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I am always disappointed with threads like this as generally it comes down to bashing India, and Indians in general.
This site is full of melancholy, disenchanted, disgruntled, and even hopeless people.
What we fail to understand is that these web-spinners are catching the knowledge hungry, information gatherer of the world.
India can never be great UNLESS Indins can appreciate and praise India.

Every event has a positive and negative spin, look at the parties in USA, they can spin it any which way you want. When it comes to praising INDIA Indians are shy, and somehow cloche themselves in "honesty" and condemn India.
I was not born yesterday I know India has its fault, but so does everyone among us.

Janani janmabhoomishcha swargadapi gariyasi’’, well illustrates this sentiment. Janani (mother) and janmabhoomi (motherland) are more exalted than even swarg (heaven).

Nobody is going to sing your praise unless you learn to do it first.
 
Dear Shri Sangom,

I am of the view that the military should be for defence only given the present day context. In the olden days if military was used for defence as well as for expansion of one's kingdom, it was admissible because the establishment of a new king was more like changing of a government. However, if in today's scenario a country exercises its influence upon another country, there may be a number of vested interests and it is very unlikely that the latter gets a fair deal. It is thus a matter of independence being usurped.

But exactly that is what military is being used for by countries such as America, to show off its power and influence the state of affairs of the world. Where is the greatness here when the intentions are mainly malafide and serving the self interests of the country. But on the other hand, if military is used for defence, then I accept your point that it is a sine qua non of a great country.
 
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1) Defense strength is must to protect the boundaries of Mother India and her inhabitants BUT not to exploit the internal weakness of other countries. I strongly believe that, certainly India would no indulge is such ruthless divide and rule strategy if happen to be a Super Power Nation.

2) Law and order within the country should be strict and disciplined. Each and every common man should have the trust and the confidence that law and police force would not be biased, what may be the religion, caste and status of the public. Public should be protected well by the police and police should be respected by the public.


3) The state and central administration/governance should be for the welfare of the nation and its citizens. The policies and strategies should be black and white without the scope for middle men looting the funds.

4) Politics should get disciplined. Political goondaism and rowdism should cease to exist. Cheap and nasty politics should be NO NO.


5) Foreign Direct Investments and other import and export policies should mind the commercial/economic growth of the county without ruining the potential business scope of the Indian operators.


6) Caste based reservations in all the aspects should be eliminated once for all.


7) No political parties should be allowed to come to existence, representing a specific community. A political party should gain recognition only in terms of its agenda and administration concepts, that would be for the welfare of the public in general.


8) The Government should persistently and honestly work towards eliminating slums and the miserable living of the people below the poverty line. Poverty should never be the source of Political strength of the Government.


9) The standard of School Syllabus should be the same for all Government and Private Schools

10) Spiritual and cultural aspects of Mother India should well be protected and strengthened with out any bias, prejudice and corruption.



All the above and many more crucial factors need to be streamlined and achieved.

Once the Governance/Administration gets right and work towards the betterment of the public, Common Men would sure be disciplined and responsible as best as possible.


With this much of Indian population, we can for sure expect many Great Scientists, many Scholars, many Sports Champions, Many great Artists, many great Patriots, many great Administrators/Politicians etc..etc, given the equal opportunities and recognition.


First of all, Indian/Indians should be proud of their history, heritage, culture, tradition, spirituality and believe in the strength in Unity, strength in compassion and strength in orderliness, what may be the diversities.


I strongly believe that, with in a decade, India would be in all its glory and would be on top of the developed nations.



"Hum honge Kaamyaab Ek Din. Mann me hai vishwaas..Poora hai vishwaas, Hum honge Kaamyaab Ek Din."



 
I am always disappointed with threads like this as generally it comes down to bashing India, and Indians in general.
This site is full of melancholy, disenchanted, disgruntled, and even hopeless people.
What we fail to understand is that these web-spinners are catching the knowledge hungry, information gatherer of the world.
India can never be great UNLESS Indins can appreciate and praise India.......

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Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

I failed to see much of 'india bashing' in this thread. It is one thing to talk about reality and it is one more thing to talk about wishful thinking. Indians do require to pull up their socks. Seriously, there is going to be a violent 'up rising'. I did not contemplate the result. It can turn either way. This corruption can not go on like this. There is going to be breaking point. Most uprisings take place when people had had enough. You may say I am writing this in the comfort of my chair, sitting 1000s of kilometers away.. I don't think so.... what happens if such an uprising breakout when I am visiting India with my family? It is quite possible.

