The enlightening knowledge

[sravna]

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Folks,

This is a parallel thread I plan to run along with that discussing science. Here I will discuss spiritual ideas. It is more exploratory and tries to interpret ancient wisdom in the context of modern knowledge and thinking. As with the other thread I request you to kindly share your ideas.

 

[sravna]

This thread is not a collection of all human thoughts about higher knowledge but represent what I feel is the truth. As far as possible I will try to present an integrated understanding of all knowledge. People can disagree with my interpretations and present their views.

I will start with the concept of God.

 

[sravna]

To understand the concept of God let us understand the concept: sat, chit, ananda which means "existence, consciousness and bliss". These fully characterize God who is eternal existence, pure consciousness and one who experiences only bliss. By eternal existence he becomes timeless and by pure consciousness he becomes formless and hence since being timeless and formless means no change in any way that would lead to ever blissful experience. This is saying that God is spiritual in essence because being spiritual is transcending space and time.

Notes: We will see how the concept of changelessness in energy leads to only positive experiences when we discuss those in the other thread on physics.

 

[sravna]

Having introduced what I think characterizes God, I would like to focus on how god actually is in charge of the physical world. We know physical world works according to certain universal laws. However this is true only as long as they are not patently under the influence of spiritual energy. Under the influence of spiritual energy they change. I can personally attest that by the use of spiritual energy, physical energy diminishes or even vanishes ( actually it becomes unchanging in energy, so becomes spiritual itself).

I will try to put forth fresh ideas and not focus on oft discussed themes. I will start with what I think are the laws that can supercede physical laws. I will call them spiritual laws. I will try my best to substantiate them but to do that a good understanding of their mechanics of work is required. I will try to develop them in the parallel thread on physics.

Without adding to the suspense about spiritual laws let me state the first law:

First law of spirituality: Spiritual energy is unchanging in space and time

I will add more on this.

 

[sravna]

Before going on to discuss the law, let me share my thoughts on what should be the methods of spirituality. Science describes the physical world and has its methods for it. Since it is concerned with the physical world, the methods which it uses for establishment of truth is concerned only with the physical reality. The evidence of truth is that it should be physically verifiable. So keeping in view the scope of science, the method it uses had been adequate.

But as I view and will strive to corroborate, reality is not just physical. So we cannot hope to prove everything by using the methods of science. At least from the perspective of being open minded , we need to grant that there may be truths that are not accessible to sense organs or cannot be recorded by physical instruments.

Is there anything unreasonable or irrational about asking to think this way?

 

[prasad1]

Rahimdas said it better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Rahim_Khan-I-Khana

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[sravna]

You cannot try to make someone understand something which requires personal experience. That is the reason I am not talking only the language of spirituality. I am trying to express it in terms of the language of science .

Also, Please don't quote someone whose core beliefs you don't believe in.

 

[Vaagmi]

Before going on to discuss the law, let me share my thoughts on what should be the methods of spirituality. Science describes the physical world and has its methods for it. Since it is concerned with the physical world, the methods which it uses for establishment of truth is concerned only with the physical reality. The evidence of truth is that it should be physically verifiable. So keeping in view the scope of science, the method it uses had been adequate.

But as I view and will strive to corroborate, reality is not just physical. So we cannot hope to prove everything by using the methods of science. At least from the perspective of being open minded , we need to grant that there may be truths that are not accessible to sense organs or cannot be recorded by physical instruments.

Is there anything unreasonable or irrational about asking to think this way?

Dear Sri Sravna,

As you are discussing the "theory of knowledge/knowing" which is sometimes called epistemology, I suggest the following so that you save time by avoiding "inventing the wheel" all over again.

Please read Immanuel Kant, the German philosopher whose writings on the subject are available in about twelve volumes. It requires a lot of patience and re-reading as the subject is highly abstract and involved. But it is worth the effort. The theory of cause and effect and theory of reasoning and everything is discussed. It gives one a rare insight into the subject and a unique perspective.

Please read Indian texts on visishtadvaita and advaita where too our ancestors have discussed the subject of knowing but they are in aphorisms and will need the reading of bhashyas.

I am making this suggestion to help you understand the subject better. Please do not misunderstand my suggestion. Thanks.

 

[sravna]

Perfectly fine Shri.Vaagmi. I will just put it in summary what I want to say so that those who are reading this thread only will have the right perspective

 

[sravna]

These are the following ways I am going to show the truth of spiritual knowledge:

1. By observations. This can be seen in the cure of diseases where the disorders are set right by spiritual energy, If any physics lab anywhere in the world is willing to verify the existence of spiritual energy, I can show that the physical energy produced in the labs will vanish in the presence of spiritual energy. Here, the changing physical energy is being converted to an unchanging energy.

2. By logic: This can be done by showing in a consistent way the higher level significance of the physical laws.

3. By scriptures: If spiritual knowledge tested above is seen to conform to the scriptures in a fundamental way, we can test only for consistency in the scriptures and take the scriptures as an authority of all higher knowledge

 

[sravna]

Regarding proof by observations. I plan to make a conclusive statement soon. But now I would to say my view that proof of spiritual energy is proof of spiritual knowledge because at levels of harmonious energy which are very high, experiencing energy is the same as acquiring knowledge. We are able to accomplish this by using our mind.

Even though I have been very successful in treating diseases through spiritual energy, I am not sure it is at the level of higher knowledge. But I do think if it is able to cure disease which normally requires knowledge, it may indeed be at higher levels. Since I view spiritual energy as both capable of physical work and intelligence, the type of energy that cures diseases may carry the intelligence required and also perform the mechanics on the body.

There should also be energy at even higher levels that represent highly abstract knowledge that does not interact at the physical level.

 

[sravna]

Before proceeding to discuss the spiritual laws, let me talk about the scope of spiritual laws. We can think of spiritual laws as those that govern all that physically exist, consciousness and all its experiences whereas Physical laws govern all that physically exist.

In humans for example, the physical laws govern the body and the spiritual laws govern the body, the consciousness and the positive experiences one is able to have in life.

Spiritual laws are responsible for the evolution of the soul and spiritual laws are able to exert predominant and consistent control over physical laws when evolution happens to the stage of mind and mind evolves to a certain level. Every constituent of our world is subject to spiritual laws all the time.

So in my view, what we see as the laws of science are subject to the influence of spiritual laws all the time and comes under their total control towards the final stages of the universe,