Science, Rituals, Jyothisham, Vaastu etc

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Post in thread 'Sani Peyarchi 2025 - Need clarification'

Tuesday at 7:21 AM

Anyone is entitled to believes. This post is only about a comment that is not correct and not with the main question which others are responding. In particular the quote from opening post is this

"Modern day science merely assumes the Big Bang (the period before this assumed event, they cannot explain). With the Big Bang as ground zero, everything else is purported to fall in place. No disrespect to science but there are things Science just cannot explain."

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No real scientist claims to have a complete explanation for everything. Science seeks to answer the "how" in a given...

• a-TB

This is follow up to the above post. I did not want to hijack that thread. . What was posted there is this . Next post will add to this starting point

No real scientist claims to have a complete explanation for everything. Science seeks to answer the "how" in a given context, rather than the "why." In fact, the deeper something is researched, the more questions arise. The Big Bang is a hypothesis, and nothing is definitively known about the moments immediately following this event. Speculations exist about events occurring 10^-36 seconds after the Big Bang, but theories like inflation are now being re-evaluated or disproven. Much of this information is available to provide laypeople with a general understanding. (I am not from a scientific background.)

There are also hypotheses suggesting an infinite number of universes. However, the existence of a hypothesis does not make it correct. Some individuals in the field of science treat their work like a belief system, akin to religion, and bring their own ideologies into their interpretations. However, such individuals are not representative of real scientific inquiry.

So, what is science? It is essentially the scientific method—a process of investigation. Interestingly, science is increasingly aligning with the idea that time is an illusion, and there is no such thing as "the future." This conclusion has also been explored through reasoning in Vedanta studies.

Astrology, on the other hand, is based on beliefs, like other superstitions. It persists because of individual experiences, but it fails to meet the rigor of scientific methods. In my view, astrology is detrimental to society, though I do not expect agreement from its believers. That said, this is not the topic here. My comment is solely intended to clarify misconceptions about science and its scope.

 

[a-TB]

Science is ONLY about Scientific Method. Nothing else. All others are just hypothesis , proved or disproved.

It is not religion like in the sense that it does not start with what is unknown (like a God in heaven). Religions starts with unknown and tries to 'explain' the known and observed.

Science starts with known and builds up to the next level of known. Unknowns are hypothesis but not accepted until validated

Vedanta is also from known to known only. That is the correct understanding But many teachers have mixed up theology with Upanishad in interpretations making the whole topic area in the domain of beliefs.

Vedanta (Gita and Upanishads) only teach oneness and not divisiveness. Science hypothesizes unification in the search to understand the universe. But Vedanta is not science but scientific

 

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Religions without exceptions lead to divisions. So religion and science cannot mix, religion and vedanta can also not mix

 

[a-TB]

Vedas contain ritual sections, upasana sections and Knowledge sections (Upanishad). Gita is like a upanishad too though it is a smriti. The ritual sections do not specify a kartha but it is inferred. In Upanishad sections the teaching is that you are not a Kartha (doer) or Bhokta (enjoyer). So though rituals are mentioned no divisions are directed. Smrithi's by their approach to place and time period tend to lead to divisions. All rituals today have about 5% vedic mantras, 25% Smruthis and rest are made up as traditions. Many Smruthis are inapplicable. Some like Manu Smruthis are corrupted over time since it contains contradictory messages.

 

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Jyothisham or Astrology is really a branch of Veda not Veda itself. It is like Grammar. So called Vedic Astrology is not in any Vedas. It started only as astronomy like predict when it would be sunrise etc to start rituals etc. What Astrology of today has no basis in the original Vedanga

Vaastu was about construction to get good air, get enough sunlight etc. Today's practice is all based on unfounded beliefs.

Both these branches, the way they are practiced are a curse on the humanity.

Let me stop here I have harsh truths to share about ritualists. May be in the future

 

[sravna]

Those who try to belittle knowledge gained by very deep intuitions as just beliefs do not have an inkling of what is real and what is not. The validation that Science gives to its hypothesis is not based on reality. It is something that can simply vanish and be not repeatable the very basis of Science . The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience and is repeatable. Better Science than current and all of past dubakur science boasts of.

