Wife consent must for sperm donation? Husbands beware!

[sarang]

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Since wives claim MTP is their right, husbands can have a similar claim!!!!

"LONDON: A British woman whose husband donated sperm secretly has called for a change in law since sperm is a 'marital asset' and wants clinics to obtain the wife's consent before the husband can donate sperm.
The Surrey-based woman has not been named in the Daily Mail, but she reportedly fears that children fathered with the sperm — who would be half-brothers or sisters of her son — may one day 'disrupt' the family by getting in touch. The businesswoman has written to the Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority calling for guidelines on sperm donation to include the spouse's views, and says sperm should be treated as a joint 'marital asset'.

Wife consent must for sperm donation? - The Times of India

 

[renuka]

There are 2 types of Donors:

1)One who donates to sperm banks.

2)One who donates into their personal extra marital "account"!


So consent is only needed for the 1st type.

What was that crazy guy thinking before he donated his sperm?
He could have opted for category 2!LOL

 

[sarang]

Double damaka; dana-punya with pleasure!

He could have opted for category 2!LOL

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

A few years ago, a doctor was arrested since he had donated his own sperms and
produced 60+ look-alike children (which is what created the suspicion in the first place)!

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

Double damaka; dana-punya with pleasure!

Our epics are full of such donors and donations!

 

[renuka]

Our epics are full of such donors and donations!

I guess we need to revise the saying,
"Hastasya Bhushanam Danam"(Charity/Donation is the ornament of the hand) cos it's not really the Hands which are donating! Ha Ha Ha

 

[renuka]

A few years ago, a doctor was arrested since he had donated his own sperms and
produced 60+ look-alike children (which is what created the suspicion in the first place)!

Yes I read that...I can not understand why the women got angry with him in the first place.
You see the patients had fertility problems....so many woman take pride in saying their husbands are doctors(I wonder why everyone wants to be a doctor's wife..most MBBS types are nerds!)
so why get so mad with the doctor..at least he did them some Seva by giving them some progeny without touching them.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

But it is necessary that both the donor and the recipient remain anonymous.
The doctor who had donated so liberally KNEW that those 60+ odd children were his very own
This is what made the donation objectionable and he was arrested.

Yes I read that...I can not understand why the women got angry with him in the first place.
You see the patients had fertility problems....so many woman take pride in saying their husbands are doctors(I wonder why everyone wants to be a doctor's wife..most MBBS types are nerds!)
so why get so mad with the doctor..at least he did them some Seva by giving them some progeny without touching them.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

I guess we need to revise the saying,
"Hastasya Bhushanam Danam"(Charity/Donation is the ornament of the hand) cos it's not really the Hands which are donating! Ha Ha Ha

Unless he is careful it will become a case of
Hastasya Bhushanam KANGANAM!!!

 

[sarang]

Our ancients were wise. Only three times in a lifetime.

From wiki:

Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a child. According to this Hindu tradition the man who was appointed must be or would most likely be a revered person. There were various clauses associated with this process, as follows:

1. The woman would agree for this only for the sake of rightfully having a child and not for pleasure.
2. The appointed man would do this for Dharma, considering it as his duty to help the woman bear a child and not for pleasure.
3. The child thus born would be considered the child of the husband-wife and not that of the appointed man.
4. The appointed man would not seek any paternal relationship or attachment to this child in the future.
5. To avoid misuse, a man was allowed a maximum of three times in his lifetime to be appointed in such a way.
6. The act will be seen as that of Dharma and while doing so, the man and the wife will have only Dharma in their mind and not passion nor lust. The man will do it as a help to the woman in the name of God, whereas the woman will accept it only to bear the child for herself and her husband.

 

[renuka]

But it is necessary that both the donor and the recipient remain anonymous.
The doctor who had donated so liberally KNEW that those 60+ odd children were his very own
This is what made the donation objectionable and he was arrested.

I know but you see at least the sperm came from an well educated person who wanted to populate the world with his own children.
I have a feeling he was too involved in his work.He cared too much for his patients.
This is what happens when a doctor does not know where to draw a line with patients.

Like yesterday I had a phone call from a local pharmacy asking me to endorse a controlled item prescription for a person who was visiting from a neighbouring country.

It was some slimming drug which can have cardiovascular side effects hence a controlled item.

I refused to endorse it cos you see the drug is not an essential drug that without which patient would die and also I have no idea about the medical background of the patient and what if any side effects happen when medication is taken here.

Further more the person comes from a country that might sue anyone even if a dog pissed on their car..so no way man!

