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Dear Indian-ji,

My comments in maroon:

indian said:
Dear Shri Happy Hindu ji
Sinhalese do not hate "Tamil". They only hate "Hinduism". You can see the acceptance of Tamil in every level of administration in Columbu. But it is Hinduism especially the Murthy worship is what they hate to the core , while they themselves being a kind of idol worshipers with MahaVamsa belief. But the current conflict we see between Tamils and Sinhalese is nothing to do with the above. It is purely territorial dominance that is the cause. But once the conflict is resolved , Sinhalese will exhibit their true anti-indian/anti-hindu nature. It is in their ideology to hate Hindus, more specifically Brahmins.

Hmmm...cud this be a generalization? Am not sure...since the sinhalese i have come across neither hate hindusim nor brahmins nor idol worship. Could it be that the ones you have come across are the staunch buddhist kind?

Then there is this prob of india actually having 'created' or contributing to the creation of the Ltte Tigers. Sinhalese seem to have gotten over it, but there are vested interests who will keep doing the "remainding" job to keep fanning divisive flames.

And then there is this karma that what goes around comes around. Whenever a demon in unleased it always comes back to haunt oneself (eg: Rajiv Gandhi killed by LTTE).

Other classic examples: Taliban created by CIA, americans contributed to creating ISI, americans "used" Iraq to stem the growth of rouge state Iran (for having islamic conquest ambitions) and then when Iraq got too big for its boots the americans went and whacked them and now what have they on their hands.

But yes, i agree with you that the civil war there is only for territorial dominance. The ceylonese, both tamils and sinhala ones, are very capable of taking care of themselves. Perhaps the IPKF was a mistake. To a layman, it appears that its best for India not to interfere in others' matters since there are enuf headaches on indian soil to take care first.

Quite surprisingly Lankan Tamils love us. They take pride in our academic achievements and boast as the achievement of their lot. I was quite surprised. Be it Tamil Hindu or Tamil Christian , they still identify themselves as Indian Hindu only.

I agree all the way. I have not come across a tamil christian identifying oneself as a hindu, but generally i find no diff b/w a lankan christian or hindu. All Lankan Tamils are a very cultured, academic sort, fantastic conversationalists, great company (always loved their company). Its really difficult situation they are in.

One hopes that the sinhala-government never repeates its past mistakes ever again. Then again, you see that tamils and sinhala folk geting along well outside Lanka. Life is such a perplexing paradox, isn't it...
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Dear Shri HappyHindu ji,

I cannot agree more with you on your theme. "What goes around , comes around". Rajiv is quite a loss to India. But currently India seems to be doing the mistake all over again. India was successfull against the Tigers. But, in our zeal to curb them, we have encouraged the Lankans to aquire all kinds of weapons, military and strategic partnerships. And we have also been supplying arms to them. No matter which country it is, once the military aquires strength , arms and partnerships, they will put it to use , even if it is against the will of their own people. And in case of Sri Lanka , they have got a good pre-text that India was the one who messed them up for decades.

To think that they will get into partnership with India is not wise. Because India will always be perceived as threat for its autonomy. It will not be in the interest of their politicians and military. So they will rather go for Pakistan or China. We have been seeing this happening even post Rajiv period, when India went to them with open arms.
 
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>>And in case of Sri Lanka , they have got a good pre-text that India was the one who messed them up for decades.<<

Black is beauty and beauty is truth.

sb
 
Army India

The latest report by the independent Comptroller and Auditor General said the state's production of 23mm ammunition for Shilka anti-aircraft cannons and 30mm guns mounted on infantry combat vehicles lacked quality. Further, supply was nearly 35% short of requirements.

India's huge tank is in bad shape due to a shortage of Russian spare parts, while indigenous efforts, such as the main battle tank Arjun, have failed.

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KA21Df02.html
 
indian said:
Dear Shri HappyHindu ji,

I cannot agree more with you on your theme. "What goes around , comes around". Rajiv is quite a loss to India. But currently India seems to be doing the mistake all over again. India was successfull against the Tigers. But, in our zeal to curb them, we have encouraged the Lankans to aquire all kinds of weapons, military and strategic partnerships. And we have also been supplying arms to them. No matter which country it is, once the military aquires strength , arms and partnerships, they will put it to use , even if it is against the will of their own people. And in case of Sri Lanka , they have got a good pre-text that India was the one who messed them up for decades.

