Are we brahmins hypocrite

[sathya_9]

Share:

Facebook X (Twitter) LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Share Link

en
I have all ways thinking are we Brahmins hypocrate. This thinking has arisen on account of some observation.
the first observation:
1) i overheard a Brahmin old senior citizen who was standing in line in vadaplani temple on Kartigai deepam day asking other to show some patience and not to jump line. He was telling to others that before God every one is equal. But when spoted some friend, a police officer who was given vip entry he lost no moment to wave hands to greet and with a smile joined him jumping the que.

incident no.2) Another gentlemen who porbably lived long in western countries, was telling every one that in west there is absolute silence in temple and church like in India where people pray at top of their voice. But whe Kalpura arathi was shown he forgot his western praise and shouted at his highest voice Oh Muruga.

incident 3) another gentleman to wanted enter in the middle of the que and when he was ousted out he left the que he left the que with philosphical remark, theryoonilum irupar and thrumbilum irupar, which means God is present everwhere


one thing in common with all these persons: THEY WERE WEARING TRADITIONAL BRAHMIN PANCHA KACHAM AND POONUL WAS OBVLIOUSLY VISIBILE since they did not wear pny top garments.hy

Are we hypocrate.

sathyanarayanan

 

[tks]

en
I have all ways thinking are we Brahmins hypocrate. This thinking has arisen on account of some observation.
the first observation:
1) i overheard a Brahmin old senior citizen who was standing in line in vadaplani temple on Kartigai deepam day asking other to show some patience and not to jump line. He was telling to others that before God every one is equal. But when spoted some friend, a police officer who was given vip entry he lost no moment to wave hands to greet and with a smile joined him jumping the que.

incident no.2) Another gentlemen who porbably lived long in western countries, was telling every one that in west there is absolute silence in temple and church like in India where people pray at top of their voice. But whe Kalpura arathi was shown he forgot his western praise and shouted at his highest voice Oh Muruga.

incident 3) another gentleman to wanted enter in the middle of the que and when he was ousted out he left the que he left the que with philosphical remark, theryoonilum irupar and thrumbilum irupar, which means God is present everwhere


one thing in common with all these persons: THEY WERE WEARING TRADITIONAL BRAHMIN PANCHA KACHAM AND POONUL WAS OBVLIOUSLY VISIBILE since they did not wear pny top garments.hy

Are we hypocrate.

sathyanarayanan

Hypocracy is a human weakness and will be found in any situations where you find human beings.

What one calls themselves (Brahmins or whatever else) and what they wear has nothing to do with display of such behaviour.


Welcome to the forum

 

[renuka]

en
I have all ways thinking are we Brahmins hypocrate. This thinking has arisen on account of some observation.
the first observation:
1) i overheard a Brahmin old senior citizen who was standing in line in vadaplani temple on Kartigai deepam day asking other to show some patience and not to jump line. He was telling to others that before God every one is equal. But when spoted some friend, a police officer who was given vip entry he lost no moment to wave hands to greet and with a smile joined him jumping the que.

incident no.2) Another gentlemen who porbably lived long in western countries, was telling every one that in west there is absolute silence in temple and church like in India where people pray at top of their voice. But whe Kalpura arathi was shown he forgot his western praise and shouted at his highest voice Oh Muruga.

incident 3) another gentleman to wanted enter in the middle of the que and when he was ousted out he left the que he left the que with philosphical remark, theryoonilum irupar and thrumbilum irupar, which means God is present everwhere


one thing in common with all these persons: THEY WERE WEARING TRADITIONAL BRAHMIN PANCHA KACHAM AND POONUL WAS OBVLIOUSLY VISIBILE since they did not wear pny top garments.hy

Are we hypocrate.

sathyanarayanan

Dear Sir,

Do not be too hard on yourself and your community.

What you wrote is seen in every caste.

Most of us Indians suffer from Holier than Thou Syndrome.

So just sit back and enjoy the fun.

After all if hypocrites were not there..life would be no fun.

Your post really made me laugh! Have fun.

