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The Present Reality of Brahmins in India

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There is no uniformity or unity in Brahmin Community. Some have adapted and prospered, others have not adapted and are getting by. Some of the Brahmins in the second category have done very well but there is some very poor.
We can not propose a solution which will suit all categories.

Brahmins, as Hinduism’s priestly and scholarly caste, have traditionally occupied a place of privilege in India.
Brahmins have been advisers to Maharajas, Mughals and military rulers. Under British rule, they served as administrators, a position they kept after Indian independence in 1947. But in today’s India, high-caste privileges are dwindling, and with the government giving extensive preferences to the lower-caste majority, many Brahmins are feeling left out of the economy’s rapid expansion.


R. Parameswaran has suffered that reversal of fortune. The 29-year-old starts every day with a prayer to the Hindu god Shiva, marking his forehead with red and white powder to let the world know he is a Brahmin. In his home village, his caste’s mark brought him respect, but since he moved to Chennai, a sprawling high-tech city in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, in the late 1990s, he has found his status a liability.

In Tamil Nadu, nearly 70% of government jobs and public-college slots are reserved for people from lower castes and other historically disadvantaged groups. Although he says he graduated near the top of his high-school class and had strong test scores, Mr. Parameswaran couldn’t get into any of the state engineering colleges. His family had to borrow from friends to send him to a second-rate private college.
He now teaches English at a small vocational school. On a salary of $100 a month, Mr. Parameswaran can’t afford an apartment, so he sleeps in the classroom at night. "I am suffering," says the intense young man, using the exaggerated enunciation of an English teacher. "Unfortunately, I was born as a Brahmin."
Although the role of Brahmins has never been synonymous with accumulating wealth, many are affluent enough to educate their children in the better private schools. On average, members of the caste, who make up about 5% of India’s population of 1.1 billion, are better educated and better paid than the rest of Indian people.
The term Brahmin has come to be used globally to describe those at the top of the heap with an attitude to match, as in Boston Brahmins. Yet close to half of Brahmin households earn less than $100 a month, according to the Center for a Study of Developing Societies, a New Delhi think tank. For these Brahmins, the array of state-mandated preferences for other groups present a high hurdle.
The reverse discrimination is rooted in Indian history and politics. For decades, Brahmins were resented for their dominance of the government, economy and culture. Indeed, political parties in Tamil Nadu sprang from anti-Brahmin feelings. "If you see a Brahmin and a snake, kill the Brahmin first" was an old slogan.
A national constitution adopted in 1950 reserved more than 20% of government jobs for lower castes. In 1990, an additional 27% were set aside for what were called "other backward castes." Some states set higher quotas, including Tamil Nadu, which reserves 69% of government jobs for lower castes and other needy groups.
The ugliest Brahmin bashing in India ended years ago, but Mr. Parameswaran says that in college in the late 1990s, he still faced ridicule as a Brahmin.

Mr. Parameswaran has tried to adapt to the lessening of caste distinctions taking place in many parts of India today, especially in cities. The changes are less in villages such as the one where he grew up some 200 miles away. There, his grandfather, who is 101 years old, still won’t wear Western clothes and won’t eat outside of his home for fear of mixing with lower castes.
Mr. Parameswaran’s father has a job with the state telephone company and is more liberal. He dresses in shirts and pants, doesn’t mind eating at restaurants and doesn’t expect lower-caste neighbors to take off their sandals in his presence.
Mr. Parameswaran has had good friends from lower castes all his life, many of whom have used their communities to grab good government jobs, he says. He won’t eat meat but has no qualms sharing a meal with people of any caste or creed. His 22-year-old sister, R. Dharmambal, is even more liberal, he says. "She will take non-vegetarian food," he exclaims, using the common Indian term for eating meat.
Mr. Parameswaran often visits the sister in the Brahmin enclave of Mylapore. On a recent day there, dozens of shirtless priests in the traditional Brahmin uniform of a white dhoti and partially shaved head were standing around at a Hindu-scriptures school, hoping for work. For as little as 100 rupees, about $2.50, they offered to perform complicated rituals and blessings required when any Hindu has a baby, a wedding or a new home.
"My sons can’t support me, so I have to survive by performing Hindu rituals," says K. Narayana, an 81-year-old scholar. "If we had been from another community, we would have had better opportunities."

"I see so many Brahmins begging" in Mylapore, Mr. Parameswaran says. "It’s very difficult to see. It makes me totally upset."

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3779.html
 
There is no uniformity or unity in Brahmin Community. Some have adapted and prospered, others have not adapted and are getting by. Some of the Brahmins in the second category have done very well but there is some very poor.
We can not propose a solution which will suit all categories.

