Can we change the destiny of a baby by fixing the time of birth?

[N.R.Ranganathan]

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Dear Raji madam,

I have come across astrologers who cast the horoscope by looking at the palm and feeling all the mounts. !

 

[sangom]

Dear RR ji,

I can't remember which house my Saturn is but I remember that it says becos of position of Saturn in this house..such individuals will have a lean body.
Even for my father it is the same and me and my dad are thin.

So I think may be I should check my patients horoscope to find out if they have favorable Saturn to help keep them thin!LOL

This reminds me of one interesting experience. I was inspecting a nationalized bank branch in a remote rural area of Kerala. I found that the branch had performed very well in getting its loans and advances back. This was a bit difficult to believe because those were the days when, after bank nationalization, and the emergency with Indira Gandhi's edicts to banks to give loans to the poor and deprived sections of the society, most rural branches used to carry a high percentage of bad loans especially the small loans sector. I was observing whether there was any kind of cooking up the accounts and window-dressing going on in this particular branch.

Then one new loan applicant came to the Manager's cabin and produced some horoscopes. The manager took those and asked the customer to come the next day. When the manager & I were alone I asked him (a konkani-speaking brahmin!) as to why he was asking for horoscopes and whose horoscopes they were. He replied that in addition to whatever banking rules laid down to judge whether a loan is allowable or not, he looked also into the horoscopes of the borrower/s and the guarantors to see whether they would be honest enough to repay the loan. When the parties had no horoscope, the manager had a tie-up with one of his astrologer friends to whom the people could go and a "prasnam" in the traditional Kerala method and the results will be taken therefrom.

Despite my best efforts I could not find any malpractice in that branch but astrology did help that Manager

 

[Raghy]

Sri. Sangom Sir, Greetings.

I was not debating with you.

Yours may be a case of vrushabha Lagna in which case Sani will be the most beneficent planet out of the nine.

Hats off to you. You are so right!....

Cheers!

 

[Raghy]

Sri.tbs Sir, Greetings.

SANIYE MATHIRI KEDUPPAVANUM ILLE....so sani is more beneficial for

makara/ kumbha/ tula raasi....

That is so true!....

Cheers!

 

[Raji Ram]

.......... Despite my best efforts I could not find any malpractice in that branch but astrology did help that Manager

Dear Sir,

In Kerala, most of the astrologers are God fearing and will give the correct predictions. In SingArach Chennai, there are
a few astrologers who can 'cook up' a good horoscope whenever requested! :juggle:

Sometimes the parents manipulate the horoscope of their children. When Ram and I were searching for a suitable match

for our son, a lady sent a horoscope in which Ketu was in the fifth house. Our astrologer rejected it. After a few weeks the

same profile and horoscope came to us by e-mail, this time with Ketu in a different house! The parents had changed only

the Lagnam without changing the time of birth! By that time, I knew how to calculate the place of Lagnam, if time of birth

is given and hence could find the error easily! :spy:

 

[Raji Ram]

......... I have come across astrologers who cast the horoscope by looking at the palm and feeling all the mounts.

Dear Sir,

This is a news to me! How strange!

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Recently I noticed the horoscope of a boy in two different Matrimonial Sites having
different horoscopes. When contacted, the guardian of the boy mentioned that the
first one was written inadvertently.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[renuka]

Dear Raji madam,

I have come across astrologers who cast the horoscope by looking at the palm and feeling all the mounts. !

Dear Sir,

A few years back in India, I consulted a Palmist and he was reading my palm and whatever he was saying was so true and he even predicted something for the future which became true finally.

He seemed a little not too orthodox types..with rather modern views about life.

 

[tbs]

Sri.tbs Sir, Greetings.

That is so true!....

Cheers!

hi
i did masters in astrology ...we had masters/ ph,d in astrology....i had optional paper....but im very theoritical person....not a

professional astrologer....i studied some astrological books for my masters degree in astrology....some of my friends did

ph.d in astrology....but still im a student of astrology....there are 2 different astroligical courses in masters degree...

its called PHALITHA JYOTHISHAM/ GANITHA JYOTHISHAM.... ganitha purely mathematical...im very weak in maths.....

brhad jataka samhita is main book in sanskrit.....

 

[Raghy]

hi
i did masters in astrology ...we had masters/ ph,d in astrology....i had optional paper....but im very theoritical person....not a

professional astrologer....i studied some astrological books for my masters degree in astrology....some of my friends did

ph.d in astrology....but still im a student of astrology....there are 2 different astroligical courses in masters degree...

its called PHALITHA JYOTHISHAM/ GANITHA JYOTHISHAM.... ganitha purely mathematical...im very weak in maths.....

brhad jataka samhita is main book in sanskrit.....

Sri.tbs, Greetings.

My friend practiced Ganitha jodhisham. He used to use a 7 digit logarithm table to find angles very accurately. Also he purchased astrology monthly published from Paris to accurately calculate planetary postions. He was quite serious about every table he prepared. There was a period, his predictions were very accurate. He is no more now; but the accuracy of his predictions didn't last for ever. There were times even I picked up mistakes in his calculations. It must have been very interesting for you when studied astrology...

