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[KUMARRA]

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Thank you Acharya, it is true the Karma of Poorva Janma palan but i think from the Current Scenario that is in Kalug it is Current Janma Palan in other words it is fastest verdict of Jugment as even Devtas dont want to wait and give verdict for next janam it is the fastest court of judgement, [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]for example what we see in the current political scenario.

I have heard the story,read the story it is one's own faith and this faith we should never leave whatever the circumstances it is a testing period of person to person that God sees how much patience the person has got faith in God. It is is very easy to lose temper and patience but getting back is very very difficult.

"Our goal is to have the best Patience Is The Best Medicine of all cure and remedy and above all have faith in Supreme God" The day will come back automatically but no one can say the time as it cannot be stopped"

 

[KUMARRA]

Dear Member i have watched one Video of Bhagavad Gita which i would like to share with all members the link for the same is

Shrimad Bhagvad Gita in Hindi Shrimad Bhagavad Gita in Hindi (Full) - YouTube

There are other translation version of all language, like English,Tamil,Malyalam etc

 

[KUMARRA]

Thank you Acharya, it is true the Karma of Poorva Janma palan but i think from the Current Scenario that is Kalug it is Current Janma Palan in other words it is fastest verdict of Jugment as even Devtas dont want to wait and give verdict it is the fastest court of judgement, [COLOR=#DA7911 !important]for example what we see in the current poltical scenario.

I have heard the story,read the story it is one's own faith and this faith we should never leave whatever the circumstances it is a testing period of person to person that God sees how much patience the person has got faith in God. It is is very easy to lose temper and patience but getting back is very very difficult.

" [/COLOR]Our goal is to have the best Patience Is The Best Medicine of all cure and remedy and above all have faith in Supreme God" The day will come back automatically but time no one can say as it cannot be stopped"

 

[renuka]

Prasad,

Think of it. You cannot consciously prevent the mind from being attached to the fruits of the actions. But what you can do is do your duty and let the effects get rid of your karma which helps in freeing your mind.

Dear Sravna,

It is not impossible to not be attached to the fruits of action..but I feel we need to be guided by the learned to think that way.

Once my fathers relatives wanted us to join them do a Homa and so we agreed and everyone of my fathers relatives were asking the priest something or the other.

Later the priest came over to my dad and me and asked us"Don't you have any questions?"

We said "No".

Then he said "Don't know want to know the benefits you will get from this Homa"

We said "Let the Homa be dedicated to God"

He was "but surely you want some benefits..everyone of your relatives wanted to know the benefits before they agreed to do the Hona..are you not satisfied with anything that you seem not keen to know about the benefits"

Then I told him"Karmanyevaadhikaraste Ma Phaleshu Kadacana"

The priest said "Aiyoo..if people started thinking like you..I won't have a job..I won't have a livelihood"

I was wondering....so sometimes the Karmaphala is used as bait even by priest when they are actually in the position to advice people not to be attached to the fruits of actions.

A priest can advise someone to do any prayer dedicated to God especially if the mindset of the person is keen for dedicating all actions to God.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

well said sravana, that's why nishkamya karma like sanndhyavandanams are prescribed... its not easy to do all our actions as nishkamya ... it takes practice .

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

prasadji

Brahman needs to be understood not believed.only regard to god belief system comes in picture

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

renukji
1. all rituals are dedicatedto lord at conclusion.... sarvam brahmarpanamasthu...
2. ma phaleshu kadachana - results are not in your hand ,, that's all. we still can expect our desired results ..

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

It is in fact the goal of every soul to be not attached to the fruits of action. Abandoning attachment can be an objective and when it is really accomplished you are self realized.

