Why were we named after Gods?

[Raji Ram]

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I have come across some interesting names-Vivek Chandranath, Harsha Vardhan Narayan, Sanjeev Vaidyanathan, Vijkram Sivaraman which is a combination of modern & traditional

Dear Sir,

The modern one is the name of the person and the traditional dad's name is added, I think!

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna Sir,

I know. But when a mAmi adds 'dEy' as prefix to the God's name of her son, it irritates me!

Dear Smt. RR,

The mami is after all the mother. Why deny the privilege? Anyway bhakthas directly address God as "dey". No cause for irritation I think.

 

[wrongan]

Dear Raji Ram I accept you are genious than me and I am 50 years older than you (Ie. my story belongs to 1960)

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Pranams,

Actually what is in a name?

I have come across names like High Court, Pitchai, Puzhuthi, etc

And some will have two, three names, for example, family circle will call by a nick name, friends circle will call by one name and records will bear one name which is authenticated.

Most of my Tirunelveli friends are called by names like Chandra Mouli, Surya Narayanan, Sankara Narayanan, Surya Moorthy, etc

We have a unique celebration called Namakaranam which is one among the 16 Hindu Samskaras and considered as a most important function held on 12[SUP]th[/SUP] day of birth of the baby. The routine thing is that Sastrigal will select few alphabets in accordance with the date and time of birth of the child. Parents & Grand Parents will discuss and select few names and the child will be given name starting with those letters. But in most of the families it is a practice to keep the names of elders, viz. forefathers. Some name their baby after Gods obviously for reasons of vow taken. Rice grains are spread on a thambalam and the father used to write the chosen name on it. Then he whispers the name into the child's right ear four times.

Does the name given after observing such ritual, really has any influence over individual’s personal life, character, prospects, etc?

Why then people do change their names by applying to Government?

Members can share their opinion.

With regards


P.S: There is one more practice like parents having their baby named by their favorite hero, Political Leaders, etc


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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[renuka]

Pranams,

Actually what is in a name?

There is a Sanskrit line to describe what is in a name.

संज्ञा करणं व्यवहारार्थं लोके

saMjJA karaNaM vyavahArArthaM loke

It means "A terminology or name is employed in the world for the sake of usage"

So going by that I guess that is why we all have been given names so that it can be used to call us.

Otherwise how will we address each other?

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... So going by that I guess that is why we all have been given names so that it can be used to call us.

Otherwise how will we address each other?

Dear Renu,

I am reminded of the scene in the movie 'moondrAm piRai' in which Sridevi names her pet dog!!

 

[Nara]

This angst about changing naming convention is really an LOL moment for me because it brought back memory of the pasurams of Periyazhvar that I used to recite often. Yes, Periyazhvar also felt the same angst more than thousand years ago. I would like to present these 10 pasurams here because they are really really very funny. It starts out kind of tame and becomes strident pasuram after pasuram. These are from the 4ம் பத்து 6ம் திருமொழி.

காசும் கரையுடைக் கூறையும் அங்கோர் கற்றைக்கும்
ஆசையினால் அங்கு அவத்தைப் பேரிடும்மாதர்காள்
கேசவன் பேரிட்டு நிங்கள் தேனித்திருமினோ
நாயகன் நாரணன் தம் அன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.


காசு = money, gold
கரையுடைக் கூறை = fancy silk clothes
அங்கோர் கற்றைக்கும் = for bundles of crop, i.e. food
ஆசையினால் அங்கு = motivated by these desires
அவத்தைப் பேரிடும்மாதர்காள் = women who name their babies after mere mortals (Why azhvar is chastising only women?)
கேசவன் பேரிட்டு நிங்கள் = name your babies after Keshavan
தேனித்து இருமினோ = enjoy the sweetness of calling the name Keshavan
நாயகன் நாரணன் தம் அன்னை = mother of the baby who is names after the supreme lord Narayanan
நரகம்புகாள் = won't see the inside of hell.

 

[Raji Ram]

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காசும் கரையுடைக் கூறையும் அங்கோர் கற்றைக்கும்
ஆசையினால் அங்கு அவத்தைப் பேரிடும் ஆதர்காள்
கேசவன் பேரிட்டு நிங்கள் தேனித்திருமினோ
நாயகன் நாரணன் தம் அன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.

Some Tamil words are difficult.

Translation please Prof. Sir!

 

[Nara]

Translation please

Done it!

 

[V.Balasubramani]

This angst about changing naming convention is really an LOL moment for me because it brought back memory of the pasurams of Periyazhvar that I used to recite often. Yes, Periyazhvar also felt the same angst more than thousand years ago. I would like to present these 10 pasurams here because they are really really very funny. It starts out kind of tame and becomes strident pasuram after pasuram. These are from the 4ம் பத்து 6ம் திருமொழி.

