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Terror attack in paris

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Over-religiosity, as exhibited like a knee-jerk reaction by selected members, even in this forum, will lead to the next 'avatar' of religious intolerance, i.e., inability to accept any line of faith, belief, thinking, etc., other than the one to which one has been indoctrinated to subscribe, and from there we will get the crop of religious terrorism. I am not a scholar in Islam, but, it appears that the religion had to fight the ever so many Arab tribes (gotras) who were almost always at war with each other, subdue them militarily and establish their creed, and so, there is a legacy of religious terrorism therein.

What India can do best is to put a reign on all kinds of religious activities for, say, 25 years and ask the people to devote themselves completely to the nation's progress and development. But the big question is whether the Modi government with its covert Hindutva agenda do it?
 
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What India can do best is to put a reign on all kinds of religious activities for, say, 25 years and ask the people to devote themselves completely to the nation's progress and development. But the big question is whether the Modi government with its covert Hindutva agenda do it?
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This is an idiotic idea that can only come out of a mentally sick mind!!
 
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Everything has a limit. So does any religion. Some body blabbed that every body is a born Muslim. Hinduism older than all cannot claim that? God created life, and man. No religion has created man or life. Thus a life cannot be taken away like that. This is also the philosophy of organised governments. I think it is time people looked back to the dawn of civilization. It is reported that provocation caused the dastardly acts. But the same mag. provoked its own government and the govt did not kill them, maybe because the cartoonists belong to that govt.? Oh god, no logic works. Only we can say sorry to god that we created this mess and pray to Him to please remove this malady kindly.
 
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Over-religiosity, as exhibited like a knee-jerk reaction by selected members, even in this forum, will lead to the next 'avatar' of religious intolerance, i.e., inability to accept any line of faith, belief, thinking, etc., other than the one to which one has been indoctrinated to subscribe, and from there we will get the crop of religious terrorism. I am not a scholar in Islam, but, it appears that the religion had to fight the ever so many Arab tribes (gotras) who were almost always at war with each other, subdue them militarily and establish their creed, and so, there is a legacy of religious terrorism therein.

What India can do best is to put a reign on all kinds of religious activities for, say, 25 years and ask the people to devote themselves completely to the nation's progress and development. But the big question is whether the Modi government with its covert Hindutva agenda do it?
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I agree with your first paragraph, the remedy may be more painful than the decease itself. I do not agree with your proposed solution.
 
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[FONT=&quot]Tariq Ramadan, professor of Islamic studies at Oxford University wants Muslims in the West to see themselves not as an aggrieved minority in hostile territory but as equal members of Western society, with full rights and full responsibilities. On Wednesday, Ramadan wrote: “Charlie Hebdo. NO NO! NO! Contrary to what was apparently said by the killers in the bombing of Charlie Hebdo’s headquarters, it is not the Prophet who was avenged, it is our religion, our values and Islamic principles that have been betrayed and tainted.”[/FONT]
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Ahmed Harqan ( Age 32) grew up in a muslim family oriented toward the Salafi movement in Islam. He received religious education from islamic scholars. He spent a large part of his youth as an ultra-conservative Salafist and "muslim fundamentalist". In 2010 Harqan abandoned Islam after a long period of doubt about his religious practices and beliefs. He burnt all his religious certificates and start his education from scratch.[/FONT] [FONT=&quot]In a TV-show on October 21, 2014, Harqan explained why he had become an atheist and said that Islam is a "harsh religion," which was being implemented by ISIS and Boko Haram. They are doing "what the Prophet Muhammad and his companions did," said Harqan. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Harqan and his pregnant wife survived an assassination attempt 4 days later - on October 25, 2014. Harqan managed to flee with his wife after having some injuries and went to the police station to report the incident along with their friend Karim Jimy. Instead of taking action to help Harqan and his wife, the police officers further assaulted them and they were imprisoned charged with blasphemy and "defamation of religion" under article 98 in the Egyptian penal code for asking "What has ISIS done that Muhammad did not do?” on a popular Egyptian television talk show. Harqan's lawyer was humiliated and kicked out of the police station. Eventually they were released and charges against them were dropped.
[video=youtube;4y5a7VJhrZA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4y5a7VJhrZA[/video]
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sangom said:
Over-religiosity, as exhibited like a knee-jerk reaction by selected members, even in this forum, will lead to the next 'avatar' of religious intolerance, i.e., inability to accept any line of faith, belief, thinking, etc., other than the one to which one has been indoctrinated to subscribe, and from there we will get the crop of religious terrorism. I am not a scholar in Islam, but, it appears that the religion had to fight the ever so many Arab tribes (gotras) who were almost always at war with each other, subdue them militarily and establish their creed, and so, there is a legacy of religious terrorism therein.

What India can do best is to put a reign on all kinds of religious activities for, say, 25 years and ask the people to devote themselves completely to the nation's progress and development. But the big question is whether the Modi government with its covert Hindutva agenda do it?
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As usual, you are back to your useless tropes. Check what some of the atheists have to say:

Richard Dawkins, the English atheist tweeted about the Paris attackers, “They shouted ‘We have avenged the Prophet Muhammad’. . . . Some useful idiot will claim it had nothing to do with religion.”

