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A conclusive Proof of Spiritual Energy. Call to forum members

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sravna said:
Dear Shri Sangom,

You are right about what constitutes interfering with one's karma. Think about this. Why should anyone be endowed with spiritual power if it is not to be put into use? The answer I think is to understand what constitutes normal use of power. It is the responsibility of one who possesses the power to ensure that he doesn't interfere with spiritual laws such as the law of karma.

But the fact is as spiritual ability goes up there is an automatic tendency to do the right things which are in sync with nature because the higher the spiritual ability, the greater it syncs with nature and an automatic safety mechanism operates.

My take on what constitutes normal use of power wrt healing, is this. One has to consider the nature of a person's body. Ayurveda sheds some light on the nature of physical body. It says that a person is born with certain type of constitution. As long as that constitution is maintained he would be of normal health. Disorders start when the proportions of the three doshas that make up the constitution deviate from the original or natural proportion of that person.

It seems to me we are not violating karma as long as we stick to maintaining his original constitution. IMO karma is violated only when one's nature is sought to be altered but not otherwise. Spiritual power is the only means by which nature can be altered or spiritual laws can be violated. That is probably the reason why caution needs to be exercised in the use of spiritual power. However as I mentioned, the safety mechanism automatically kicks in when spiritual energy syncs more and more with the spiritual reality.

Overall, I think there is no cause for worry, especially given the fact, that the spiritual power is put to the use of expanding knowledge and for creating greater awareness and acceptance of spirituality.
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My dear Sravna,

To the best of my knowledge and understanding, Ayurveda does not say that a person is born with certain type of constitution and that as long as that constitution is maintained he would be of normal health. On the contrary, Ayurveda says that the three doshas (vAta, pitta & kapha) should be well-balanced if a person has to have sound health. Ayurveda recognises imbalance in these tridoshas even in new-born children and has methods of treating such conditions.

Our Ayurveda Acaryas must definitely have known about spiritual energy and its various aspects. But they did not consider it advisable to cure people through the spiritual route but chose to find out medicinal herbs and preparations from them as medicines to be used in the cure of illnesses. Now, I think this is a point which is worthy of consideration.

You are silent on putting the spiritual energy to get some food packets for hungry children; may I presume that the spiritual energy is helpless in such matters?
 
Dear Renuka,

I have given my views and have made it clear where I stand. There are counter views and opposition to my views. I have given my best effort to convince people of my views. Anything more than this convincing will be going out of my way. Recently I have started to feel if anything has to happen, it will happen.

Let's see what unfolds. But I do plan to develop the theory and can provide the empirical support if asked for.
 
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Dear Shri Sangom,

From Wikipedia on Ayurveda:

Ayurveda also names three elemental substances, the doshas (called Vata, Pitta and Kapha), and states that a balance of the doshas results in health, while imbalance results in disease. One Ayurvedic view is that a the doshas are balanced when they are equal to each other, while another view is that each human possesses a unique combination of the doshas which define this person's temperament and characteristics. In either case, it says that each person should modulate their behavior or environment to increase or decrease the doshas and maintain their natural state.

I believe knowledge is real power. Trying to eradicate poverty through education is lot more potent than using spiritual power and distributing thayir sadham. If you are wondering whether I have the ability to materialize thayir sadham, , not yet, But I feel the energy increasing in me every day. So watch out!
 
sravna said:
, But I feel the energy increasing in me every day.
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Dear Sravna,

How does this "energy" feel?

Is it like a electric current like feeling?

Do you feel the tips of your fingers having a mild tingling sensation?

Do you feel at times you want personal time and have a feeling to isolate yourself for at least sometime for you to "rebalance" your self?

Do you feel that at times you are connected to a bigger picture?

Do you get lucid dreams?

Do you hear a guiding voice telling you what to do?

Do you feel that your intellectual capacity has increased and grasping and memory have increased?

Do you feel you have tough time convincing others about your changes but no one seems to understand you?

Do you feel you need more sleep and feel you are becoming "younger" again as if time is going backwards?

Do you look younger than before?


I hope you can share what are the changes you have noted that makes you feel that some amount of changes of the spiritual kind is happening.
 
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Dear Renuka,

Really good questions. The most notable change I am seeing is I am much more in self control now and it seems to be getting better. I am able to control impulses, temptations, emotions much better than before. I can see greater and greater clarity on issues I have been thinking about and yes I am able to see the big picture better.