Brahmins, as Hinduism’s priestly and scholarly caste, have traditionally occupied a place of privilege in India.
Brahmins have been advisers to Maharajas, Mughals and military rulers. Under British rule, they served as administrators, a position they kept after Indian independence in 1947. But in today’s India, high-caste privileges are dwindling, and with the government giving extensive preferences to the lower-caste majority, many Brahmins are feeling left out of the economy’s rapid expansion.


R. Parameswaran has suffered that reversal of fortune. The 29-year-old starts every day with a prayer to the Hindu god Shiva, marking his forehead with red and white powder to let the world know he is a Brahmin. In his home village, his caste’s mark brought him respect, but since he moved to Chennai, a sprawling high-tech city in the southern state of Tamil Nadu, in the late 1990s, he has found his status a liability.

In Tamil Nadu, nearly 70% of government jobs and public-college slots are reserved for people from lower castes and other historically disadvantaged groups. Although he says he graduated near the top of his high-school class and had strong test scores, Mr. Parameswaran couldn’t get into any of the state engineering colleges. His family had to borrow from friends to send him to a second-rate private college.
He now teaches English at a small vocational school. On a salary of $100 a month, Mr. Parameswaran can’t afford an apartment, so he sleeps in the classroom at night. "I am suffering," says the intense young man, using the exaggerated enunciation of an English teacher. "Unfortunately, I was born as a Brahmin."
Although the role of Brahmins has never been synonymous with accumulating wealth, many are affluent enough to educate their children in the better private schools. On average, members of the caste, who make up about 5% of India’s population of 1.1 billion, are better educated and better paid than the rest of Indian people.
The term Brahmin has come to be used globally to describe those at the top of the heap with an attitude to match, as in Boston Brahmins. Yet close to half of Brahmin households earn less than $100 a month, according to the Center for a Study of Developing Societies, a New Delhi think tank. For these Brahmins, the array of state-mandated preferences for other groups present a high hurdle.
The reverse discrimination is rooted in Indian history and politics. For decades, Brahmins were resented for their dominance of the government, economy and culture. Indeed, political parties in Tamil Nadu sprang from anti-Brahmin feelings. "If you see a Brahmin and a snake, kill the Brahmin first" was an old slogan.
A national constitution adopted in 1950 reserved more than 20% of government jobs for lower castes. In 1990, an additional 27% were set aside for what were called "other backward castes." Some states set higher quotas, including Tamil Nadu, which reserves 69% of government jobs for lower castes and other needy groups.
The ugliest Brahmin bashing in India ended years ago, but Mr. Parameswaran says that in college in the late 1990s, he still faced ridicule as a Brahmin.

Mr. Parameswaran has tried to adapt to the lessening of caste distinctions taking place in many parts of India today, especially in cities. The changes are less in villages such as the one where he grew up some 200 miles away. There, his grandfather, who is 101 years old, still won’t wear Western clothes and won’t eat outside of his home for fear of mixing with lower castes.
Mr. Parameswaran’s father has a job with the state telephone company and is more liberal. He dresses in shirts and pants, doesn’t mind eating at restaurants and doesn’t expect lower-caste neighbors to take off their sandals in his presence.
Mr. Parameswaran has had good friends from lower castes all his life, many of whom have used their communities to grab good government jobs, he says. He won’t eat meat but has no qualms sharing a meal with people of any caste or creed. His 22-year-old sister, R. Dharmambal, is even more liberal, he says. "She will take non-vegetarian food," he exclaims, using the common Indian term for eating meat.
Mr. Parameswaran often visits the sister in the Brahmin enclave of Mylapore. On a recent day there, dozens of shirtless priests in the traditional Brahmin uniform of a white dhoti and partially shaved head were standing around at a Hindu-scriptures school, hoping for work. For as little as 100 rupees, about $2.50, they offered to perform complicated rituals and blessings required when any Hindu has a baby, a wedding or a new home.
"My sons can’t support me, so I have to survive by performing Hindu rituals," says K. Narayana, an 81-year-old scholar. "If we had been from another community, we would have had better opportunities."

"I see so many Brahmins begging" in Mylapore, Mr. Parameswaran says. "It’s very difficult to see. It makes me totally upset."

http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/3779.html

hi
there are very super rich brahmins are also in the same area......TVS/TTK groups earned a lot....whatever earnings...generally brahmins

very proud abt their caste.....
 
Thanks for this thought provoking post prasadji.

we need a solution to the brahmin poor , some of whom have rural background.

they are the left overs who did not see the writing on the wall and transform themselves fast enough to get western education which british had made possible and go to

metro first in chennai and then elsewhere in the country and abroad for education and employment.

My parents generation moved over to delhi but I did not consider it sensible to go abroad for either studies or employment.