If the scientists are willing to take the spiritual bull by its horns let them show that courage and not by snide and cowardly remarks about spirituality.

 

[sravna]

Knowledge relying only on method is a body without skeleton and a building without foundation waiting to collapse. Rigor in method can be a support only and not be a replacement for logical explanations. To say that method alone is Science is reducing the discipline to a popular flavour of it, a prime example being technology based on only data, all fluff and no real substance. It is a mighty fall from the initial heydeys of western enquiry where logic found a prominent place. What sense does it make when proponents of such shaky and dubakur science talk of unfounded beliefs of astrology?

Intuitions especially of the revered rishis are strongly rooted in reality. To dismiss them is to dismiss a basis of knowledge but embracing a shaky logical system such as the current flavour of technology driven science.

 

[a-TB]

Those who try to belittle knowledge gained by very deep intuitions as just beliefs do not have an inkling of what is real and what is not. The validation that Science gives to its hypothesis is not based on reality. It is something that can simply vanish and be not repeatable the very basis of Science . The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience and is repeatable. Better Science than current and all of past dubakur science boasts of.

If the scientists are willing to take the spiritual bull by its horns let them show that courage and not by snide and cowardly remarks about spirituality.

I normally do not like to read or engage with your posts. Let me say something once and I mean it respectfully

Over the last decade you have been promoting your personal energy of sorts as above - "The disappearance of physical energy in face of spiritual energy is based on my first hand experience"

I am sure your experience you feel is real. For most the world , it is delusional. If anyone I cared about said this I would advice them to get the help of a competent Psychiatrist.

If your subjective experience is your proof , then writing here is not useful. You should first ensure you get a certificate from a qualified psychiatrist that mentally all is fine and record your experience and send to scientists at ISRO or IIT or TIFR

Until then it is kind of rude to get your delusional ideas into other threads promoting your energy. This actually lowers the value of this forum for all.

The forum owner has been kind to let you have your own thread and if people dont visit them , you should not go into other threads to derail discussions.

You also have a lot of anger at many things and delusions and anger do not mix well

Plus often your responses has been often without understanding what the other person said. That is also a red signal of the state of mind

I know you will not listen, but dear member of this forum, you are ill, you need help

I wish you well for a speedy recovery

 

[a-TB]

Jyothisham or Astrology is really a branch of Veda not Veda itself. It is like Grammar. So called Vedic Astrology is not in any Vedas. It started only as astronomy like predict when it would be sunrise etc to start rituals etc. What Astrology of today has no basis in the original Vedanga

Vaastu was about construction to get good air, get enough sunlight etc. Today's practice is all based on unfounded beliefs.

Both these branches, the way they are practiced are a curse on the humanity.

Let me stop here I have harsh truths to share about ritualists. May be in the future

Science means scientific methods only. That means that if new experimental results do not agree with well established theories, true seekers in Science are ready to give up their theory and look to understand better

A decade or more ago, String theory was celebrated since it mathematically explained both quantum world and gravitational theories of Einstein. But lack of formal proof for any of its thesis has left the theory into yet another hypothesis.

In all these, it is open mindedness and commitment to know the truth

Religions world over tend to undermine open-minded thinking.

But true seekers in Vedanta to know the book of life are always open. Intuition is verified by direct experience. And that is always in silence.

 

[a-TB]

The vision of rishis produced knowledge of upanishads and Gita, puranic stories that are not history but mythological stories to teach the truth in the upanishads and rituals & upasana in support of the same truths. We never had issues with science or mathematics as in western world. Many scientists in the western world were threatened with execution for speaking up

The true freedom of expressions thrived in the Indian subcontinent. The Vesisaehikas proposed thousands of years ago the idea of atoms and molecules. Sankyas proposed what is like Darwin's evolution.

