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Advice to Parents - Arrange for Inter-Brahmin marriage

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AnanthaNarayanan said:
rvr sir
i have got some web add they claim as pushpak brahmins..
Pushpaka Brahmin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
www.gulfpushpakam.com
www.spsskozhikode.piczo.com
www.pushpakasevasangam.picoz.com
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As far as my knowledge goes, all these people were grouped under a common label "Ambalavaasi", i.e., living in (by) ambalam or temple; each surname had a specific duty attached to them in the temple. For full details pl. see:

Ambalavasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
sangom said:
As far as my knowledge goes, all these people were grouped under a common label "Ambalavaasi", i.e., living in (by) ambalam or temple; each surname had a specific duty attached to them in the temple. For full details pl. see:

Ambalavasi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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sir sangom ji
you are correct they come under ambalavasis temple inmates
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pushpaka_Brahmin#Origin
can see the origin from this.they too having all function like us. as per the site it says they brought by parasurama to kerala in 64 families namboothris will do pooja in sree kovil .ambalavasi will assist but `no entry' to sree kovil
 
This thread is becoming more and more interesting. Are we considering 'sambandham' with Ambalavaasis and Vishwakarmas? Not that I have any objection. Only 8 months back I was suggesting about inter-caste relationship while discussing with Sri.PVR (I miss you, Sri.PVR). I am so delighted to see the broader outlook taken up by our esteemed members. I offer my respect and offer my full support to all the members involved in the Swayamvaram functions. I offer my respect to Sri.Sankara Sharma, Sri. Anantha Narayanan, Sri.Sangom and other participants in this thread in pushing for a broader out-look amoung the members.

Cheers!
 

LET US TRY OUR BEST TO GET MARRIED -BY STOTRAS
COURTESY:TO PATTARS GROUP
DearFriends
Some time back, I had informed the members about the availability of Stotra
to get Children. Someone jeered at my efforts. I would once again emphasise that
these stotras would be effective only if the person who recites them has one
hundred percent faith. I had translated a Sloka called Sashakthi Shiva Navakam
long back. Each stanza of the stotra is a prayer to achieve certain things in
life like getting knowledge, getting wealth , getting freedom from diseases and
so on. One Mr. Donald who is in USA , who does not know how to read Sanskrit
used my English version in his prayers and achieved what he wanted. Then he
wrote a big thanks to me. This was because of his great faith.
Goddess Parvathi wanted to marry Lord Shiva and the prayer she used is the
Swayamvara Parvathi Manthram. This was used by the Gopis of Brindavan to marry
Lord Krishna. Ccording to Sasthras this prayer helps one to get married and
specially to the person whom we want. I had translated this great Stotra in to
English and this translation is available in www.celestel.org . One
Mr.P.R,Chandran has taken great pains to type the stotra in DEvanagari Script.
People who are interested in getting it may please write to me at ramya475 at
hotmail dot com or MrP.R.Chandran at chandranpr at gmail dot com . With best
wishes, Ramachander http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Pattars/message/5966
 
We are not qualified to decide who is a Brahmin and who is not. But it is better to keep off these castes. It is better to keep off all the castes of Kerala.

Again I think we will have to wait till we know the reaction of our people before we decide to contact the association of other Brahmins.

We have to find out the commonalities before we decide on the Brahmin group. That would eliminate certain Brahmin groups like most of Bengali Brahmins, Maithili Brahmins, Namboothiris among others.
 
Raghy said:
This thread is becoming more and more interesting. Are we considering 'sambandham' with Ambalavaasis and Vishwakarmas? Not that I have any objection. Only 8 months back I was suggesting about inter-caste relationship while discussing with Sri.PVR (I miss you, Sri.PVR). I am so delighted to see the broader outlook taken up by our esteemed members. I offer my respect and offer my full support to all the members involved in the Swayamvaram functions. I offer my respect to Sri.Sankara Sharma, Sri. Anantha Narayanan, Sri.Sangom and other participants in this thread in pushing for a broader out-look amoung the members.

Cheers!
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now if any make smbandham .. can not run away. has tie the knote.

my brother used to make fun with some of `puraniraja chekkanmar' friends in the village . keep going like this will not help you to get a girl. go and see namboothiri,embran and ambalvasi .... they also like brahmins only. ones you got married they become. namaa val.

all the best
 
I think our own community members in Kerala knows more about all these groups and sub-groups.

In this forum itself we have lot of members of Kerala origin.

Let them decide and come out with recommendation.

All the best
 
sankara_sharmah said:
We are not qualified to decide who is a Brahmin and who is not. But it is better to keep off these castes. It is better to keep off all the castes of Kerala.

Again I think we will have to wait till we know the reaction of our people before we decide to contact the association of other Brahmins.