I told the pharmacist some cock and bull story saying my insurance does not cover me endorsing overseas prescriptions.

 

[renuka]

Our ancients were wise. Only three times in a lifetime.

From wiki:

Niyoga (Sanskrit: नियोग) is an ancient Hindu tradition, in which a woman (whose husband is either incapable of fatherhood or has died without having a child) would request and appoint a person for helping her bear a child. According to this Hindu tradition the man who was appointed must be or would most likely be a revered person. There were various clauses associated with this process, as follows:

1. The woman would agree for this only for the sake of rightfully having a child and not for pleasure.
2. The appointed man would do this for Dharma, considering it as his duty to help the woman bear a child and not for pleasure.
3. The child thus born would be considered the child of the husband-wife and not that of the appointed man.
4. The appointed man would not seek any paternal relationship or attachment to this child in the future.
5. To avoid misuse, a man was allowed a maximum of three times in his lifetime to be appointed in such a way.
6. The act will be seen as that of Dharma and while doing so, the man and the wife will have only Dharma in their mind and not passion nor lust. The man will do it as a help to the woman in the name of God, whereas the woman will accept it only to bear the child for herself and her husband.

It's still Yucks OK!

How to agree with such things!

If one can't have a child for whatever reason just accept it as fate and remain childless.
I also don't know how some women agree to donor sperm!

Seen so many cases when I was in India..real conservative families going in for donor sperm.
How to allow the seed of some other man grow in you?

 

[zebra16]

A few years ago, a doctor was arrested since he had donated his own sperms and
produced 60+ look-alike children (which is what created the suspicion in the first place)!

Why dont they try to arrest the male lion in the african jungles which has a steady supply of 5-6 lionesses to readily pass on his sperms?

 

[renuka]

Why dont they try to arrest the male lion in the african jungles which has a steady supply of 5-6 lionesses to readily pass on his sperms?

Becos you see the lion and lioness did not get married officially..its just a harem..why else do they call a Lion a King on the Jungle?(becos of his harem only)

 

[renuka]

Why dont they try to arrest the male lion in the african jungles which has a steady supply of 5-6 lionesses to readily pass on his sperms?

Why are you going so far to Africa..the dogs on the road also are massive donors!LOL

 

[renuka]

BTW since the story of Africa was brought up I thought I will look up on Zebras and found this:

Behavioral Ecology and Sociobiology © 1990 Springer

Abstract data are presented on the breeding behavior of two zebra species to test whether intra- and interspecific variation in male reproductive behavior and physiology are correlated with differences in female promiscuity. In one species, plains zebra (Equus burchelli) females live in closed membership single male groups and mate monandrously. In the other species, the Grevy's zebra (E. grevyi) females live in groups whose membership is much more temporary. Typically, associations with individual males are brief and mating is polyandrous. However, some females - those having just given birth - reside with one male for long periods, mating monandrously. These differences in female mating behavior generate variability in the potential for sperm competition. We show that behavioral differences in male investment in reproductive activities correlate with the potential for sperm competition. When mating with promiscuous mares, Grevy's zebra stallions made a greater investment in reproductive behavior (calling, mounting, ejaculations) than did stallions of either species when mating with monandrous females. The evolution of large testes size in the Grevy's zebra, when compared to the congeneric plains zebra, horse, and mountain zebra, allows for this increased investment.

 

[sarang]

Freedom to abort is claimed to be a fundamental right; why discriminate freedom to conceive.

it is permitted by sastras, there is a precedence. It is giving life and not destruction of life.

If the couple wants a biologically related child (as an alternative to adoption) - surrogate mother with husband's sperm or surrogate father with mother's egg, I believe must be acceptable with the right paths and right advice.

QUOTE=renuka;153890]It's still Yucks OK!

How to agree with such things!

If one can't have a child for whatever reason just accept it as fate and remain childless.
I also don't know how some women agree to donor sperm!

Seen so many cases when I was in India..real conservative families going in for donor sperm.
How to allow the seed of some other man grow in you?[/QUOTE]

 

[renuka]

Freedom to abort is claimed to be a fundamental right; why discriminate freedom to conceive.

it is permitted by sastras, there is a precedence. It is giving life and not destruction of life.

If the couple wants a biologically related child (as an alternative to adoption) - surrogate mother with husband's sperm or surrogate father with mother's egg, I believe must be acceptable with the right paths and right advice.

For me either the child should be related to both or related to none.
It does not seem too comfortable to have a child who is only related to mother and not related to father and vice versa.

So adoption is better since the child does not belong to either father or mother.

The point is how to have sex with some other man who in no way you are in love with!
Child should be born out of love and union of heart,soul and body.

