Advice to Parents - Arrange for Inter-Brahmin marriage

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Sri RVR ji,

Nation wide inter-Brahmin unity and prosperity is the need of the hour. Politically and socially the group ism would be imperative to sustain Brahmin community.

As per the subject of this wonderful thread, for matrimonial efforts with integrity among the Brahmins of India, a proactive approach from your team would be a hallmark and would relieve many parents from the anxiety pertaining to the marriage of their eligible children within Brahmin community.

In my little efforts to find some leads for the above, I could come across a brahmin community called Jangid Brahmins, from among the Five Gauda Brahmins of north of Vindhya - Saraswatas, kanyakubjas, Gaudas, Utkala and Maithilas.

The Jangid Brahmin community has a trust in the name and style of - Akhil Bhartiya Jangid Brahmin Mahasabha, head quartered in Delhi and has its wide spread presence in different parts of Haryana, Delhi, Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, Madhya Pradesh, Chattisgarh, Rajasthan, Maharashra and Punjab.

Akhil Bhartiya Jangid Brahmin Mahasabha seems to be highly organized organization for the betterment of its society across the globe and is focusing on multi level activities including Matrimonial.

Here is the short description of web site owned by the samaj-

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Jangid Brahmin Samaj Website :: Jangid Community,Jangid Group,Jangid News - The very first website of Jangid samaj was effectively launched on 17 Sept 2004. The experts of team are regularly updating the website & working hard for collecting data from different fields of samaj. The result of them is in front of you. We are trying to touch the every segment of community, as many factors affects development of society. So we trying to reach upto business, service, career, matrimonial, articles, social news, history etc.
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The contact details are -

Jangid Brahmin Samaj Website :: Jangid Community,Jangid Group,Jangid News
Contact Address:
Mr. R.P.Sharma
( Secretary )
Vision Education & Development Samiti
789, Kisan Marg, Barkat Nagar, Jaipur-302015(Raj.)
Phone: 0141-2592177 , 9314528793
You can also E-Mail your query to Mr. R. P. Sharma at any following
Email Addresses:-
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]
[email protected]

Approaching this Samaj may be of great help for your team to discuss on the feasibility of taking up the matrimonial efforts considering North Indian Brahmins.

 

[Nara]

Dear Shri SuryaKasyapa, Greetings!

.... Adamant oppositions by well camouflaged arguments will be forthcoming from vested interests to thwart any unity among Brahmins in specific,and Hindus in general.
But the arguments and logic will be so enticing ,that the real trap below will not be clear. They will be sporting the attire as if they are the tordh bearers of a new society, to attract the naive in isolation and before they recognise the danger,the poor things are finished.

These are to be best avoided and the aim well focussed.Success is sure to come.

First, I want to thank you for taking my arguments seriously and commenting on them. Shri Sharma (BTW, there may have been some confusion, all my Shri Sharma in this thread refers to the Astrologer Sharma, not sankara_sharma) wanted my opinions to be treated as a dog barking at the sun. So, I appreciate your comment.

To being a contrarian, I readily admit, but I submit to you Sir, I am an honest contrarian. My arguments are not camouflaged to hide any hidden agenda. My vested interests are in the open for all to see.

My concept of unity is broader than any particular caste or religion. There is no trap under my arguments. I lack such cunning dear sir. In fact, from the responses I have brooked, it is clear my arguments are not all that persuasive either. I have ended up fighting with one of the only two people who have expressed a sliver of sympathy for my positions.

Perhaps you are going to say you did not mean me at all. But the fact of the matter is I am the only one who has been "adamantly" opposing the idea under discussion. Therefore, I think I am not being overly sensitive when I take the rebuke to be directed at me.

Dear sir, in all good conscience I cannot support or wish this effort well, as I truly believe it to be a misguided one. But I only wish the best to everyone here, including Astrologer Shri Sharma.

Cheers!

 

[happyhindu]

Dear Shri Nara and Shri Kunjuppu,

Thank you for the post to me. At this point, the need is settling the wedding of a large number of guys. If that be the only point it is good.

It is also natural to marry within the same culture set. While the thread initiator started the thread on a good note, unfortuantely baseless posts from all on communal feelings, hatered, claims of returning to roots, so-called claims of national integration, etc has taken away the focus from the marriage issue.

