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Correralation of Intelligence with Religiosity

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An interesting study linking Intelligence with Religiosity...But data points are of the English speaking Western World..As per this, with higher analytic intelligence, religiosity decreases & it gives reasons..Food for thought!


New meta-analysis checks the correlation between intelligence and faith



Akshat Rathi Aug 12 2013,



More than 400 years before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, Greek playwright Euripides wrote in his play Bellerophon, “Doth some one say that there be gods above? There are not; no, there are not. Let no fool, led by the old false fable, thus deceive you.”



Euripides was not an atheist and only used the word “fool” to provoke his audience. But, if you look at the studies conducted over the past century, you will find that those with religious beliefs will, on the whole, score lower on tests of intelligence. That is the conclusion of psychologists Miron Zuckerman and Jordan Silberman of the University of Rochester and Judith Hall of Northeastern University who have published a meta-analysis in Personality and Social Psychology Review.



This is the first systematic meta-analysis of 63 studies conducted between 1928 and 2012. In such an analysis, the authors look at each study’s sample size, quality of data collection, and analysis methods and then account for biases that may have inadvertently crept into the work. This data is next refracted through the prism of statistical theory to draw an overarching conclusion of what scholars in this field find. “Our conclusion,” as Zuckerman puts it, “is not new.”



“If you count the number of studies which find a positive correlation against those that find a negative correlation, you can draw the same conclusion because most studies find a negative correlation,” added Zuckerman. But that conclusion would be qualitative, because the studies’ methods vary. “What we have done is to draw that conclusion more accurately through statistical analysis.”



Setting the boundaries



Out of 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one. Significant negative correlations were seen in 35 studies, whereas only two studies showed significant positive correlations.



The three psychologists have defined intelligence as the “ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience.” In short this is analytic intelligence, not the newly identified forms of creative and emotional intelligence, which are still subjects of dispute. In the various studies being examined, analytic intelligence has been measured in many different ways, including GPA (grade point average), UEE (university entrance exams), Mensa membership, and Intelligence Quotient (IQ) tests, among others.



Religiosity is defined as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion, which includes belief in the supernatural, offering gifts to this supernatural, and performing rituals affirming their beliefs. Other signs of religiosity were measured using surveys, church attendance, and membership in religious organizations.
Among the thousands of people involved in these studies, the authors found that gender or education made no difference to the correlation between religiosity and intelligence; however, age mattered. The negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence was found to be the weakest among the pre-college population. That may be because of the uniqueness of the college experience, where most teenagers leave home for the first time, get exposed to new ideas, and are given a higher degree of freedom to act on them. Instead, in pre-college years, religious beliefs may largely reflect those of the family.



The gifted, the atheists



Is there a chance that higher intelligence makes people less religious? Two sets of large-scale studies tried to answer this question.



The first are based on the Terman cohort of the gifted, started in 1921 by Lewis Terman, a psychologist at Stanford University. (The cohort is still being followed.) In the study, Terman recruited more than 1,500 children whose IQ exceeded 135 at the age of 10. Two studies used this data, one conducted by Robin Sears at Columbia University in 1995 and the other by Michael McCullough at the University of Miami in 2005, and they found that “Termites,” as the gifted are called, were less religious when compared to the general public.



What makes these results remarkable is not just that these gifted folks were less religious, something that is seen among elite scientists as well, but that 60 percent of the Termites reported receiving “very strict” or “considerable” religious training while 33 percent received little training. Thus, almost all of the gifted Termites grew up to be less religious.



The second set of studies is based on students of New York’s Hunter College Elementary School for the intellectually gifted. This school selects its students based on a test given at a young age. To study their religiosity, graduates of this school were queried when they were between the ages of 38 and 50. They all had IQs that exceeded 140, and the study found that only 16 percent of them derived personal satisfaction from religion (about the same number as the Termites).



So while the Hunter study did not control for factors such as socioeconomic status or occupation, it did find that high intelligence at a young age preceded lower belief in religion many years later.



Other studies on the topic have been ambiguous. A 2009 study, led by Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, compared religious beliefs and average national IQs of 137 countries. In their sample, only 23 countries had more than 20 percent atheists, which constituted, according to Lynn, "virtually all higher IQ countries." The positive correlation between intelligence and atheism was a strong one, but the study came under criticism from Gordon Lynch of Birkbeck College, because it did not account for complex social, economical, and historical factors.

New meta-analysis checks the correlation between intelligence and faith | Ars Technica
 
Actually it is very simple..may be the subjects used to study were at the either end of the spectrum.