There is nothing wrong in analysing the situation in the country. In any case, only the forces which are united and trained would succeed. As Sri. Sangom said, Naxals are dominating India like '/ ' to the full length of the country. They may take over if a leader comes along with an interest to improve the nation. It is not impossible. It did happen in Kerala in the late 1960s. It can happen again.

Just by saying these things one need not considered 'India bashers', please. Thanks.

Cheers!
 
As Shri.Raghy says we need to identify our weaknesses. That doesn't amount to bashing. But at the same time we need to identify our strengths too. At present we are doing neither. We are content to be powered by the western engine. Thus the direction we take is decided by the west.

IMO, we need to come out of the shackles of the western way of thinking and be original. Japan for a while was original and innovative and we saw the heights it rose to after the devastation in the world war. It is not going to be easy but that discipline is needed to earn real recognition
 
As Shri.Raghy says we need to identify our weaknesses. That doesn't amount to bashing. But at the same time we need to identify our strengths too. At present we are doing neither. We are content to be powered by the western engine. Thus the direction we take is decided by the west.

IMO, we need to come out of the shackles of the western way of thinking and be original. Japan for a while was original and innovative and we saw the heights it rose to after the devastation in the world war. It is not going to be easy but that discipline is needed to earn real recognition


Dear Sravna,

Oriental way of thinking(far east) is not very original..they tend to be stereotype and follow the master syndrome.

They tend to improvise on anything pre existing and not really much of fore runners in most fields.

It is just that they are smart to increase prosperity of their nation.

On a personal basis I prefer to see the world as a Global unit and not really divide it into east or west.

I don't feel the east if better than the west or the west is better than the east.
Both are important for our present day existence.

To a certain extent we have to thank the west for a fairly good legal system which has come a long way.

I would dread to think if the legal system was some other eastern system!LOL
 
Dear Renuka,

Sorry to say this. Almost all of the knowledge that emanated or emanates from the West, including Science is half-baked knowledge. They are always content with explaining what they observe and don't tax their mind much beyond.

This is my opinion and I am sure a number of members might disagree.
 
Dear Renuka,

Sorry to say this. Almost all of the knowledge that emanated or emanates from the West, including Science is half-baked knowledge. They are always content with explaining what they observe and don't tax their mind much beyond.

This is my opinion and I am sure a number of members might disagree.

Dear Sravna,

I would not want to agree to your statement..cos knowledge is knowledge and it comes from God.
East or West..intellectuals have contributed to the benefit of the world.

I feel we should have a holistic view on knowledge and not just reject it as half baked just becos it comes from the west.

We need to understand that both Gross(Sthoola) and Subtle(Sukshma) make up the world we stay in.

If we are dealing with gross matters like science which explains about the gross world..then it has to be evidence based..so scientists are not wrong to be evidence based.

If we are dealing with subtle matters like spirituality then we have to be experience(Bhava) based.
 
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As Shri.Raghy says we need to identify our weaknesses. That doesn't amount to bashing. But at the same time we need to identify our strengths too. At present we are doing neither. We are content to be powered by the western engine. Thus the direction we take is decided by the west.

IMO, we need to come out of the shackles of the western way of thinking and be original. Japan for a while was original and innovative and we saw the heights it rose to after the devastation in the world war. It is not going to be easy but that discipline is needed to earn real recognition

Sir,
If you had a child and everyday you keep criticizing for every little things, like "you do not know how to eat", or "you are ugly", or "you will go up to be nothing", or "you are an idiot", That person will fulfill all your desire.
If a simple achievements are not recognized and appreciated, they will never respect you. That is the simple truth.
That may be the style of child rearing that is worst, I am sure there are number of criminal in jail who were raised like that.

Coming to praising the achievement of India, I have only been in this site for last 2 years, In that time I have hardly seen any praise for present day India and Indians.
People glorify the non-existing "India" of past, and the perceived customs of ancient days, but only to lament of present days.
So it seems all glory is behind us and only misery ahead of us.
India has come a long way in 65 years. The average Indian youth will say that they are better off than their grandfathers in material terms and as far as standing in the world.
The younger generation has a swagger about them, and they understand that they are no less compared to others in the world.
I see that self confidence in them. Unfortunately they do not participate in this site.