 

[renuka]

Will continue discussion a bit later..keep it going..really nice.
I am going Diwali shopping bye bye.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

Also our shastra divide crimes in 2 divisions Major and Minor crimes. For minor crimes there are pariharams, for major one there are no pariharms. (Abortion comes under major crimes with no pariharams)

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

Dear Prasadji,

I once had to do a specific havan for a departed person and do a Go dhaan too(in form of cash)..you see I have no problems doing it for others if their mindset believes in these being done...but what the priest told us later was a bit shocking cos he said that "since you have done Go Dhanam the departed person will get a bull to ride on in 2 days time in her journey in the other world and she would not have to suffer walking like other souls"

My father was kind of shocked to hear that and asked me later "Renu..don't you think that amounts to corruption?"

I could not agree or disagree with my father..cos I was just wondering how does the priest know that in 2 days time the departed person will get a bull?"

Sometimes I really don't know what is the truth anymore.

for this you must read Garuda Puranam.. it is not corruption, it is paying for the tapas of brahmana to give good after life to one's forefather. Actually the brahamana tapas is lost in accepting these kind of Dhanaams.

Since these are works of GREAT RISHIS and compiled by no other than the GREAT VYASA BHAGVAN, our scoiety didnt have any difficulty in accepting these. Periyava sonna PERUMALE sonn mathiri.

 

[prasad1]

Who is great and who is not great, depends on the person bestowing the degree. The person bestowing the degree has to be in a higher position to bestow the degree. That is very subjective.

If Natciketa can question the motives of his father, we have the right to question the motives of any one. It is a pity that Hindus have forgotten their own origin and follow the abrahamic rule of not questioning the pope.
God given intellect should be used to discriminate right from wrong, instead of following foolish advice.

The whole concept of Gita was that Krishna had to give reason to Arjuna, and explain all the path possible. Arjuna was able to make the decision for himself. Krishna the PERIMALE Himself did not dissuade questions.

 

[renuka]

Periyava sonna PERUMALE sonn mathiri.

LOL! Even Lord Krishna did not give Punch Dialogues!

Kalama Sutta..Lord Buddha's Charter of Free Inquiry.

The Kalama Sutta | Buddhism Teacher

Do not believe in anything (simply) because you have heard it.

Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

Do not believe in anything because it is spoken and rumoured by many.

Do not believe in anything (simply) because it is found written in your religious books.

Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

But after observation and analysis when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conductive to the good and benefit of one and all then accept it and live up to it.


Read this link too.

http://www.sobhana.net/meditation/english/reading/med003.pdf

 

[renuka]

for this you must read Garuda Puranam.. it is not corruption, it is paying for the tapas of brahmana to give good after life to one's forefather. Actually the brahamana tapas is lost in accepting these kind of Dhanaams.

Since these are works of GREAT RISHIS and compiled by no other than the GREAT VYASA BHAGVAN, our scoiety didnt have any difficulty in accepting these. Periyava sonna PERUMALE sonn mathiri.

Dear Sir,

I have read Garuda Puranam before.
I feel to a certain extent it has the intention also to scare us humans to behave well.

I have noted the pariharams there are quiet detail and extensive.

I have started to realize that many of our Hindu customs to a great extent is for balancing the economic equilibrium of a society.

Each cultural practice is to ensure steady income for all 4 Varnas.

So I feel we can choose to discard what is not with current times.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

Who is great and who is not great, depends on the person bestowing the degree. The person bestowing the degree has to be in a higher position to bestow the degree. That is very subjective.

If Natciketa can question the motives of his father, we have the right to question the motives of any one. It is a pity that Hindus have forgotten their own origin and follow the abrahamic rule of not questioning the pope.
God given intellect should be used to discriminate right from wrong, instead of following foolish advice.

The whole concept of Gita was that Krishna had to give reason to Arjuna, and explain all the path possible. Arjuna was able to make the decision for himself. Krishna the PERIMALE Himself did not dissuade questions.

Again in scriptures thare are 2 Divisions, Karma Kanda and Gnana Kandam, In Gnana Kandam you have to question , and are encoruaged to question.