We have to find out the commonalities before we decide on the Brahmin group. That would eliminate certain Brahmin groups like most of Bengali Brahmins, Maithili Brahmins, Namboothiris among others.
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ss ji
in fact namboothirs,then down embranthiri are comming under malayala(kerala) brahmins, i hope those come under yogakshema sabha are mostly brahmins only.

sri adi sanakara baghavath pader is namboothri only
 
I think we should now go ahead with the swayamvaram meet at TVPM, try to assess the mood of the TB people coming there in regard to alliance from brahmins of other areas, as was decided already. Having decided that there is no point, now, in trying to find out, from the web, other groups who stake a claim that they are brahmins.


Though I argued in favour of such alliances ("sambandham" was not a social event such as marriage is: it is not recognised now: it will be immoral under CPC/IPC), I now realize that there are some real difficulties in making an announcement in this regard in an open meeting with media coverage and all that and the TBs being seen as a community inviting other NB communities for marital alliance, though some of us may not have objection to parents themselves going ahead in that direction.
 
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RVR said:
I think our own community members in Kerala knows more about all these groups and sub-groups.

In this forum itself we have lot of members of Kerala origin.

Let them decide and come out with recommendation.

All the best
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rvr sir
it will be better that, we have to make use of local brahmins sabhas also to arrive at a decision.
and in turn we have to motivate the community members to accept and consider at least to start with all tamil cultured brahmins are one. for this there should be a local direct contacts required to make them understand the ground realities.
we d`nt know what is the infulence of local sabhas in the area.
 
RVR, Namboothiris are not followers of Adi Sankara. Most of the Brahmins are. I am sending a note about this to you by p.m since I do not want to discuss other communities in an open forum.
 
Sri.Sangom,

"sambandham" was not a social event such as marriage is..
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Sri.Sangom, the 'sambandham' I wrote was Tamizh word. In Tamizh, a relationship formed through marriage is 'sambandham'. My DIL's (whoever it is) father is in Tamizh, my 'Sambandhi'. ('It is also pronounced 'Sammandhi'! You can imagine my reaction when I was asked if wanted 'sammandhi' for vallai aappam in a mess!:pound:)

Cheers!
 
Raghy said:
Sri.Sangom,

Sri.Sangom, the 'sambandham' I wrote was Tamizh word. In Tamizh, a relationship formed through marriage is 'sambandham'. My DIL's (whoever it is) father is in Tamizh, my 'Sambandhi'. ('It is also pronounced 'Sammandhi'! You can imagine my reaction when I was asked if wanted 'sammandhi' for vallai aappam in a mess!:pound:)

Cheers!
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Shri Raghy,
I was thinking Kerala sambandham because we were talking of marriage with Kerala groups. Thank you for clarifying.
 
sankara_sharmah said:
RVR, Namboothiris are not followers of Adi Sankara. Most of the Brahmins are. I am sending a note about this to you by p.m since I do not want to discuss other communities in an open forum.
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Shri Sankara_Sharmah,

I shall be thankful if you will send one copy to me also because this is a new information for me.

It is true that according to Sankara Vijayam, Namboodiris of Sankara's days held him and his widowed mother in contempt because Sankara was born subsequent to his father's demise. They did not help nor allowed any one else to help Sankara for cremating his mother's body. But when they saw Sankara cutting a plantain tree and burning the body with those, they understood the greatness of Sankara and adopted him as Guru. Even today, the dead body in Namboodiri family is placed on a full plantain leaf, in memory of the incident and then only taken for cremation. (But in cities and metros they may have given this up for want of full plantain leaves.)

The priest of the Badri temple (Raavalji) is a Namboodiri by custom and Namboodiris are advaitins.
 
sangom said:
I think we should now go ahead with the swayamvaram meet at TVPM, try to assess the mood of the TB people coming there in regard to alliance from brahmins of other areas, as was decided already. Having decided that there is no point, now, in trying to find out, from the web, other groups who stake a claim that they are brahmins.


Though I argued in favour of such alliances ("sambandham" was not a social event such as marriage is: it is not recognised now: it will be immoral under CPC/IPC), I now realize that there are some real difficulties in making an announcement in this regard in an open meeting with media coverage and all that and the TBs being seen as a community inviting other NB communities for marital alliance, though some of us may not have objection to parents themselves going ahead in that direction.
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sri sangom ji
in my personel opinion no parent will tell his boy or girl that we have no objection ,you go select any body.
by vertue it happens many times in the community. at that time we accepts them very well.
even inter caste born girls get marries to orthodox brahmins boys. because there way of life.
 
Raghy said:
Sri.Sangom,

Sri.Sangom, the 'sambandham' I wrote was Tamizh word. In Tamizh, a relationship formed through marriage is 'sambandham'. My DIL's (whoever it is) father is in Tamizh, my 'Sambandhi'. ('It is also pronounced 'Sammandhi'! You can imagine my reaction when I was asked if wanted 'sammandhi' for vallai aappam in a mess!:pound:)

Cheers!
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raghy ji
that is chammanthi, our `chatyni or thukayal` with coconut.
may in wet or dry
 
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Sri.Anantha Narayanan,

in my personel opinion no parent will tell his boy or girl that we have no objection ,you go select any body.
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I think you would be surprised! There are parents who give such total freedom to children.