1st group..the ones who believed in God but not in themselves.

2nd group..the ones who firmly believed in themselves and left God out of the picture.

I have seen in college many over the top religious ones were mainly average or below average students who did not get their priorities right.

I have seen people when university exam is just a couple of days away but yet never cut Bible classes and spend time writing prayer notes and pasting them on their rooms wall where they write "Distinction for me in the name of Jesus"..but they spend more time praying than studying!

Then there are the Hindu ones who go overboard during Saraswati Pooja and keep making vows too on other days.
Many of my classmates made vows to go to Sabarimalai too if they passed their exams.

These types usually do not work hard and expect God to be "bribed" by their offerings and promises and hope to pass the exam but in reality they do not put in the required effort.


Ok next coming to the so called Not So Religious types..these are the types are of 2 types:

1)Those who love God but believes that God Helps Those Who Help Themselves and work hard without being overly involved in prayer.
These types might not even attend temple and might just recite some prayers on and off mainly praying in their hearts

2)Then we have those who believe in hard work and effort and do not think God has any role in their life..these types also work hard and get the desired results.


So by this we know that hard work,effort and getting our priorities right pays off and one needs to place faith in the right place..place faith in our own ability after all Lord Krishna said:

śraddhāvān labhate jñānam / श्रद्धावान् लभते ज्ञानम् (the one with faith gains wisdom)
 
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An interesting study linking Intelligence with Religiosity...But data points are of the English speaking Western World..As per this, with higher analytic intelligence, religiosity decreases & it gives reasons..Food for thought!


New meta-analysis checks the correlation between intelligence and faith



Akshat Rathi Aug 12 2013,



More than 400 years before the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, Greek playwright Euripides wrote in his play Bellerophon, “Doth some one say that there be gods above? There are not; no, there are not. Let no fool, led by the old false fable, thus deceive you.”



Euripides was not an atheist and only used the word “fool” to provoke his audience. But, if you look at the studies conducted over the past century, you will find that those with religious beliefs will, on the whole, score lower on tests of intelligence. That is the conclusion of psychologists Miron Zuckerman and Jordan Silberman of the University of Rochester and Judith Hall of Northeastern University who have published a meta-analysis in Personality and Social Psychology Review.



This is the first systematic meta-analysis of 63 studies conducted between 1928 and 2012. In such an analysis, the authors look at each study’s sample size, quality of data collection, and analysis methods and then account for biases that may have inadvertently crept into the work. This data is next refracted through the prism of statistical theory to draw an overarching conclusion of what scholars in this field find. “Our conclusion,” as Zuckerman puts it, “is not new.”



“If you count the number of studies which find a positive correlation against those that find a negative correlation, you can draw the same conclusion because most studies find a negative correlation,” added Zuckerman. But that conclusion would be qualitative, because the studies’ methods vary. “What we have done is to draw that conclusion more accurately through statistical analysis.”



Setting the boundaries



Out of 63 studies, 53 showed a negative correlation between intelligence and religiosity, while 10 showed a positive one. Significant negative correlations were seen in 35 studies, whereas only two studies showed significant positive correlations.



The three psychologists have defined intelligence as the “ability to reason, plan, solve problems, think abstractly, comprehend complex ideas, learn quickly, and learn from experience.” In short this is analytic intelligence, not the newly identified forms of creative and emotional intelligence, which are still subjects of dispute. In the various studies being examined, analytic intelligence has been measured in many different ways, including GPA (grade point average), UEE (university entrance exams), Mensa membership, and Intelligence Quotient (IQ) tests, among others.



Religiosity is defined as involvement in some (or all) facets of religion, which includes belief in the supernatural, offering gifts to this supernatural, and performing rituals affirming their beliefs. Other signs of religiosity were measured using surveys, church attendance, and membership in religious organizations.
Among the thousands of people involved in these studies, the authors found that gender or education made no difference to the correlation between religiosity and intelligence; however, age mattered. The negative correlation between religiosity and intelligence was found to be the weakest among the pre-college population. That may be because of the uniqueness of the college experience, where most teenagers leave home for the first time, get exposed to new ideas, and are given a higher degree of freedom to act on them. Instead, in pre-college years, religious beliefs may largely reflect those of the family.



The gifted, the atheists



Is there a chance that higher intelligence makes people less religious? Two sets of large-scale studies tried to answer this question.



