Saraswathi Statue in USA

[amala]

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what is this Raji mami? sounds like you are taking a dig at someone :sad:

 

[Raji Ram]

what is this Raji mami? sounds like you are taking a dig at someone

Dear Amala,

Don't we have both dear theists and dear atheists in our forum? :grouphug:

 

[Nara]

kallai mattum kandaal

This was one of the worst movies I sat through, only to be topped with the recent one, what is it called, he is supposed to have spent a boat load of money on it, what a waste ...

 

[Nara]

Saraswati appeared in USA, but (pun not intended) Jesus appears where, well read it for yourself ....fair warning, it is teenage silly, wonder what our Hindutva diehards would say if it was one of their gods .....

click here

 

[Raji Ram]

This was one of the worst movies I sat through, only to be topped with the recent one, what is it called, he is supposed to have spent a boat load of money on it, what a waste ...

Dear Prof. Sir,

You are very patient! I could NOT watch that movie for more than one hour!

None of the faces with make-up was tolerable, esp the pAtti and the tall guy!

I did not see the recent movie. The trailer was good enough to keep me away!

 

[Raji Ram]

Saraswati appeared in USA, but (pun not intended) Jesus appears where, well read it for yourself ........

adak kadavuLE! Oh well.... O! Jesus!!

 

[renuka]

hi
avanu......

Dear TBS garu,

What is this??? You are writing Telugu without giving us any translation!LOL

I have a doubt here..last time you said that you learned Telugu cos you like a Telugu Brahmin girl and in this thread you said you went to church..I am wondering may be you learnt English from some Anglo girl in the church!

Too bad yaar you did not go to a mosque otherwise you could have learnt Arabic too.


BTW TBS garu...give translation for Telugu too...my Telugu knowledge is very very very bad..all I know is:


raa raa sarasaku rara
raa raa chentaku chaera
praName needira aelukoraa dora
swaasalo swaasavai raa raa

 

[tbs]

Dear TBS garu,

What is this??? You are writing Telugu without giving us any translation!LOL

I have a doubt here..last time you said that you learned Telugu cos you like a Telugu Brahmin girl and in this thread you said you went to church..I am wondering may be you learnt English from some Anglo girl in the church!

Too bad yaar you did not go to a mosque otherwise you could have learnt Arabic too.


BTW TBS garu...give translation for Telugu too...my Telugu knowledge is very very very bad..all I know is:


raa raa sarasaku rara
raa raa chentaku chaera
praName needira aelukoraa dora
swaasalo swaasavai raa raa

hi

avanu...means OKAY.....YEAH...... i can translate it......but i dont want...becoz my translation males some other additional meanings...

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Renu

Your post # 24

This has been around for about 5 years - maybe it'll throw some light on the subject

[ I hope you are able to view it ]



Dis s' d real explanation of dasavatharam...........

Yay Yem

 

[Raji Ram]

As far as I know 'Avanu' in Telugu means 'yes'. ('AmAm' in Tamil)

 

[zebra16]

Tamil Shaivites are invariably followers of Adi Shankara and therefore subscribe to the Advaitic vision of the world.

Though this is the common perception, it is surprising that knowledgeable persons also hold similar views. Saiva Siddhantam is a different philosophy in itself. Though it may run parallel to Advaita in some or many aspects, Saiva Siddhantam does not owe any allegiance to Adi Sankara.

In as much as I don’t subscribe to the premise behind this explanation, namely, there is a god who cares for human beings, I find the arguments about broadmindedness in praying quite hilarious.

I find it equally hilarious and ludicrous that after saying "IshAvAsya idham sarvam" one should seek only mukti from Sriman Narayana thereby implying that the other things of Ishwara can be grabbed at will without seeking or asking it from Him. But I would leave him (the believer) to his own beliefs and not laugh or make fun of his beliefs once I am convinced that the basic premise is fundamentally flawed.

 

[sarang]

Some vaishnavites may be reborn as atheists or some born vaishnavites may become atheists; former is film fiction, latter is real.

Kamal born as a vaishnavite has turned into a hindu atheist (gods of other religions exist for him); asin, a born christian acts as a vaihnavite, but has not changed because of the role. She refused to become a 'peta protagonist' because she is a staunch meat eater. She stood by her values in life.