To think that they will get into partnership with India is not wise. Because India will always be perceived as threat for its autonomy. It will not be in the interest of their politicians and military. So they will rather go for Pakistan or China. We have been seeing this happening even post Rajiv period, when India went to them with open arms.
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Sir, that's precisely the reason Indian aligns with the Lankan govt. They do seem to have learnt the lesson that what goes around comes around. It does seem better that India supports the Lankan govt; or there is no reason stopping the Lankans from going to Pak or China for the same support. But then its best they do not interfere at all (and that's not really possible, is it?). Btw, Pak was supposed to have supported and supplied stuff to the tigers (some were also caught procuring stuff from the indonesian army). Lets not forget the tigers were involved in petty stuff to raise money once...before getting into the days of credit card fraud and all.

There are sinhalese who agree that their politicians have ruined their country. Its too complex a situation for anyone to decide who's on whose side. Its just business for some cold-blooded folk and torn-emotions for the masses. I hereby conclude my postings on this subject. Thanks.
 
Pak-China Terror duo

a rattled Pakistan hit back by warning the US that "if the Obama administration didn't adopt a positive policy" towards it, Islamabad would "review all options", which was seen as a thinly-guarded threat to pull out of the fight against Taliban and al-Qaida in Afghanistan...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/..._if_Obama_not_patient/articleshow/4013132.cms

Pakis are un-belivable.Ultimatum to the super-power of the world,some nerve i must say!

sb
 
Linking Pakistan with neighboring Afghanistan "on the front line of our global counterterrorism efforts," Clinton told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that "we will use all the elements of our powers -- diplomacy, development and defense -- to work with those . . . who want to root out al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other violent extremists." She also said those in Pakistan who do not join the effort will pay a price, adding a distinctly new element to the long-standing U.S. effort to lure Pakistan closer to the West.
In blunt terms in her written answers to the committee's questions, Clinton pledged that Washington will "condition" future U.S. military aid on Pakistan's efforts to close down terrorist training camps and evict foreign fighters.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/23/AR2009012304189.html?hpid=topnews

Democrats mean biz.Watchout terrorists,the Lions are out and prowling again.

sb
 
Dem's Lead Initiative

'Well, it's not in his (Holbrook's) mandate to deal with the subject of Kashmir. His mandate is to go out and try to help bring stability to Afghanistan, working closely with Pakistan to try to deal with the situation in the Federally-Administered Tribal Area,' State Department spokesman Robert Wood told reporters yesterday in response to a query.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan/28indpak-zardari-compares-kashmir-with-palestine.htm

Zardari is so out of touch with reality in present President Obama's administartion.Zardaris is trying to deliberately hyphenate India,when the envoy is on a mission to set right Afghan-Paki worst case scenario.President Obama has been reaching out to Muslim world,it is a moment for Pakis to stabilise their country and leave India alone.I suspect Zardari got Benazir executed thru jihadis.

sb
 
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Seshadri Subramaniam said:
First it was "stateless actors"

Now, this:

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/jan...ry-not-used-to-plan-26-11-claims-pakistan.htm
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At least the Pakis stateless actors acted in cahoots with the state actors,but in Indias case,as usual mute spectators alongwith Indian citizens but now also International citizens like American,Brits,Germans,Italians,Canadians,Singaporeans,Malaysians........etc
What a shame for India and Indians to expect,the dog's tail to straighten up!!!

sb
 
Muslims,join with Christians

Diplomatic and other sources told PTI that the Pakistani security establishment and the senior-most American diplomats had been referring to a possible Bangladeshi connection to the Mumbai attacks in the past few days. Both Pakistani security officials and US diplomats have also been making a case for greater regional cooperation, the sources said.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/05huji-planned-26-11-attack-claims-pak-probe-report.htm

sb
 
Mukti Bahini

In his confessional statement, which is in rediff.com's possession, Sabahuddin stated that Lashkar operatives use the porous Bangladesh border whenever they flee from India. He added that Abdul Azeez, a Lashkar operative, monitored the movements of terrorists crossing the border.

http://specials.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/05mumterror-huji-integral-part-of-lashkar-says-ib.htm

Bangladesh came into existence,only becoz Mrs.G helped Sheik Mujibur Rahman.Some gratitude,the Bangladeshis are displaying towards India now.

Now,its becoming evident,that Indias misplaced sense of maturity towards non-violence,is viewed as,a weakness,to strike back.Indian political leaders of various parties,should definitely,react to this nonsense happening around their neighborhood.

sb
 
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Seshadri Subramaniam said:
See this..

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/05huji-planned-26-11-attack-claims-pak-probe-report.htm

They are now trying to prove that nothing takes place inside pakistan... dubai is mentioned... and indian support is also mentioned... they are looping in al queda as well...

