Tarpanam Eligibility

[elysium]

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Good day all,

I have a question regarding intercaste marriage.

If a Tamil Brahmin male marries a Punjabi girl (caste is Kshatriya):

1. Is the Male eligible to perform final rites / tarpanam?
2. Are the children allowed to perform tarpanam?

In this circumstance, let us assume that both want to continue and are willing to perform the brahmin rituals.

Please only give your responses based on Shastra (i.e. Veda or Upanishad).

(With greatest of respect to these scriptures, please do not quote out of Purana or Manu Smriti).

Regards
E

 

[renuka]

Can some learned member help out here?

Everyone is too busy in the Thenkalai boy and NB girl love story.

Here there is a TB male and Punjabi Kshatriya female story.

Members should guide this person too.

 

[mkrishna100]

Members should guide this person too.

I guess the same person ( or some old member posting in different IDs ) is the one posted in the Thenkalai Boy and NB love story as in both posts there is a request for solution based on Sashtras as the following 2 quotes from the 2 posts point to . Both the posts are coming one day after another and from totally new members who have just had only 1 post to their credit . This is only my guess but I request Moderator Praveen to check the same and see whether it is a serious post or someone playing a joke to fool the members getting into an argument and debate endlessly .

So please, could anyone show me any references of veda shastras on whether a Brahmin boy can actually marry a non-brahmin girl. If I marry, will I be able to do thithi and shrartha in the future.

Please only give your responses based on Shastra (i.e. Veda or Upanishad).

 

[praveen]

but I request Moderator Praveen to check the same and see whether it is a serious post or someone playing a joke to fool the members getting into an argument and debate endlessly .

I checked and could not find any relation between the two posts. Both seems to be from different users. However i will leave it to the judgement of the users to respond or not.

 

[mkrishna100]

OK Praveen .Thanks for your confirmation .

 

[elysium]

Hi - I have never posted about this before.

This applies to a family situation here; I am known to their father. I would just like all the facts before opening a discussion.

As per my original question, I would appreciate your help.

 

[tbs]

Can some learned member help out here?

Everyone is too busy in the Thenkalai boy and NB girl love story.

Here there is a TB male and Punjabi Kshatriya female story.

Members should guide this person too.

hi renu,

you may be best person with advaita....not purana/manu smriti....remember purana means NOT THE STORY OF BHISMA/PARASURAMA

ETC.....BASED ON ADVAITA ONLY...FROM VEDA/UPANISHADS...

 

[tks]

Good day all,

I have a question regarding intercaste marriage.

If a Tamil Brahmin male marries a Punjabi girl (caste is Kshatriya):

1. Is the Male eligible to perform final rites / tarpanam?
2. Are the children allowed to perform tarpanam?

In this circumstance, let us assume that both want to continue and are willing to perform the brahmin rituals.

Please only give your responses based on Shastra (i.e. Veda or Upanishad).

(With greatest of respect to these scriptures, please do not quote out of Purana or Manu Smriti).

Regards
E

Welcome to the forum!

The real questions are:

1. Where does it say the son (though married to another caste) cannot do final rites?
2. Where does it say the children are not allowed to perform tarpanam.

Why all this focus on last rites and tarpanam etc. ??

You went ahead with your marriage to someone outside your community. Now you may want to make it work.

You will find many priests when the time comes to do a proper Brahmin final rites.

 

[elysium]

Sir I don't believe it says anywhere in Shastra either of those things.

In fact in the Chandogya Upanishad , Satyakama Jabala was born to a Brahmin father but his mother was a prostitute. My understanding is that Gautama accepted him as a Brahmin. Brahmin culture appears patriarchal right so does it matter who the mother is ?

Another instance , Viswamitra is a born kshatriya, but is accepted as a Brahmin now? (Viswamitra gotra exists - therefore there are Brahmins descended from him?)

Anyway sir,
I am just looking to be constructive.

This family was advised by one set of shastrigal that the son can't do tarpanam as per Veda, another said that they can do it.

We want to understand from shastra, what is the truth to this matter (please again only from Veda / Upanishad).

For your reference, it is not me who is getting married. I am a family friend of theirs.

 

[renuka]

hi renu,

you may be best person with advaita....not purana/manu smriti....remember purana means NOT THE STORY OF BHISMA/PARASURAMA

ETC.....BASED ON ADVAITA ONLY...FROM VEDA/UPANISHADS...

Arey Yaar...I am not the best person when it comes to Advaita...its you with the Phd in Advaita and not me..also we have Sravna(Mayananda).

Actually I wonder..why so much emphasis given to Tharpanam? People seem so concerned about the after life that they forget to be nice to each other while they are living.

Also are these Tharpanam really needed? If it is actually needed how does Karma apply? Nothing can change Karma..including Tharpanam.
Also if one has full faith in self or God and surrenders to God or the Laws of Karma why bother about Tharpanam?

 

[sravna]

Arey Yaar...I am not the best person when it comes to Advaita...its you with the Phd in Advaita and not me..also we have Sravna(Mayananda).

Actually I wonder..why so much emphasis given to Tharpanam? People seem so concerned about the after life that they forget to be nice to each other while they are living.

Also are these Tharpanam really needed? If it is actually needed how does Karma apply? Nothing can change Karma..including Tharpanam.
Also if one has full faith in self or God and surrenders to God or the Laws of Karma why bother about Tharpanam?

Dear Renuka,

These rituals do have a significance when properly understood and followed and so it is not that they are meaningless. My belief is that the results are much better when done in the right spirit. Brahmins are the ones who are versed in the rituals. One is supposed to reach a particular level of spiritual development to have access to and benefit from the spiritual knowledge. The reason for that I think is that they may be misused and eventually lose their efficacy.

Having said that I believe that since the level of spiritual development is all that matters, one may do without these rituals and yet accomplish what the rituals do with just good thoughts alone because spiritual thoughts I believe have that power.