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Never knew the full impact of this till i was in my mid twenties. used to see the vadhiar in various stages of hirsuteness and would not give much thought to it. let alone the extent of this.

in my grand parents' home, the athai patti, used to have the barber once a month, to shave the head only. i think cannot imagine sarvangam performed on widowed ladies.

anyway, here is an interview on one who does sarvangam these days. thankfully the profession dies with him. God Bless.


IdlyVadai -
 

Five days have gone and no reply so far! Does it mean that if the article is in Tamil, members will :tape: ??

I asked in our forum sometime back, why only the checking a tambram bride is done by the 'nAththanAr' by dressing her up

in 'madisAr', where as the groom is dressed up by his family vAdhyAr. After reading this article, I understand that the checking

of the groom was also done by the person who does 'sarvAngam'!! But, I wonder whether any wedding was stopped after getting

a negative report about the groom!

Anyway, I am glad that the next generation has NOT taken up this profession. :cool:
 
All jatis have migrated to different more profitable professions. Whole body waxing is more rewarding in monetary terms; 'sarvanga kshavaram' may too come back into vogue if the compensation is attractive and there is a demand.

What is important is not to look down on any profession. Why one should object to any profession including comfort services?

Raji Ram said:

Five days have gone and no reply so far! Does it mean that if the article is in Tamil, members will :tape: ??

I asked in our forum sometime back, why only the checking a tambram bride is done by the 'nAththanAr' by dressing her up

in 'madisAr', where as the groom is dressed up by his family vAdhyAr. After reading this article, I understand that the checking

of the groom was also done by the person who does 'sarvAngam'!! But, I wonder whether any wedding was stopped after getting

a negative report about the groom!

Anyway, I am glad that the next generation has NOT taken up this profession. :cool:
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The Kanchi AcharyA looks so happy in this video. Thank you TBS Sir for posting it. :)

P.S: I like the way Smt. Sushma dresses up in saree and sweater combination! :thumb:
 
sarang said:
......... What is important is not to look down on any profession. Why one should object to any profession including comfort services?
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Dear Sarang Sir,

I am not looking down on any profession. But the person in that article does not seem to earn much for his services!

In the U S of A, even those who clean up the rest rooms in public places dress up so well . Many ladies are charming! :)

Here in India, there exists 'dignity of labour' and we can not deny it.


An alliance came for my son, when we were searching for his match a few years back, from a sAsthrigaL settled in Mumbai.

When we told him that we can not proceed, he got so annoyed and told us that he is very popular. His name is known to

every brahmin in Mumbai and we should be proud to have him as our 'sambandhi'!! Later on, I met him in another wedding

in Sing. Chennai. But I did not dare to go near him and say that I am Mrs. R R! :fear: . . . :D
 
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hi madam,

this video is better than ......must listen.....

SIES_15th_NEA Awards.flv - YouTube
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With due respect to Sanskrit, I feel that the high praise given to it by Smt. Sushma Swaraj, is a little too much. Sanskrit is not the only language having phonetic script; almost all other Indian languages as also some other languages of the world have similar scripts so that one writes exactly what one hears, reads and reproduces the same sounds that were spoken, with great reliability.

On the contrary, sanskrit has some disadvantages which have made it unsuitable for a computer language. I am not an expert on the subject but from whatever I have read, I think one main reason is that in Sanskrit most words have many meanings. For example, the word "hari" has the following meanings as per MMW Dictionary:—

green, greenish yellow, yellow ; reddish brown, bay, tawny ;
m. green (the colour); a yellow or golden colour;
a reddish brown or tawny colour ; N. of Vishnu ;
of Krishna (regarded as identical with Vishnu); of
Siva ; of Brahma ; of Indra ; of Yama ; a man,
people ; N. of the Soma; a stone for crushing the Soma; the
moon; the sun; a ray of light; fire; wind, air; a
horse; a bay horse, horse of Indra.

Very many similar examples can be found and hence the computer-scientists found Sanskrit is not the best suited language for computer or speaking computer.

The problem/s with English in this respect seem to be less and that is why we now have software that can be installed in a PC so that it will become voice-interactive and can therefore be used by the visually handicapped who are familiar with the qwerty key board.
 
kunjuppu said:
Never knew the full impact of this till i was in my mid twenties. used to see the vadhiar in various stages of hirsuteness and would not give much thought to it. let alone the extent of this.

in my grand parents' home, the athai patti, used to have the barber once a month, to shave the head only. i think cannot imagine sarvangam performed on widowed ladies.

anyway, here is an interview on one who does sarvangam these days. thankfully the profession dies with him. God Bless.


IdlyVadai -
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Dear Kunjuppu,

This "sarvAnga kshouram" for males is prescribed by our Dharma Sastras on certain occasions. One that readily comes to mind is before performing the obsequies for one's parent. But it was common, hush-hush knowledge that many tabra males used to have this practice in those olden days when the barber used to come home for hair-cut (maintaining the kudumi, that is) and shaving the face.