On the physical side, I am less prone to tiredness, get more sound sleep, and people say I don't look the age I am.

You are right about feeling the energy in a perceptible way.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

1.How does this "energy" feel?

2.Is it like a electric current like feeling?

3.Do you feel the tips of your fingers having a mild tingling sensation?

4.Do you feel at times you want personal time and have a feeling to isolate yourself for at least sometime for you to "rebalance" your self?

5.Do you feel that at times you are connected to a bigger picture?

6.Do you get lucid dreams?

7.Do you hear a guiding voice telling you what to do?

8.Do you feel that your intellectual capacity has increased and grasping and memory have increased?

9.Do you feel you have tough time convincing others about your changes but no one seems to understand you?

10.Do you feel you need more sleep and feel you are becoming "younger" again as if time is going backwards?

11.Do you look younger than before?


I hope you can share what are the changes you have noted that makes you feel that some amount of changes of the spiritual kind is happening.
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Dear Renukaji,

Won't you ask these questions to me?

My answers are ( because I too feel full of energy) these:

1. It feels like being on top of the world.

2. It is like a de javu feeling.

3. No tingling. It is like the key to heaven is with you in your fingers.

4. I can isolate myself even while remaining fully involved in the midst of the thickest Diwali crowd on Renganathan Street, T.Nagar, Chennai.

5. I remain always 24x7 connected to the bigger picture. I see strange attracters of Chaos theory where other do not see them--even in the trash cans of science and technology.

6. My dreams are always vivid and lucid and very beautifully poetic.

7. I do not hear any such voice. But if I want I can switch it on for my entertainment.

8. These have happened long back. There is no further scope for this to happen as there is no further space to grow.

9. I just do not try to convince any one. I just tell them and leave them to find their way.

10. Yes I need more sleep. That is because I keep awake for long.

11. I remain always young. I do not grow old bodily at all. I like this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dva67OI2zlE though I do not drink.

Now what do you say? I know that too. LOL.
 
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Dear Shri Vaagmi,

I suppose it is the increasing energy that is of real interest. Your energy is more of an academic interest.
 
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Some thoughts on Ayurveda. Ayurveda assumes that body has a nature and once the physical condition goes against that nature disorders happen. So it treats the body to restore it to the natural condition. Two bodies can have the same proportion of doshas but one may have a physical order say at birth. So the physical condition of the body at birth and the nature of the body are not equivalent IMO. The physical conditions can be rectified by outside efforts and you would not be infringing the karma laws. But it seems to me, when the nature of the body itself i.e, the natural proportion of doshas are sought to be altered is when you go against the laws of karma.
 
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sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

Really good questions. The most notable change I am seeing is I am much more in self control now and it seems to be getting better. I am able to control impulses, temptations, emotions much better than before. I can see greater and greater clarity on issues I have been thinking about and yes I am able to see the big picture better.

On the physical side, I am less prone to tiredness, get more sound sleep, and people say I don't look the age I am.

You are right about feeling the energy in a perceptible way.
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Dear Sravna,

Since you have noted some positive changes in you..I feel the best is for your to approach a reputable Guru and tell him about your increasing energy levels and lets see what he has to say.

The reason I asked you these questions is at times an imbalance of neurotransmitters does give similar signs and symptoms to a so called spiritual awakening.

So the question is "Is it an awakening or a neurotransmitter imbalance? or is a neurotransmitter imbalance a trigger or even a pre-requisite for a spiritual awakening?"

In fact there is a book called Kundalini,Psychosis or Transcendence by a psychiatrist Dr Lee Sannella who noted that symptoms of Psychosis and Kundalini awakening can be strikingly similar but the Kundalini awakening comes with some positive changes even in that chaos of feelings.

He observed that these sort of cases were different from other psychosis and he used to not put such patients on medication.

It makes an interesting read.

So the I feel the best is for you to find out what exactly is happening to you..so get a reputed Guru ji's opinion..may be an Ashram atmosphere would help you understand yourself better.

Lets see what the Guru ji's opinion might be on your changes.

I am trying to understand this situation from your point of view.
 
Dear Renuka,

Frankly I am more comfortable exploring spirituality myself. This is especially since my goals are not typical. I want people to understand and appreciate spiritual values and be able to come to the spiritual perspective. The spiritual perspective is one where you are yourself and which brings out original and positive thinking. I think I will be best able to do that if I think of novel ways of doing that which I can do only by exploring spirituality myself.

