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[Raji Ram]

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'than kaiyE thanakku udhavi' is the best policy! :first:

Be it cooking, cleaning or any odd job!!

 

[psnarasimhan]

Dear Mr.Raghy,

I find it very difficult to control my laughing at your wonderful idea. What you said is
really possible in USA,UK, or in any foreign country but not in India and definitely among our own relatives. Where are you living now? In India or in any foreign country.
Instead of understanding the seriousness of the post,it appears that all of you want to crack jokes and enjoy yourselves with such jokes. Most of you both ladies and gents are doing the same. We are discussing about matters happening in India and
particularly in Tamilnnadu and again particularly among our brahmin community.

ஊருக்கு வழி சொல் என்றால் இல்லாத ஊருக்கு போகாத வழியை சொல்லிக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறீர்கள்.

Please refrain from posting reply threads with all sort of jokes you know.

More cheers to you!!!!

 

[P.J.]

Dear Mr.Raghy,

I find it very difficult to control my laughing at your wonderful idea. What you said is
really possible in USA,UK, or in any foreign country but not in India and definitely among our own relatives. Where are you living now? In India or in any foreign country.
Instead of understanding the seriousness of the post,it appears that all of you want to crack jokes and enjoy yourselves with such jokes. Most of you both ladies and gents are doing the same. We are discussing about matters happening in India and
particularly in Tamilnnadu and again particularly among our brahmin community.

ஊருக்கு வழி சொல் என்றால் இல்லாத ஊருக்கு போகாத வழியை சொல்லிக்கொண்டு இருக்கிறீர்கள்.

Please refrain from posting reply threads with all sort of jokes you know.

More cheers to you!!!!

P.s. NARASHIMAN Sir
No one is joking here, they give different ideas only.
Brahmins have to learn from the lives of the same Brahmins community who live in different parts of the world also in different parts of India, as to how can they manage without depending upon Maids and cooks; Tamilnadu Brahmins with lot of facilities, which are not available in other parts of the world do not want to change their mind set up , and wish to get every thing done very cheaply.

 

[sarang]

Well, this is the scenario here in Bahratavarsha!

One can get the household chores done by employing maids, istriwala, gardener with relatively at less cost, compared to the west. So for routine work, it is better to sub contract it (management gurus recommend it). For many families, all hiring will cost less than 10% of the income. Imagine the time and energy saved by getting all weekly load of working clothes ironed for Rs. 100+.

People in US and UK have no choice but to do it themselves; even there I presume, suits will be done at the cleaners and not home washed and pressed.

Generation of employment and paying wages is a welcome side effect.

For traditional brahmin cooking and vaidika activities, we have to find a solution, to make it a win win situation for both.

My experience of foreign living friends and relatives is - they assert their independence and capacity to manage everything in the beginning, but eagerly accept maid/ istri ways in a week's time.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear P S N Sir,

Times are changing and there is no other way than to accept facts. Do you think that only cooks are demanding more?

What about the other professionals -carpenters, masons, gardeners, maid servants, security personnel, iron dhobis

and so on? Everyone's fee is high. So if we can afford, we get professional help OR we do it ourselves in a way best

known to us. Cost of living is soaring up and blaming the workers is not going to help. IMHO, asking for professionals

with low fees is asking for 'pOgAdha oorukku vazhi'!

P.S: F Y I, Raghy Sir lives with his family in Australia.

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Sarang Sir,

Ram's sister brings all her silk sarees - about a dozen - during her yearly visit to India from the U S of A, to get

them dry-cleaned, which she finds very expensive there. Some of my relatives even take a trip to India from

the U S of A, to fix all their dental problems. Dental treatment there seems to be much more expensive than the

flight tickets + the dentist's fee!

 

[sangom]

Dear Mr.Sangom,

You said that we should not blame the super rich in our community for the ills, according to your
version, perceived by me. Thank you for your comments.
Do you think that you are the only person helping his wife in her daily chores. No dear almost all
of us are helping our homemakers in one way or other. Dont say all others are unable to control
their wifes.

Mr. Narasimhan,

I did not say anything specifically directed against your good self or your family; I was giving my observations about the world around me. In our area, a housemaid works in many houses and the conditions vary from one house to another. I know for a fact a few families here in which the wife does not do any kitchen work; in one such household, the wife just does preparing coffee and that too mainly for herself. The rest of the kitchen work is done by the husband, a bank officer and the son, an engineering student. The breakfast and lunch are supplied by a tabra woman who supplies to many houses; the evening tiffin is invariably bought from the nearby hoyel and for the night meals they depend on this hotel again or purchase chapathis from bakery. If any function comes, like even giving vettilai-pAkku to ladies during navarathri, a cook is called for preparing the chundal etc., and the cook gets paid whatever she demands.