In Karma kandam it is in the form of ISHVARAS ORDER, do's and don'ts list. here no room for questioning .

Nachiketas and Bhagavad geeta for the most part fall into later category.

When comes to Kriya part where Renukaji is finding difficult to put her faith it is KARMA KANDAM part , no amount of answering is going to leave her doubt cleared since the territory we are dealing not within the grasp of our intelligence.

We have to put faith and act no other way. if one don't have faith then they should reflect what is the source of the teaching and who delivers it etc.. The same Vyasa Bhagavan who complied GEETA left us with PURANAS. The exact number of words in each puranas remains the same for thousands of years ... so I personally dont have difficulty in accepting this . (atleast now) ..

If Vyasa Bhagavan is not a Great Rishi according to your standard then I cannot convince you. You can believe in whatever you want to believe.


Renukaji,

Half knowledge is more dangerous ..Buddhists have only half knowledge that is eveything is shunyata .

anyway you can believe whatever you want to believe...

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

there are many punch dialogues in Bhagavat Geeta, one often misquoted punch dialogue is " KARMAN EVA ADHIKARASYA MA PHALESHU KADACHANA"... you can see this in chennai airport upon arrival with a twisted meaning which makes no sense and just hilarious.

To say "we do away with 4 varnas etc.. " is not in our hand..ORDER AND DISORDER are Avan Seyal not in our domain.

Jeeva Shrishti is dominated by LIKES AND DISLIKES and so I don't see rules set by jeeva shristi will benefit all. Also with there half baked intelligence they only managed to bring more chaos than order so far . So I dont want to enter into this domain.

 

[sangom]

Shri Kumarra,

I found this quote in Shri prasad1's post but I could not locate your original post:

"Originally Posted by KUMARRA Sir,

Earlier it was marrief life now it has completely solved and we are living a happily with our children. But know it is Official and very much financial difficulties."

If this is the background of your OP, I will suggest that you consult some good astrologer and show the horoscopes of yourself, your wife and children, then take necessary steps to set right your financial position.

 

[Acharya]

Dear Kumarra,

The great Tamil Saint Poet Thiruvalluvar has advised as follows :

"Idukkan varungaal nahuga".

Meditate on the above also.

Regards,
Acharya

 

[Raghy]

Prasad,

Think of it. You cannot consciously prevent the mind from being attached to the fruits of the actions. But what you can do is do your duty and let the effects get rid of your karma which helps in freeing your mind.

Sri. Sravana, Greetings.

It is very much possible not to be attached to the fruits of our actions. In fact it is more easier to stay that way than expecting and counting the fruits.

I don't care about my 'karmas'. All I know is, if I did something wrong, one day it will come and bite my backside. Never failed so far in my life; so, I am quite convinced, it would be only matter of time before any lack of responsibility to bite my backside. Any of my good deed had not cancelled such backside biting events either. They are not connected to each other.

In my case I have not tried 'preventing my mind' from getting attached to the fruits; I just don't pay too much attention. That's all. Somehow, I started living one day at a time. Just one day.. that's all. So, I never planned too far ahead. I know, most members would say that is not a wise way of living.... well, that's what I did. But never failed to work hard, always made sure the expenses were much less than the household income... now I do my job for the sake of doing that job. But still, always I feel I could do better.

Cheers!

 

[renuka]

When comes to Kriya part where Renukaji is finding difficult to put her faith it is KARMA KANDAM part , no amount of answering is going to leave her doubt cleared since the territory we are dealing not within the grasp of our intelligence.


Renukaji,

Half knowledge is more dangerous ..Buddhists have only half knowledge that is eveything is shunyata .

anyway you can believe whatever you want to believe...

Dear Sir,

When did I say that I have difficulty putting my faith in Karma Kandha?

It's just that I found the priest's answer not within the scope of logic.

I did not say I did not have faith in Karma Kandha..after all all of us practice Karma Kandha rites and rituals even for marriage and death too.