 

[renuka]

Answers in blue.

en
I have all ways thinking are we Brahmins hypocrate. This thinking has arisen on account of some observation.
the first observation:
1) i overheard a Brahmin old senior citizen who was standing in line in vadaplani temple on Kartigai deepam day asking other to show some patience and not to jump line. He was telling to others that before God every one is equal. But when spoted some friend, a police officer who was given vip entry he lost no moment to wave hands to greet and with a smile joined him jumping the que.

Surely he would jump queue ..he knows a Police officer and he is a VIP to get VIP pass..so moral of the story is either become famous or infamous and you would not have to queue.



incident no.2) Another gentlemen who porbably lived long in western countries, was telling every one that in west there is absolute silence in temple and church like in India where people pray at top of their voice. But whe Kalpura arathi was shown he forgot his western praise and shouted at his highest voice Oh Muruga.

Thats bhakti yaar..bhakti suddenly comes to people when they least expect it..hence he screamed Oh Muruga!

incident 3) another gentleman to wanted enter in the middle of the que and when he was ousted out he left the que he left the que with philosphical remark, theryoonilum irupar and thrumbilum irupar, which means God is present everwhere

LOL! May be that was God Himself..testing the devotees to see who can really see Him and let Him jump queue...too bad no one let Him jump queue.


one thing in common with all these persons: THEY WERE WEARING TRADITIONAL BRAHMIN PANCHA KACHAM AND POONUL WAS OBVLIOUSLY VISIBILE since they did not wear pny top garments.hy


Hey you go to temple with a CT scan and check out such detail? What else did you see?


Are we hypocrate.

You cant be..you are Sathyanarayan!


BTW all these stories seemed to have happened in a Shaivite/Muruga temple..so that means Iyers caused all these..so does that mean only Iyers are hypocrites? what about Iyengars??LOL

sathyanarayanan

 

[sravna]

Hypocrisy shows that at least on the surface you do not want to flout the rules of the game and hence project yourself as good or desirable. On any day it is better than blatantly baring yourself because I think that would be disaster in many cases.

 

[vgane]

It is easy to advice others but difficult to follow them...No wonder we extol the virtues of "practice what you preach" and "walking the talk"

 

[Raji Ram]

Hypocrisy is caste free! The world is full of hypocrites! eep:

Please visit other places of worship to find hypocrites from other religions too! :spy:

 

[Nara]

This is really interesting, the OP puts a mirror against the Brahmin face and all the responses, ironically, prove the point. How would this excuse -- everybody is like that -- square with the claims that Brahmins are honest, truthful, intelligent, god-fearing? This mirror has a peculiar effect, now they all want to say Brahmins are no different from all other castes, LOL!!!

 

[Raji Ram]

Correction please Prof. Sir! No one claims that ALL brahmins

are honest, truthful, intelligent, god-fearing

We have atheists in our own forum, right? I don't wish to comment about other categories!

 

[C RAVI]

This is really interesting, the OP puts a mirror against the Brahmin face and all the responses, ironically, prove the point. How would this excuse -- everybody is like that -- square with the claims that Brahmins are honest, truthful, intelligent, god-fearing? This mirror has a peculiar effect, now they all want to say Brahmins are no different from all other castes, LOL!!!

Shri Nara,

Yeah, the OP puts a mirror against the "Caste - Brahmin", trying to reflect "n" of Brahmins with different characteristics, practices etc. under one category - "Hypocrites", citing few examples. The OP is attempting to make a generalization.

Probably many from outside Brahmin community and within Brahmin community have their own wrong conclusion that, "All Brahmins" are Superior Humans, devoid of any flaws that are exclusive to Human Species, in contrast to other humans in other caste and creed.

I say, all humans on this Planet demonstrate some or other form of Hypocrisy under different circumstances. With such basic human flaws, no human as Theists devalue their religion, custom, spirituality and their relevant practices. Brahmins are no different in these lines.