If you don't have such households within your knowledge, it does not mean that the entire world will not have. Similarly, when I said middle-class housewives, it should have been clear to you that I am one step below this middle class, yet you say that I am "living in a castle high above in a highraise building", strange!!

Improving ones economic status is the result of that person's hard work, and not due to one factor or other. Kindly let me know those factors you referred to.

This reveals that your only agenda is possibly an animosity towards me, though both of us are unknown to each other. I am taking the trouble of replying to this post of "tirades" against me butI have decided not to respond to any more posts from you, sir.
I quote my words below:

"As more and more people are improving their economic status, due to one factor or another, we do not have "widows" wh were kept aloof and could earn a small livelihood from cooking for a fee, and similar occupations. Today women have changed a lot; for example does anyone compel his/her daughter to cook when she is around ten? No. The daughter grows up as unaware of household chores, as the son and she starts earning very high salary by the time she is 22 or 23 or even earlier."

Your query, asking me to let you know the factors, looks rather silly, but just to needle me into a position where possibly I will not have answers. Well, let me list out some specific cases and this will be lengthy.

1. One poor widowed woman who used to go from house to house, cook, prepare dosa/idli mAvu grinding in the old "ATTukkal", prepare kai muRukku for household and also occasions like pooNal, marriage, etc., gave one of her 3 daughters to a boy from another similar family. This boy, his widowed sister/(s?) and their mother now carry on the muRukku and other snacks making business as a household industry with government subsidy, bank finance and also the goodwill of one of their sambandhis who was well-known here as "muRu**** Iyer". This gentleman expired and his children have now jointly expanded the household's traditional muRukku-making and ventured into making many kinds of bhakshaNams, packing and labelling them (all with the help of government subsidies-cum-bank loans; they are quite well-off now and own a car, bike, delivery auto, own house etc. Our mAmi has been graciously accommodated by her son-in-law and she does not go for any outside jobs now.

2. One tabra mAmi who used to go for casual help in cooking, bhakshaNam-making etc., has her husband and only son both poojaris in two different temples, in two separate places. Her only daughter loved a tabra stategovernment servant and married him; he is now, luckily, in a very influential and highly paying job and has helped his MIL to purchase a small agraharam house. The two poojaris are getting very good daily incomes and the whole family has moved financially up. That mAmi now cooks for two or three houses and gets about Rs. 3000/= to Rs.6000/= p.m. She has therefore stopped going for casual, one-day help in other houses.

3. One young girl who was going for such assistance got married to a well-placed boy somewhere in Coimbatore or so, and she is now not available.

4. There are two sisters who still are ready to come for one day assistance in the kitchen, but the younger one has been employed by a famous surgen as whole time cook in his house; she gets a very high monthly salary but the condition is that she should stay in the surgeon's houde 24x7. The elder sister is so busy because she is a good cook that she goes, on an average, to more than twenty houses a day, prepares as per menu and just keeps the items on the dining table and goes to the next house. When my wife enquired whether she will be able to come and assis my wife for a sumangali praarthanai in our house, this lady profusely apologized and said that she can, at best, spare one hour or so, that too very early in the morning only and so it is better that my wife did not depend on her for a function like sumangali praarthanai cooking.

These are a few of the examples I had in mind when I wrote that "more and more people are improving their economic status, due to one factor or another" and hence "we do not have "widows" nowadays who were kept aloof and could earn a small livelihood from cooking for a fee, and similar occupations." I hope your good self is now convinced of what I meant to say.

You further goes on to say that sons and daughters are earning very high salary. Do you want those sons and daughters to pay those who do little work and demand more money. If you have any one working in an IT company you please ask him/her if he/she could earn easy money from their employers. In IT firms it is the employers who dictate terms and conditions to the receivers,
whereas in the case of cooks whom you pity a lot, are dictating terms and conditions.
Did you know the difference now.

I am aware, from what other people say, that IT people have to do very hard work for the salaries they earn. My distant cousin has his son in IT earning around Rs.3 lakhs or so (I came to know from another source, not from my cousin) per month. This son and his wife, a doctor are earning so well that they are compelling my cousin not to come to Trivandrum and live in his own built small house. They are very lavish and are not at all stingy when it comes to spending their hard-earned money; in fact they have bought a third posh car and appointed a driver also so that the parents (my cousin and his wife) will be able to go anywhere they want when both the son and DIL go out for work during the weekdays.