Exclusivism does not mean superiority. Over years some abused it as such. If it were about exclusivity alone, then there is no prob. But typcially (as in case of a few other threads too) the comments on exclusivity comes across as linked to a superior or a super-superior ideology. As i see it, the point of weddings has been shoved aside; and the discussions b/w members are more focussed on the communal issue instead.

Shri Kunjuppu, i did say myopic but let me explain why i said it.

Everyone on this thread presumes that females are readily available amongst NIBs, TNBs, and whatever group. Possibly they are right. But they are expecting females around the age group of 30.

Added to that, they are expecting middle class girls with traditional values that will suit the orthodoxy here (orthodox families do not keep unmarried daughters at home for that long unless they are non-orthodox and traditional, but progressive in their thinking - in such case it means the girls are of independent thinking - i do not think they are searching for such girls - looks more like they want someone obedient, docile, etc like the ladies of their own generation).

To top it, they expect the girls will readily agree. To super-top it they give examples of the previous generation that knew to adjust, which possibly means they still expect the females to do all the adjusting and nativising.

Sir, imo, why Northie Brahmins or Tamil NBs, i do not think any sensible female will be interested in such alliances. Females (even from ordinary families) are far more independent today. They wud not settle for a guy just like that.

Since i have spoken my mind, then on a personal note, let me say this also: If past the age of 30 a guy still expects his parents to find and finalise his bride then i wud never marry such a guy (it wud mean, he is not man enough or capable enough). And yes sir, imo, this is what the traditional middle-class female thinks in this current age and time. Please make a poll and ask females...in any case, it is best to ask the females themselves what's on their mind..

Shri Kunjuppu, my previous post was on the outliers (a group of abnormals) who used to ridicule the southies, not the vast majority i came across. That old racism of northie-southie finished off in my parents' generation i think.

Regards.

 

[sankara_sharmah]

I do not think it is correct to call all the Boys who are not able to find Tamil Brahmin brides as dregs or சோப்ளாங்கி. They are unfortunate. That is all.

Some of the reasons for these boys not finding suitable Brides are:

1. Location: Boys who are in smaller cities like Tiruchy, Madurai, towns and villages find it difficult because the Girls (even those from the very same towns, villages) seem to prefer Boys from Metros.

A Boy who lives with his parents in L.I.C colony in Trichy and earns Rs. 20000 per month actually lives more comfortably than the Boy in Chennai who earns double that salary.

If a Boy is contented to live in his home town with his parents, he is not dregs. He may be able to earn much more by going to the Metros. The employee in a B.P.O in the Metros earns a high salary because of the nature of his work and high profitability of the undertaking.

2. The earning does not depend on either your intelligence or academic qualifications. There are many members of MENSA who are struggling for survival. Taxi drivers and what not.

There are many Engineers in India who earn much less than what an average employee in the B.P.O call center earns. When the Call center industry started in India, they had targeted the Hotel management professionals. The hospitality industry in India is a poor pay master. And these Boys/Girls have a good command over English language and used to interacting with people.

So a conclusion that because a Boy earns less, he is a சோப்ளாங்கி or dregs is unwarranted and absolutely false.

3. You may think that a Boy earns Megabucks in the U.S has an easy time. Those days are gone.

You see an advertisement asking for Boys earning more than Rs. 20000 per month. You ring the Girl's father and tell him about your boy earning a fabulous salary in the U.S/outside Tamil Nadu.

You are in for a shock when the girl's father says "We are looking for Boys who are in Chennai." So the Boy earning Rs.20000 in Chennai has a better chance than one who may be drawing 10 times that amount outside.

Please do not add insult to injury.

These Boys are neither சோப்ளாங்கி nor Dregs.

 

[happyhindu]

A few suggestions:

1) Please ask the females about their views and do they want to marry a particular boy. These days the females want to decide things. Parents are there to help, but not to make the final choice for them.

[Recently my mom was approached by a guy's parents to know if she had someone suitable in mind. When she met a girl, mom provided the guy's details and asked the girl if she wud be interested. The girl said 'no aunty i want a boy from my own field, i am not interested in this alliance, please do not approach my parents with this alliance, otherwise they will pressurise me to consider it'].

2) Please allow the prospective guys and girls to speak with each other atleast a few times, before they can decide.

