Widows from other states should not crowd Mathura: Hema Malini

[prasad1]

Share:

Facebook X (Twitter) LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Share Link

Actor-turned-politician Hema Malini has stoked a controversy with her remarks that widows from Bengal and Bihar should not crowd Vrindavan, the holy city in Uttar Pradesh and home to thousands of destitute women.


"If they (widows) are not from here then there is no need for them to come here from other states. There are many famous temples in Bengal and Bihar too, where they can stay," the 65-year-old Lok Sabha BJP MP said.


On a visit to her parliamentary constituency Mathura, of which Vrindavan is a part, she said there are already 40,000 widows in Vrindavan and there was no room to accommodate more.


"There are 40,000 widows in Vrindavan. I think there is no more place in the city. A large population is coming from Bengal... that's not right. Why don't they stay in Bengal? There are nice temples there. The same is true for those from Bihar," she said.

What a leader? A heartless creature.
She could have built a shelter with her own money, she is rich enough.
Instead of making such cras statement on destitute women.
Ms. Malini they are destitute, what part of the meaning of destitute that you do not understand? They have no where to go, they are refugees in their own country.

 

[renuka]

What?

How can she say this?

There is no law that states a person can't move from state to state.

What next?

Does she want to make widows apply for interstate licence?

Someone can also ask her "hey when you are from TN what are you doing in Mathura?"

 

[biswa]

Exactly.

 

[vgane]

But can rich widows beg? Is begging allowed as per law..I also read that Hemaji said that rich people with Bank accounts are begging in Vrindavan?

 

[krish44]

there is a background to this issue.

many widows from bengal and bihar are from higher caste families who are well off '

they have been dumped by their families who have the means to support them.

the state govts of these states they come from can easily take care of them but behave as if they are not concerned. the states are as poor or rich as UP.

when states abdicate their responsibility , they need to be hauled up .

mathura has other local residents . if destitute widows outnumber them what can the state do . their parent states should atleast finance them or take them back .

one sees in south people from backward states -like jharkand ,bihar,north east crowding their metros and creating law and order problems. girls from these states are lured

to haryana and punjab to become wives of rural folk due to lack of girls . some end up in brothels in delhi and bombay.

unless there is political will to set things right in these states , rest of india is going to face increasingly this type of issues.

 

[renuka]

But can rich widows beg? Is begging allowed as per law..I also read that Hemaji said that rich people with Bank accounts are begging in Vrindavan?

I dont think its only the poor that can sing Bhiksham Dehi.

Anyone can.

 

[v arun kumar]

Wish the Mumbaikar and the Delhiites had wished on similar lines, when an Tamilian Girl, had set up residence in Delhi & now Mumbai.

Talking about puting ones foot in the mouth, she is deep in upto her thighs

 

[sarang]

The manjakamalai SLH as usual jump to spew hate words without understanding the issue.
1. Hemamalini is the MP for the mathura constituency and has to address the problems brought to by the locals who voted for her.
2. There are several studies on the widows of brindavan. They come to vrindavan because of -
a) They are disinherited and thrown out of their homes by relatives, sometimes even by the sons. b) Many from villages shift to brindavan after hearing from past emigrants, friends and relatives, expecting a decent life compared to what they face at home.
c) Many bengalis become spiritual, shun meat and fish, observe tough vrats after becoming widows, and consciously choose to live in vrindavan and spend their last days in worship and bhajan.
Last year a tv documentary covered visit of select brindavan widows to their native villages and homes, and at least in the programme shown, the relatives were well above poverty level. The relatives were willing to take care of them but the widows were not willing.

This report as usual is short on information but vocal on bashing and misinformation.
1. She did say that widows will not be allowed. She wanted the state governements, bengal and bihar, to provide facilities that will help the widows (of the first kind, thrown out and destitute) to lead a decent life in local temples or homes.
2. Whether she is an actor with unlimited wealth and has to support the widows is irrelevant and only fools will subscribe to such arguments. What she does with her wealth is her business; she may be doing charity work quietly.

