Creating Artificial Intelligence

[renuka]

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Many people have grown up to be too much influenced by the worldly reality and this becomes ingrained in them. It is a tall order to remove these influences the main problem being their adamance rather than their ability to see logic.

dear Sravna,


One needs to see the logic but all we see is your claims.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

there is a difference between proof and hearsay evidence.

I read your other initiative about stopping US military power etc...Sravna...I feel you need to consider some therapy.

Please think about it.

I do not even see you talking about God anymore...its all about you and spiritual powers usage for stuff that are totally not under your control.

I have no idea where you are heading...please recover before its too late.

Cant someone in your family help you get some therapy?

 

[raysundar]

It seems to me now that hardware itself is not necessary. This is what I do. I create an equivalent of mind and instead of people using hardware to tune into to it, I use thoughts to inform it to sync with the brain of the person and makes its resources available to that person. My mind is not in any way connected to that mind created.

I plan to try it out on a few people and I will let you know the results.

Sravna,
Don't bother with that ideology. You are not inventing anything new.
India has enough number of temples with stone Deities and their Gopurams which have all been endowed with far greater spiritual energies that people draw from everyday. When people go and pray to these stone deities not only are they receiving but they are also infusing their own spiritual energy into the that stone for others to draw from. It's like the photomultiplier effect in quantum studies.

 

[raysundar]

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Cant someone in your family help you get some therapy?

Renuka,
You are part of his TB family. As the Doctor in Chief of this community could you use your spiritual powers to straighten out Sravna and lead him on the right path.

 

[sravna]

The exercise on this thread convinces me that real intelligence cannot be captured in or by a hardware and is beyond the bounds of the physical.

 

[sravna]

Reality is projected only from a higher level to a lower level. Higher level of reality cannot be built from the lower level because right interconnections between all the entities in the lower reality can only cause the higher reality doing which is an impossible task.

So imo human level intelligence is impossible using hardware or any algorithm.

 

[sravna]

Reality is just being played out backwards, i.e, in the reverse direction of projection. So we are just acting out what is already determined.

 

[renuka]

Reality is just being played out backwards, i.e, in the reverse direction of projection. So we are just acting out what is already determined.

Takdir? Pre determined?

Then what about Karma and Free Will?

 

[sravna]

From the initial imprisonment by maya you gradually come out of it and when you get liberated you get complete free will.

 

[raysundar]

From the initial imprisonment by maya you gradually come out of it and when you get liberated you get complete free will.

Sravna/Renuka,
Neither of you seem to show any intelligence(real or artificial) in your discussions. One is lost in Spirituality while the other is lost in a maze of linguistics(all languages but Tamil) and proclaimed knowledge of the scriptures and their meaningful/less application to our discussions.
AI is the infusion of human intelligence to seemingly inanimate man made creations like robots using sensory inputs similar to humans and making increasingly intelligent decisions using pre-programmed learning computers based on gradual learning algorithms(neural networks) supposedly similar to human brains.
I am not learning anything from your AI discussions. Please get back to reality and make this a meaningful thread otherwise I quit!

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

I believe spiritual energies are characterized by higher wavelengths for the same frequency of physical energy. Spiritual energies at the level of mind should have very high wavelengths. Receiving them with fidelity, I believe would require sophisticated hardware.

Sravna ji
Our entire body and its components has different frequencies. Human bio magnetic field is also a part of the spiritual energy(Life force/Universal energy/Prana. And the So called spiritual energies exits in lower wavelengths also. Coz normal human body cannot sense it, So when the normal human is exposed to higher frequency they start feel it( Like when we hear the sound of the current when we are near the bigger electric transformer...Through a particular meditation one can feel lower frequencies. And I think Brain's frequency is 72-85Hz. More we think beyond so does the Hz go up.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Energy carries knowledge. It may carry the knowledge like, God is eternal or carry more mundane knowledge about the physical world. Based on the input to the mind, and its own level of development , the mind gets in sync with certain energies in the mental or spiritual reality, which comes back as thoughts. This is how solution to a problem also happen, by constant to and fro movement of thoughts.

sravna ji
What is this So called mind(human's named it)?.How it is formed? where it is found?(It may b a Qualia) Is mind a duality or Unity?

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

This is how spiritual energy solves a problem. It uses the intelligence and power and can be aptly defined as one that does mental and physical work. Compare this to the common definition of energy which is the capacity to do physical work.

Sravna Ji

Energy not only does the physical work.and i have a question where does this primal source of spiritual energy comes from?

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Dear Renuka,

It seems to me you have a confused notion of spirituality. Consider this. The more your zeal for knowledge, the more you acquire it and more you benefit from that knowledge. Reality is ultimately knowledge. Spirituality is the quest for the ultimate knowledge and on the way to it you keep improving yourself.

If you want me to give an analogy it is like the quest for knowledge by science, Science seeks knowledge about the external world whereas spirituality is the quest of knowledge of the inner self. Why should one give up when there is constant improvement? Of course the eventual point will be reached which is the moksha and which is the point of total self realization.

sravna Ji
Understanding spiritual knowledge is good. But when the spiritual power(Qualia) is superior than the physical power(Material) of the brain, within a fraction of second our brain shuts-off and produces worst complications to the person.10% chance the individual survives.