[video=youtube;UiGjxxytLy8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UiGjxxytLy8[/video]

We are ready to stroke the ego of our boss, by telling even white little lies, but when it comes to the reputation of mother India, suddenly we become very honest, and shred her reputation to bitts, in the name of honesty.
Oh please give me a break!!!!
 
Dear Sravna,

I would not want to agree to your statement..cos knowledge is knowledge and it comes from God.
East or West..intellectuals have contributed to the benefit of the world.

I feel we should have a holistic view on knowledge and not just reject it as half baked just becos it comes from the west.

We need to understand that both Gross(Sthoola) and Subtle(Sukshma) make up the world we stay in.

If we are dealing with gross matters like science which explains about the gross world..then it has to be evidence based..so scientists are not wrong to be evidence based.

If we are dealing with subtle matters like spirituality then we have to be experience(Bhava) based.

Dear Renuka,

You and many others like you are graceful enough to accept that. Really I do not have a problem with it. But is the other side reciprocating? They summarily dismiss all spiritual knowledge as superstition and delusional thinking? Sometimes retaliation helps.
 
Sir,
If you had a child and everyday you keep criticizing for every little things, like "you do not know how to eat", or "you are ugly", or "you will go up to be nothing", or "you are an idiot", That person will fulfill all your desire.
If a simple achievements are not recognized and appreciated, they will never respect you. That is the simple truth.
That may be the style of child rearing that is worst, I am sure there are number of criminal in jail who were raised like that.

Coming to praising the achievement of India, I have only been in this site for last 2 years, In that time I have hardly seen any praise for present day India and Indians.
People glorify the non-existing "India" of past, and the perceived customs of ancient days, but only to lament of present days.
So it seems all glory is behind us and only misery ahead of us.
India has come a long way in 65 years. The average Indian youth will say that they are better off than their grandfathers in material terms and as far as standing in the world.
The younger generation has a swagger about them, and they understand that they are no less compared to others in the world.
I see that self confidence in them. Unfortunately they do not participate in this site.

[video=youtube;UiGjxxytLy8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=UiGjxxytLy8[/video]

We are ready to stroke the ego of our boss, by telling even white little lies, but when it comes to the reputation of mother India, suddenly we become very honest, and shred her reputation to bitts, in the name of honesty.
Oh please give me a break!!!!

Dear Shri.Prasad,

The reason the lament is there because there is genuine concern. Everyone who points out what's wrong with India is simply doing it with that concern. There is an enormous potential that this country possesses and we would want to be sure that it is indeed put to use for the good of the country. Worse still we would not want it to be used in the wrong way. The model of ancient India is an exemplary one and those who realize that, want the present generation to look back in time to know what is it that gives true happiness and how not be deluded by attractive appearances.
 
Sir,
Like Mr. Sangom said in another thread we will agree to disagree.

When there is a constructive criticism from a friend, it is accepted graciously. But it is expected that the same friend would also provide a way forward. If you keep driving with looking at the rear view mirror only, there is bound to be an accident.

Lament has never solved any problem.
If Newton was lamenting the fall of apple, and lamenting it hitting on his head and cursing the apple tree, we would not have found the law of Gravitation.

Find the reason for failure and fix the problem, dont just cry in some internet site.
 
Dear Renuka,

You and many others like you are graceful enough to accept that. Really I do not have a problem with it. But is the other side reciprocating? They summarily dismiss all spiritual knowledge as superstition and delusional thinking? Sometimes retaliation helps.


Dear Sravna,

Again I would like to differ here cos I don't feel the west dismisses spiritual knowledge as superstition or delusional thinking..in fact of late its we Indians who take pride in claiming to be Atheists.

Take a trip down to any ashram and watch the westerners recite Vedas and you will be dumbstruck on their depth of knowledge.

One thing I admire about westerners is they are serious about what they show interest in.

When they follow Sanathana Dharma they take the effort to learn Sanskrit and understand what they are dealing with.

They are dedicated in whatever they do be it science or religion.
 
Lament has never solved any problem.
If Newton was lamenting the fall of apple, and lamenting it hitting on his head and cursing the apple tree, we would not have found the law of Gravitation.

Find the reason for failure and fix the problem, dont just cry in some internet site.

Dear Friend,

Pointing out the negatives is not crying. It is the way forward to a solution than misleading by unjustified praise. I think there is nothing wrong in calling spade a spade.

Discovering the law of gravitation is indeed laudable but if humans had first tried to discover themselves, people would have cared less about about why apple hit their head than about why greed or envy hit people.