Modi too in his election rallies in bihar and UP advised the locals to stay in their town or village near their parents and family, and put the onus on the government to develop the state and vreate employment opportunities.

Bashing hemamalini and BJP is just trivilising the issue for venting anger.

Now for more news on this topic:

"Mathura: Bharatiya Janata Party's Lok Sabha member from Mathura-Vrindavan, cine star Hema Malini has questioned the presence of widows from Bihar and West Bengal in Vrindavan.

"After finding poor living conditions in a shelter home in Vrindavan which she visited Monday evening, Hema Malini had said that she would talk to West Bengal Chief Minister Mamata Banerjee on the issue.
"Hema Malini has echoed the local sentiment by raising the issue and asking state governments in Bihar and West Bengal to provide facilities for them in their respective states," Jagan Nath Poddar, convener of Friends of Vrindavan told IANS.

"Sanjeev Gautam, a senior media-person of Mathura told IANS: "Hema Malini is right, though one could have differences with her style of presenting arguments."

https://in.news.yahoo.com/vrindavan-widows-stay-respective-states-hema-malini-140029438.html

 

[krish44]

it is nothing personal .

Hemaji is representing mathura constituency.

this is an issue locals face and are concerned about

the issue requires redressal.

 

[sarang]

Objectivism takes a back back back seat for SLH when issues are connected in some way with hindus.

 

[krish44]

after the change of govt some hindus in this forum have become so sensitive that they analyse each and every comment of liberals to look for reasons to fix them.

one cannot change mindsets of people by being aggressive alone

 

[sarang]

Liberals! Joke of the year.

 

[prasad1]

A refugee is a person who is outside their home country because they have suffered (or feared) persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or because they are a member of a persecuted social category of persons or because they are fleeing a war. Such a person may be called an 'asylum seeker' until recognized by the state where they make a claim.

Although similar and frequently confused with refugees, internally displaced persons have a different legal definition and are essentially refugees who have not crossed any international border. At the end of 2012, the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), the United Nations' refugee agency, reported that there were 15.4 million refugees worldwide.[2] By contrast there were 28.8 million (about twice as many) IDPs at the end of 2012.

When Vibhishana hesitated whether Rama would give him asylum as he was His enemy's brother, He demonstrated how He would accept anyone, irrespective of any default, if he offers his surrender. Even should Ravana approach Him, He was willing to forgive him. Such is the affection God shows towards Him devotees.

It is absolutely idiotic to say that destitute are rich women. Someone needs to google the word destitute.
They might have been rich at one time, right now they are poor and destitute.
In a prosperous country people have to be mobile, it might have been alright to expect people to stay in one place all their life in 14th century (in indian subcontinent). It is ill-conceived idea that people should be penned in a location. it is totally impractical.
The very people making these kind of remarks are all migrant.

It is the old 3rd-class mentality. The last person allowed in a reserved compartment of 3rd-class would stop other interlopers to preserve his place. LOL

If it was upto this member, in 1947 during partition of India, he would have erected a wall to stop the inflow of refugees.

Tamil Nadu State, India has a very large refugees from sri Lanka, May be this member and Hemaji would like to send them back to Sri Lanka.

 

[prasad1]

Hinduism is fuul of praise for providing Abayam to asylum seeker.

Maharaja Shibi was an ancestor of Rama, born in the Ikshvaku dynasty. He is best known for his devotion to truth and justice. To test his devotion to truth, Indra and Agni took the forms of a hawk and a pigeon respectively and went to his kingdom. The pigeon (Agni) sought refuge with the King, with the hawk in hot pursuit. The King promised the pigeon asylum, and when the hawk demanded that the pigeon be given to him as his natural food, the Shibi tried to satisfy it with the meat of other animals.