 

[sangom]

en
I have all ways thinking are we Brahmins hypocrate. This thinking has arisen on account of some observation.
the first observation:
1) i overheard a Brahmin old senior citizen who was standing in line in vadaplani temple on Kartigai deepam day asking other to show some patience and not to jump line. He was telling to others that before God every one is equal. But when spoted some friend, a police officer who was given vip entry he lost no moment to wave hands to greet and with a smile joined him jumping the que.

incident no.2) Another gentlemen who porbably lived long in western countries, was telling every one that in west there is absolute silence in temple and church like in India where people pray at top of their voice. But whe Kalpura arathi was shown he forgot his western praise and shouted at his highest voice Oh Muruga.

incident 3) another gentleman to wanted enter in the middle of the que and when he was ousted out he left the que he left the que with philosphical remark, theryoonilum irupar and thrumbilum irupar, which means God is present everwhere


one thing in common with all these persons: THEY WERE WEARING TRADITIONAL BRAHMIN PANCHA KACHAM AND POONUL WAS OBVLIOUSLY VISIBILE since they did not wear pny top garments.hy

Are we hypocrate.

sathyanarayanan

Shri Sathyanarayanan,

Two points from the foregoing posts are relevant to your doubt, in my view.

1. In usual times (i.e., when such a 'hypocrisy' accusation is raised against brahmins) the mandatory response is that hypocrisy is a universal human weakness and we brahmins are just part of the humanity — and nothing special about us, brahmins.

You seem to be a new comer. If you go through the archives, you will find the very same members (who try to hide now under 'we are but part of humanity' claiming many things unique, special, noble, virtuous and so on & so forth, about brahmins; they go even to the extent of saying that unadulterated brahmin genes are something very special and much more refined than the genes of the rest (of the people) !

2. Post # 8 seems to be the only one which cries out that the Emperor has no clothes.

The observations/ incidents given by you above must be seen in historical perspective. (I don't know your age, but I am 73 and so I have a much longer period about which to recall.) Brahmins and only selected few higher non-brahmin caste people alone could enter, or even walk on the roads adjoining certain temples, about a century ago. Today, the situation is different and when a brahmin goes to a temple, he/she has to stand in long queue along with all kinds of people. So, when he/she gets a chance to jump the queue, he/she jumps and grabs the chance and jumps the queue.

Many of us brahmins harbour a wrong notion about god. Simply put, the idol in the temple can be likened to a radi-active source, kind of, emitting radiation which will increase the bhakta-status of the devotee. This radiation works, according to most tabra imagination, in the same way as a radio-active needle; its result increase in direct proportion to the nearness to the idol, time spent in that near position (to the idol), the loudness with which one chants his prayers, mantras, etc., and also the get-up or dress and how far it conforms to that of a perceived model, which is usually a legendary 'bhakta', etc. Our people will spare no effort to "maximize" the yield from their temple-going investment.

Last but not least, don't you think your own observations and the OP are also based on the feeling that somebody or the other has grabbed a better chance, and benefitted more thereby, than you yourself had?

 

[tbs]

hi
yes ...we are 100% hypocrats...may be more than 100%....but we dont have accept the reality....we are genetically

hereditary HYPOCRATS.....NO DOUBT IN IT....BELEIVE IT OR NOT....ITS THE TRUTH...this including me too....

 

[Nara]

Correction please Prof. Sir! No one claims that ALL brahmins

Well Mrs. RR, obviously you have not been following some of the flame threads. Here is one beauty from about six weeks ago explaining why a minuscule brahmin caste came to be opposed by just about everyone else.

The reason why the miniscule brahmin caste became the target of attack has been analysed here again and again. They were hardworking and yet non violent. They were very poor and yet were benevolent. They were disciplined and yet not in a military way with any offensive intent. They were recognized as such and were respected and were taken care of by the kings. This became an eyesore for those middle castes who were rich but were also rapacious, were united in their biradari with offensive intentions and so were always looked at with suspicion, were too much given to every indulgence whether it is drink, gambling, eating or woman. This made them green with envy. The nonviolent nature of the brahmins was a facilitating factor. So they were singled out for being the most visible symbol of every thing that is desirable in this world. And attacked. And then politics took over and everything is okay in politics.​

Then there is sravna, who often expresses the opinion that Brahmins by birth are intelligent, soft natured, satvic, etc. I have never seen any of you expressing any disagreement to these like what is now being expressed to this OP.

Don't you see the irony, by generalizing OP's criticism these claims of superiority that are routinely expressed in various forms and never challenged by anyone except a less than a handful of us who get castigated as BB, hatemongers, etc. are undermined, or the charge of hypocrisy is strengthened.

