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Respects to all,

An insightful question/thought. My extremely condensed answer.

Life- what is the need for life at all. The soul seeks solace in a physical body and wants comfort and comes to this 'mother earth'. The eventual purpose is to attain immortality or oneness with the supreme. Till that happens the soul has to play out the karma that it has accumulated over several births and continues to accumulate.

The soul upon release from the body at death, according to Garuda Puranam, is the size of a thumb. Just like cells have receptors and genetic material, the soul has its 'karmic imprint' that it seeks to manifest at a future time. Unfortunately instead of depleting the karmic balance, humans tend to add to the karmic bank and the journey never ends.

The solution - Aasai Arumin Aasai Arumin, eeasnudu aayinum Aasai Arumin. Easier said than done. Those who did that are aplenty in Tamilnadu and include Appar, Sundarar, Ramalingam, Manickavasagar, Nammazhvar to name a few.

From a practical perspective,
1. Do whatever your job/profession is faithfully. This will not help you attain Moksham but let's your mind stay in control and not wander off.
2. Follow your Ishta Devatha. Whoever that may be. SURRENDER. Nothing else works!
3. If you are gifted to have a Guru, then the process of attaining ultimate liberation or Moksha is facilitated

The following link will bring tears to your eyes every time you read it.

Kanchi__Mahan_Purandarakesava

Aum Chivaya Namah

Vish Iyer MS FRCS
 
The concept of rebirth (transmigration of soul) is found only in Bagwad Gita.

It is not found in any other hindu text.

There are many sections among Hindus who do not believe in rebirth.
 

A child prodigy gives the answer! How else do we explain the fact that a three year old child, still in 'mazhalai pEchchu',

is able to find out many difficult rAgams in Carnatic music and a child is able to recite 1330 couplets of ThirukkuraL? :thumb:
 
Brahma Rishi said:
The concept of rebirth (transmigration of soul) is found only in Bagwad Gita.

It is not found in any other hindu text.
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There are many stories about people having been reborn as so & so, etc., in the puranas. In the kalpa texts dealing with "vratas" also the concept of rebirth has been taken for granted. One instance I am sure about is the "Rishi Panchamee" vrata in which the husband's dead parents are reborn as his cows/cattle.

There are many sections among Hindus who do not believe in rebirth.
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This is new info for me. Can you give the names of some of these sections?
 
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dr.venkat said:
People how strongly u believe in rebirth . expain in detail plz.i hav plenty of questions
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Dear Dr. Venkat,

Very difficult to answer this question. First the question itself is ambiguous. It doesn't say rebirth of what and who has to believe? Yes, many more questions will arise, one after another on the basis of answers.If it is a belief, it need not be substantiated with an answer.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
Reincarnation is the religious or philosophical concept that the soul or spirit, after biological death, begins a new life in a new body that may be human, animal or spiritual depending on the moral quality of the previous life's actions. This doctrine is a central tenet of the Indian religions.

In recent decades, many Europeans and North Americans have developed an interest in reincarnation.

Reincarnation – known as Punarjanma – it is one of the core beliefs of Hinduism that is generally accepted by many of its practitioners.
Reincarnation is the natural process of birth, death and rebirth. Hindus believe that the Jiva or Atman (soul) is intrinsically pure. Howevever, because of the layers of I-ness and My-ness, the jiva goes through transmigration in the cycle of births and deaths. Death destroys the physical body, but not the jiva. The jiva is eternal. It takes on another body with respect to its karmas. Every karma produces a result which must be experienced either in this or some future life. As long as the jiva is enveloped in ignorance, it remains attached to material desires and subject to the cycles of births and deaths (Samsara).
There is no permanent heaven or hell in Hinduism. After services in the afterlife, the jiva enters the karma and rebirth system, reborn as an animal, a human or a divinity. This reincarnation continues until mokṣa, the final release, is gained.
We believe the self or soul (atman) repeatedly takes on a physical body.
The Bhagavad Gita states;


Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be. As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from childhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change. (2:12-13)
and,
Worn-out garments are shed by the body; Worn-out bodies are shed by the dweller within the body. New bodies are donned by the dweller, like garments.