 

[prasad1]

Widows from other states should not crowd Mathura: Hema Malini - The Hindu

As a Member of Parliament representing the Mathura constituency, if Mrs. Hema malini is making this comments, I have this suggestion to the Honourable MP. Let her devlop the state of Uttar Pradesh first to the extent required so as to stop the labour class from that state pouring over to other states such as Delhi, Maharashtra, Tamil Nadu and so on in search of employment. She may do well to remember while the total number of widows population in Mathura, which may include some from the local state is only 40000 as per her statement, the number of labourers from that state working outside their home state may be running into lakhs. MPs from other states may start taking action for stopping the inflow of labour from UP. Similarly if people start thinking that temples nearer their home is as holier as temples in Varanasi, Mathura, Allahabad or Ayodhya, and stop their pilgrimage to these centres, the whole local population in these centres may lose their livelihood.

She may be a great person but in any case she has no right in democracy to make such an objectionable statement.Let her to do something useful by spending her entire constituency fund in their welfare and and for a comfortable life during summer and winter months with good food.She can also make their life safe and secure.Her statement is a disgrace to the widowhood which is faced in every family and becomes aware of it when there is no one to take care of their food and bare clothing needs.It does not belong to the Dharma to which she belongs.She should be ashamed of her highly irresponsible statement.

This stalwart of the BJP's women leadership does not even question the reason why 40,000 Hindu widows were brought and left in Mathura in the first place. Why they should be left in 'nice temples' of Bengal even today! She does not dwell on what should be done instead only that they should not come to Mathura because she has become an MP from there.These are the leaders who will 'develop' India in the 21st century!!

Look who is talking! A lady born and brought up in Tamilnadu is now advising other state people not to come to Mathura. Each and every Indian has all the rights to go to any place in India for a living. Being an MP she should be aware of that fundamental constitutional right.

Comments on this item in The Hindu.

 

[sarang]

Tamil Nadu State, India has a very large refugees from sri Lanka, May be this member and Hemaji would like to send them back to Sri Lanka.

What an irrelevant comparison (one among many). The TN govt has welcomed them as refugees and are made to live in reserved areas, with tight security and surveillance. Many do not get proper jobs because they do not have proper documents and are viewed with suspicion. Many want to go back, but the the obstacles (perceived or real) or many. They are pawns in the political game.

Shibi tried to satisfy it with the meat of other animals.

A revisit to the story may help.

 

[sarang]

Why the governments of bihar and bengal are least worried by the plight of their people, who have spent their productive period of life in the state serving their family and community, and are forced to seek shelter, in other states voluntarily or under duress?

The state govt can establish homes for the widows in the temples (under their control, revenue from temples is with the govt) or build and maintain sadans/homes in vrundavan for those widows who want to spend their days in the vraja bhoomi in prayers and bhajans. Similar to free chowltries maintained by philanthropic vaishya communities in several temple towns.

 

[BRAHMACHARI]

If Ms Malini's argument is carried forward to other spheres of activity, like, people of other states must not come to Bangalore for IT Jobs, People of other states must not come to Bombay for jobs, people of one state must not move to another state at all, I cannot imagine the horror!

 

[sarang]

This is a total misunderstanding and misrepresentation of the issue. Widows should br respected and taken care of and not just left in the streets to beg for whatever reason. It is not a simple issue. Some live on the pittance allowance sent by son/relatives, some are paid by philanthropists for singing in bhajans, some have to beg because the money earned is not adequate. nobody is saying they should not settle in a place of their choice. Issue is the responsibility of the state governments to provide facilities for them to stay in their native state.

When a large influx of people from other states deprives the job market for locals, and there is objection from the local politicians. But the case of vrundavan widows is no way related to that.

If Ms Malini's argument is carried forward to other spheres of activity, like, people of other states must not come to Bangalore for IT Jobs, People of other states must not come to Bombay for jobs, people of one state must not move to another state at all, I cannot imagine the horror!