So I still find all those some situation where some other person acting on behalf of husband YUCKS only.

 

[renuka]

BTW surrogate mother does not donate her egg.She only acts as a carrier for the fetus.The sperm and egg belong to the biological father and mother.

I also find this surrogate thing uneasy cos even though the child biologically belongs to the couple but how to let your own child grow in some other woman's body?

Her thoughts might differ and that could affect the child someway or the other.

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Surrogacy these days has become a commercial activity, especially for the couple
who are unable to bear a child. Some mainly choose the relatives for this purpose, so
as to have a traditional surrogacy instead of going in for genetically unrelated.

Some surrogate not only receive compensation beyond the reimbursement of
medical and other reasonable expenses. Some claim to have continued relationship
with the child on the ground of affection towards the child, etc. Sometimes, it
creates misunderstanding within the family members.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur[SUP][/SUP]

 

[sarang]

"The sperm or eggs may be provided by the 'commissioning' parents, but donor sperm, eggs and embryos may also be used." Wiki.

BTW surrogate mother does not donate her egg.She only acts as a carrier for the fetus.The sperm and egg belong to the biological father and mother.

 

[renuka]

"The sperm or eggs may be provided by the 'commissioning' parents, but donor sperm, eggs and embryos MAY also be used." Wiki.

The word is "MAY".

Most of the cases are not donor sperm/eggs and even then the donor egg does not come from the surrogate.
The donor egg from a female donor is fertilized ex utero and implanted into the surrogate.

The surrogate is in no way biologically linked to the fetus.

She is just like house which provides shelter to the occupants.

Donor are always anonymous per medical ethics.

 

[Anand Manohar]

Dear Doc

Ha ha, Ho Ho ! - you know, we have an ex-Central Minister [ also Ex State Governor ] who at
the 86 "suddenly" became the Father of a 34 year old man !

I've heard of "Prasadam Viniyogam" in Temples, but "Sperm Viniyogam" ! - beats me !

Incidentally [or co-incidentally], his initials are NDT and the story was blown open by NDTV !
[You are in Malaysia and might not have watched the news].

" Love Thy Neighbour ", sure - but watch-out one could land in real hot soup-
- DNA flavoured soup, with TV clippings for the masala and don't forget those
advocates in dungeon-like corridors carrying the 'A la-Carte' menu cards.

Poor [read pitiable ] wives become just mute spectators - they can't be expected to keep
records of where all their hubbies did their ' Free Distributions '. Their consent or otherwise
is of not any consequence - they have to suffer in silence.

Becoming a NEW Father at age 86 speaks more about one's infidelity rather than one's fertility.

Yay Yem

 

[sarang]

Surrogate mothers can be donors, can't they or are they prohibited?

Commissioning couple get to know the surrogate mother (at least in tamil tv serials); since the sperm/ egg donor's identity is kept secret, anything is possible.

At least, in our old society, there was no secrecy.

The word is "MAY".

Most of the cases are not donor sperm/eggs and even then the donor egg does not come from the surrogate.
The donor egg from a female donor is fertilized ex utero and implanted into the surrogate.

The surrogate is in no way biologically linked to the fetus.

She is just like house which provides shelter to the occupants.

Donor are always anonymous per medical ethics.

 

[renuka]

Becoming a NEW Father at age 86 speaks more about one's infidelity rather than one's fertility.

I once had a patient who came for his regular blood screening test and was too concerned about the HIV results.

As far as I knew he was happily married and had 2 kids.

Then I asked him "why are so scared of HIV when you do not have risk factors"

Then he said "don't tell my wife Ok..actually I did not intend to cheat on her but when I went for my company dinner with clients I got drunk and someone pushed me and I fell on some girl and rest was history"

So I asked him "so far how many times have you fallen down?"

He said "each time there is a company client dinner..its not my fault..others keep pushing me and I keep falling on some girl"

I was thinking "what an excuse"

Once his wife complained to me that she really feel pity for her husband cos he has to work till so late at night to take clients for company dinners and she was concerned if his tight working schedule will affect his health!

As a doc I can not breathe a word about his infidelity to his wife.
So I decided to at least advise him to have safe sex.

When I saw him next I told him "since you are drunk and keep falling after being pushed..please make sure you are well protected before you engage in your acts cos your wife stand a risk of getting infections from you"

Then he said to me "Doctor off course I am using protection! In fact I wear double protection!"

I asked him "but you said you are drunk and fall down and do not know what happens"

He replied "no doctor, I always carry spare protection with me in case I fall down on a girl"