Sharing the perspective of Vedanta philosophy on PLR…. This is an Excerpt From: Abhedānanda, Swāmī. “Five Lectures on Reincarnation.” iBooks. :


“Those who wish to satisfy the idle curiosity of their minds may spend their energy by trying to recollect their past lives. But I think it will be much more helpful to us if we devote our time and energy in moulding our future and in trying to be better than we are now, because the recollection of our former condition would only force us to make a bad use of the present.
How unhappy he must be who knows that the wicked deeds of his past life will surely react on him and will bring distress, misery, unhappiness or suffering within a few days or a few months. Such a man would be so restless and unhappy that he would not be able to do any work properly; he would constantly think in what form misery would appear to him. He would not be able to eat or even sleep. He would be most miserable. Therefore we ought to regard it as a great blessing that we do not recollect our past lives and past deeds.
Vedanta says, do not waste your valuable time in thinking of your past lives, do not look backward during the tiresome journey “through the different stages of evolution, always look forward and try first to attain to the highest point of spiritual development; then if you want to know your past lives you will recollect them all. Nothing “will remain unknown to you, the Knower of the universe. When the all-knowing Divine Self will manifest through you, time and space will vanish and past and future will be changed into the eternal present. Then you will say as Sri Krishna said to Arjuna, in the “Bhagavad Gita:” “Both you and I have passed through many lives; you do not recollect any, but I know them all.” (Ch. iv., 5.)”
 
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Bhagavad gita as it is 2.13

Sri Krishna Says

"As the embodied soul continuously passes, in this body, from boyhood to youth to old age, the soul similarly passes into another body at death. A sober person is not bewildered by such a change."~


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sangom said:
There are many stories about people having been reborn as so & so, etc., in the puranas. In the kalpa texts dealing with "vratas" also the concept of rebirth has been taken for granted. One instance I am sure about is the "Rishi Panchamee" vrata in which the husband's dead parents are reborn as his cows/cattle.



This is new info for me. Can you give the names of some of these sections?
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The J.Krishnamurthy ites and OSHO ites do not believe in rebirth. The Aurobindo ites among bengali brahmins do not believe in rebirth.

My fellow Rishi Valley ites do not believe in rebirth. And there are many other sections and the list is long.

Are only Hindus re-born?


If every birth of a person is a rebirth in turn, which is the absolute first birth? How does rebirth account for the population of the world?
 
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Nara said:
Dear Mrs. RR, this child seems to have a prodigeous ability to memorize stuff. If this ability is proof that she is a Tamil scholar reborn, then she should exhibit real scholarship, such as giving scholarly lectures on these Kurals, no?.........
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Dear Prof. Sir,

May be she is not a Tamil scholar reborn; but some one with a very good memory reborn! :cool:

You must be knowing the phrase in Tamil, 'vitta kuRai; thotta kuRai'!

Most of the Carnatic music lovers think that Sri. Ravi Kiran, Chithraveena artist is the next birth

taken by his grand father Sri. Narayana Iyengar! :thumb:

Grandfather and grandson:

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Your post #16. You are right, lot of people say that about Ravi Kiran. So I asked him. He said his father trained him from the time he was a baby. Apparently his siblings Sashikiran, Kiranavali and his cousin Ganesh who were all trained by his father also exhibited the same talent. But somehow only Ravi Kiran got the genius/prodigy title. This is from the horse's mouth.

K. Kumar
 

Dear Kumar Sir,

Thanks for your reply. I was the most petted granddaughter in our family! You know why?

My grandpa always thought that I was grandma's soul born in the same family! :baby:

One of the cousin sisters of my dad commented on seeing me, when I was about 10 years old,

'Chandrappaa! ivaL ChuppaiyaattamE irukkaaLEy'!! :D

P.S: Dad's full name is Ramachandran (ChandrappA) and grandma's name is Subbulakshmi (Chuppai)
 
Nara said:
Dear Mrs. RR, this child seems to have a prodigeous ability to memorize stuff. If this ability is proof that she is a Tamil scholar reborn, then she should exhibit real scholarship, such as giving scholarly lectures on these Kurals, no?

with best wishes, Dileepan
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Dear Nara,

Welcome back to TBF! I was really missing you.
 
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