Why do we go through bad phase which make them look more terrible

[KUMARRA]

Share:

Facebook X (Twitter) LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Share Link

:juggle:

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear sir !
is it in your married life or official work ?
what ever may be it is cos of your way of handling it .to some extent on poorva janma punniyam if you have belief in it .
guruvayurappan

 

[Acharya]

Dear Kumarra,

You have started a topic which could set off a series of discussions, debates etc which can go on never ending.

I am not a philosopher or great teacher. I am an ordinary human being. A very ordinary one in that. But I can empathize with you completely as a fellow human being.

This is a question which men from every race, ethnicity, faith system, group etc have raised over ages and have never come to a complete understanding. Different scriptures provide varied explanations and advises on how to conduct yourself, what attitude to carry under adverse circumstances.

Gold and Silver shine only when refined in the heat of fire. So do human beings. But in the case of humans, the refining process is painful since we have feelings, emotions etc. It is the furnace of afflictions, adversity, ordeals, hardships, catastrophes, calamities, cataclysms that refine a human being. It is the crude that need refining. It is the sick who need a physician.

The Bagwad Gita explains it as Poorva Janma palan. The Bible explains it as chastening by God of the one whom He loves most. I do not know how the Quran and other scriptures explain.

Your question is 'Why do we go through bad phase?'. You might also ask 'Why not?'. Try finding an answer for 'Why not?' and you will unfold many a mystery of life.

Numerous men have provided us explanations and teachings on the above queries and sure enough their impartations provide plenty of comfort, healing, console. Amazingly they themselves have passed through such circumstances and they were no exception.

Recollect the story of Harischandra, Nala, the Pandavas and many from Hindu mythologies.

Buddha and Mahavira had to quit their comfort zones to lead many.

Read the Book of Job, the story of Joseph, of David and of Jesus who was crucified for absolutely no fault of His, from the Bible. I trust you would be thankful for being spared of all those afflictions.

Regards,
Acharya

 

[renuka]

Technically in Sanathana Dharma there is no Good or Bad situations/phases.

That way we can say Karma itself is a collection of actions and reactions...I would even go one step further by saying the actions and reactions are actually neutral and it is the person who experiences the situation who feels good or bad.

Good and Bad itself is subjective cos what is good for me might be bad to another.

A Drug Lord who made a good amount of money might scream Ajit Kumar Mangakatha Movie Style "Gimme More Gimme More"
He feels good for what might be bad for others.

So it all depends how we view things.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

good replies from Acharya and Renuka.

just my thought goes to Kundi Devi Prayer.. She Prayed for difficult situations and hardships so that she can think of LORD.

 

[sravna]

There may be situations that may mislead most of the people into wrong actions. There may be situations that may make people see sense. The way people react also mainly depends on their own beliefs. Generally one who is spiritually inclined is equable in almost any situation and even bad situations do not affect him much.

 

[renuka]

I have a question here..many a times when things do not go "right" as in the way we want it some
recommend pariharams to be done.
But my doubt is..just say that pariharam works..is that problem considered solved or just postponed to another date or another birth?

Cos if it is postponed to a later date or another birth why don't we just get over with it in this birth itself?

Hopefully some members can shed some light on this.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

pls reflect on sankalpa mantra.... dhurita kshayadwara.....PapPam to get crushed.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

Certain events are destined to happen. We cannot do anything about them. But there are some actions which are based on our freewill. When we do such actions which are not subject to destiny, reactions can be produced which are in our favour. Pariharams IMO do that. The result would be seen I think in the same birth since pariharams are supposed to rectify present birth problems

 

[prasad1]

I have a question here..many a times when things do not go "right" as in the way we want it some
recommend pariharams to be done.
But my doubt is..just say that pariharam works..is that problem considered solved or just postponed to another date or another birth?

Cos if it is postponed to a later date or another birth why don't we just get over with it in this birth itself?

Hopefully some members can shed some light on this.

I am from the vedanta school, I do not believe that pariharm can change Karmphala. It may prepare you to accept the Karmphala in a better light at best.
Time and Tide waits for no one. I have the same problem with prediction of horoscope, and pariharms.
If you believe in horoscope and pariharm, you really do not believe in Brahman. You may be believing in some other form of God. Brahman is impartial.
If Brahman is not impartial, and can be bought by asking for favors, or bribed, or being petitioned by a lobbyist, then we are accepting Brahman as a politician. That defies all definition of the term Brahman.

 

[sravna]

Dear Prasad,

We are not bribing brahman. We are setting right the sins of our previous births through the act of pariharams. It is a way of repentance for our free will based actions of our past lives so that adverse reactions are not elicited.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Prasad,

We are not bribing brahman. We are setting right the sins of our previous births through the act of pariharams. It is a way of repentance for our free will based actions of our past lives so that adverse reactions are not elicited.