I think we are trying to plunge into areas before we are mature enough to handle them. Let's work on the maturity first and see where it takes us. I am sure it would be safer than where we are heading now.
 
Dear Friend,

Pointing out the negatives is not crying. It is the way forward to a solution than misleading by unjustified praise. I think there is nothing wrong in calling spade a spade.

Discovering the law of gravitation is indeed laudable but if humans had first tried to discover themselves, people would have cared less about about why apple hit their head than about why greed or envy hit people.

I think we are trying to plunge into areas before we are mature enough to handle them. Let's work on the maturity first and see where it takes us. I am sure it would be safer than where we are heading now.

I have seen plenty of crying, but not one iota of praise for Todays India. The only praise has been for some fantasized arbitrarily fixed India of the past. India only came to existence 65 years ago, but we conveniently fantasize that it is centuries old. Sanatan Dharma is centuries old, but India is a nascent country. When you want to call spade a spade, let us be honest, and not call a showel a spade.
 
I think that as individual citizens of India, the only weapon which ordinary people like most of the members here, including myself, have is the "vote". I, for one, had great hopes, way back in December, 1980 when the BJP's inaugural meeting and a gigantic rally were there in Dadar, Shivaji Park and since I then happened to be residing nearby as a paying guest, I attended the meet. Here is a new Party which will rewrite the fortunes of our Motherland, I thought, going by the performance of the Jansanghis during the emergency of IG and the Janata Party government (1977-79). But, having known how the Janata Party Government imploded, I cast the horoscope for the moment of formation of the BJP and found, to my great disappointment, that its best period or Dasa ran only for the initial 16 or so years and that its fate thereafter would be of a limping group. Strangely, the Bajpai ministry ruled for just 13 days during 1996! Though the Party's fortunate period had got over, it could rule for a period of 3 years approx. though there were 3 United Front Governments, 1998 forced General elections and then in 1999 the rickety coalition came to power and ruled for a full 5-year term. I feel these were more due to the mess that is politics in India, rather than due to BJP's inherent good luck/efficiency.

Today the situation has become further hopeless. Even Independent Candidates with the minimum level of scruples is difficult to find. So, any right-thinking Indian living in India is at his wit's end as to what he/she can/should do so as to improve the fate of India.

Even when one's own child is sick, it is possible that the parents fervently hope, wish and pray for its quick recovery and regaining of normalcy, but even this cannot continue - on the pretext of not creating a negative image - indefinitely. If the disease does not show any sign of abatement and continues haunting the child in every which way, sensible parents will rush the child to a hospital and seek the best medical advice which they can afford. Unfortunately, a country's ills or ailment cannot be treated and cured this way.

There are some cases like those of children with autism, mongolism, etc., where the parents will have to continue exuding optimism all through and even outsiders will subscribe to the same. For example, my niece's son was born with hydrocephalia and a stent was put on in the brain after just 15 days of birth. The child is now 10 years and is almost immobile, cannot talk, fix his gaze or even react. But the parents continue to say that he will be admitted to regular school from the next school year. We the onlookers also endorse this though both sides are well aware that it will need a miracle for this to fructify and the parents are inwardly very worried as to the future of the child.

I tend to feel that here we have here, a somewhat similar situation. People living abroad, like the western countries, with all the comforts of a developed, law-abiding society where corruption does not affect their day-to-day lives, can very well opt for not wanting to see the real conditions in India and chide/lament over our expressing our anguish at the fate of our country. By just reciting "jananee janmabhoomisca swargaadapi gareeyasi" one cannot set right any of the ills plaguing this country now; nor can we, as individuals, just operate a switch and do this. That is why many people who have genuine concern for the country and its suffering masses, express their pessimism about this country's future; may be it is "kaiyaal aakaatavanin azhukai", I don't know. Can someone point out how individuals can set right this country's ills?

 
Sangom sir,
I get the gist of your post.
"You NRI's shut up, we Indians in India know what is best for us. Leave us our misery, and mind your own business."

Sir,
We do our best to improve the condition back home.
We participate by investing, volunteering, donating money and time to causes in India.
We are the salesman, and ambassador for India and everything Indian in our land of adoption.