 

[Jaykay767]

Lets see howour PIOs will react if a billion people land up in their country !. I mean theyare very open to immigration as long as it is some other's city's headache.

I mean thewest are working on an immigration bull to allow all & sundry, they are notdeporting anyone, they will allow any tom, dick & harry,... LOL !!

Immigrationbeyond a certain level is a problem everywhere whether it is within acountry or across countries.

 

[prasad1]

It is Indians from one state trying to settle in another state. Some members do not understand that India is one country comprising of many states. May be a geography lesson is needed.
It has nothing to do with USA, or any other country.

 

[prasad1]

The person denying migration for Indians within India is a migrant. What is TB doing in Maharashtra?
Are you saying the migration is only for rich? This is outrageous.

It is pity that some members can not have civilized conversation, as they do not a valid argument. So instead of reasoning like normal human, they behave this way.

I think one may be able to construct a sentence with out meaningless screaming, that may be too civilized for some.

 

[Jaykay767]

So how does it matter if the immigration is within acountry or across countries ?

People are people, they are humans, the Mexicans floodingthe USA are in dire straits. If they are deported back to Mexico, they will getkilled by the drug lords, violence, etc…

So it is okay for Mexicans to be slaughtered because theyare from a different country ? but within a country it is not okay – it isoutrageous ?

Mumbai is so overcrowded, every one of the infrastructureis breaking due to the flood of immigrant. so more immigration to Mumbai shouldbe allowed. Somebody else’s problem.

 

[Jaykay767]

Immigrants flooding a city, waves of crimes due to this,locals getting killed/affected are okay ?. Because it is politically incorrectto say this in todays world.

Oh, how can you say, crimes are because of immigrantseven if the statistics show it ??? my god, outrageous… etc…

Immigration is a complex issue, while some immigrationshould always be welcome, should be encouraged, beyond a certain level, it willonly lead to massive problems.

People resort to name calling when they cannot counter the points & argue on merits. This is a reflection of their third class mentality !.

 

[sarang]

Let Hemamalini speak.

1. The actress on Thursday defended her previous statement in a series of tweets, saying no one listened to her “actual interview” to the media.2. I thk none of u have listened to my actual interview. I personally found out tht there are abt 5000 widows in Vrindavan. Spoke to some. (Tweet)
3. “I haven’t said anything that I should be ashamed of. I stand by my statement that they should be allowed to live with dignity. Sad state for a country once known for the respect shown to women. This is what I was trying to point out,” she tweeted.

4. “It is traumatic to see these poor widows begging on the streets even for their daily existence. Have all of you ever witnessed their plight? Of course I intend doing what I can to improve their condition but Vrindavan has a space limitation too. State govt too should contribute,” she added.
5. The actress said she had done nothing wrong by saying that “sons & daughters cannot discard their duty & cannot bundle them onto a train & forget about them”.
6. “For no fault of theirs, they are thrown on the streets & are compelled to beg to survive. Is ths fair? [sic] Do you think these old women deserve this fate? Also most are from West Bengal, Bihar & Orissa. My request was to these people to have a more humane approach & look after these poor widows properly.”
7. She said that awareness should be created in states from where the widows belonged to. Pointing out that most of these women were “abandoned by family and put on trains to Vrindavan without any money”, Hema Malini said most of them find jobs as maids or turn to begging.

8. Also most are frm W Bengal,Bihar &Orissa.My request was to these ppl to have a more humane approach & look after these poor widows properly. (Tweet)

9. “Younger ones are also exploited & then abandoned to their fate. Out of the 5000, only 1500 have a proper roof over their heads. The rest are on the streets, destitute & desperate. Of course, we are all Indians first, & have a duty towards the old & infirm in our country.”

Hema Malini defends her remarks on Vrindavan widows - The Hindu

One comment from a reader:

If this right what she says now then earlier reporting should be cancelled as wrong that titled "WIDOWS FROM OTHER STATES MUST NOT CROWD VRINDAVAN"