Dear RR ji,


I fail to understand the movie Dashaavataram...It implies as if the Vaishanava Priest and his wife were reborn as Kamal the scientist and Asin.

You see in his previous life in the movie Kamal the priest gave up his life and drowned with the Vishnu statue but in the present life as Kamal the scientist he is an Atheist.

Does not make sense right???

So I really wonder why the movie was sort of implying that the priest was born again as the atheist??

 

[Nara]

Dear Zebra, I am responding with not a small dose of trepidation, I have seen how you can dish out choice epithets with flair, please spare me if I irk you, I apologize in advance.

Though this is the common perception, it is surprising that knowledgeable persons also hold similar views. Saiva Siddhantam is a different philosophy in itself. Though it may run parallel to Advaita in some or many aspects, Saiva Siddhantam does not owe any allegiance to Adi Sankara.

Of course, that is why I said “invariably”. The Saiva Siddantha stalwarts like Maraimalai Adigal, Ma.Po.Si, etc. were virulently against Brahminism and would never accept Adi Shankara. Further, Adi Shankara himself was a Vaishnava, for him Ishwara was Narayana.

One correction I would make to my original post is to add the word "today", as "Today, the Tamil Saivites are invariably ....." Also, today, even the followers of Maraimalai Adigal's brand of Saiva SIddantham have lost their cutting animosity against Brahminism and so I suspect they accept the leadership of Shankara Matam as a Saiva institution like other Saiva Adeenams.

I find it equally hilarious and ludicrous that after saying "IshAvAsya idham sarvam" one should seek only mukti from Sriman Narayana thereby implying that the other things of Ishwara can be grabbed at will without seeking or asking it from Him. But I would leave him (the believer) to his own beliefs and not laugh or make fun of his beliefs once I am convinced that the basic premise is fundamentally flawed.

I fail to understand why I must forfeit the right to participate in a discussion of, or even to make fun of, the consequent beliefs and actions of a premise if I don't accept it.

Be that as it may .....

I think you have misunderstood me, I was not mocking the belief of others even though it is mock-worthy -- to each his/her own. What was amusing to me is this concept of broadmindedness towards praying to gods. If all gods are the same then where is the question of broadmindedness, and if the gods are not all the same and have competing claims to authority, then being broadminded seems foolhardy, a sort of insult in the same way as the Lankans not trusting the Brhmmastram to do the job on Hanuman and in the process annulled the Brahmastram.

So, paraphrasing your words a little -- I think those who think they are broadminded in worship may leave the believers in exclusive worship of one god alone and not put them down as narrow-minded.

Cheers!

 

[Govinda]

How is atheism rational and logical ?

.<snipped>.. starting from an irrational premise that there is an Ishwara and he cares for human beings. best, Dileepan

Dear Mr. Dileepan, Can you precisely explain how your statement above is logical and rational ? Hoping you would provide us some true and honest enlightenment . Thank you, Regards, Govinda.

 

[Nara]

Dear Mr. Dileepan, Can you precisely explain how your statement above is logical and rational ? Hoping you would provide us some true and honest enlightenment . Thank you, Regards, Govinda.

I have given my logical and rational explanations for this many times in the past. Many have not accepted my explanations and that is fine. I am not going to open this Pandora's box again. If you wish you could go back and read some of my past posts.

best, Dileepan

 

[vgane]

Indonesia has Sanskrit/Hindu inflence for over 2000 years...People sport Hindu names (Even Christian/Muslims) ...Rama, Lakshmana, Surya, Wisnu, Dewi are common names ...Besides Balinese, Sundanese and Javanese also have these names

I was in Jakarta recently...I could find a couple of Ramayana names in Company Name plates...Their national air carrier is Garuda Indonesia

In one of forests (Taman Safari) teaming with wildlife I could find a few dilapidated temples

Jakarta has one known Shiva temple where people of all Hindu faiths worship..It has deities of Tirupati Balaji, Anjaneya, Rama, Saibaba and also Gurunanak...A very peaceful & harmonious place...When I had gone Pradosham was on

 

[Govinda]

I have given my logical and rational explanations for this many times in the past. Many have not accepted my explanations and that is fine. I am not going to open this Pandora's box again. If you wish you could go back and read some of my past posts.

best, Dileepan

I was hoping to see a simple and quick logical explanation on
how the Atheist is so sure an Ishwara does not exist.