Yes!!! That's for what Pariharams are...


Most of the pariharams involve giving something in charity along with spiritual practices/poojas. When a person do this by way of giving alms/donations, he is symbolicaly paying something in return that he is supposed to (as per his previous or present karma) pay while truly repenting for this miss deeds and offering his obeisance to almighty with purity of his conscience, pleading the Supreme being to accept his penance and to fructify positivty to his favor.

The nett outcome and the time taken is still in the hands of the supreme being.

One can do any number of pariharams after interntially doing wrong things. Such Pariharams can help some poor to get benefitted some way. BUT, Spiritually would work no way positively for the benefit of the performer.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Prasad,

We are not bribing brahman. We are setting right the sins of our previous births through the act of pariharams. It is a way of repentance for our free will based actions of our past lives so that adverse reactions are not elicited.

Sravnji,
I beg to differ. Pariharm may be the placebo effect, but should not be able to affect the karmphala. If you can influence Karmphala it defeats the whole theory of Karma.

If a Mafioso hit man can get absolution from his priest and wipe the slate clean, he can go back to his killing ways.
Similarly if you can do a bad thing and then do pariharm to mitigate it, what stops you from repeating it again. I think that is cynical view and defeats the entire Karma theory.

Impartial brahman means that it should be beyond getting influenced, and results should be impartial.

 

[prasad1]

Sravnji,
Talking it a step further, by doing pariharm to offset the the prior karmas, you might be adding more karmphalas added to your account. the only prescribed way to mitigate accumulated karmphala is to do nishkama karma. Pariharam are not nishkama karma. That might be the misunderstanding.

Nishkam Karma, gets an important place in the Bhagavad Gita, the central text of Mahabharata , where Krishna advocates 'Nishkam Karma Yoga' (the Yoga of Selfless Action) as the ideal path to realize the Truth. Allocated work done without expectations, motives, or thinking about its outcomes tends to purify one's mind and gradually makes an individual fit to see the value of reason and the benefits of renouncing the work itself. These concepts are vividly described in the following verses:
To action alone hast thou a right and never at all to its fruits; let not the fruits of action be thy motive; neither let there be in thee any attachment to inaction.
- Verse 47, Chapter 2-Samkhya theory and Yoga practise, The Bhagavadgita
"Fixed in yoga, do thy work, O Winner of wealth (Arjuna), abandoning attachment, with an even mind in success and failure, for evenness of mind is called yoga"
- Verse 2.48
"With the body, with the mind, with the intellect, even merely with the senses, the Yogis perform action toward self-purification, having abandoned attachment. He who is disciplined in Yoga, having abandoned the fruit of action, attains steady peace..."
- Verse 5.11

If pariharm were to be effective why did krishna not preach it to Arjuna for salvation?


We are always looking for a shortcut, and chasing and getting lost in this constant search for shortcuts. If we stick to the straight path in front of us and expect no miracles we will reach our destination.

 

[sravna]

Dear Prasad,

No I am not saying you can do something wrong and then free yourself from the consequences by doing pariharams. It is a genuine redress for your past sins. So commiting a wrong and then hoping to set it right with pariharams will not work.

 

[sravna]

Dear Prasad,

Pariharams are not a way to salvation. It is only a way to mitigate our sins. We cannot truly tamper with all our karma. Only certain karma can be offset this way.

I confess I am not an expert on this and it is only my interpretation. Knowledgeable members may shed light on this.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Prasad,

Pariharams are not a way to salvation. It is only a way to mitigate our sins. We cannot truly tamper with all our karma. Only certain karma can be offset this way.

I confess I am not an expert on this and it is only my interpretation. Knowledgeable members may shed light on this.

It would seem I am arguing a point. I am no expert either.

You are somewhat of an expert on Advaita and vedanta, in your view what is sin? Who gets the effect of sin. There is no action which is sin, Sin is your attachment to the results of that action.
Killing for self gratification or money is sin, but killing in the defense of the country is not sin.
So in my opinion a self less act is the only way to mitigate karmaphala of previous action. If you do pariharm with the object of mitigating some previous sin you are entering more karmphala (may be on debit or credit side). It does not mitigate anything.

On the other hand if you work to alleviating the suffering of thousands of people, that is lot better than a pariharm you can do.

The accounting of the Karmphala is like a ledger.
The debits are entered on one side and the credits are entered on the other side.
The ledger keeps growing. We reduce the entries only by doing Nishkama karma.
The ultimate aim is to wipe out the entire ledger for salvation.
In this process in my opinion Pariharms are an hinderance, and do not help at all.
So the peddlers of Pariharm should advocate Nishkama Karma. So please prescribe community service.