We have atheists in our own forum, right? I don't wish to comment about other categories!

I don't get the relevance ....

 

[biswa]

I agree with Mr. Sangom's point. The only way to get past all the caste based finger pointing is to acknowledge that any community of people is as honest, corrupt, hardworking, lethargic, kind, rude, intelligent, stupid, good-looking or scary as any other community of people. If we point at others, it gives the opportunity for others to point back at us.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

The OP puts a mirror alright but who is getting exposed is there for all to see. It is quite easy for anyone to come here, make a couple of observations and extrapolate things out of personal experiences and account of things. Because in this case, the observations are about Brahmins and more importantly against Brahmins, they predictably excite the BB coterie, who, as is their wont, use this opportunity to pounce on a few respondents. What is the charge? The respondents are charged with hypocrisy because it is said that the respondents have claimed uniqueness of Brahmins before but are now "generalizing". But then the BB coterie can be charged with hypocrisy too for they reject the uniqueness claims while simultaneously try and explain away the charge of OP. Is jumping the queue unique to Brahmins?

Imagine if somebody else comes here and wonders if NBs are hypocrites. He will be pillored and accused as a vile casteist. But anything goes against Brahmins in this forum. It is a shame.

 

[renuka]

Imagine if somebody else comes here and wonders if NBs are hypocrites. He will be pillored and accused as a vile casteist. But anything goes against Brahmins in this forum. It is a shame.

Dear Sir,

Not really..I am a Non Brahmin..if someone tells me that NB are hypocrites ..I will say Yes I also agree.

Cos you know why?

I have seen so called higher caste NB treat Dalits badly but complain that Brahmins treats Non Brahmins badly!LOL

Once I told off a so called high caste NB that why complain of a Brahmin when you yourself treat a Dalit badly?

So you see..one should not have caste sentiment etc..one needs to see the truth.

There is nothing wrong admitting to our flaws etc..after all humans come with some amount of imperfection.

 

[renuka]

TB or Not TB??


I get a weird feeling that this thread is going to be the hottest thread for this week and then after nice Dishum Dishum the OP might not even respond and for all you know the OP might not even be a Brahmin! LOL

Sathyanarayan forgive me if I am wrong cos I have seen threads before where someone comes and starts some controversial Brahmin thread and runs off and further more Brahmins as in TBs seldom find fault with themselves.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Dear Sir,

Not really..I am a Non Brahmin..if someone tells me that NB are hypocrites ..I will say Yes I also agree.

Cos you know why?

I have seen so called higher caste NB treat Dalits badly but complain that Brahmins treats Non Brahmins badly!LOL

Once I told off a so called high caste NB that why complain of a Brahmin when you yourself treat a Dalit badly?

So you see..one should not have caste sentiment etc..one needs to see the truth.

There is nothing wrong admitting to our flaws etc..after all all humans come with some amount of imperfection.

Dear Doc,

The issue is not about caste sentiment. The issue is about generalizing. A big issue is being made about generalizing. I am pointing out that every time when a BB writes here Brahmins this or brahmins that, that is what he or she is exactly doing - generalizing. So who is the hypocrite?

 

[Nara]

.... What is the charge? The respondents are charged with hypocrisy because it is said that the respondents have claimed uniqueness of Brahmins before but are now "generalizing". But then the BB coterie can be charged with hypocrisy too for they reject the uniqueness claims while simultaneously try and explain away the charge of OP.

As a member of the group that the vile and bigoted Brahmin Supremacists see as BB, I challenge KB and his cohort supremacists, go ahead, take a position, are you like every other caste group tainted with common hypocrisy, or are you special, hardworking non-violent, poor, benevolent, disciplined, etc., etc.?

The likes of KB mired in their caste supremacy will never face the challenge and come out clean. If you are not a hypocrite then stand up and answer the questions raised by the OP. If not, accept the charge of the OP that you are a hypocrite. Don't try to change the subject. The question is about Brahmin hypocrisy, answer that charge. Changing the subject only reveals you have no answer.

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... The issue is not about caste sentiment. The issue is about generalizing. A big issue is being made about generalizing. ..........

Very true! How can we generalize with a few stray incidents?