India's economy: India's surprising economic miracle | The Economist

Despite the headlines, India is doing rather well. Its economy is expected to expand by 8.5% this year. Some economists think India will grow faster than any other large country over the next 25 years. Rapid growth in a country of 1.2 billion people is exciting, to put it mildly.
The Indian government recognises the need to tackle the infrastructure crisis, and is getting better at persuading private firms to stump up the capital. But the process is slow and infected with corruption. It is hard to measure these things, but many observers think China has done a better job than India of curbing corruption, with its usual brutal methods, such as shooting people.


Given the choice between doing business in China or India, most foreign investors would probably pick China. The market is bigger, the government easier to deal with, and if your supply chain for manufactured goods does not pass through China your shareholders will demand to know why. But as the global economy becomes more knowledge-intensive, India's advantage will grow.

Business in India: A bumpier but freer road | The Economist
AN INDIAN boss gestures from the lofty window of his steel-and-glass office. Ten years ago, says Pramod Bhasin, “you couldn't even get a cup of coffee around here.” Now the area bristles with office blocks. Gurgaon, near Delhi, has swiftly become a global hub for outsourcing.

Unfortunately these people do not post in this site, and some of us do not read the reality.
If we keep seeing what is in front of nose, then the only way to see the expanding and booming India is to get out and look afar. When you are lost in the forrest, the only way to see a way out is climb a highpoint to get a better perspective.
 
The real challenge is not corruption. the root cause is craving desires to acquire money. corruption is under the carpet of law. moral and ethical approach is lost. present technology can give us comforts, not inner peace. people must be educated to be moral/ethical besides follow spiritual path to experience eternal pleasure. mere legal abidance will not solve the problem of corruption.
 
The sadhu and the scorpion:

One day a sadhu went to the river to bathe. There he noticed a scorpion struggling in the water. Scorpions cannot swim and the sadhu knew that if he did not save the scorpion, it would drown...

Therefore, carefully picking up the scorpion, the monk rescued it from drowning and was just about to set it down gently on land when the scorpion stung his finger. In pain, the sadhu instinctively flung his hand and the scorpion went flying, back into the river. As soon as the sadhu regained his composure from the sting, he again lifted the scorpion out of the water. Again, before he could set the scorpion safely on land, the creature stung him. This drama went on for several minutes as the sadhu continued to try to save the life of the drowning scorpion and the scorpion continued to sting his saviour's hand before reaching the freedom of the riverbank.

A hunter watched as the saint carefully and gingerly lifted the creature out of the water, only to fling it back in as he convulsed in pain from each fresh sting. Finally, the hunter said to the sadhu, "Forgive me for my frankness, but it is clear that the scorpion is simply going to continue to sting you each and every time you try to carry it to safety. Why don't you give up and just let it drown?"

The sadhu replied: "My dear child, the scorpion is not stinging me out of malice or evil intent. Just as it is the water's nature to make me wet, so it is the scorpion's nature to sting. He doesn't realise that I am carrying him to safety. That is a level of conscious comprehension greater than what his brain can achieve. But, just as it is the scorpion's nature to sting, so it is my nature to save. Just as he is not leaving his nature, why should I leave my nature? My dharma is to help any creature of any kind – human or animal. Why should I let a small scorpion rob me of the divine nature which I have cultivated through years of sadhana?"

It is my dharma to see the brighter side.
 
Dear Shri prasad,

This refers to your post #42.

When I wrote my post, I had the gut feeling that there will be a reaction of this kind from your side. But imho, you have not clearly understood our helplessness.

Just as a beggar sits in front of a temple, or on a busy roadside and cries out "ammaa thaaye, picchai poDu thaaye, reNTu naaLaa paTTiNi thaayE...etc.," the ordinary, law-abiding citizen has few methods to set right the various ills afflicting India. What I am saying is that under such situations it is not right (actually it is cruel) to say that people write all negative things and do not come up with tips to set right the situation. It is like finding fault with the beggar and chastising him for not earning by hard work. (I have seen some people take to this line of thinking, but barring mentally unsound people, lepers and a few other marginal groups, nobody will take to begging on his/her own because each person has some basic self-respect. (It is an entirely different matter and one of the very many ills needing correction, that begging is big business in most parts of India and the money from 'organized begging', if I may call it so, is shared by the police, politicians, temple authorities and the people who successfully run these begging empires!)
So, mine is not the command you think it to be ("You NRI's shut up, we Indians in India know what is best for us. Leave us our misery, and mind your own business."), but a plaintive cry for help, "O NRIs, we are at our wits' end as to how this country can improve or how we can improve this country; kindly do not blame us for crying out our misery and compel us to tell good things about this country - it will be only untruth if we are compelled to sat such things; but please do tell us how we can set things right."