As for females, at least among the Malayali elitist families, the washerwoman it was who played the role of the "barbery" ;) especially when a woman was pregnant so that her pubic area was maintained clean for the delivery time. I don't know whether this sort of help was taken by tabras in Kerala/Travancore area.
 
Samskrit is an object oriented language. From simple roots, new words can be generated attaching properties - purpose, function, location, growth etc. In simple terms, many words in samskrit are objects with properties attached.

If her advice is followed - computer programmers with a sound knowledge base of samskrit can approach basic and application programming from a new direction.

It is for the software experts to learn samskrit and decide. This was emphasised by Sushma Swaraj. People with low opinion of everything in sanatana dharma will not appreciate the treasure we have in language, culture, tradition and energy.



sangom said:
With due respect to Sanskrit, I feel that the high praise given to it by Smt. Sushma Swaraj, is a little too much. Sanskrit is not the only language having phonetic script; almost all other Indian languages as also some other languages of the world have similar scripts so that one writes exactly what one hears, reads and reproduces the same sounds that were spoken, with great reliability.

On the contrary, sanskrit has some disadvantages which have made it unsuitable for a computer language. I am not an expert on the subject but from whatever I have read, I think one main reason is that in Sanskrit most words have many meanings. For example, the word "hari" has the following meanings as per MMW Dictionary:—

green, greenish yellow, yellow ; reddish brown, bay, tawny ;
m. green (the colour); a yellow or golden colour;
a reddish brown or tawny colour ; N. of Vishnu ;
of Krishna (regarded as identical with Vishnu); of
Siva ; of Brahma ; of Indra ; of Yama ; a man,
people ; N. of the Soma; a stone for crushing the Soma; the
moon; the sun; a ray of light; fire; wind, air; a
horse; a bay horse, horse of Indra.

Very many similar examples can be found and hence the computer-scientists found Sanskrit is not the best suited language for computer or speaking computer.

The problem/s with English in this respect seem to be less and that is why we now have software that can be installed in a PC so that it will become voice-interactive and can therefore be used by the visually handicapped who are familiar with the qwerty key board.
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It is the plight of the nurses to do 'that' cleaning for the :preggers: ladies, who do NOT keep themselves clean!

Poor souls!
 
kunjuppu said:
Never knew the full impact of this till i was in my mid twenties. used to see the vadhiar in various stages of hirsuteness and would not give much thought to it. let alone the extent of this.

in my grand parents' home, the athai patti, used to have the barber once a month, to shave the head only. i think cannot imagine sarvangam performed on widowed ladies.

anyway, here is an interview on one who does sarvangam these days. thankfully the profession dies with him. God Bless.


IdlyVadai -
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kunjuppu Sir

Felt very sorry for that barber.
I don't think nowadays Saloon barbers do this.
 

When my mother underwent cataract surgery, a nurse came to cut off the eye lashes hours before the surgery!

Now a days, they don't do it.

When Ram worked in Hindustan Motors, there was a compulsory ECG camp and all the high officials got ECG done

at office premises. I was rather shocked to see Ram with a clean shaven chest, that evening! This happened about

25 years back. During the recent test, such a procedure was not done. May be now they have better gels to use! :thumb:
 
With due respect to Sanskrit, I feel that the high praise given to it by Smt. Sushma Swaraj, is a little too much. Sanskrit is not the only language having phonetic script; almost all other Indian languages as also some other [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]languages of the world[/COLOR] have similar scripts so that one writes exactly what one hears, reads and reproduces the same sounds that were spoken, with great reliability.
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Most of the languages have a script/lipi which represents sounds only and hence can be called phonetic. The bubbling of an idea in the depth of the mind moves towards a phonetic expression first and then only gets converted to lipi for communication to some one who is not in the visual/audible range. There is nothing great about that. What makes Sanskrit ideal for computing is the syntax. Sanskrit has a syntax which is very friendly for writing algorithms. Algorithms represent in syntax the logical flow of commands to the machine which are ultimately converted into binary strings by the machine before execution. Sanskrit has rules of syntax which are superior to many other languages and writing an algorithm is that much easier in sanskrit. This is what has been stressed by many people who know sanskrit as well as writing programmes for a computer.