It is a challenging task but is something I am more passionate about than actual use of spiritual power.
 
Dear Renuka,

Also feelings of bliss more frequently happens.

This is one important thing I failed to mention.
 
Dear Renuka,

I cannot explain the feeling itself in words. But let me put it in perspective. When you are physically secure you have a ceratin peace and I call it basic happiness. Then you have the happiness from others and through money. That is the next level of happiness. Then the happiness through intellectual accomplishments, fame is even higher level of happiness. But when you help others and are able to be happy at the happiness of others is when happiness due to spirituality starts and is higher than the happiness gained through intellectual accomplishments.

Imagine if that spiritual happiness in the mind is felt in the body. That you can imagine to be the feeling of bliss.
 
Hi Mr sravna
All the best for exploring spirituality by urself sravna ji:thumb:...wish u get more and more wisdom abt that..but do tread with caution..
 
Dear Dr.Dinesh,

All I think that needs to be done in the case of spirituality is that it has to be put in a new bottle.
 
sravna said:
A conclusive proof of spiritual energy would be to show that energy beyond the power of what is theoretically produceable by the body can indeed be produced. That would show that there is a source of energy that is non physical. So, reality also includes non physical entitites. This is the gist. I would talk more about the theory after conclusive proof of existence of such an entity.

I would like to show this by inviting forum members to have spiritual energy cure their health problems or improve their general health. They just have to post their names on this thread

Once a sufficient number of members have responded, I would start treatment for all of them and try to cure their problems

That would actually show that not only is the energy possessing power to do physical work but also intelligence to do mental work by curing the diseases. I will discuss all that after the results are achieved.
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Does this apply to mental health also or just physical health??
 
Hi Madam,
I suffer from this. And I have figured out that its due to the accumulation of acid in the stomach due to taking coffee and tea. Once i vomit the acid or "pitham" as we call in Tamil , it goes away and ( I start the coffee again LOL) .
 
I have got some clarity on what is the right use of spiritual powers on physical and mental problems.

The golden rule seems to be do not try to alter the nature of body or mind. Our scriptures talk about the nature of body and mind in terms of doshas and gunas resp. As long as the physical well being or mental happiness is not taken beyond what should be according to the nature of the body and mind, use of spiritual power would be ok. Any amount of physical or mental force cannot change nature. It is the spiritual power that can change this nature. But again it seems, more the spiritual power, greater it acts in accordance with destiny.
 
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sravna said:
Dear Folks,

If you would like to know American interest in spirituality, there is a forum. I have started a thread. Take a look:
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=93355
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Whoa Sravna!


You have a following already.

But I always thought you felt Westerners are "materialistic" and Easterners more "spiritual" but it seems to me these American forum members are really into spirituality,healing,occult not to mention well informed and in sync with your thoughts.
I feel very soon you will gain Guruji status there.
 
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renuka said:
Whoa Sravna!


You have a following already.

But I always thought you felt Westerners are "materialistic" and Easterners more "spiritual" but it seems to me these forum members are really into spirituality,healing,occult etc.

I feel very soon you will gain Guruji status there.
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Dear Renuka,

The forum is popular and it is surprising. Frankly I am unable to understand what some are saying but I think I will learn.
 
sravna said:
Dear Renuka,

The forum is popular and it is surprising. Frankly I am unable to understand what some are saying but I think I will learn.
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Dear Sravna,

I feel many are well informed and have an exploring mind.

One or two prefer not to have a theoretical concept and prefer spirituality to be a believe as it is and need not be evidence based.

I think this is becos of their strong Dualistic Christian background...why not try introducing Advaita concepts and see their response.

BTW that forum seems too "polite"..it somehow does not have that much "garam masala"!LOL
 
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renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

I feel many are well informed and have an exploring mind.

One or two prefer not to have a theoretical concept and prefer spirituality to be a believe as it is and need not be evidence based.

I think this is becos of their strong Dualistic Christian background...why not try introducing Advaita concepts and see their response.

BTW that forum seems too "polite"..it somehow does not have that much "garam masala"!LOL
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Dear Renuka,

I am planning to let the conversations develop naturally. Garam masala will happen once disagreements start. So be patient.
 
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