Perhaps, I do not know if I have let down my next generation by not moving out for better pastures abroad.

But now with changed india, children do not need to go abroad.

There are oppurtunities for high fliers.

But the atmosphere for intolerance and poor law and order still makes one aspire for organised societies.

however the fear of discrimination because of colour and other prejudices abroad make it a no-no.

These foreign western countries might be excellent for holidays and short stay.

But I would rather be in india sharing the roads with cows and street dogs.and hearing both bells of hindu temples and calls from a nearby mosque.

There is something indian about these .I would miss them anywhere else.
 
Thanks for this thought provoking post prasadji.

we need a solution to the brahmin poor , some of whom have rural background.

they are the left overs who did not see the writing on the wall and transform themselves fast enough to get western education which british had made possible and go to

metro first in chennai and then elsewhere in the country and abroad for education and employment.

My parents generation moved over to delhi but I did not consider it sensible to go abroad for either studies or employment.

Perhaps, I do not know if I have let down my next generation by not moving out for better pastures abroad.

But now with changed india, children do not need to go abroad.

There are oppurtunities for high fliers.

But the atmosphere for intolerance and poor law and order still makes one aspire for organised societies.

however the fear of discrimination because of colour and other prejudices abroad make it a no-no.

These foreign western countries might be excellent for holidays and short stay.

But I would rather be in india sharing the roads with cows and street dogs.and hearing both bells of hindu temples and calls from a nearby mosque.

There is something indian about these .I would miss them anywhere else.
hi sir,

i agreed with u....still i feel sad many times...becoz my birth based caste system....here in india...merit system was denied...

i spent most of my life alll parts of india...being served in indian army....i stayed in east ./west/north/south......now in foriegn

land..here my kids are more safe than india.....merit is ONLY criteria....not my birth caste.....i like public life here....i like

my private life there......
 
Brahmins should propagate the importance of purusharthas; Dravidian political leaders says aram, porul, inbam veeduperu is tamil ideology; but they should be made realized that from kanyakumari to kashmir all hindus has only purusharthas as lakshyas which is the base for our karmaboomi baaratham; in tamilnadu brahmins suffer because, both kshatriyas and dalits are against them; other religion people use this for their advantage; but brahmins can blame only themselves and kshatriyas. because, eventhough the society annihilates, brahmins should not leave to stress the importance of purusharthas; the word brahmin comes from Brammam which has established purusharthas as the foundation stone of sanadhana dharma; if brahmins leave that, purusharthas will leave them; also the betrayal of kshatriyas are to be considered; using the disadvantages of some brahmin leaders, they have secured reservation and now they claim both that they ruled this land on one hand and on the other hand, they cry that they are exploited by bramins which is an utter lie and foul play; people who know history will be aware of this. if brahmins leave the path of purusharthas then conversion will become very easier for other religions; hence brahmins should realize their importance.
 
Prasad ji,

"If you see a Brahmin and a snake, kill the Brahmin first" was an old slogan..........You have misquoted the slogan by

missing the punch of it.

The correct quote is
"If you see a Brahmin and a snake, leave the snake and kill the Brahmin".

When I was a school boy, I saw this slogan written in walls, by the root Dravidian party.

Now, these types of harassment has come to a halt.
 
Prasad ji,

"If you see a Brahmin and a snake, kill the Brahmin first" was an old slogan..........You have misquoted the slogan by

missing the punch of it.

The correct quote is
"If you see a Brahmin and a snake, leave the snake and kill the Brahmin".

When I was a school boy, I saw this slogan written in walls, by the root Dravidian party.

Now, these types of harassment has come to a halt.

I also used to think that it was a harassment, but I doubt that sentiment now.
 
I also used to think that it was a harassment, but I doubt that sentiment now.

Many vulgar slogans against the Brahmins were written in all major town & cities...When Brahmins joined hands & said they will like to form a separate State, all this nonsense ended, but even now Brahmins are not allowed entry in Medical colleges (just 1-2% with great difficulty enter)
 
hi

we talked a lot abt brahmins...the real brahmin trouble in india is KASHMIRI PANDITS...THEY ARE DISPALCED AND BECAME REFUGEE

IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY..so we tambrams more better than others,,,i have first hand experience with them...i visited

and saw the kashmiri pandits houses and temple there..
 