Cheers!
 
AnanthaNarayanan said:
raghy ji
that is chammnathi, our `chatyni or thukayal` with coconut.
may in wet or dry
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Sri.Anantha Narayanan,

I learned later. But when I heard it for the first time, (chammandhi, sammandhi all sound the same in Tamizh. Also in Tamizh, only the terms Chatni or thuvayal or used..so, Chammandhi when heard for the first time was hilarious.

Cheers!
 
Nara said:
Dear kunjuppu,



I think there is a misunderstanding, my impression was you knew in whom Shri Sharma saw the mischief of causing distractions and playing coy with him. If I am wrong on that count, then I stand corrected.

Ha, complement with a sting attached. :)

If these hapless lc/lmc must be guided by us elites, why can't we guide them to the river instead of the muddy waters of a வாய்க்கால். To drink or not is their choice.

But it has already been assumed that if these clueless lc/lmc were to break their parochial ways they are more likely to accept a B girl, from a far away place, with whom they can't even communicate, or share next to nothing in terms of day-to-day living culture, than to consider a TNB girl next door, and therefore TB elites must only attempt to facilitate alliance with Brahmins from other states, and never, never even explore the TNB possibility.

soooo, my question is why assume the ignorance of these parents is possibly malleable only to the extent of a Brahmin from Varanasi, but not a TNB from Mandaveli?

We have already assumed that these dredges at the bottom of the filter are not broadminded like us at the top and will never go outside the caste subgroup. Beyond anecdotal evidence is there any proof of this? Would they rather see their ward's seeds go waste than even give a sideways glance at a TNB bride? Is this their view or our preconception of their view.

Are these parents too frightening to break tradition, or, the elites don't want them to give an opportunity for it?

They won't break tradition, so why provide them this opportunity, but then how can they break tradition unless an opportunity is provided. கல்யாணம் ஆனால் பைத்தியம் தெளியும், பைத்தியம் தெளிஞ்சால் கல்யாணம் ஆகும்.

I also notice you have ignored the very real problems the unfortunate B girl from north with no Tamil knowledge and no relatives anywhere close, will undoubtedly face.

Talking of anecdotes, some 40 years ago, an lc Brahmin from Sri Rangam gave their girl in marriage to an NB because the parents could not afford to find a TB groom. It won't surprise me if 90% of these parents won't want NB, BTW, a proportion I daresay is probably not unlike we elites who are above blindly following tradition. But I think even if one or two families benefit from facilitating an alliance with TNB, that would be an accomplishment worthy of feeling proud about.

Why not attempt to collaborate with some TNB groups and offer it as a possibility. Let the unfortunate lc/lmc decide for themselves, rather than the elites who have already prejudged that there cannot be even one lc/lmc who would be interested in TNB, they would rather have their son's seed wasted.

Why not invite a marriage broker from other TNB and explore the possibility?

Ah, there is Shri Sharma, who has vowed not a single NB will be allowed in the swayamvaram. Nice company to keep.

Cheers!
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nara,

i do not believe that a north indian brahmin bride (NIBB) is all as helpless and isolated as you think, especially in this age of cellphones (1 paise per minute) , skype and sharukh khan (read bollywood movies).

it is to be hoped, that the NIBB is not forcefully parted from her family for the sake of getting married without a dowry. it is to be hoped that she too is a willing partner to the arrangement, and hopefully the desire to build a home will supercede all other criteria.

it would have been a bigger shock to your spouse to be wrenched away from her hometown or even india, 30 years, when there was little by way of communication and that too very expensive and one was forced to count the minutes. such stuff no longer exists in this era of cheap telephone calls worldwide.

regarding swami, he has initiated a lot of good in getting our 30+ bachelors getting hooked. give him the credit. re his boasts about 'brahmins only for swayamvarams', let it go...

now, i feel i am distracting the objective of this thread. so before i get my knuckles rapped, i will bid adieu to this post.

.... quickly too ;)
 
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kunjuppu said:
... nara, to reverse it, you could be termed as the mirror image of swami, having diametrically opposite views. but i will be the first and foremost to defend your right to stay but also prosper her, by virtue of entitlement. our relationship i hope goes deeper than that
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Dear K, The apparent equivalency you are drawing above is unwarranted, I never called for the ouster of Shri Sharma, and never will presume to do so either.

Also, I find it quite disconcerting to be associated with Brahmin-power folks even as a mirror image. People have called me a donkey in this very forum, and even that did not bother me, in fact I had a good laugh. But this one, and the false equivalency, feel like a kick in the gut.

You once said with friends like you I don't need enemies -- I hope and still believe that was only a joke, hope I am right.

Cheers!
 
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