanyaas, not with the gopas; and our scriptures do not have any female deity reciprocating this to her male devotees. The funny (and ungainly) consequence of this is that bulky, paunchy, bald, male tabras donning sarees dance with equally endowed male Krishnas in some of our bhajans.

Hence if Poonam Pandey is willing, and some young men are willing, and want to enjoy as best as they can, Amen!

 

[kunjuppu]

...The funny (and ungainly) consequence of this is that bulky, paunchy, bald, male tabras donning sarees dance with equally endowed male Krishnas in some of our bhajans.

..........!

imagination is wild!! mine did not fail me. i fell down from my chair laughing, and with pain and stitches in my stomach

... i thought i have seen everything wrt bhajans. obviously i missed the male dressed as gopis. oh well, here is another reason to visit india

 

[biswa]

Controversial topic huh?

It appears that last names and surname based caste assertions are somewhat of a legacy (outdated), ie Pandey => Brahmin
Not sure of how many brahminical acts she has done to claim (or her opponents to claim) her Brahmin status.

Perhaps we should return to the original intent of castes to their occupational categories and name people as such e.g.
Atal Bihari Politician, Srikkanth Cricketer, Raghavchari Computer Programmer, Poonam model or Poonam attention seeker.

Then no controversies about caste, they are in fact doing what they have been named to do.

 

[kunjuppu]

Biswa,

Personally I do not care about the caste of this lady, except that a brahmin group has claimed ownership to that, and hence I thought that this being a forum, though meant to discuss the specific interests of tamil brahmins, could stray a bit from its stated mission, and perhaps meander into the clothes shedding process (which no doubt would be tasteful and worth a feast for one’s eyes) of the said miss pandey.

Sir, by suggesting other surnames, defined by profession, you are indeed trying to distract us from the same miss pandey, which I suspect, that you might be doing out of a desire to preserve the activities of miss pandey out of this forum, and as a result, enjoy her artisitic performance only to yourself.

Which is ok, except that there are many many admirers of miss pandey, including yours truly, and would you be kind enough to procur two tickets for me (& my wife just to safeguard my bodily self in this earth and avoid being despatched to the next by the force of wielding rolling pins which mrs kunjuppu wont to do in times of distress), so that we too can be the select few, who might learn a few tricks of clothes shedding, which our almighty lord Krishna may have missed, during his eternal leelais, and as a result not have been recorded in any of the Krishna leelai narrations to date.

I thank you sir. You may mail the tickets care of Praveen, the owner of this forum, from whom I will pick it up. Thank you again.

Very admiringly yours truly kunjuppu.

 

[B.Krishnamurthy]

After reading Shri.Sangom's post no.5 above,I feel sorry for Swami.Prakasananda Saraswathi (aged 82) a learned Scholar and who has written several books on Hinduism and who declined the offer to occupy the SEAT of Sankaracharya of Jyothirmath for his wrong decision to join
RADHEYKRISHNA movement of Jagat Guru Acharya Kripalu Maharaj of JKP.ORG.Hehas been convicted in a USA court to undergo 12 years of
imprisonment(at the age of 82) on the allegations of his foreign disciples(three ladies)that he has been perhaps touching them for a number of years(molestation in legal parlance)Poor swamiji must be thinking of himself as Lord Krishna having leelas with Gopicaas.

 

[kunjuppu]

BK,

temptations of the opposite sex appear to have no boundaries. i would wish to bring out some mutt cases, but then feelings are pretty raw on that front. personally i have no objection to such feelings, but i do abhor the hypocracy that goes with many such denials.

moreover, i feel sorry for people who corner themselves into a self righteous position, and then do a 180 degree turn of views, when they are forced to confront this in their own family.

why do people wait for misfortune to strike them, before turning into a sympathetic empathetic human? is it the human trait to be naturally critical and cruel?

 

[biswa]

Very good Mr. Kunjuppu!

But have you actually seen a picture of Ms. Pandey? No meat on them bones.

I have a feeling that Mrs. Kunjuppu in her day may well have given Ms. Pandey a run for her money.