In a diplomatic way, and under pressure, they are trying to turn the tables slowly....
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S S

I think,sooner or later,India-Paki,bombing is going to start,especially Paki denials of this magnitude.I think Chiddu is being backed by USA too,as Sonia made him Home Minister,in the reshuffle.Chiddu is pro-american views with south Indian conservatism.

sb
 
http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/07beng-bangalore-serial-blasts-case-cracked.htm

Methinks that cracking cases are only for media attention and for use by the crafty politicians.... we have had umpteen incidents of foreign intrusion, and guess what - we are still groping around in the dark as to a strict action plan... while pakistan is merrily discarding Indian evidence as baseless and contrived...

At least we should sentence these jihadis to death... nothing less that that... and not afford them a religious burial. This would be a dampener in their extremist instincts...

Bah... the way justice is handled only leads one to frustration and indifference.
 
S S

The nuclear scientist has been released in Paki.Can you believe it?This guy gave the knowhow to Iran,North Korea,Libya which we know officially and who know whom else he has given this technology.I really empathise with Americans,becoz without their technological prowess,none of these chaps,could even figure out,how to drill oil from their lands.Except for chanting Allahu Akbar and killing Hindus and occupying India for 800 years,and terrorising Indians.

All these Bofors guns,Russians Tanks,British Jaguars,American F18's....etc are now just toys to be paraded on Jan 26th every years....a showpiece...uppu pottu sapadu sapadrangala illiya nnu oru doubt wanthuduthhu?

sb
 
ha ha... rightly said... but the shrewd sheikhs have been smart in recognizing the enormous importance of oil and their need to stay together... even though usa has a hold in the gulf, there is a great ill will towards them...

usa, it seems, is considering sanctions to pakistan on the release of AQ... i think they may cut the interest rate on their loan to pakistan by 1%... for all we know...:decision:
 
No.USA is in dire need of Pakis.Without Pakis help,no Osama Bin Laden,Zawahiri,...etc Al-Qaeda or Talibans Mullah Omar....Afghanistan is the actual war of USA but got distracted to Iraq,becoz G W Bush was lobbied for Presidency by Oil Companies.Though he smartly used his twice born christian slogan thru cheney who is a dick with bush!

sb
 
Cia

The northern supply route is important to the US and NATO because supply routes in southern Afghanistan are often attacked by Taliban and Al Qaeda militants. On Tuesday, Taliban militants blew up a land bridge near Peshawar, Pakistan, cutting off a central supply route for US-led forces in Afghanistan. The next day, militants torched 10 supply trucks returning from Afghanistan to Pakistan.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0206/p03s07-usmi.html

The Pakistanis are doing zilch to protect American interests,despite John Kerry,saying there is a transformation in political & military leadership of Pakistan!!!!!!But then CIA has become Central Idiot Agency.Can't believe that India & USA still do not have a friendship treaty in place like that of NATO!!Its about time Pakistan is declared a terrorist State,with state actors,and Zardari as the leader.!!!!

sb
 
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Jammu & Kashmir

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/09mumterror-india-has-no-real-military-options.htm

India has to decide what kind of neighbour it wants. It has to figure out what type of Pakistan it wants and what policies it must have to achieve that objective. For a number of reasons, India should resolve its internal Kashmir issues not only due to Pakistan but due to its own domestic political concerns. However, I think it is important to note that regional issues are not the most important driver of Pakistan's behaviour in the region.
For this reason, I am sceptical that the Holbrooke effort will achieve the results that people are hoping for. Pakistan's fears of India are much greater than the border issues and the US has limited capability to make Pakistan feel less insecure.
 
My Day Is Made Today

The United States is not in Afghanistan to make it our 51st state -- but to make sure it does not become an al-Qaeda narco-state and terrorist beachhead capable of destabilizing neighboring Pakistan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy.../02/09/AR2009020902096.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

ha ..ha haa

Its Pakistan which destabilised Afghanistan using Pashtun Talibanis,with its strategic depth.And bleed India policy with ISI creating frankensteins like Let Jaish Mohd Tehrik I Ansari......all jihadi groups.This brainwashing of Americans should stop,if we need to be loved and respected with credibility again,in the world.What a gas....

sb
 
India is Unprepared For War With Pakistan


 - In the first official admission that is not ready for war, particularly with Pakistan, Defense Minister A K Antony has blamed government red tape for delays in modernizing the military.

http://atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KB11Df01.html

What the hell???????????????????????????????????

sb
 
Al-Qaeda is Pakistans Terror Weapon

What Holbrooke is going to deal with in Pakistan is far beyond the realms of cognitive processes. There is nothing like this in the Balkans where he impressed with his forceful diplomatic skills. The Khyber is a mysterious place that breeds poltergeist stories. Yazid's reappearance testifies to the region's strange powers.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2009/feb/10-pakistan-resurrects-an-al-qaeda-ghost.htm

Al-Qaeda is Pakistan and Pakistan is Saudi Arabia stooge!!

sb
 
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