And, subsequently, he tweeted: “No, all religions are NOT equally violent. Some have never been violent, some gave it up centuries ago. One religion conspicuously didn’t.” (Italics to help people like sangom to recognize which religions he refers to).

Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born writer and an ex-muslim, wrote, “After the horrific massacre . . . perhaps the West will finally put away its legion of useless tropes trying to deny the relationship between violence and radical Islam.”
 
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France has mobilized 90000 personnel to handle this violent attack. Hope they keep aside their secular liberal ideas, pursue the cancerous groups and neutralize them. May not get another chance.
What the shooters said to the woman before forcing her to open the door must be widely circulated. And what Rupert Murdoch tweeted!
 
Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too?

Paris murderers aren’t real Muslims why won’t the MUSLIM world say so too?


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Let’s not pussy-foot around the terminology here when it comes to analyzing the sickening events in Paris over the last 48 hours.



But it’s not a religious war, as the cowardly, murderous thugs carrying out these atrocities would have us believe.



These terrorists are not ‘real’ Muslims. In fact, they slaughter Muslims as much if not more than they slaughter everyone else.


One of their two police officer victims in the attack on Charlie Hebdo’s offices was a Muslim.

On the same day, Al Qaeda car-bombed a police college in Yemen - killing over 40 people, all believed to be Muslims, many of them students.



And lest we forget, several dozen innocent Muslims died in the twin towers on 9/11 including a pregnant woman.


So forget all the garbage about these lunatics representing Muslims. They don’t.
They represent a small faction of fanatical extremists who have hijacked Islam to justify their nefarious trade in terror, and grotesquely and deliberately distorted the meaning of the Qur’an for the same purpose.



They can chant ‘God is great’ all they like, but their currency is death and destruction not genuine religious ideology.



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And their excuse for all this mayhem is predicated entirely on a pack of lies; the Prophet Mohammad never advocated killing people who blasphemed him. Nor does the Qur’an tell anyone to do that, or even mention blasphemy.



As my former CNN colleague Fareed Zakaria pointed out today, draconian punishment for blasphemy, including in many cases death, has been created in law by Muslim nations intent on suppressing their people.



So when these barbaric assassins scream that they are ‘avenging the Prophet’, they’re doing nothing of the sort. They’re just using him as an excuse to commit murder.
It’s a sickening deceit.



But they don’t give a damn what I, or most of the West, think about them.
All they care about is spewing their hateful rhetoric and violence as chaotically as possible, preying on the impressionable vulnerability of many disenfranchised young Muslims who live, for the main, in poverty and hopelessness.



This is not going to be an easy war to win.


Terror groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are a hideously difficult enemy to combat because they exist in so many varied and amorphous guises around the world, some large in number, some tiny.

Nobody really knows how many there are, or where they reside.



Beheading hostages and gunning down cartoonists may seem particularly horrific to us, but to them – many of who have fought on the brutal battlefields of Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan - it’s just another day at the office.



They’re going to keep on committing these outrages, and the scale of them is going to get bigger.



It’s going to be the new normal. They’re going to attack us in our restaurants, churches, shopping malls and modes of transport.



It’s going to severely test our collective resolve, and we’re all going to have to face up to it with the same defiant stoicism that Britain showed when Hitler or the IRA tried to bomb us into submission, and which New Yorkers displayed after 9/11.



As to what can be done to curb this threat, the West’s traditional response of invading and bombing the countries that harbor them – along with our arrogant attempts to force our brand of ‘freedom and democracy’ down their unwilling throats - has been a spectacularly self-defeating failure that has simply served to dramatically increase support for the terrorists.



Every Drone strike that strays and kills innocent civilians in the Middle East acts as a perfect recruiting agent for hundreds, if not thousands more vengeful members of Islamic State.



Every day that Guantanamo Bay stays open, keeping people prisoner without charge or trial for years on end, is used as a perfectly justifiable example of America acting as just the same repressive, inhumane, law-flouting regime that it professes to abhor.



We need different thinking, smart leadership, effective military action where appropriate, and a firm coalition of global intelligence to thwart the attacks.
But there is a limit to what the West can do on its own.




What’s really required right now is for the Muslim world to stand up, be counted and cry: ‘ENOUGH!’

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Extremists Harm Islam More Than Cartoons-Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah:

Extremists Harm Islam More Than Cartoons-Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah:

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BEIRUT (AP) — The leader of the Lebanese Hezbollah group says Islamic extremists have insulted Islam and the Prophet Muhammad more than those who published satirical cartoons mocking the religion.


Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah did not directly mention the Paris attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo that left 12 people dead, but he said Islamic extremists who behead and slaughter people — a reference to the IS group's rampages in Iraq and Syria — have done more harm to Islam than anyone else in history.


Nasrallah spoke Friday via video link to supporters gathered in southern Beirut.


Nasrallah's Shiite group is fighting in Syria alongside President Bashar Assad.


His remarks are in stark contrast to those of Sunni militants from the IS group and al-Qaida who have called for attacks on Western countries


Hezbollah Chief Nasrallah: Extremists Harm Islam More Than Cartoons
 
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