காசும் கரையுடைக் கூறையும் அங்கோர் கற்றைக்கும்
ஆசையினால் அங்கு அவத்தைப் பேரிடும்மாதர்காள்
கேசவன் பேரிட்டு நிங்கள் தேனித்திருமினோ
நாயகன் நாரணன் தம் அன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.


காசு = money, gold
கரையுடைக் கூறை = fancy silk clothes
அங்கோர் கற்றைக்கும் = for bundles of crop, i.e. food
ஆசையினால் அங்கு = motivated by these desires
அவத்தைப் பேரிடும்மாதர்காள் = women who name their babies after mere mortals (Why azhvar is chastising only women?)
கேசவன் பேரிட்டு நிங்கள் = name your babies after Keshavan
தேனித்து இருமினோ = enjoy the sweetness of calling the name Keshavan
நாயகன் நாரணன் தம் அன்னை = mother of the baby who is names after the supreme lord Narayanan
நரகம்புகாள் = won't see the inside of hell.

Sir,

Thanx for sharing the information.

With regards

　

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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Are people with short names more attractive?

STUDY The shorter your first name the greater your online appeal by
IANS

Shortening your first name increases your allure to the opposite sex,
says a study conducted by social networking site Badoo.com. "Attractiveness online is not only about looks. Even the length of your name, it seems, may make a surprising difference," Niccolo Formai, spokesperson for Badoo, said in a statement. Badoo compared the number of online messages received over a five-month period by those with shortened names (like Jenny or Mike) and those with full-length equivalents (Jennifer, Michael), in eight countries.

　

　

Source:The Hindu dated: 13.09.2013 - Metro Plus

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"Isvarah Sarvabhutanam hriddese tishthati"

 

[biswa]

Sure, Subbu instead of Subramanian, Venky instead of Venkataramanan, Balu instead of Balasubramani

 

[amala]

In my dad's family kids are names after grandparents and elders but given a pet name for daily use so as to not call the elders by their names. For example I only knew after an aunt got married that her real name was Sarada because her hubby and in laws called her that. All those times I used to think that Srilata was her real name!!

 

[Nara]

Here is the second pasuram:

அங்கொரு கூறை யரைக்குடுப்பதனாசையால்
மங்கியமானிடசாதிப் பேரிடுமாதர்காள்
செங்கணெடுமால் சிரீதராவென்றழைத்தக்கால்
நங்கைகாள் நாரணன்றம்மன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.

கூறை = fine clothing
அரைக்கு உடுப்பதன் ஆசையால் = desire to wear it around hips
மங்கிய மானிட சாதி பேரிடும் = naming after someone who belongs to the rotting human race
ஆதர்காள் = fools

Driven by the desire to wear fine clothing these fools name their children after a rotting human. But, listen to me virtuous women, name your children and call them after Nedumal and Sridharan, such mothers will not enter hell.

 

[renuka]

I remember after I delivered within the same day itself I filled up the form for application for birth certificate with the name I wanted for my son and called my uncle who works in the registration department to come take the forms and process it right away.

Cos at the later part of the day some old relatives from husband side were telling to keep the name after seeing horoscope/numerology etc.

I was just smiling to myself thinking none of them knew I had already named my child within a few hours of birth.

I named my son Varun Prashanth.

I like the idea of a person having a middle name cos I always felt my name Renuka was just too short so I gave my son a 1st name and a middle name.

I had chosen two names one for a boy and for a girl cos I opted not to know the sex of the child(out here we are allowed to know the sex of the child)

For a boy I chose Varun Prashanth

For a girl I chose Varishta Kiran.

 

[Raji Ram]

Sure, Subbu instead of Subramanian, Venky instead of Venkataramanan, Balu instead of Balasubramani

Have you heard this 'kadi joke' by Crazy Mohan, Biswa Sir?

A: em pEru Venkatesh; ellArum ennai Venky-innu kooppiduvA.

B: nalla vELai un pEru Mangesh illa; appadi irundhA unnai Monkey-innu kooppittiruppA!!

 

[Raji Ram]

........ Driven by the desire to wear fine clothing these fools name their children after a rotting human. But, listen to me virtuous women, name your children and call them after Nedumal and Sridharan, such mothers will not enter hell.

Dear Prof. Sir,

I have one doubt! During Azhvar's time, did people have different names from God's name? As far as I know,

the first born son in the family is named after the paternal grandfather. Since Govindan,Kesavan, Madhavan,

Narayanan and as the like existed for long long time, our ancestors had these names. May be these pAsurams

were written against Saivites, considering 'those names' as human names? :noidea:

BTW, what is the plight of fathers of the children named after Nedu MAl? Are they not assured of 'no entry' to hell?

P.S: I read 'nara kambukAL' instead of 'naragam pugAL' and got .

 

[Raji Ram]

......... I had chosen two names one for a boy and for a girl cos I opted not to know the sex of the child(out here we are allowed to know the sex of the child) ........