Cheers!

 

[tbs]

Sri.tbs, Greetings.

My friend practiced Ganitha jodhisham. He used to use a 7 digit logarithm table to find angles very accurately. Also he purchased astrology monthly published from Paris to accurately calculate planetary postions. He was quite serious about every table he prepared. There was a period, his predictions were very accurate. He is no more now; but the accuracy of his predictions didn't last for ever. There were times even I picked up mistakes in his calculations. It must have been very interesting for you when studied astrology...

Cheers!

hi raghy sir,
ganitha jyothisham is very tough.....some ppl can do that......im very weak in mathematical tables.....i had bitter experiences

in prediction......now a days i use more computer based astrology....

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

hi
i did masters in astrology ...we had masters/ ph,d in astrology....i had optional paper....but im very theoritical person....not a

professional astrologer....i studied some astrological books for my masters degree in astrology....some of my friends did

ph.d in astrology....but still im a student of astrology....there are 2 different astroligical courses in masters degree...

its called PHALITHA JYOTHISHAM/ GANITHA JYOTHISHAM.... ganitha purely mathematical...im very weak in maths.....

brhad jataka samhita is main book in sanskrit.....

Very nice to read. Congrats to you. Wish you all the best in your Career.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[sangom]

Dear Sangom Sir,

Actually I did not have any fracture. It is by the grace of Lord Shakthi Vinayaka. I have belief in His grace. When I told

my doctor that I had a fall, he asked me if I am able to walk!! He suspected a fracture in one of my legs / hip joint.

Reg. the place of Sani: Someone has told Ram's father that Sani in the 10th house will make the girl very talkative and

he started searching for girls who do not have Sani in the 10th house!

BTW, your new avtar picture is nice.

Smt. RR,

I am sorry I mistook that you had a fracture in the elbow and so could not operate the computer for a few days. In astrology the bane is that people start generalizing just as "Someone has told Ram's father that Sani in the 10th house will make the girl very talkative" and those who go on giving such opinions do a lot of harm for the cause of astrology, imho.

Re. my new avtar, I found this new image of a buck deer in the background of sunset, in the web and made a small image thereof. Thanks for the compliments.

 

[sangom]

Sri.tbs, Greetings.

My friend practiced Ganitha jodhisham. He used to use a 7 digit logarithm table to find angles very accurately. Also he purchased astrology monthly published from Paris to accurately calculate planetary postions. He was quite serious about every table he prepared. There was a period, his predictions were very accurate. He is no more now; but the accuracy of his predictions didn't last for ever. There were times even I picked up mistakes in his calculations. It must have been very interesting for you when studied astrology...

Cheers!

Dear Shri Raghy,

Though my astrological knowledge is merely amateurish, what I can say is that, in astrology, if you start aiming at more and more accuracy (like the 7digit log, etc. which you mention), the more one's chances of making a blunder. This may be illustrated by taking the ṣaṣṭyaṃśa or one-minute-of-arc sub-division of the Rasi. Parasara Hora places great reliance on this ṣaṣṭyaṃśa chart, even to predict the poorva janma karmas, etc. But the Lagna or ascendant will change in this chart in about 2 minutes of time, on an average and it may so happen that if the time of birth is changed by + or - 5seconds of time, the ṣaṣṭyaṃśa Lagna will change and the predictions will change, sometimes very radically.

What is the sine qua non for a good astrologer, imo, is that "sixth sense" which only very very few practising astrologers of today possess.

Again gaṇita jyotiṣam is not a branch of predictive astrology; it is the calculation part. One who knows this need not be able to predict at all. Similarly, one who excels in phala jyotiṣam may be unable to cast a horoscope or make any astrological calculations beyond the rudimentary ones.

 

[sravna]

I am in full agreement with Shri.Sangom regarding the necessity of the sixth sense to practise astrology. It is such a deep knowledge, that even to grasp the grasped knowledge you need good intuition. Use of mathematics may seem to give more accuracy but in reality that alone does not. The intuition of the astrologer plays a far far greater role IMO

 

[sarang]

Very well said, sir. Sixth sense, intuition, gifted, saraswati in the tongue - attributes necessary for selecting the most probable prediction out of hundreds of pointers.

Dear Shri Raghy,

Though my astrological knowledge is merely amateurish, what I can say is that, in astrology, if you start aiming at more and more accuracy (like the 7digit log, etc. which you mention), the more one's chances of making a blunder. This may be illustrated by taking the ṣaṣṭyaṃśa or one-minute-of-arc sub-division of the Rasi. Parasara Hora places great reliance on this ṣaṣṭyaṃśa chart, even to predict the poorva janma karmas, etc. But the Lagna or ascendant will change in this chart in about 2 minutes of time, on an average and it may so happen that if the time of birth is changed by + or - 5seconds of time, the ṣaṣṭyaṃśa Lagna will change and the predictions will change, sometimes very radically.

What is the sine qua non for a good astrologer, imo, is that "sixth sense" which only very very few practising astrologers of today possess.