3) If a couple is comfortable with a bigger age difference, please encourage girls to marry an older guy. (If the guy has all the requisite qualities, and if the couple gets along well, then why not..)

4) Better to find out a girl's expectations before marriage - when does she plan to have kids? Some women these days plan children well past 35, and then find they are not able to get pregnent (they forget the biological clock). Career can be built anytime, kids cannot.

5) If a couple has trouble within them, then please encourage them to go to a professional for counselling (friends, family members, neighbours, etc please stay away and do not confuse them). But do encourage a couple to iron out probs rather than divorce which shd only be the absolutely only the very last resort.

This are small suggestions but hope it is useful..

 

[sankara_sharmah]

As far as the Tamil Brahmin community is concerned, the pendulum has swung to the other side. It is the girl and her parents who dictate the terms. With most of the couples staying alone, the question of the family members interfering in the decision of the couple does not arise.

 

[Raghy]

Sow.Happy Hindu said:-

If past the age of 30 a guy still expects his parents to find and finalise his bride then i wud never marry such a guy (it wud mean, he is not man enough or capable enough).

Nobody can argue against this point. It comes straight from a woman's mind. By the way, Sow.HH is very soft spoken. This observation may be either laughable or shocking to the respectable members. I know one lady who is much more outspoken. She said in today's world when girls are proactive enough to find their own partners, why can't the boys do it? Even if the parents 'arrange' a possible partner, more often than not, the youngsters, boys and girls alike like to talk to the boy/girl. If not selected in that step, they don't proceed any further. Then she said....

"Boys still have to win the girls"

Interestingly, I had a conversation with Sri.Kunjuppu in a different thread. I think Sri.Kunjuppu's comment in that thread is more appropriate to this thread....

over 35 years ago, i was travelling to madras from bombay dadar express. it was late afternoon, and from arakonam, got into our compartment, a madisar mami widowed, a little girl and a young man.

the youngster appeared petrified, and throughout the journey, the mami was consoling and encouraging him. told him that this is not a frightening experience, the girl's father would not probe him with questions etc etc.

it taught me one thing: our boys are eunuched when it comes to girls. it appears still so, considering the numbers of them trying to find spouses themselves.

http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/chit-chat/4513-things-i-did-not-enjoy.html

Sri.Kunjuppu is spot on.

Sri.Sankara Sharma said:-

.... Location: Boys who are in smaller cities like Tiruchy, Madurai, towns and villages find it difficult because the Girls (even those from the very same towns, villages) seem to prefer Boys from Metros.

I don't think so. Boys are boys, no matter whereever they hail from. A purposeful boy with a pleasing personality will cause butterflies to flutter in any girl..be she hails from metro or village or in-between. Girls simply love boys. Period. Unfortunately, most boys do not know that..

In my opinion, this thread should address the misgivings of the boys too. Some of the boys may not seek any adventure because of their knowledge that their parents would 'veto' it anyway. The parents should encourage the boys to seek too. Only the 'cream of the cream' amoung the boys and girls would be settled by this kind of arrangement; ironically, the opposite may also be settled by arrangements. But the in-betweens may have to be bit more adventurous. The girls seem to be leading in that area, as of now.

Cheers!

 

[RVR]

I wish all of us control our words and languages in the best interest of our forum.

Our boys are probably more disciplined and are obedient to their parents. It should not be construed as their weakness but we should appreciate their behavior. On the contrary as parent community, it is our responsibility to solve their problems.

The shortage of TB girls are genuine. However if we calculate the overall shortage based on my figures in previous postings under this thread, it is just below 2% only.

Again the shortage is purely a temporary phenomena and is likely to get solved in the near future.

Of course one thing which we have to consider right now is boys should qualify and develop themselves equally to the girls. Otherwise we are forced to compare them with girls and all such of words & languages emerge during our discussions.

Another thing which emerged in the last decade as pointed out by Sri Sankar Sharma is there is no correlation between qualification and salary. Earlier Engineering Degree holders managed to get better salaries as compared to three year degrees in Arts, Science & Commerce. With the emergence of Call Centers and BPO, the salary difference have vanished.

I have noticed in the past some parents discriminating girls by just admitting them in three year courses and boys with engineering degrees. Since this discrimination has disappeared at the job level, girls are equally empowered. More over girls are more dedicated and committed to their jobs as compared to the boys.