Also just to add I would not want to call Buddhist half knowledge or even say half baked knowledge for anyone.

I find Lord Buddha's teachings very practical and logical.

For me He is an Avatar of Lord Vishnu so I hold His words with high regards.

Misinterpretation of works and teachings can take place in any religion..and we Hindus too are not immune from misinterpretation.

Lord Buddha was a Vedantin in action.

Buddham Sharanam Gacchaami
Dharmam Sharanam Gacchaami
Sangam Sharanam Gacchaami is another way of saying Satyam Vada Dharmam Cara.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

even shiva maha puranam says Lord Vishnu incarnate as Buddha and Vardhamana Mahaveera , to divert asuras. So I agree with that part.

Your last part is not connected - Satyam Vada, Dharmam Chara is AN ORDER ,one of the do list of ISHVARA.
The other one is taking refuge in another religious system which proclaims Niratma, NirIshvara Vada.

what logic did the priest miss ? he simply said the benefit of GO dhanam , I didn't see any big logical ideas missing here.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

But I love to call Buddhist logic system a " half finished job ".

Mula Madhyamakarika of Nagarjuna is the final BUDDHANTA book and the final say of Buddhist.

Where they clearly challenge our vedanta and said Atma is Shunyata .. what mis-interpretation?

 

[renuka]

even shiva maha puranam says Lord Vishnu incarnate as Buddha and Vardhamana Mahaveera , to divert asuras. So I agree with that part.

Your last part is not connected - Satyam Vada, Dharmam Chara is AN ORDER ,one of the do list of ISHVARA.
The other one is taking refuge in another religious system which proclaims Niratma, NirIshvara Vada.

what logic did the priest miss ? he simply said the benefit of GO dhanam , I didn't see any big logical ideas missing here.

Dear Sir,

I have read that part and I find no logic in that.
I do not see any reason why God has to divert attention of Asuras.

It is only men that will deceive others by misguiding them.

God is NOT Anti Asura.God is God for everyone and every being.

God comes to uplift everyone.

BTW I found the part where the priest said that Go Dhanam will make the deceased get a free bull ride that too in 2 days time does not make sense.

That way if I donate a BMW to the priest will the deceased get a BMW?

The priest went on to even ask me for a piece of land later if I wanted to give him...saying that the deceased would be blessed with a huge place to stay..I was wondering what else the priest wanted?(I off course did not give him land cos I am not that rich)

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

Nallu perrukku nallathunna ethuvume thappillai.... these are Vishnu Maya to protect the world with our meagre intelligence we cannot pass judgements.

Though Ashura and Devas are his children why Lord preferred to give Amirtha to DEVAS only? When Devas rule there is order and there is a scope for 4 purushartas to find fulfillment but when Ashuras rule, they benefit few in Artha and Kama BUT majority suffer so Lord should balance the power . ...

It is too simple to think that Lord is here to protect all , all are protected infact the ATMA is ever present and needs no protection what needed is a way for buddhi to develop and appreciate this fact.

For this LORD will have to bring suffering and happiness make them think and develop buddhi. that's why the symbolic churning of ocean with Devas and Ashuras holding the power in cycle.
the amirta is the buddhi finally recognizing the true nature of SELF ....(good hunch?)

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

some priests are like that a bit greedy, It is like this from Ramayana kaalam , see the verses in Sundara Kandam of Ramayanam, where Sita thinks the greatness of Rama..

"...........

Aruthi Vedhiyarkku AAN thagai eenthu
avar ullam karutthin aasai karaiinmai kandu
irai sirritha mugatthinai unnuval.."

On the day of departure to forest , When Lord gives all his household wealth to various people , he gave way the cows to the vedic brahmins, but in the brahmins heart they are greedy to get more cows and left with no satisfaction , the lord saw and smiled.Sita Thinks of Lords face of that time.