On the contrary, sanskrit has some disadvantages which have made it unsuitable for a computer language. I am not an expert on the subject but from whatever I have read, I think one main reason is that in Sanskrit most words have many meanings. For example, the word "hari" has the following meanings as per MMW Dictionary:—
green, greenish yellow, yellow ; reddish brown, bay, tawny ;
m. green (the colour); a yellow or golden colour;
a reddish brown or tawny colour ; N. of Vishnu ;
of Krishna (regarded as identical with Vishnu); of
Siva ; of Brahma ; of Indra ; of Yama ; a man,
people ; N. of the [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]Soma[/COLOR]; a stone for crushing the Soma; the
moon; the sun; a ray of light; fire; wind, air; a
horse; a bay horse, horse of Indra.
Very many similar examples can be found and hence the computer-scientists found Sanskrit is not the best suited language for computer or speaking computer.
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This is like in English we have knight and night. Algorithms can be written which can take care of such multiple meanings. What is involved is iteration, which can be done several times in a micro second in computer environment. So the multiple meanings is a very minor problem in speech recognition.

The problem/s with English in this respect seem to be less and that is why we now have software that can be installed in a PC so that it will become voice-interactive and can therefore be used by the visually handicapped who are familiar with the qwerty key board.
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We started with English and we are continuing with it. If we had started with sanskrit it would have been far better. Chinese make do with chinese/cantonese and they are happy with it.

Personally, I am one, who is not satisfied with any of the existing languages for ease of expression of ideas. They involve a lot of avoidable effort. I would love to have a language in which I do not have to read a volume of 200/300 pages to enjoy a novel. A novel should take maximum of just 1 or 2 pages. That would be a language in which pictographs will play a major role instead of letters, words and sentences, leaving a lot of imagining and understanding to be done by the reading mind. I thought Cantonese may be a starting point. But when I started learning Cantonese I found that it was again a "language". Another one with its own rules of syntax, letters, words and sentences. Any way it was beyond me and so I gave it up.

Cheers.
 
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It should be addressed to modern girls who rely on self-help. Dignity of labour? We are eliminating the labour in order to preserve his dignity? When labour itself is not there why talk of his dignity. Thus dignity is within us.
 
sarang said:
All jatis have migrated to different more profitable professions. Whole body waxing is more rewarding in monetary terms; 'sarvanga kshavaram' may too come back into vogue if the compensation is attractive and there is a demand.

What is important is not to look down on any profession. Why one should object to any profession including comfort services?
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dear sarang

may i pleasantly surprise you, that sarvangam is very much in vogue with certain western males.

all competitive swimmers including olympians do this. mainly to remove any residual resistance due to hair particles. when your winning margin is the thousandth of a second, a few tiny hairs (or absence of it) can make make a difference between the champion and #2 !!

also, today's male models do a complete hair removal particularly for swimwear ads and such. but what i have heard, is that many males in the west, as a matter of fact, remove body hair.

in that way, the chinese men are lucky. most of them, apart from that shaggy mop at the top of the nut, dont appear to have any fluff bar a sparse whisker lining up their jewels.

for women in the west, it is publicly advertized product. it is called Brazilian or something like that i believe. more than that, i will leave it to your imagination. have a great reverie :) :) :)
 
hi
when i was young boy in veda patasala....i used see my veda vadyaars used to do SARVANGAM every month...i used to

in agraharam house THINNAI.... i used to very curious abt this kind of sarvangam in fron of the house thinnai openly.....

i feel sad too abt the barber.....but that is the custom made by us...i hate sarvangam always.....
 

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OK!
Only now I get it what this Sarvangam is all about??

When I first read this thread... this line Sarvange Harichandanam ca Kalayan came to my mind and only now I know it means hair removal!LOL

So it's a discussion all about the M word!(A Tamil word starting with the letter M)

Anyway what is the big deal to shave one's own body that we need to get a barber to do it?

Don't people know how to use razors??
 
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Dear Renu,

Welcome to this discussion! :)

Till I got the ball rolling, the forum was very quite in this thread for five days! May be because Tamil articles posted are not

read! It was a practice to remove hair from the body once in a month (only) and as per that article, the man says that he

gets clients from very few houses and temples. His children are educated to find out better jobs. Since the back portion of

the body is out of reach, those in 'that' profession were sought, imho!

I used to wonder how all swimmers are like 'veLLai pallis'! After reading Kunjuppu Sir's post I know why it is so! :lol:
 
Raji Ram said:

Dear Renu,

Welcome to this discussion! :)

Till I got the ball rolling, the forum was very quite in this thread for five days! May be because Tamil articles posted are not

read! It was a practice to remove hair from the body once in a month (only) and as per that article, the man says that he

gets clients from very few houses and temples. His children are educated to find out better jobs. Since the back portion of

the body is out of reach, those in 'that' profession were sought, imho!

I used to wonder how all swimmers are like 'veLLai pallis'! After reading Kunjuppu Sir's post I know why it is so! :lol:
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Dear RR ji,

I have noted that people who have very less body hair or silky smooth hairless skin usually have very rough coconut husk like hair in some other region.
And those with normal amount of body hair have softer hair.

I guess nature balances out!LOL

This observation I noted during my internship year conducting deliveries as a MBBS.
 
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