Those boys who are not committed and sincere are facing disadvantage when it comes to marriage alliance.

I request our honorable members to arrange counseling of boys nearing school completion about the problems they have to face in the future if they waste their time during the prime years.

We are able to share our experiences and discuss the common problems facing our community in this forum now a days. Let us thank Sri Praveen for providing this wonderful platform.

We have to permit opposite views with due respect. Let us follow the famous statement of an eminent French writer -- Voltaire

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Prof Nara is one among us and his views are also very much important for our decision making process. May be majority of us have deferred with him in this particular thread which is a natural thing to happen in any democratic functioning.

All the best

 

[sankara_sharmah]

We have had some posts about inter-caste marriages. I had suggested that a separate thread should be started for that.

Frankly even if I want to arrange a marriage for my son with a Saiva Vellala, Chettiar or other community girl, there is no way I can do it. The response for any such proposal from other communities is poor to say the least.

Why? Because we do tend to forget that Castes have existed for thousands of years. Reservations did not create the Castes. Even if the reservations are totally removed the castes will continue to exist.

Castes represent communities with similar lifestyles and patterns of behaviour. Way of living. The lifesyle and way of living of a Saiva Vellala is different from that of a Brahmin. I have a number of Saiva Vellala and Chettiar friends. But the thought of inter-marriage does not even occur to anyone.

Take for example the Sai devotees. All of them consider Sai Baba as GOD. But do they inter marry. No. They marry only Sai Devotees from the same community.

There are many subtle things in every day life. As a Brahmin I am aware of how I should conduct myself in a Brahmin's house. The way the Brahmins look at things in life. From my experience I have seen that this is a common trend whether the Brahmin is from Assam, Bengal or Tamil Nadu. This is what binds all the Brahmins together and why we are considering inter-Brahmin marriages.

Except the Chettiar community whom I know very well, I do not know the right way of conduct in the other communities house.

I do not know whether I have made myself clear. May be as clear as Mud. Let me give an example. I had received a proposal from a Non-Brahmin for my son. Upper Middle class. Excellent family. The father emphasized in his letter and over the phone that his family follows the Brahminical way and the girl has been brought up in the Brahminical way.

The common pattern of thinking and Behaviour is in us. It is based on thousands of years of following the pattern. You can not define it. You can not remove it. Your education, sophistication, way of living modifies it, but never ever removes it completely. It is true of all communities in India or anywhere in the world.

No caste in India is prepared to give their daughters in marriage to boys from any other caste. Most of them are definitely looking at ways of removing the distinctions between the sub-castes. They are also looking at related castes in other states.

Intellectuals who recommend inter-caste marriage have to face this reality. Many states including Tamil Nadu have rewards for inter-caste marriages. Instituted long time back when we thought inter-caste marriages will wipe out Casteism in India. I used to be one of them. Reality is different. It is like the intellectuals of Tamil Nadu who have been bred on the writing of Ingersoll trying to implement his ideas to Hinduism.

The Indian National Congress was in favour of inter-caste marriages. They tried popularising it. The Communists refused to accept caste. But now they are facing the reality and no longer talk in favour of it.

 

[RVR]

Legally children of a brahmin boy marrying other community girl are considered as Brahmins only. So there will not be any benefit from reservation or any other government schemes for the children.

Relatives also may not entertain the inter caste married couple in social functions freely.

Under these circumstances, why any brahmin boy should take the risk.

Status quo is the best option.

All the best

 

[sankara_sharmah]

There has been criticism of sharma for saying that the swayamvarams will be exclusively for Brahmins. There are other castes/communities arraging such functions. They are all exclusively for that caste/community only.

This is not something that only Brahmins follow. All other caste do it. No exceptions at all.

India is a country where people do not give up their caste even after conversion to other religions. You should hear the Kottayam Christians boast about being Namboothiri Brahmin converts.

 

[RVR]

There has been criticism of sharma for saying that the swayamvarams will be exclusively for Brahmins. There are other castes/communities arraging such functions. They are all exclusively for that caste/community only.

This is not something that only Brahmins follow. All other caste do it. No exceptions at all.

Sri Sankar Sharma sir,

We are receiving requests from other communities to organise Swayamvarams exclusively for their communities. We are requesting them organise themselves and we are willing give free advice.