I therefore feel that the young IT people may also not mind when it comes to the question of paying a cook. But in reality, I did not at all touch on this aspect. Here is what I wrote in my post #5:
"Today women have changed a lot; for example does anyone compel his/her daughter to cook when she is around ten? No. The daughter grows up as unaware of household chores, as the son and she starts earning very high salary by the time she is 22 or 23 or even earlier."

I was referring to the daughters of mAmis who in earlier days used to go for cooking assistance; the daughters of many such சமையல்காற மாமிs are now earning very well and they do not normally allow their mother to toil any more. I think the question of how hard these daughters work in IT to earn their high salaries is not relevant to this, unless your good self holds the contrary view; then of course, I may have to agree with you because your post reminds me of the adage, "The king can make no mistake".

"You goes on to say that there are vaadhyars who could arrange cooks and all other preparations.
I think you are living in a castle high above in a highraise building. Please come down and see the
world around you. The nexus between vaadhyars and cooks are well known to everybody except
you."

If you say that "you goes on...", I have to agree because of the adage I referred to above. But in our place we have vaadhyaars who arrange for சமையல்காற மாமிs at very reasonable rates (which even poor tabras like myself can afford to pay) and even if there is a nexus or "cut" or 'kickback', I think our function will go on and get completed smoothly. I sincerely feel that we are living in two different worlds but the one who is in a castle and opines like a baron seems to be not myself.

Atlast you suggest to poor tabras to either dispense with such functions or find some help from
neighbours,or relatives as if relatives are there to help them. Your suggestion

You have left your "geethOpadESam" in the midway. But yes, I feel if one cannot afford to celebrate a religious function because he/she is poor, it is always better to forego that function. And it is exactly because my meagre pension does not permit me, that I did not celebrate (nor did my FIL) shashtyabdapoorthy, nor did I think of going to Thirukkadavoor, nor have I thought of doing the bheema-rathi saanthi etc.

 

[P.J.]

P.s.NARASHIMAN Sir

Why do you complain about Cooks who demand high for cooking for functions like Seemandham, ect when you see every aspect is costing more? Rental has gone up, Auto fate has sky rocketed, Vegetable cost become not reachable for middle and poor class, Land cost has become impossible to buy, School education cost is beyond reach,and many more.
In Porur, the land cost per ground of 2400 Sq feet is more than 1.25 Crores now, rental not less than 12-15 Thousand for an area of 800 sq ft.
These things happen because young lads earn 60-80 Thousand Rupees per month, and they pay whatever is demanded either for rental, Auto fare, vegetable cost Etc.
Call Taxi rates, and other types of 5 hour Cars cost more nowadays.
Whenever we go to India, once in 18-24 months ,we see a big difference in cost of living.
Since we have our own house, we spared of that, but for other expenses, we feel the pinch.
For srarham, we 3 brothers share the expenses, and even then each one share is not less than Rs 2000/- total is about Rs 6000-6500 without giving Vesti to Sasthrigal.
Sasthrigal Dakshinai is around Rs1500-2000.
So blaming cooks for demanding more is not fair.

 

[P.J.]

Dear Sarang Sir,

Ram's sister brings all her silk sarees - about a dozen - during her yearly visit to India from the U S of A, to get

them dry-cleaned, which she finds very expensive there. Some of my relatives even take a trip to India from

the U S of A, to fix all their dental problems. Dental treatment there seems to be much more expensive than the

flight tickets + the dentist's fee!

Raji Madam

Although this is not a reply to OP, i just want to share with you this.
Many American companies have Insurance cover for Dental also; my son's company pays for the entire family.
For us, we have Medical Insurance taken there itself, but it does not cover Dental and other regular check ups, so we come back to India every 18-24 months.
We are thinking of taking supplementary Insurance for Dental.

 

[sarang]

One emirate, sorry, emigre relative has given up silk sarees, one of the reasons being cost of maintenance. My brother also got the dental done here. To cap it, one of my college mates in USA says that he buys and carries one year course of medicines to save huge cost.

Even the NHS of UK sent patients to India because the waiting period for surgeries was long.

Capitation fee for dental course is much higher than general medicine in india. There are quite a few lady dentists. In fact, the dentist I visited in perianaikkan palayam area of your home town was a lady.

Dear Sarang Sir,

Ram's sister brings all her silk sarees - about a dozen - during her yearly visit to India from the U S of A, to get

them dry-cleaned, which she finds very expensive there. Some of my relatives even take a trip to India from

the U S of A, to fix all their dental problems. Dental treatment there seems to be much more expensive than the

flight tickets + the dentist's fee!