But today is an era ignorance, propagation of misinformation and proliferation of fake gurus, Many do not bother to study properly to even know what is taught in our scriptures to get the right vision,

The first step is to say I do not know. Ever since I said that I was open minded to learn. But when I see utter nonsense propagated I sometimes speak up. I am still learning

 

[sravna]

I was expecting this from you. What else can one expect if you are adamant in keeping your head buried in the sand? It is not me but you getting angry when I place the truths before you. The cold and unpleasant fact is spiritual energy is real and has been confounding their technology in a way they fing it hard to digest. Their ego is bruised and confidence shattered and so resort to all sorts of conventional smearing tactics. Your post therefore comes as no surprise.

It is convenient but utter cowardly to dismiss the whole thing as delusional and me needing medical help. Dear friend, it is your folks who need that help for unwilling to accept truths that don't align with their bizarre ideas and agenda.

I understand a lone person fighting a nation and strongly prevailing may seem incredible and hard to accept truth but if you care to understand and accept truths that stare at you starkly I would salute you for the ethical stance.

But these people are not of that breed and want to hide and act under purported acts of an insane person blabbering some nonsense. Sounds very credible but not courageous or honest.

If your folks have something honest pass it on to me. Otherwise there is no point in engaging with an adamant group which has been wreaking havoc to the world by inculcating in people all the wrong values.

 

[a-TB]

The vision of rishis produced knowledge of upanishads and Gita, puranic stories that are not history but mythological stories to teach the truth in the upanishads and rituals & upasana in support of the same truths. We never had issues with science or mathematics as in western world. Many scientists in the western world were threatened with execution for speaking up

The true freedom of expressions thrived in the Indian subcontinent. The Vesisaehikas proposed thousands of years ago the idea of atoms and molecules. Sankyas proposed what is like Darwin's evolution.

But today is an era ignorance, propagation of misinformation and proliferation of fake gurus, Many do not bother to study properly to even know what is taught in our scriptures to get the right vision,

The first step is to say I do not know. Ever since I said that I was open minded to learn. But when I see utter nonsense propagated I sometimes speak up. I am still learning

Upanishad and Gita cannot be learnt like any other subject. It has to touch one's life. I learnt recently that there are few texts that can be understood only with wisdom and maturity and does not need IQ levels to be high. Mandukya is one such upanishad and it has only 12 verses or so and no more. Sankara's teacher's teacher wrote what are called Karikas on this upanishad - a poetic exposition of the upanishad and its profound meanings.

In those Karikas, acharya Gaudapada refutes every possible ideas, I was talking to a learned scholar and I heard a very interesting thoughts arising coming from one of the Karika verse

To understand vedas, wherein rituals are described WITHOUT a description of a doer of rituals ,one needs an enlightened person to describe about why vedas are organized the way they are. The ritual sections are organized in terms of do-dont lists. But Smrithi is needed to translate those rules into realizable practices. But a person who has memorized and knows the do-dont list cannot tell you the real message of the vedas because those so called scholars of veda are called 'kinkara'.

Kinkara means one who knows only to follow rules. One waiting to be commanded to like a obedient servant who cannot think. (Kim Karomi in Sanskrit is a Kinkara)

So our society is now full of kinkaras of superstitions with fake gurus who are leader of the kinkaras.
No wonder the real vision of the Rishis is so elusive .

To be not a kinkara, one needs to develop open-mindedness and be ready to assert the faculty of viveka. True Scientists are not kinkaras because they think and tend to be open minded. Most people in Science otherwise are kinkaras only.

With unfounded beliefs, society is producing losers in life. Religious leaders and politicians exploits the insecurity and greed of ordinary people to keep them enslaved. This keeps producing kinkaras.

With the younger generation who question everything I hope the kinkara tendency are neutralized. Let us hope society produces wise people.

 

[sravna]

To preach is one thing to practice is a different ball game. There lies the true test of a person who claims to be wise. The world is full of hypocrites who display understanding of truths but that is fake undedstanding as when it comes to practice they are light years away.

So people should be beware of such people who can talk smoothly only with the purpose of pushing their ideas.

The youth is misled by such people and I am sure if the youth become discerning enough they will move away from the dubakur ideas.