Each community in India wants to preserve its own turf and it is difficult to change it.

Even in Tamilnadu where social reform movement has taken into deep roots, the caste system very much prevails.

Under these circumstances, let us try to help our community boys to the best possible extent and avoid rest of the areas.

All the best

 

[uvsharma]

Naveenaswayamvaram function is doing wonderful service to our community practically at neglible cost. I attended Coimbatore event. Let us sincerely congradulate Swaminatha Sharma and other organisers for such a service minded activity.

On going through this thread, i find that the problems facing our eligible boys are discussed in a detailed manner. I support the move for inter brahmin marriages. It will help national integration of all the brahmins.

I earnestly request the organisers of naveenaswayamvaram to conduct more such events on regular basis.

Please don't get distracted by some of the posts in this thread and please continue your good work. May be some members not belonging to our community are creating problems for you. You please continue your good work.

 

[nachi naga]

let me chip infor my brothers and sisters here.my children are kanta's aka kannada-tamil now english totally.inter-language marriage,i organised for myself,though i had the blessings of elders of both families as well as our kula gurus.we are happy family.my suggestion to future generations,parents,its far more important to see both couples education,personality traits,community belonging,plus a horoscope match..for a initiative like marriage between strangers.

 

[Raghy]

Sri.UVSharma wrote:-

Please don't get distracted by some of the posts in this thread and please continue your good work. May be some members not belonging to our community are creating problems for you.

I am reading few messages in this tone in this thread. What is the distraction mentioned here? Who is 'creating problems'? I am taking part in this thread and I have not noticed any such messages from any members. It may be nice to hear messages that say 'yes sir...yes sir'; but would such unconditional acceptances solve any problems? There is a problem, 1,200 eligible bachelors, that this swayamvaram commitee knew are not able to get matches. What is the point of just saying 'yes sir' to anything and everything? We have to scrutinise the issues and be prepared to take some drastic steps.

The Swayamvaram commitee are working hard; but they can not produce miracles. We should look at all the aspects pertaining to the issue at hand.

Cheers!

 

[RVR]

Naveenaswayamvaram function is doing wonderful service to our community practically at neglible cost. I attended Coimbatore event. Let us sincerely congradulate Swaminatha Sharma and other organisers for such a service minded activity.

On going through this thread, i find that the problems facing our eligible boys are discussed in a detailed manner. I support the move for inter brahmin marriages. It will help national integration of all the brahmins.

I earnestly request the organisers of naveenaswayamvaram to conduct more such events on regular basis.

Please don't get distracted by some of the posts in this thread and please continue your good work. May be some members not belonging to our community are creating problems for you. You please continue your good work.

Sri UVSharma,

Thanks for your encouragement. We shall continue our swayamvaram functions and please be assured that nothing will stop us.

All the best

 

[AnanthaNarayanan]

legally children of a brahmin boy marrying other community girl are considered as brahmins only. So there will not be any benefit from reservation or any other government schemes for the children.

Relatives also may not entertain the inter caste married couple in social functions freely.

Under these circumstances, why any brahmin boy should take the risk.

Status quo is the best option.

All the best

rvr sir, you are very much right. Even if any icm happens also , we may have to receive them to our fold .to lead the life in brahminical way.

 

[kunjuppu]

Naveenaswayamvaram function is doing wonderful service to our community practically at neglible cost. I attended Coimbatore event. Let us sincerely congradulate Swaminatha Sharma and other organisers for such a service minded activity.

On going through this thread, i find that the problems facing our eligible boys are discussed in a detailed manner. I support the move for inter brahmin marriages. It will help national integration of all the brahmins.

I earnestly request the organisers of naveenaswayamvaram to conduct more such events on regular basis.