Mr prasad1/ krish/ tbs/ vc, You4 Can as well work out a permanent solutoion. , by discussing between yourselves first & prepare an action plan& call for members to join the programe& get thei Ideas as wellO & jointly embarki serious action Others would join a after seeing the consolidation.
Would be in u.Sfor a fewv months. In Florida Tamil Assosiation is ready to help poor Br ah ins for higher education & beneficiaries in turn help when they earn
A.Srinivasan
 
periyar said those paapan(Skink) and paarpanan(a slang that refers to brahmins).Periyar said those.

anti brahmin sentiments were the cause for the founding of buddhism and jainism. i have heard that the most vitriolic anti brahmin texts are found in sanskrit. not knowing any sanskrit i cannot backup this statement. the source of this is the author p.a.krishnan.
 
anti brahmin sentiments were the cause for the founding of buddhism and jainism. i have heard that the most vitriolic anti brahmin texts are found in sanskrit. not knowing any sanskrit i cannot backup this statement. the source of this is the author p.a.krishnan.

The author would be correct. Nastikas, on one hand, are proud to have fought against brahmins and brahminism/ hinduism from time immemorial but they also cry persecution at the hands of Brahmins and hindus. No wonder modern day secularists are as inimical to Hindus as the Nastikas' were.
 
hi
there are very super rich brahmins are also in the same area......TVS/TTK groups earned a lot....whatever earnings...generally brahmins

very proud abt their caste.....

You lack logical thinking and common sense. TVS/TTK are Iyengars. Majority of those who suffer are from Iyer community. If you are from Iyer community, don't feel proud but put your head down.
 
You lack logical thinking and common sense. TVS/TTK are Iyengars. Majority of those who suffer are from Iyer community. If you are from Iyer community, don't feel proud but put your head down.

Sometimes, I think your posts seem to reflect on how we should not be.
 
Sometimes, I think your posts seem to reflect on how we should not be.

Iyers are the worst affected due to higher numbers, especially the condition of Shastrigal families are pathetic. We cannot be proud when other sect doesn't face much harship and our community is terrible mess.

Reality will bite.
 
The birth based caste tag has served its purpose and belongs to archives.
The poverty among "brahmins" is no different than general poverty in India.
The only sad part is these poor brahmins can be wasting their upbringing and education. They should realize that brahminism (as a profession) has failed them. They should learn a new trade. My family shastrigal educated all his children to engineers and doctors.
 
The birth based caste tag has served its purpose and belongs to archives.
The poverty among "brahmins" is no different than general poverty in India.
The only sad part is these poor brahmins can be wasting their upbringing and education. They should realize that brahminism (as a profession) has failed them. They should learn a new trade. My family shastrigal educated all his children to engineers and doctors.

I graduated from a collage, I am an alumni of that institute, and belong to an organization. I am not ashamed of it. But it does not make me any superior or inferior to others. I do not expect any special treatment just because I went to that school.
Similarly I am Brahmin, I have nothing to be ashamed of my birth, but at the same time I can not claim any superiority because of it.

Similarly I belong to a subdivision, because I bought a house there. There are no special privilege, or any superiority because of it. If I do not pay my mortgage, the bank will reposes it like any other property.

So these lamentations about "our community" etc are fruitless.

YES belong to as many groups you choose, but also belong to Humanity in general.
 
கால பைரவன்;342175 said:
The author would be correct. Nastikas, on one hand, are proud to have fought against brahmins and brahminism/ hinduism from time immemorial but they also cry persecution at the hands of Brahmins and hindus. No wonder modern day secularists are as inimical to Hindus as the Nastikas' were.

good to hear from you KB.

you know, what wonders me most... is the recent (20-30 years) trend among tambrams to name their children gautam or siddharth. little do they know or realize or care, the namesake was almost as virulently anti brahmin as the one whose name cannot be mentioned in this forum ;)

i have seen this both among iyers and iyengars and pattars.
 
good to hear from you KB.

you know, what wonders me most... is the recent (20-30 years) trend among tambrams to name their children gautam or siddharth. little do they know or realize or care, the namesake was almost as virulently anti brahmin as the one whose name cannot be mentioned in this forum ;)

i have seen this both among iyers and iyengars and pattars.

Gautama Maharishi is one of the seven great sages (Saptarishis). It is perfectly fine for Tambrahms to name their child as such. Similarly, no reason to keep away from the name "Ramasamy" . Names cannot be appropriated just like values cannot be notwithstanding the silly accusations one sees in this forum sometimes.
 
கால பைரவன்;342240 said:
Gautama Maharishi is one of the seven great sages (Saptarishis). It is perfectly fine for Tambrahms to name their child as such. Similarly, no reason to keep away from the name "Ramasamy" . Names cannot be appropriated just like values cannot be notwithstanding the silly accusations one sees in this forum sometimes.

dear KB,

i did not know of gautama maharishi and would accept your explanation. what about siddharth?

ramaswamy, much as i like it, i think the community as a whole would consider it 'old fashioned'.. much like muthuswamy, guruswamy or narayanaswamy. nowadays single or two syllable names appear to be the norm. maybe ram or guru or swamy.
 
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