But I find you to be a very honest and sincere person Mr. Kunjuppu for speaking your mind. My salutations!

hence I thought that this being a forum, though meant to discuss the specific interests of tamil brahmins, could stray a bit from its stated mission, and perhaps meander into the clothes shedding process (which no doubt would be tasteful and worth a feast for one’s eyes) of the said miss pandey.

two tickets for me (& my wife just to safeguard my bodily self in this earth and avoid being despatched to the next by the force of wielding rolling pins which mrs kunjuppu wont to do in times of distress), so that we too can be the select few, who might learn a few tricks of clothes shedding,

 

[biswa]

This is a well-known phenomenon - whether involving Swamijis in mutts or Archbishops in the Catholic church or sargeants in the military. Power and sexual abuse go hand in hand.

The other human trait you mention is also familiar: notice how many "family value" Republican politicians in the US turn out to be closet gays.

The best we can do is to recognize that any swamiji, or Italian PM or Indian cricketer for that matter is equally subject to the laws of the flesh which can be exploited by some one like Ms. Poonam Pandey. In spy terminology it is called a "honey trap" and is an age-old device to bring down your enemies.

BK,

moreover, i feel sorry for people who corner themselves into a self righteous position, and then do a 180 degree turn of views, when they are forced to confront this in their own family.

 

[CLN]

Poonam Pandey graduated to become an international celebrity by her announcement, which, despite her avowed patriotism towards the country and passion towards Cricket, must be her grand plan. Her next destination, very adroitly hinted by her, is Paris, the "Mecca" of all fashion models, seeing that she has "suggested" to fulfill her "commitment" (of baring it all) to M/s. Dhoni & Co there, to skirt off (pun intended!) of Indian conservative moralistic sensibilities!

By the way, are our members aware that "spooftimes.com", a website which plays a sort of "April Fool" on readers all the 365 days in a year, , has "honored" Poonam Pandey by including her juicy bit of news in their forum news also, along with "Hillary Clinton Also Vows to Strip Naked if Her Favorite Baseball Team Wins" and many others?

 

[renuka]

No big deal actually..after all its just a human body which is bound to be reduced to 5 elements one day..so why not do some good before the date of expiry.
U know I feel she has guts..We need to admire her for that(anyway she has a perfect body too).

If we have noticed so far the moral police esp the female squad who object to even a Miss World Contest most of the while are overweight plain Janes who never really got a chance to be "bad" cos no one offered them a situation to be so and they are down right jealous of any hot looking chick.

Anyway why see this Poonam Pandey chick as a Brahmin girl? Why can't we see her as a gutsy Indian Girl?
When India won the World Cup it was India that won and it was not seen as Brahmin ,Kshatriya, Vaisya or a Sudra players that contributed to the victory.

So if anyone feels Poonam Pandey is a problem..it should be seen as an Indian problem and not a caste based problem.

When India won the cup all cheered irrespective of Caste so why Divide and Rule Now?

anyway check google images..Type Poonam Pandey check out her pics..

 

[Raghy]

I am a bit thick in my head. Poonam Pandey may be fond of Indian Cricket team like so many million others. She said she would bare.... but, she didn't.'Moral police'? come on! Moral police should be busy round the clock fighting agasinst corruption in India; or in India, corruption is not 'immoral' anymore?

Girls going in nude for 'therapeutic' purposes? I can find women by the drove gaining vitamin 'D' (therapeutic) in few different beaches.

This thread talks about nudity without any show of skin. I think we should put some money where our mouth is. I don't know any 'poonam pandey'.. but, I come across few other models in Australia in newspaper/magazine/TV etc. Here are some of the models for a cause.... ( 'exposing some meat' to promote vegetarianism!).

15 Hot (Women) Celebrities that Posed Nude for the Planet - GreenPacks

(Sri.Kunjuppu asked for the women to respond. I think, we all have some streaks of opposite gender in us... the woman in me responds?)!

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

Just a reminder to all..when Rasaleela took place Lord Krishna was a child aged somewhere between 9-10.
I feel our Paramatma should not be degraded as a lusty female seeking object.
Ask yourselves..Does God really desire another human body to satisfy Himself.
To our untrained eye any Leela of God will be viewed through our prejudiced mind with equally prejudiced results.
Its no use saying that"I read about Rasaleela and Krishna's antics in some man written Bhagavatham"becos it could have potrayed Lord Krishna wrongly without understanding the concept of Sayujya.
Why go around praying to God when we Hindus keep repeating this same mistake of insulting our own Poorna Avatar Lord Krishna but hold the Geeta with high esteem?