Please don't get distracted by some of the posts in this thread and please continue your good work. May be some members not belonging to our community are creating problems for you. You please continue your good work.

uvsharma,

not sure what you mean distraction and hinderance to continuance of the good work.

if it is an innuendo comment on some of the arguements here, i think you have it all wrong. you could be more positive in your encouragement, that trying to search out the supposed bogeys and phantoms who are out to wreck these functions.

personally, even among the most critical posters here, there are no quislings, i think. each one of us in our own way, have positively contributed to progress this attitude, from one of concept to one of action.

even at this stage, taking into account, the mindset expected from the participants at the tvm function, all of this heated conversations may be mute. if there are no takers, there are more investigations into isbm (inter state brahmin marriages).

there are idealists and those who believe in the ultimate right thing, and these folks are advocating that we do the right thing, ie go beyong isbm and investigate possibilities,or even indicate our opening upto, icm.

i suspect uvsharma does not like that. on the contrary, i would like it (icm with other tamil tribes), but taking into account the deep held traditions here, and also among other tamil tribes, i think, the time has not yet come. it will come definitely, sooner or letter, inspite of and because of, one and any member who spouses views to or contrary.

to that extent, we all have to bow before time and inevitabilties. one may be can slow down the clock, but cannot turn it back. so, till the tvm function and the responses from there, let us wish the organizers and doers the best of our wishes and watch out for the outcome. just like election results

to imagine the future, one has only to look at the immediate past and understand the gradient of thought reformation. which i think, has all been, for the better.

 

[sangom]

Dear Raghy, Kunjuppu,

I had also advocated icm locally. But my interaction with some of my TB friends here in TVPM (where a few icms have taken place recently) reveals that the mindset of the target group of the TB parents (of boys, at the present stage) is not developed enough to accept icm. We have also to remember that Naveenaswayamvaram is only a facilitator; it has no "authority" to tell the target group that icm is the only way out for them, nor ban them from further participation on that count. Added to all these we have no evidence to come to an a priori judgement that the target group of boys are so eager that they will get married at any cost. If that were the case, they would have explored alternatives and would not be waiting!

I, therefore, feel that we should discuss this issue with the full realisation that we do not have any special right to decide the course of action for the target group.

 

[kunjuppu]

Dear Raghy, Kunjuppu,

.....
I, therefore, feel that we should discuss this issue with the full realisation that we do not have any special right to decide the course of action for the target group.

absolutely!! i agree with you 100%.

i have come to realize that my notes, may not have quite reflected same such view.

on the contrary, i can see many unforseen consequences germinating if such an initiative for inter state brahmin marriages do get a green light. but there is no need to jump the gun now. we will cross that bridge with even more rigorous discussions at that point

best wishes

 

[uvsharma]

uvsharma,

not sure what you mean distraction and hinderance to continuance of the good work.

if it is an innuendo comment on some of the arguements here, i think you have it all wrong. you could be more positive in your encouragement, that trying to search out the supposed bogeys and phantoms who are out to wreck these functions.

personally, even among the most critical posters here, there are no quislings, i think. each one of us in our own way, have positively contributed to progress this attitude, from one of concept to one of action.

even at this stage, taking into account, the mindset expected from the participants at the tvm function, all of this heated conversations may be mute. if there are no takers, there are more investigations into isbm (inter state brahmin marriages).

there are idealists and those who believe in the ultimate right thing, and these folks are advocating that we do the right thing, ie go beyong isbm and investigate possibilities,or even indicate our opening upto, icm.

i suspect uvsharma does not like that. on the contrary, i would like it (icm with other tamil tribes), but taking into account the deep held traditions here, and also among other tamil tribes, i think, the time has not yet come. it will come definitely, sooner or letter, inspite of and because of, one and any member who spouses views to or contrary.

to that extent, we all have to bow before time and inevitabilties. one may be can slow down the clock, but cannot turn it back. so, till the tvm function and the responses from there, let us wish the organizers and doers the best of our wishes and watch out for the outcome. just like election results

to imagine the future, one has only to look at the immediate past and understand the gradient of thought reformation. which i think, has all been, for the better.

Sir,

In the swayamvaram at coimbatore swaminatha sharma told us to give up sub-castes and also said there should not be any difference between iyer, iyengar, madhva, gurukkal etc.

Now it is being discussed here that there should not be any differance of brahmins speaking various languages.

I think we should stop with this as digesting this for ordinary people like me is not going to be easy. I don't know how other participants will think about it.

If you talk of inter caste or inter religion marriage, definitely I cannot digest. Anybody wanting to do intercaste or inter religion marriage, let them do so on their own. Please don't bring to your swayamvaram functions.

If you bring it to swayamvaram function, it will lose its charm and people like me will avoid attending the function. I meant distraction only about it. If I am wrong, please forgive me. Sorry sir if I have used any wrong word.