It is mandatory to register the name of the child soon after he / she is born, in the U S of A.
Parents go through the list of names for hours together to choose the cutest name possible for their child! :ranger:

Ram's mom wanted to name my son 'Lakshmi Narayanan'. Fearing that his nick name will become 'Lakshmi',

I requested her to leave it my choice. Then my son got the name Sridhar Gopalakrishnan. Gopalan is Ram's

dad's name and so MIL was happy! Now his official name is Sridhar Ramachandran and nickname is Cheema

which continued even in I I T and M I T, Boston! His professor at M I T could not get Sri and so he also started

calling him by his nickname!

 

[Nara]

Pasuram #3:

உச்சியில் எண்ணையுஞ் சுட்டியும் வளையும் உகந்து
எச்சம் பொலிந்தீர்காள் என்செய்வான் பிறர்பேரிட்டீர்
பிச்சைபுக்காலும் எம்பிரான் திருநாமமே
நச்சுமின் நாரணன்தம் அன்னை நரகம் புகாள்.

சுட்டியும் = ornament for forehead
எச்சம் பொலிந்தீர்காள் = endowed with abundance of children
நச்சுமின் = விரும்பு/desire

Lose translation:
Those with lots of children, why do you name them after others craving for oil to apply on their head, ornaments to adorn their forehead and bangles in their wrists? Even if you are forced into beggary crave to name them after the divine names of "my" lord, the mother who does so will never enter hell.

 

[Nara]

I have one doubt! During Azhvar's time, did people have different names from God's name? ..... May be these pAsurams were written against Saivites, considering 'those names' as human names?

Dear Mrs. RR, I don't know what names people chose for their children in Azhvar's time. It is true that SVs will choose only from SV sampradayam. Also, for SVs Shiva is baddha jeeva like everyone other than Sri, Sriman Narayana, Nithyasoorees, and those who have attained mukthi.

BTW, what is the plight of fathers of the children named after Nedu MAl? Are they not assured of 'no entry' to hell?

Good question, I commented on this in my first post itself. The commentary by Uttamoor Swami, which follows ancient commentaries -- which, unsurprisingly, is quiet sexist -- argues only women crave after gold, fine clothes, etc., and therefore Azhvar is addressing women in these pasurams. Further, the commentator argues, it is women who mostly conduct the naming ceremony, "பேரிடுவதைப் புருஷரை விடப் பெரும்பாலும் மாதர்களே நடத்துவது வழக்கம்." Is this correct? I have not attended any naming ceremony, so I am unable to evaluate this assertion.

best regards ....

 

[Nara]

Hers is the next one ...

மானுடசாதியில் தோன்றிற் றோர்மானிடசாதியை
மானிடசாதியின் பேரிட்டால் மறுமைக்கில்லை
வானுடைமாதவா கோவிந்தா வென்றழைத்தக்கால்
நானுடை நாரணன்றம்மன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.


வானுடைமாதவா = lord of sri vaikuntam
நானுடை = lord of my soul

Lose translation:
Naming a human born into the human race after another equally placed member of the human race is not a way for release from bondage. Name them after the lord of Sri Vaikuntam, like Madhava, Govinda. The mother who names her children after the lord of my soul will never enter hell.

 

[prasad1]

A name can have multiple meaning.

Ashanti:
Ashanti is a African girl name. The meaning of the name is `Great African Woman`.
Ashanti: meaning and definitions | Infoplease.com

In hindi it mean the opposite of peace (i.e. Unrest), no body in India will use that as a name.

May be a name had a meaning at one time that was appropriate for that period, and may be out of favor now.

 

[Nara]

pasuram #5:

மலமுடை ஊத்தையில் தோன்றிற்றோர் மல ஊத்தையை
மலமுடை ஊத்தையின் பேரிட்டால் மறுமைக்கில்லை
குலமுடைக் கோவிந்தா கோவிந்தா என்றழைத்தக்கால்
நலமுடை நாரணன் தம்மன்னை நரகம்புகாள்.

 

[vgane]

The Vishnu Sahasranamam has 1000 names of the Lord ...Here goes the list!

List of names of Vishnu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Nara]

நாடுநகரும் அறிய மானிடப்பேரிட்டுக்
கூடியழுங்கிக் குழியில் வீழ்ந்து வழுக்காதே
சாடிறப் பாய்ந்த தலைவா தாமோதராவென்று
நாடுமின் நாரணன் தம்மன்னை நரகம்புகாள்

கூடி அழுங்கி = அம்மனிதர்களுடன் கூடி, அவர்கள் ஆதரவுக்கு அடிமைப்பட்டு
குழியில் வீழ்ந்து = அதனால் விளையும் பாபக்குழியில் விழுந்து
வழுக்காதே = வழுக்கி மேலும் அக்குழியின் அதள பாதாளத்துக்கு செல்லாதே
சாடு இற = சகடாஸுரன் இறந்து விழ