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear P J Sir,

The insurance premium is higher if it covers dental care also, in the U S of A. My son's insurance covers

dental care, though he does not work for an American company! The only problem seems to be getting

the appointment from the dentist when he wants!

 

[tbs]

Dear Sarang Sir,

Ram's sister brings all her silk sarees - about a dozen - during her yearly visit to India from the U S of A, to get

them dry-cleaned, which she finds very expensive there. Some of my relatives even take a trip to India from

the U S of A, to fix all their dental problems. Dental treatment there seems to be much more expensive than the

flight tickets + the dentist's fee!

hi RR madam,
i do every year medical/dental check up in india...i have dental insurance in USA...i never visited dentist in USA...my kids/wife

visits regularly....for them dental inspection must for school health records.....i prefer india always for dental....cheaper and

more flexible and covenient appointment..i have well known Tambra dentist in chennai.....just info...i got free dental insurance

from state govt for my son ......so he visits every six months regularly...but for daughter/wife have different dental insurance

 

[sarang]

best of boolokam and vaikuntam!

hi RR madam,
i do every year medical/dental check up in india...i have dental insurance in USA...i never visited dentist in USA...my kids/wife

visits regularly....for them dental inspection must for school health records.....i prefer india always for dental....cheaper and

more flexible and covenient appointment..i have well known Tambra dentist in chennai.....just info...i got free dental insurance

from state govt for my son ......so he visits every six months regularly...but for daughter/wife have different dental insurance

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

best of boolokam and vaikuntam!

I would have said best of both the worlds !

Whatever happened to Kailaasam and Satyalokam???

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

One emirate, sorry, emigre relative has given up silk sarees, one of the reasons being cost of maintenance. My brother also got the dental done here. To cap it, one of my college mates in USA says that he buys and carries one year course of medicines to save huge cost.

Even the NHS of UK sent patients to India because the waiting period for surgeries was long.

Capitation fee for dental course is much higher than general medicine in india. There are quite a few lady dentists. In fact, the dentist I visited in perianaikkan palayam area of your home town was a lady.

Never ever underestimate lady dentists. They MAY not look like heavyweight champs but their strength is incredible. One lady dentist in Trivandrum pulled the tooth so hard that it came off and flew across the room to the opposite corner.
The tall, dark, handsome heavyweight champion assistant of a local dentist looks like character from a Hollywood movie. He look more of a reel-person than a real-person!

 

[Raji Ram]

best of boolokam and vaikuntam!

Do you know that Saint Thyagaraja sings of a 'bhoolOka vaikuNtam' Sir?

He says that Srirangam is that place, in one of his 'Srirangam pancharathna krithis' - O RangasAyee.

"bhoolOka vaikuNTham idhiyani neelOna neevE yuppongi

shree lOluDai yuNTe mA chintadheere dhennaDo"

Meaning:

'You seem to regard Srirangam as your supreme abode VaikuNtam itself and lose yourself in the

enjoyment of the company of your consort Sri DEvi. When will there be an end to my sufferings?"

 

[Raji Ram]

This thread has deviated but still going strong! :thumb:
Hope there will NOT be a request for the 'brahma mudichchu'! :lock1:

 

[tbs]

This thread has deviated but still going strong! :thumb:
Hope there will NOT be a request for the 'brahma mudichchu'! :lock1:

hi madam,


'brahma mudichchu...means thread closed...nobody can open/post again...

 

[psnarasimhan]

I subscribe to the principle that the thread starter has a right over his thread because he he/she has given birth to it. But threads stray and the well known 80-20 rule holds good for threads too. That is only 20% is useful information. But the thread starter must be firm and put 'muttukatttai' whenever necessary to steer the 'ther' in the right path. Thers have no steering mechanism and no brakes till BHEL Tiruchy volunteered to replace the wheels.

Dear Mr. Praveen,

This is first to thank Mr.Sarang for his wise advice. Now I would request you to close my thread posted under the heading "Tharkala samayalkaararkal" once and for all and no more threads are to be allowed under this head and also using as a link. Kindly confirm and notify the same.

Narasimhan

 

[Raji Ram]

So, the request for brahma mudichchu has appeared.

I shall help P S N Sir by reporting his post to Praveen! :typing:

 

[Raji Ram]

Wonder how P S N Sir missed this post!

Veterans don't have the SAY!!

If the thread starter likes the 'brahma mudichchu', he can write to the moderator! :typing: ..........