Again gaṇita jyotiṣam is not a branch of predictive astrology; it is the calculation part. One who knows this need not be able to predict at all. Similarly, one who excels in phala jyotiṣam may be unable to cast a horoscope or make any astrological calculations beyond the rudimentary ones.

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

As the exact minute of a birth is almost impossible to get, this fact makes the mathematical
part of Astrology makes misleading at times. Recently, I approached a person to obtain
knowledge in Vedic astrology. The teacher explained that astronomy is a legitimate scientific
study about planets and as such it has its relationships to mathematics, which is a very simple one.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur
​

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Sri.tbs, Greetings.

My friend practiced Ganitha jodhisham. He used to use a 7 digit logarithm table to find angles very accurately. Also he purchased astrology monthly published from Paris to accurately calculate planetary postions. He was quite serious about every table he prepared. There was a period, his predictions were very accurate. He is no more now; but the accuracy of his predictions didn't last for ever. There were times even I picked up mistakes in his calculations. It must have been very interesting for you when studied astrology...

Cheers!

Very nice input.

Balasubramanian

 

[C RAVI]

I second Shri Sravna's openions.


Shri Sangom, you have correctly indicated the significance of "sixth sense" of a practicing astrologer.

Intuition plays a very major role along with the knowledge in Astrology to interpret and predict.

Ironically some people whom I came across personally, laughed at me, when I told them the same. I could understand their mental make up from their horoscope.



When one of my room mates requested me to look into his and his wife's horoscope, I told him off that his wife will get her TN Govt. Job confirmed by 18th October, 2012 and he himself will have a good opportunities in his career between October and December of 2011 and would leave Dubai for another GCC neighbouring county, happily with very good hike in salary and comfortable accommodation. This came true. He is now happily working in Doha, having his job confirmed during the said period, having his visa issued while he was in Dubai itself and joining his work in mid of May this year. And, his wife got her appointment order on 18th Ocotber this year, to join as accountant in TN Treasury department.


For the other guy who was fed up and wanted to quit his job in Dubai Water and Electricity Authority, I told him not to feel dejected as the most great time has started and that he will get a good salary hike. As well his wife would get pregnent between October and November this year (after 3 years of marriage). The same thing happened. He got very good salary hike to his atmost satisfaction, made a short visit to his home town and came back, and got a good news a week before that his wife is pregnent and there are good indications of growth.


I suggested a very simple spiritual practices for both of them and they did it.


Still, these guys were very sceptical about my predictions as most of the astrologers whom they consulted, gave them a totally different picture, citing them very conviencing reasons based on their natal horoscope.

 

[N.R.Ranganathan]

Sri Sangom sir,

I agree with you regarding sixth sense in reading horoscopes. Normally we call it as God's gift or grace. Those
who have this gift do not make astrology a commercial proposition. They are just satisfied with vetrilai, paaku,
pushpam, pazham and whatever guru dakshina you offer. There is no demand.

 

[prasad1]

Sri Sangom sir,

I agree with you regarding sixth sense in reading horoscopes. Normally we call it as God's gift or grace. Those
who have this gift do not make astrology a commercial proposition. They are just satisfied with vetrilai, paaku,
pushpam, pazham and whatever guru dakshina you offer. There is no demand.

Sir,
You are right about some astrologers.
Here people gloat over their success, very conveniently glossing over their errors. It may not be for money, it is their ego satisfaction.

 

[C RAVI]

Sri Sangom sir,

I agree with you regarding sixth sense in reading horoscopes. Normally we call it as God's gift or grace. Those
who have this gift do not make astrology a commercial proposition. They are just satisfied with vetrilai, paaku,
pushpam, pazham and whatever guru dakshina you offer. There is no demand.

Absolutely true, Shri N.R.Ranganathan.

 

[Raji Ram]

If fate makes a mother undergo c-section to deliver her baby and that child has a good fortune of being born in a good

time (to get a good horoscope), then the mother will be able to find both these persons: The right astrologer, who calculates

a good time of birth and the right surgeon who follows the given instructions! This satisfies the karma theory. :thumb:

 

[sangom]

Sri Sangom sir,

I agree with you regarding sixth sense in reading horoscopes. Normally we call it as God's gift or grace. Those
who have this gift do not make astrology a commercial proposition. They are just satisfied with vetrilai, paaku,
pushpam, pazham and whatever guru dakshina you offer. There is no demand.

Shri Ranganathan,

Just as in almost every walk of life, astrology has also become a way to make money. And this calls for publicity and so some astrologers start writing weekly/monthly predictions in periodicals with good circulation, etc. They have now spread to the TV channels too.

We have lost the old culture when astrologers would not simply go after money but only perform their duty either because their ancestors were astrologers who served the community or they somehow had the gift to predict correctly. Those astrologers were usually poor to very poor; our brahmin community failed to give them even a modicum of support in those days. But today the same brahmin community people get telephonic appointments of astrologers and pay heavy amounts to them. What an irony!!

 

[Iyyarooraan]

Whatever be the fortune, normal or c-section delivery, it is still the destiny of the child first, mother's next and others the rest. Even Ravana was defeated in his intention by the elements to correct his course.