The first are based on the Terman cohort of the gifted, started in 1921 by Lewis Terman, a psychologist at Stanford University. (The cohort is still being followed.) In the study, Terman recruited more than 1,500 children whose IQ exceeded 135 at the age of 10. Two studies used this data, one conducted by Robin Sears at Columbia University in 1995 and the other by Michael McCullough at the University of Miami in 2005, and they found that “Termites,” as the gifted are called, were less religious when compared to the general public.



What makes these results remarkable is not just that these gifted folks were less religious, something that is seen among elite scientists as well, but that 60 percent of the Termites reported receiving “very strict” or “considerable” religious training while 33 percent received little training. Thus, almost all of the gifted Termites grew up to be less religious.



The second set of studies is based on students of New York’s Hunter College Elementary School for the intellectually gifted. This school selects its students based on a test given at a young age. To study their religiosity, graduates of this school were queried when they were between the ages of 38 and 50. They all had IQs that exceeded 140, and the study found that only 16 percent of them derived personal satisfaction from religion (about the same number as the Termites).



So while the Hunter study did not control for factors such as socioeconomic status or occupation, it did find that high intelligence at a young age preceded lower belief in religion many years later.



Other studies on the topic have been ambiguous. A 2009 study, led by Richard Lynn of the University of Ulster, compared religious beliefs and average national IQs of 137 countries. In their sample, only 23 countries had more than 20 percent atheists, which constituted, according to Lynn, "virtually all higher IQ countries." The positive correlation between intelligence and atheism was a strong one, but the study came under criticism from Gordon Lynch of Birkbeck College, because it did not account for complex social, economical, and historical factors.

New meta-analysis checks the correlation between intelligence and faith | Ars Technica

Shri Gane,

A signal service to this forum!! Thank you!
 
We all say that one's destiny lies in one's hand...As we grow older when we face the travails of life we get spiritual /religious...We feel that in front of nature (God) we are helpless...We understand that we are mortals with limited life...We tend to get reflective & get more religious...Also environment also plays a key role..In India we have more religious people & we try to blend with the hoi polloi...In the Scandinavian countries atheism thrives

Also religious is a very broad category...It can range from being highly superstitious /blind followers to ritualistic to doing just plain meditation to agnostics...Many of us may be agnostics with a scientific temperament but do not blindly subscribe to atheism or theism

Due to this broad categorization, an agnostic person can also be religious as he may believe in supreme power) and we cannot say that such a person as being less intelligent than an atheist...
 
The religious ones are more likely to be at the extremes than the atheist ones. So the correlation between intelligence and religiosity would be low. I would definitely rate Jesus, Sankara, Buddha etc much higher than any elite atheist scientist even if it is Einstein.
 
The religious ones are more likely to be at the extremes than the atheist ones. So the correlation between intelligence and religiosity would be low. I would definitely rate Jesus, Sankara, Buddha etc much higher than any elite atheist scientist even if it is Einstein.

Sravnaji,

Are you saying that the thoughts of theists are more profound than that of the atheists?
 
The religious ones are more likely to be at the extremes than the atheist ones. So the correlation between intelligence and religiosity would be low. I would definitely rate Jesus, Sankara, Buddha etc much higher than any elite atheist scientist even if it is Einstein.

Dear Sravna,

By rating Jesus Shankara and Buddha you will be doing them a great disservice!

They were preaching Samatvam(Equality) and now you want to rate them as to compare them with anyone else?


All 3 of them will see Albert Einstein or any Atheist as an Atma and nothing less or nothing more.
 
“It is better that mankind should become atheist by following reason than blindly believe in two hundred million gods on the authority of anybody”~Swami Vivekananda

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]And beware of superstition. I would rather see everyone of you rank atheists than superstitious fools, for the atheist is alive, and you can make something of him. But if superstition enters, the brain is gone, the brain is softening, degradation has seized upon the life. Mystery-mongering and superstition are always signs of weakness.” ~Swami Vivekananda[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]For those that care to not lose their reasoning ability via beliefs in anything (Supernatural God, Astrology etc) - Upanishads do not 'preach' faith - They teach. Many of our religious traditions are based on this knowledge but the knowledge of Upanishads are themselves not dependent on any tradition. The Shanti Mantras are recited at the end of many rituals. Their literal translation is absurd and one has to stretch their imagination to make some sense. Most do not know the profound meaning but it is recited nevertheless. This is perfectly fine - an unintended belief system based on a foundation of logic and teaching.

In our rituals and teaching there are three kinds of approaches broadly speaking.