If Atheism were naturally true like Gravitation, repeated explanations would not have
been necessary and the world would already have been free of relgions by now.

Thank you for replying anyway.

-- Govinda

 

[sarang]

In one tv show, Ilayaraja (guest) asked anu hasan (host) whether she believed in God; she said no as she is an atheist, and believes that there is no god. Ilayaraja quipped - so you are a also a believer, and you have a belief system.

I was hoping to see a simple and quick logical explanation on
how the Atheist is so sure an Ishwara does not exist.

If Atheism were naturally true like Gravitation, repeated explanations would not have
been necessary and the world would already have been free of relgions by now.

Thank you for replying anyway.

-- Govinda

 

[renuka]

In one tv show, Ilayaraja (guest) asked anu hasan (host) whether she believed in God; she said no as she is an atheist, and believes that there is no god. Ilayaraja quipped - so you are a also a believer, and you have a belief system.

Dear Sarang ji,


A friend of mine told me he saw a guy wearing a T Shirt that read : I was an Atheist Until I Realized I was God"

BTW why so many Atheist in the Kamal Hassans family circle??/ I wonder why??

 

[C RAVI]

There is nothing to wonder!!!


It is a fashion among many Celebrities, Politicians and Educated folks from other walks of life who all have scaled high in their life, professionally and materialistically, to publicly express themselves as Atheists.

These people are of the opinion and are scared that, IF they say they believe in God and Spirituality, the public would not give 100% credit to their potentials, that carried them all the way to dwell high.

 

[sarang]

May be because association with other atheists, intellectual arrogance that all early achievement is by self effort, high iq, low eq, very low sq. The good thing is, their next generation become staunch theists - both in kamal's and karunanidhi's case. EVR daughter by first wife died at a young age. I am sure she would have rebelled and escaped atheism.

Dear Sarang ji,


A friend of mine told me he saw a guy wearing a T Shirt that read : I was an Atheist Until I Realized I was God"

BTW why so many Atheist in the Kamal Hassans family circle??/ I wonder why??

 

[Nara]

I was hoping to see a simple and quick logical explanation on
how the Atheist is so sure an Ishwara does not exist.

If Atheism were naturally true like Gravitation, repeated explanations would not have
been necessary and the world would already have been free of relgions by now.

Govinda, I have discussed this topic at length and provided a long list of arguments and citations. As I stated in my first post explaining why SV's are strictly exclusive in worship, I have no wish to reopen the discussion of the existence of Ishwara and repeat the same old arguments. Logical explanations are all there, all you have to do is go back and read them.

One more thing, and this one is directed to all those who are making comments about atheists ....

I am atheist, I don't think there is any evidence or rational argument in favor of believing in the existence of supernatural entity, there is no super power that cares about us. If anyone wants to believe in such an entity, my parents, my wife, my children, or any one of you guys, that is fine by me. But, I am not taking this bait of constant trolling, spiteful speculations, snide remarks and put downs, thank you very much.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear All,

In my post no.45, I have said that "MANY" Public figures (Celebrities, Politicians, other Successful folks) are just showing off themselves as a atheists in Public, as a fashion and to claim total credit for their endeavors with out any spiritual blessings, while being a Theist in their real private life.

This has nothing to do with constant trolling, spiteful speculations, snide remarks and putting down True Atheists in General and the true Atheists in this Forum.

 

[C RAVI]

.....there is no super power that cares about us.

Super power need not to care about us. We would get good or bad as per our Karma and for that we got to care our self. We Surrender ourselves to Super Spiritual Energies with belief and devotion, expecting the resultant positive spiritual vibes to help reforming our inner self for better and guide us towards managing with our Karma.

 

[biswa]

Ravi ji,

I think your point is well taken. Similarly, publicly devotional people do all sorts of ungodly things in real life. Example # 1 Nithyananda.

In anonymous internet forums like this, people often invent a persona (sometimes multiple) to provoke people and prolong a debate. They are likely to be quite different in real life.

In my case, I certainly haven't realized the ultimate truth, but I know my beliefs have changed over time, which means my perceptions about the truth have changed as well.

Anybody who claims that they know the ultimate truth, is either supremely arrogant, or is God himself. Or at least, they might well be the God of all atheists!