 

[renuka]

I am from the vedanta school, I do not believe that pariharm can change Karmphala. It may prepare you to accept the Karmphala in a better light at best.
Time and Tide waits for no one. I have the same problem with prediction of horoscope, and pariharms.
If you believe in horoscope and pariharm, you really do not believe in Brahman. You may be believing in some other form of God. Brahman is impartial.
If Brahman is not impartial, and can be bought by asking for favors, or bribed, or being petitioned by a lobbyist, then we are accepting Brahman as a politician. That defies all definition of the term Brahman.

Dear Prasadji,

I once had to do a specific havan for a departed person and do a Go dhaan too(in form of cash)..you see I have no problems doing it for others if their mindset believes in these being done...but what the priest told us later was a bit shocking cos he said that "since you have done Go Dhanam the departed person will get a bull to ride on in 2 days time in her journey in the other world and she would not have to suffer walking like other souls"

My father was kind of shocked to hear that and asked me later "Renu..don't you think that amounts to corruption?"

I could not agree or disagree with my father..cos I was just wondering how does the priest know that in 2 days time the departed person will get a bull?"

Sometimes I really don't know what is the truth anymore.

 

[sangom]

:juggle:[h=2]

Why do we go through bad phase which make them look more terrible

[/h] Dear Sir,

I am not very good in English, but, it is not clear to me as to what you intend by "them" and, secondly, more terrible than what? I am giving my views on the assumption that the word "them" refers to bad phases (in life) and 'more terrible' is just your way of expression.

A life (any life, for that matter) happens or comes into being in this world because there are some Karmas done by somebody at sometime whose results have not yet been experienced in this world in the form of pleasures and pains to this physical body in this physical plane. (I consider it something like foreign exchange; even if one brings a lot of US$ on his return from foreign tour, he has to convert those $s into Indian Rupees if he wants to get the benefit thereof in India (and similarly in many other countries, I believe).

Hence, depending upon what assortment of Karmas have caused one's birth, that person is bound to experience good and bad results here on Earth during this life. Some people come down with a very large amount of bad Karmas which necessarily entail suffering as its consequence. But there may be people who are generally experiencing good results but when some bad patch occurs at some time, such people consider these small downturns also as terrible bad patches.

The best solution for any one is the age-old wisdom-advice, viz., to firmly believe "THIS TOO SHALL PASS" and cultivate a bit of stoicism in their attitude and get on with their mundane life to the best of their abilities.

Ultimately Fate overrules all that we may do. So, the next thing we can do is to ensure that we do not commit bad karmas any more. And what is the definition of bad Karma? The Bible has the answer succinctly:

"Therefore all things whatsoever you would that men should do to you, do you even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

 

[sravna]

Dear Prasad,

Sin is something you do under the influence of the six enemies. If you ask me it is both destiny based and free will based. The karma of the former cannot be offset. I am talking about offsetting the karma of the latter.

Also it is my opinion that non attachment results or is possible as you expend karma and it is not that karma is offset by non attachment.

 

[prasad1]

The karmphala is not entered on your ledger due to non-attachment.

 

[sravna]

Prasad,

Think of it. You cannot consciously prevent the mind from being attached to the fruits of the actions. But what you can do is do your duty and let the effects get rid of your karma which helps in freeing your mind.

 

[prasad1]

Prasad,

Think of it. You cannot consciously prevent the mind from being attached to the fruits of the actions. But what you can do is do your duty and let the effects get rid of your karma which helps in freeing your mind.

I am going to state, that Pariharm is a waste of time, if you understand Law of Karma.
I am not going to argue that point with you
Gita chapter-2 verse -55.
Arjuna said: O Krishna, what is the mark
Of a person whose Prajna is steady
And merged in superconscious state?
How does a person of steady Prajna speak?
How does such a person sit and walk?


Krishna said:
When one is completely free
From all desires of the mind
And is satisfied in the Self by the Self,
Then one is called a person of steady Prajna, O Arjuna.


A person whose mind is unperturbed by sorrow,
Who does not crave pleasures, and who is free
From attachment, fear, and anger;
Such a person is called a sage of steady Prajna.


Those who are not attached to anything,
Who are neither elated by getting desired results
Nor troubled by undesired results,
Their Prajna is deemed steady.


When one can completely withdraw
The senses from the sense objects
As a tortoise withdraws its limbs,
Then the Prajna of such a person
Is considered steady.

 

[sravna]

Prasad,

Krishna is talking about an unperturbed mind. It indeed is non-attached. Yes Krishna does say do your duty without attachment to the fruits of your actions. The performance of your duty with a motive of non-attachment results in non-attachment. So first comes the performance of your duty or karma and then automatically follows the desired state of mind.

 

[prasad1]

Sir,

Earlier it was marrief life now it has completely solved and we are living a happily with our children. But know it is Official and very much financial difficulties.

Sorry sir, Our sympathies are with you.
Not understanding your personal situation we were throwing Vedanta at you.
May God help you in your difficulties. You need some mental peace to work out your problems.