1. Puranas and rituals based on those. For many that deity is God supported by Puranic stories and mythologies.
2. There is a definition of Isvara for others who see Isvara as the cause of Jagat, sustainer of Jagat and one unto whom the Jagat 'returns' in an unmanifest form. This kind of thinking/belief leads to another view of God and some of the rituals do support this notion
3. There is then this Nirguna and unreachable Brahman - there may be Mantras in rituals. Again there are many that believe in this because no reason can help understand this unreachable xyz.

Teachings embodied in Upanishads unifies all of the above for those that want to step out of belief based activities. But it may take a life time of learning.

My personal view is that Agnosticism is a natural state - it is an expression of ignorance which is a starting point of our life. All the learning shows that it is hard to understand the 'why' behind many things.

When that ignorance is coupled with stupidity , in my view - a notion called atheism emerges. (Please note that I am not passing any comment about atheists). But one can appeal to reason for reasonable atheists which is what Sri Vevekananda refers to in the quote above.

Dealing with fundamentalists be it the born again Christians or the other extreme of '
[/FONT]தீவிரவாதி atheists' is waste of time since the decay of ability think has happened already... [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]


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Sravnaji,

Are you saying that the thoughts of theists are more profound than that of the atheists?

Dear Shri Vgane,

I think an omnipotent and omniscient entity exists. To see this clearly one needs to possess the most profound mind. So my answer to your question is that the most profound theists are more profound than the most profound atheists.
 
Dear Sravna,

By rating Jesus Shankara and Buddha you will be doing them a great disservice!

They were preaching Samatvam(Equality) and now you want to rate them as to compare them with anyone else?


All 3 of them will see Albert Einstein or any Atheist as an Atma and nothing less or nothing more.

Dear Renuka,

I think you are uncomfortable with the word "rating". Even going by what you say, the point is made.
 
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It is easy to be a theist, it takes intellectual effort to free oneself from theism and become a free thinking skeptic, an atheist in day-to-day life.......
 
It is easy to be a theist, it takes intellectual effort to free oneself from theism and become a free thinking skeptic, an atheist in day-to-day life.......

It is actually easy to be an atheist today when you see so much of wickedness around and take it as something we have to live with. To see beneath this reality is what really requires depth in thinking.
 
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It is easy to be a theist, it takes intellectual effort to free oneself from theism and become a free thinking skeptic, an atheist in day-to-day life.......


The secret of life is simplicity!

So when you can have it simple why make it hard ?
 
It is actually easy to be an atheist today when you see so much of wickedness around and take it as something we have to live with. To see beneath this reality is what really requires depth in thinking.

Dear Sravna,

Being a Theist or Atheist is neither hard nor easy..I feel there is no actual gradation here.

Do we get up every morning and tell ourselves 'I am a Theist or I am an Atheist?'

We do not isn't it?

We go about life as usual daily..bodily functions of each human is the same.

So for all practical purposes what really matters is our thoughts,words and deeds which is purely up to the individual to choose the mode of behavior that he/she is comfortable with.

I do not feel Theism or Atheism actually influences a persons behavior on the Richter Scale.
 
well, this study is obviously wrong & incorrect !!. Brahmins are/have been highly religious (just go back a 100 yrs or even 50 yrs, everyone of our direct ancestors were extremely religious, even now most of us are very religious except for a few) for 1000s of years & have been one of the most intelligent groups. Similarly Jews have been highly religious right through history for 1000s of years & another very intelligent group.

I have said this earlier also, many of these so called scientific studies are based on too small samples to take any meaningful insights!

Atheist thinks with the available data, God does not exist, the Theist thinks with the available data (called the miracle of universe & life forms) & the unknown (so many are yet to be discovered, understood), God/Supreme Being does exist !! so you know who is more intelligent now !!
 
well, this study is obviously wrong & incorrect !!. Brahmins are/have been highly religious (just go back a 100 yrs or even 50 yrs, everyone of our direct ancestors were extremely religious, even now most of us are very religious except for a few) for 1000s of years & have been one of the most intelligent groups. Similarly Jews have been highly religious right through history for 1000s of years & another very intelligent group.

I have said this earlier also, many of these so called scientific studies are based on too small samples to take any meaningful insights!

Atheist thinks with the available data, God does not exist, the Theist thinks with the available data (called the miracle of universe & life forms) & the unknown (so many are yet to be discovered, understood), God/Supreme Being does exist !! so you know who is more intelligent now !!

Dear Jayakay Ji,

There are a lot of religious communities in the world...some are known for their Brawn and Might and not their brains!