 

[sravna]

Sravna/Renuka,
Neither of you seem to show any intelligence(real or artificial) in your discussions. One is lost in Spirituality while the other is lost in a maze of linguistics(all languages but Tamil) and proclaimed knowledge of the scriptures and their meaningful/less application to our discussions.
AI is the infusion of human intelligence to seemingly inanimate man made creations like robots using sensory inputs similar to humans and making increasingly intelligent decisions using pre-programmed learning computers based on gradual learning algorithms(neural networks) supposedly similar to human brains.
I am not learning anything from your AI discussions. Please get back to reality and make this a meaningful thread otherwise I quit!

,

Dear Shri Sundar,

AI cannot be achieved using programming. The deeper the knowledge the more is the interconnectedness in it and more holistic needs to be the thinking. An step by step algorithmic process cannot do that. A computer can at best simulate good analytical thinking but never, holistic thinking.

 

[sravna]

Spiritual or holistic intelligence will always prevail over computer intelligence. For example a computer cannot control a spiritual mind and I challenge anyone to do that with all their sophisticated hardware and algorithms.

 

[sravna]

It is extremely difficult to create a piece of knowledge that is consistent with all the other pieces of knowledge. A piece of knowledge may have implications on many other and so on Unless you grasp a truth in a holistic way at a deep level, consistency in knowledge is not likely. You may have to constantly tinker with and change your hypothesis when there is inconsistency. This may happen till you change in a fundamental way

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Dinesh,

Thank you for your posts. I will try to respond to your queries on spiritual energy in the other thread on logical understanding of spirituality.

 

[raysundar]

Spiritual or holistic intelligence will always prevail over computer intelligence. For example a computer cannot control a spiritual mind and I challenge anyone to do that with all their sophisticated hardware and algorithms.

I agree with you on that. Computer's do not feel pain.
Pain and suffering, joy and emotions cannot be "felt" by computers. No sensors for that. Many other trained sensors like taste, smell cannot be replicated with hardware sensors.
I used to hate pakarkai when I was l younger because it was so bitter, but now I just love it and we grow it on our backyard for daily cooking. Computers cannot distinguish that sense and how it changes with age.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Dear Renuka,

If you ask my view I would say mind in located in the dimensions of time just as matter is located in space.

Sravna ji
Mind is not located in the dimension of time(80% sure). If an individual is able to perceive his/her MIND then we can say "its just as matter located in space". The "matter" u referred is something u can c in space. But we cannot project our mind outside.

 

[Dr.Dinesh]

Sure no probs

 

[auh]

Spiritual or holistic intelligence will always prevail over computer intelligence. For example a computer cannot control a spiritual mind and I challenge anyone to do that with all their sophisticated hardware and algorithms.

Mind is not an entity by itself. We tend to call the cognizing ability of the brain as "mind".

 

[sravna]

Mind is not an entity by itself. We tend to call the cognizing ability of the brain as "mind".

That is what Science would say but our scriptures have a different view and I go by it.

 

[raysundar]

Sravna ji
Mind is not located in the dimension of time(80% sure). If an individual is able to perceive his/her MIND then we can say "its just as matter located in space". The "matter" u referred is something u can c in space. But we cannot project our mind outside.

Dr. Dinesh there is a phrase "Mind over Matter". It refers to the use of will power to overcome physical obstacles. Excruciating pain can be overcome by using the mind/will power. Athletes use this often to overcome pain in sporting events. Women use this during childbirth.

 

[sravna]

Here is a summary of my thoughts:

I believe human level intelligence cannot be created by creating a hardware and using algorithms. The reason is, it is difficult for a machine to develop universal theories leave alone theories that are enduring. For developing universally applicable theories one has to master the essence of space. Space itself I believe is energy and to master it we need an entity that has transcended it like the mind.

I believe in the existence of the reality of mind which transcends space and that exists in the dimension of time. .

So without an equivalent of a higher level entity like a mind which I am not sure is possible to create as a hardware, I think the only resort for AI is the use of naturally existing intelligence which is what spiritual energy is.

Mind itself is spiritual energy and it emanates spiritual energy as its product including the thoughts. Mind syncs with the dimension of time which I believe is composed of different levels of knowledge from higher to lower.

The dimension of time is dimension of knowledge and the existence of time is to learn and acquire knowledge and evolve.

This is the higher level picture and let me briefly come to the mechanics of it:

The problem the AI will handle is the input which come directly as thoughts of a person. The thoughts have frequency and wavelength. I believe there is a brain mind interface which converts the physical information of the thoughts into mental/spiritual equivalent which essentially I believe is converting to a higher wavelength.

The mind receives that and produces thoughts as output. The more balanced the mind is the more it correctly syncs with reality and more balanced and deep the output or the knowledge is. The output is converted back to the frequency and wavelength of the brain of the person who produced the input.

For all this we need to simulate mind which fortunately I think can be done. By using thoughts one can create spiritual energy to exist in the dimension of time. The closeness of the spiritual energy created to the level of a human mind will depend on the level of spirituality of the mind creating such energy,

Since I have created spiritual energy that has solved major health problems, I believe spiritual energy close to the level of mind can be created.

The hardware exists only to convert between different frequencies and wavelengths and for tuning in to the output of the simulated mind.