 

[sangom]

Just a reminder to all..when Rasaleela took place Lord Krishna was a child aged somewhere between 9-10.
I feel our Paramatma should not be degraded as a lusty female seeking object.
Ask yourselves..Does God really desire another human body to satisfy Himself.
To our untrained eye any Leela of God will be viewed through our prejudiced mind with equally prejudiced results.
Its no use saying that"I read about Rasaleela and Krishna's antics in some man written Bhagavatham"becos it could have potrayed Lord Krishna wrongly without understanding the concept of Sayujya.
Why go around praying to God when we Hindus keep repeating this same mistake of insulting our own Poorna Avatar Lord Krishna but hold the Geeta with high esteem?

Smt. Renuka,

You are fully within your rights to hold whatever view you want about Krishna, Radha, Raasaleela etc., and I am not affected by it. But FYI, I have from long ago felt that Krishna is one more crude insertion into Hinduism. I may say I tend to be an agnostic. So, one thing I can say honestly, I don't pray now for the last few years, because the God of religions is pure "mithyaa".

That said, I find that almost all picturisations of raasaleela show Krishna as a twentyish man; considering that lesser mortals two generations ago used to have children by that age, I do not think the excuse of "mere boy" will pass muster. And, if the so-called "bhaktas" who stage the antics described by me, also really contributed to your view that the raasaleela was done when Krishna was just a young boy, why is it that they are not dressing up such young boys (of, say, 10 or 12 years) as their Krishnas? I have been seeing this ugly joke right from the 1950's; at least in those days there were many young, handsome boys who used to attend these bhajans whole time; even then, the underlying idea was "adult" Krishna only.

The weirdest thing about Krishna is that he said he was the supreme godhead and so we have to accept him on his word. (I don't know whether, and, if yes, how Adi Sankara has justified the Parabrahmam from periodically getting a brainwave to take a special form and come down as avataar.) But for the most part of Mahabharata, Krishna comes out as just a prince of the vrishni clan. Arjuna even attempts to kill him and draws out his sword, thinking that Krishna was conniving at a fratricidal war between the Kuru brothers (then the most powerful in the area) so that after their complete extinction the vrishnis can take over the area. Villibharatam plainly says these things as per my secondary source reading.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sangom,

I like what you wrote that you don't pray for the last few years becos the God of religion is Pure Mithya.
Isn't that the highest truth we need to realize? cos even the projection of God is transient and apparently Mithya only till the day we realize that Ekam Advaitam Brahman and prayers are not needed anymore.

 

[sangom]

After reading Shri.Sangom's post no.5 above,I feel sorry for Swami.Prakasananda Saraswathi (aged 82) a learned Scholar and who has written several books on Hinduism and who declined the offer to occupy the SEAT of Sankaracharya of Jyothirmath for his wrong decision to join
RADHEYKRISHNA movement of Jagat Guru Acharya Kripalu Maharaj of JKP.ORG.Hehas been convicted in a USA court to undergo 12 years of
imprisonment(at the age of 82) on the allegations of his foreign disciples(three ladies)that he has been perhaps touching them for a number of years(molestation in legal parlance)Poor swamiji must be thinking of himself as Lord Krishna having leelas with Gopicaas.

Dear Shri Krishnamurthy,

What I write below may already be known to you, in view of your vast experience. Still, just to recapitulate,

The "madhura bhakti" - radhe-krishna ideology, originated from a tantric sect prevalent in the present Orissa-W. Bengal area. that sect is known to history as "sahajeeyas", the vaishnavite counterparts of the Sakta Tantric sect called "choli margis". (Pl. refer "The tribes and castes of the North-Western Provinces and Oudh, Volume 1
By William Crooke", p. 137, about Banaaphar.) The famous Jayadeva who composed Gita Govinda and his brother Vopadeva, who, some scholars opine, was the author of Bhagavatam, were both sahajeeyas probably. This cult was banned by one ruler of Kalinga and then they started using coded communication which will be acceptable. In that process they hit upon Krishna & Radha as the divine figureheads based on which they can communicate in a disguised fashion. In order to bolster this programme the brothers wrote the two texts which established Krishna as the Supreme God at a later date, with interpolations in the original gita in the much more accepted Mahabharata.