 

[nachi naga]

Sir,

In the swayamvaram at coimbatore swaminatha sharma told us to give up sub-castes and also said there should not be any difference between iyer, iyengar, madhva, gurukkal etc.

Now it is being discussed here that there should not be any differance of brahmins speaking various languages.

I think we should stop with this as digesting this for ordinary people like me is not going to be easy. I don't know how other participants will think about it.

If you talk of inter caste or inter religion marriage, definitely I cannot digest. Anybody wanting to do intercaste or inter religion marriage, let them do so on their own. Please don't bring to your swayamvaram functions.

If you bring it to swayamvaram function, it will lose its charm and people like me will avoid attending the function. I meant distraction only about it. If I am wrong, please forgive me. Sorry sir if I have used any wrong word.

uvs,

except for the north americans,nobody here is goofy enuff to suggest inter-caste marriage or inter-religion marriage.with the sankara muttams blessing the organiser's,how they will even think of something like this,total apacharam it will be and the gurus wrath on organisers if they deviate away from same tamil brahmins community.let the boys be not married and let the girls not marry us tb's.we will sacrifice for our heritage shud be the attitude and stay spinstres and bachelors forever till death does them apart from earth.the brindavanam in kanchi will quake,if we deviate from marrying outside brahmin caste.i think some pariharam must be suggested for the website to attract saathviv beings instead of atheists trying to hijack the website in every thread.:boom:

 

[sangom]

uvs,

except for the north americans,nobody here is goofy enuff to suggest inter-caste marriage or inter-religion marriage.with the sankara muttams blessing the organiser's,how they will even think of something like this,total apacharam it will be and the gurus wrath on organisers if they deviate away from same tamil brahmins community.let the boys be not married and let the girls not marry us tb's.we will sacrifice for our heritage shud be the attitude and stay spinstres and bachelors forever till death does them apart from earth.the brindavanam in kanchi will quake,if we deviate from marrying outside brahmin caste.i think some pariharam must be suggested for the website to attract saathviv beings instead of atheists trying to hijack the website in every thread.:boom:

Dear NN,

I think all of us - the members, guests viewing this site etc., - all are mature and informed enough to take their own decisions on every issue, small or big, concerning them and do not look forward to directions or advice from us, except in cases expressly stated so - like astrological problems, books, rituals etc. So, there is no harm in anyone writing against our views and we need not consider it as a highjack, because the passengers will surely reach whichever destination they want to. Hence let us allow all opinions, even outlandish, so that we come to know how different members of TBs and other groups feel about a particular issue.

 

[nachi naga]

dear sangom,

Dear NN,

I think all of us - the members, guests viewing this site etc., - all are mature and informed enough to take their own decisions on every issue, small or big, concerning them and do not look forward to directions or advice from us, except in cases expressly stated so - like astrological problems, books, rituals etc. So, there is no harm in anyone writing against our views and we need not consider it as a highjack, because the passengers will surely reach whichever destination they want to. Hence let us allow all opinions, even outlandish, so that we come to know how different members of TBs and other groups feel about a particular issue.

you remind me of nacchinarkiniyan,wonder why?sigh!

as far mentioning nara's views as outlandish,was just in spite,becoz,he seems to be offending stalwarts of religious pathos for eons,who have harmonised societies.just becoz,today he is thinking diff,does not mean he is less offensive.his english is superb,so it looks ok,despite the content of filth.this is not an atheist website?afik.

you again,write so well,that ppl like nara will pay homage to you.this comes with anubhavam and anugraham.so be it.

i am for all and sundry here.tb nb nnib atb anb......

 

[Nara]

....If you bring it to swayamvaram function, it will lose its charm and people like me will avoid attending the function.

Sir, so, if icm is offered as a possibility for anyone who may not mind considering on their own accord, that is enough to stay away from these functions? Does this not seem a little extreme? I wonder how many strictly veg TBs go to fancy restaurants, and eat veg of course, where NV is also cooked and served.

In any case, there is no need to worry Shri uvsharma, all the organizers have categorically stated that icm will not be offered under any circumstance, come hell or high water. So you can rest easy.

My hope is that my lone voice that is clearly discordant to the older people, may find resonance among the youngsters who may visit this site and be silent readers.

Cheers!