I cannot put my views in a clearer way. Hope this clears things up.
 
The sadhu and the scorpion:

One day a sadhu went to the river to bathe. There he noticed a scorpion struggling in the water. Scorpions cannot swim and the sadhu knew that if he did not save the scorpion, it would drown...

Therefore, carefully picking up the scorpion, the monk rescued it from drowning and was just about to set it down gently on land when the scorpion stung his finger. In pain, the sadhu instinctively flung his hand and the scorpion went flying, back into the river. As soon as the sadhu regained his composure from the sting, he again lifted the scorpion out of the water. Again, before he could set the scorpion safely on land, the creature stung him. This drama went on for several minutes as the sadhu continued to try to save the life of the drowning scorpion and the scorpion continued to sting his saviour's hand before reaching the freedom of the riverbank.

A hunter watched as the saint carefully and gingerly lifted the creature out of the water, only to fling it back in as he convulsed in pain from each fresh sting. Finally, the hunter said to the sadhu, "Forgive me for my frankness, but it is clear that the scorpion is simply going to continue to sting you each and every time you try to carry it to safety. Why don't you give up and just let it drown?"

The sadhu replied: "My dear child, the scorpion is not stinging me out of malice or evil intent. Just as it is the water's nature to make me wet, so it is the scorpion's nature to sting. He doesn't realise that I am carrying him to safety. That is a level of conscious comprehension greater than what his brain can achieve. But, just as it is the scorpion's nature to sting, so it is my nature to save. Just as he is not leaving his nature, why should I leave my nature? My dharma is to help any creature of any kind – human or animal. Why should I let a small scorpion rob me of the divine nature which I have cultivated through years of sadhana?"

It is my dharma to see the brighter side.

Merely seeing the brighter side is a comfortable dharma but how about doing something to save the drowning scorpion? The sadhu was a fool not to use two twigs to pick out the scorpion.
 
I have seen plenty of crying, but not one iota of praise for Todays India. The only praise has been for some fantasized arbitrarily fixed India of the past. India only came to existence 65 years ago, but we conveniently fantasize that it is centuries old. Sanatan Dharma is centuries old, but India is a nascent country. When you want to call spade a spade, let us be honest, and not call a showel a spade.


Dear Shri.Prasad

Nobody here is calling a shovel a spade. It is the reality. You will know this reality if you sit to read a newspaper or switch on a news channel or listen to those who have been through the reality here. India's achievement in the last 65 years may make some proud but given both its potential and the glorious past it is like asking Einstein to be happy with the job of a computer programmer. Many lesser nations, smaller or bigger have done a lot more than India has.

So if the views of some have come as a lament to you, you are probably seeing the views in isolation and are misinterpreting what they are trying to say.
 
Sangom Sir,
Your post#45 is crystal clear, and I understand the frustration. I too feel it, and hope that there is a change. But the problems are there to a lesser or grater degree in all countries. India has to grow and meet its challenge not in vacuum but in the present state. Looking forward, not backward.
Like you said in your post#46 with improvised tools.
 
The real challenge is not corruption. the root cause is craving desires to acquire money. corruption is under the carpet of law. moral and ethical approach is lost. present technology can give us comforts, not inner peace. people must be educated to be moral/ethical besides follow spiritual path to experience eternal pleasure. mere legal abidance will not solve the problem of corruption.

Sir,
Your post is appreciated.
Thank you.
 
Merely seeing the brighter side is a comfortable dharma but how about doing something to save the drowning scorpion? The sadhu was a fool not to use two twigs to pick out the scorpion.

LOL! When I read this story before I thought the same thing..I was thinking that "This story should be modified cos this story will make people foolish enough to get repeatedly stung by a scorpion..why couldn't the Sadhu pick up the scorpion with some twigs and place it far away from the water so that the scorpion does not fall in over and over again and the Sadhu does no get bitten again and again"

There is another story where some woman was sitting near the fire place and her husband was sleeping with his head on her lap and at that time their child crawled and was about to fall into the fire.
The woman did not want to disturb the husband's sleep and she did not try to save the child and owing to her supreme act of Pati Vrata the fire turned cool like sandal paste for the child and did not burn the child.

I was thinking "Give me a break try telling this to fire department!"
 
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