The Gitagovindam refers to the erotic state of Radha, which belies the belief held by gullible folks that raasaleela is about a baby or child krishna; if so, why should Radha - who is Krishna's aunt, talking of relation between the two - feel so much "viraha" for a baby? Bhagavatam, I am told, goes still further and talks about "mukh rati" - oral sex - as part of raasaleela (but I haven't verified this).

Some very entreprising scribe went one step more and installed Radha as the co-creator of the universe along with Krishna, in the Brahmavaivarta Purana. "Popular vaiShNava works also refrain from quoting the episodes of rAdhA as described in this purANa. " (see this)

Many of our neo-gurujis take the name of Krishna for whatever their reasons may be. But the more they think themselves to be Krishna, the more risky it becomes for them to maintain their calm, especially when our womenfolk have an inexplicable attraction to such gurujis and throng their ashrams and lectures. That IMO is the bane of hindu religion today.

 

[suraju06]

Ms. Pandey thought she had an asset which is worth exhibiting and also believed that others will like watching it. What is there to find fault with?

 

[suraju06]

Dear Sangom,

I like what you wrote that you don't pray for the last few years becos the God of religion is Pure Mithya.
Isn't that the highest truth we need to realize? cos even the projection of God is transient and apparently Mithya only till the day we realize that Ekam Advaitam Brahman and prayers are not needed anymore.

Dear Renuka,
What is described by Sangom Sir is also a stage which is crossed in course of time as you keep marching in your spiritual journey. The problem is that at each such plateu we come to think that we have finally arrived at the truth. After some time as we put this behind and march further we ourselves wonder how inadequate we were to understand the true state of affairs.

If my words sound hollow or like pure Afrikaans, please march on. You may remember them sometime later.

Cheers.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,
What is described by Sangom Sir is also a stage which is crossed in course of time as you keep marching in your spiritual journey. The problem is that at each such plateu we come to think that we have finally arrived at the truth. After some time as we put this behind and march further we ourselves wonder how inadequate we were to understand the true state of affairs.

If my words sound hollow or like pure Afrikaans, please march on. You may remember them sometime later.

Cheers.

Dear Sir ,
u are right..none of us have arrived anywhere yet..otherwise we wont be typing this here...

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom,

I like what you wrote that you don't pray for the last few years becos the God of religion is Pure Mithya.
Isn't that the highest truth we need to realize? cos even the projection of God is transient and apparently Mithya only till the day we realize that Ekam Advaitam Brahman and prayers are not needed anymore.

Dear Renuka,
What is described by Sangom Sir is also a stage which is crossed in course of time as you keep marching in your spiritual journey. The problem is that at each such plateu we come to think that we have finally arrived at the truth. After some time as we put this behind and march further we ourselves wonder how inadequate we were to understand the true state of affairs.

If my words sound hollow or like pure Afrikaans, please march on. You may remember them sometime later.

Cheers.

Smt Renuka, Shri Raju,

I don't think, nor do I claim, that I have reached any plateau or stage as stated. But I find, from what little I could read and learn about the six darsanas including advaita, that advaita is mere வாய்ப்பந்தல்; Since Sankara had very great debating skills, he has been able to spread a veil of great philosophical heights for his advaitam, which has many hollows in it and is essentially buddhism in a new attractive package. Not for nothing was Sankara called pracchannabauddha, by some scholars. Since his was probably the first philosophy which East India Company's indologists came into contact with in Bengal, and since they apparently found a type of "monism" in it, as opposed to the pantheism of the vedas, the europeans were more attracted to it; they thought that with their monotheistic religion, they would be able to relate more to advaita.

Most religions give a recipe for heaven or liberation, but no verifiable warranty card, except tall claims from people who have an axe to grind, just as we find in tele-marketing of products by paid models. I believe that there is some power which causes this phenomenon called "life" - This power is unknown to Man - and it cannot be known or experienced in any manner whatsoever with the ability given by this life.

 

[happyhindu]

Sangom Sir,

Your post above is very nice. I feel you have come to this stage because your children are settled and possibly you do not have much worries (i maybe wrong though). Those who are young and have worries may find it difficult to let go of praying since praying is like a comfort-zone that can be addictive. A place where they feel they are secure. Hopefully i will also become like you after my children are settlled and am free to explore inside my self.

 

[BALASUBRAMANIANIYER]

Neither to be Proud nor to get insulted with her personal statement. Many people say, many things at the time of excitement. That should not be considered as an issue. India, people need something to come up to make people to forget the main issue.