BTW you have stated that both Atheist and Theist think with available data and interpret it the way they understand it..so what is wrong with that??

After all isn't it Ekam Sat(Data in this case) Viprah(the learned) Bahuda Vadanti(describe it differently).

So that means in your sentence both Atheist and Theist can be classified a Viprah!

So where is the question of one group being more intelligent than the other??
 
Hi Renuka,

Let me explain.

If we had gone back 100 yrs & were to discuss –relativity theory was non-existent then. So at that time, we could have easily made fun saying – there is nothing called “ageless body & timeliness mind”as described by our Vedic texts.

But Einstein comes & proves, that if we were to travel at the “light of speed”, then time stands still & people will never age !!

So it is un-intelligent to say that God does NOT exist with limited data, hence the Theist are more intelligent here !

Cheers,
 
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Renuka - I am not saying one group is more intelligent than others - so not a supremacist statement !. I am only countering the OP by saying that Brahmins are one of the "most religious" groups ever & they are intelligent ! Cheers,
 
Renuka - I am not saying one group is more intelligent than others - so not a supremacist statement !. I am only countering the OP by saying that Brahmins are one of the "most religious" groups ever & they are intelligent ! Cheers,

Dear Sir,

There is a lot of difference between learning by rote and intelligence.

Many mistake intelligence with a good memory.

I still remember when I was in India during Forensic class..a prof asked everyone a question on how can a single bullet cause 3 entry wound and 3 exit wounds?

Most of the top scorers who learnt by rote were not able to answer it cos it was not found in the text book!

Only very few students who used their brains knew the answer.

It is actually very hard to measure intelligence..getting high marks isn't the yard stick for intelligence.

IQ has many facets.

So going by that I would not want to generalize any community as intelligent or less intelligent.
 
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Dear Sravna,

Being a Theist or Atheist is neither hard nor easy..I feel there is no actual gradation here.

Do we get up every morning and tell ourselves 'I am a Theist or I am an Atheist?'

We do not isn't it?

We go about life as usual daily..bodily functions of each human is the same.

So for all practical purposes what really matters is our thoughts,words and deeds which is purely up to the individual to choose the mode of behavior that he/she is comfortable with.

I do not feel Theism or Atheism actually influences a persons behavior on the Richter Scale.

Dear Renuka,

Being a theist or an atheist may or may not significantly influence your behaviour. But whether you are a theist or an atheist is influenced by your innate nature.
 
Hi Renuka,

Absolutely agree with you. I am definitely not saying any group is more intelligent than others, that’s why I said, it is not a supremacist statement. However linking religiosity with lack of intelligence is incorrect which this scientific studying is trying to. Because my any measure, the Brahmins are NOT un-intelligent!

So that’s why I said, many of these scientific studies are based on very small sample sizes to take any meaningful insights. Also even if you take people across all communities, many of whom we meet, I don’t see any difference in the intelligence levels due to religiosity!!

Cheers,
 
Dear JK ji,

I would re word your statement as a sizeable number of Brahmins are intelligent but not all Brahmins are intelligent...when I was in India I have seen many very average or below average Brahmin students.

There used to be one TB girl in my class who used to do kind of bad in studies

She used to ask top scorers.."Are you a Brahmin?" if the person was not a Brahmin she used to ask "then how come you scored so high" till one day one guy asked her "why do you score so low in that case?"

BTW Jaykay Ji,

I used to be under the impression that TBs were very religious till I joined Forum and found out they can range from Hard Core Believers, Agnostics to Hard Core Atheists!

So there you go we can never generalize.
 
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Hi Renuka - Agree, not everyone is ! Cheers, JK

Dear Jaykay ji,

But I must admit that I sometimes say Brahmins are intelligent on certain situations to escape!

Ok you see out here we have Medical Representatives who promote the sale of Omega 3 Salmon Oil saying it has DHA to improve intelligence.

So I usually tell them I am not keen to give that to patients and they show all data to show intelligence level of subjects who consumed it.

So to escape from buying this I tell the Medical Rep that 'You see the Brahmins of India are vegetarians and they are very intelligent..none of them consume Salmon and also Salmon is a fish that swims against the current to spawn up stream which is not an easy feat (to swim against the current) and some land right into the mouth of a bear!....so if the Salmon is dumb enough to not to figure out how to reproduce in a less difficult manner I have my doubts how will Salmon oil make one intelligent!"

So you see by saying Brahmins are intelligent I escape from buying this Omega 3 from the Medical Rep!LOL
 
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