Anyway, I find that brahmin practices are made fun of by many born brahmins themselves!

This includes me! I am against a few orthodox practices in our villages.

 

[renuka]

Dear Doc,

The issue is not about caste sentiment. The issue is about generalizing. A big issue is being made about generalizing. I am pointing out that every time when a BB writes here Brahmins this or brahmins that, that is what he or she is exactly doing - generalizing. So who is the hypocrite?

Dear Sir,

You see the OP might be looking for perfection..that is he expects every Brahmin to be perfect and not have even one flaw with him.

He simply could not ignore that a Brahmin can also have flaws and decided to generalize what he saw.


BTW doesn't everyone else in Forum also expects perfection from Brahmins?

There is thread in Forum complaining about Brahmins eating Non Veg..there is thread that is complaining about Kamal Hassan.

There is also a thread that Brahmins do not know Sanskrit etc..there are also threads where Brahmin girls marrying NB boys..

Aren't these threads too generalizing?

So are you going to call even those thread starters Hypocrites too??

No isn't it?

Cos you see in those threads one can join and say 'Ya Ya its true..these days Brahmins are eating non veg all becos of western influence....that Kamal Hassan makes fun of Brahmins ..he is an Etthapan..traitor etc....those days everyone knew Sanskrit...now people dont know anything..blah blah blah"

So the fact remains that some threads just reinforce the Holier Than Thou Attitude and as long the thread goes that way..some might be happy..when there is no chance to feel good we complain about the thread.

You see that is human nature..we always need to feel good about ourselves and to find fault with others..so just join the fun with gay abandon...worry not!LOL

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... I get a weird feeling that this thread is going to be the hottest thread for this week and then after nice Dishum Dishum the OP might not even respond and for all you know the OP might not even be a Brahmin! .........

Dear Renu,

I think the OP knows the easiest way to get five stars for this thread!

I am waiting for the entry of the member who bestows stars, soon after his first post!

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Nara,

My view is that hypocrisy is not bad. Brahmins are given certain values which they are supposed to follow. But the values are so difficult to follow especially these times that they remain as just a goal to reach for almost every brahmin. But if you cannot raise your level to such ideals does that mean you totally give up and go the other way? I think it is ok if you cannot be perfect, at least let us move in that direction. But to reconcile to one's flaws and wanting to display them openly I think is not at all advisable. I prefer that there be some moral fear in you to not give room for that open admittance or display because if that fear goes out, you are sooner or later bound to go out of control.

So I think hypocrisy is not that bad as the alternative is worse than that.

 

[renuka]

I prefer that there be some moral fear in you to not give room for that open admittance or display because if that fear goes out, you are sooner or later bound to go out of control.
So I think hypocrisy is not that bad as the alternative is worse than that.

.

Dear Sravna,

That is denial..its is not good to be in a state of denial...after a while denial leads to delusion.

After all even religion teaches us to realize and admit our mistakes and work on it.

That is Sathyam Vada..(being truthful to one's own self) and only then Dharmam Chara follows.

Hypocrisy is NOT Sathyam.

One can choose to be silent if he does not want others to know his flaws but never should he justify hypocrisy.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

You see the OP might be looking for perfection..that is he expects every Brahmin to be perfect and not have even one flaw with him.
He simply could not ignore that a Brahmin can also have flaws and decided to generalize what he saw.

BTW doesn't everyone else in Forum also expects perfection from Brahmins?
There is thread in Forum complaining about Brahmins eating Non Veg..there is thread that is complaining about Kamal Hassan.
There is also a thread that Brahmins do not know Sanskrit etc..there are also threads where Brahmin girls marrying NB boys..
Aren't these threads too generalizing?
So are you going to call even those thread starters Hypocrites too??
.....

You see that is human nature..we always need to feel good about ourselves and to find fault with others..so just join the fun with gay abandon...worry not!LOL

Dear Doc,

I am afraid you are not getting the point. What was the motive behind OP is not known. But what can be gleaned from the responses is the motives of the repugnant BBs. They accuse Brahmins of generalizing positive traits but they have no problem in heaping abuses against the brahmins. That is the hypocrisy, I am talking about. This hatemongering and abusive attitude is not human nature. It is a special feature of these BBs here.