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Demonetisation: Will it lead to a corruption free India?

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Shocking story of avarice & chicanery!! With so many tricks ups the sleeves, will DM yield desired results? It is just a beginning or Is it the end of tough easures by our PM...May be Dec 30, 2016 will be the end of a beginning

India’s Money Launderers Soil Modi’s ‘Spring Cleaning’ of Cash

Drastic measures are being taken to dispose of wads of paper currency

By Raymond Zhong

Updated Nov. 23, 2016 9:43 a.m. ET


NEW DELHI—Unable to spend or deposit their sackfuls of large bank notes amid India’s crackdown on hoarding cash, business owners across the country are paying employees months of salary in advance, ringing up bogus sales and even buying gold they can smuggle overseas to get rid of stashed money or conceal its source.
Such illegal workarounds are threatening to undercut Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s move this month to cancel India’s highest-denomination rupee bills, which was meant to punish tax evaders and other criminals and bring more of the nation’s $2 trillion economy out of the shadows.
If Mr. Modi’s unprecedented social-engineering project fails to net too many of the biggest tax cheats, he risks further incurring the wrath of Indians already frustrated with the pain and economic dislocation the experiment has brought about in its first two weeks.
“Canceling these 500- and 1,000-rupee notes has caused inconvenience to you,” the prime minister said at a recent rally. “But some people’s whole life has been ruined—that is how I have punished them. Because they looted the poor, the middle class. They looted your money to run their business. That is why I launched this fight.”
Tax officials in India have for decades played testy games of cat-and-mouse with rich individuals and businessmen who accumulate wealth off the books and store it as real estate, jewelry, financial assets and cash stuffed in wardrobes.ENLARGE
Only about 20 million individuals and families, or around 1.6% of the country’s population, paid any income tax in 2013. Government revenue from personal and corporate income tax is less than 6% of the size of the economy in India. In advanced nations, the average is around 12%.
Requiring Indians to exchange their big bills at banks for newly created ones—or suffer a quiet, potentially catastrophic financial loss—was Mr. Modi’s way of forcing hidden riches to the surface. There, authorities would be watching, ready to examine large cash deposits.
Millions of Indians have heeded the call. Since Mr. Modi’s Nov. 8 announcement more than $80 billion in old bills has been exchanged or deposited. That is around 40% of the value of all large rupee bills in circulation. The deadline for turning in canceled bills is Dec. 30.
Others are discreetly jettisoning their cash stockpiles in more-inventive ways.
In Kolkata, a longtime hub for illicit financial activity, a lively trade has sprung up for converting voided bills into new bank notes, gold or checks, each for a different price. Tax officials say some people are buying gold with old notes and smuggling it out of the country, where it can be resold for hard currency. Recently, a man was caught trying to bring 2.5 kilograms of gold, worth nearly $100,000, on a Mumbai-to-Dubai flight. Usually in India, the gold-smuggling goes in the other direction.
“We are on alert as more people try to take gold overseas,” one revenue official said.
A retailer in northeastern India said he helped account for his cash pile by writing up invoices showing nonexistent past sales. Accountants in Mumbai have advised builders to pay subcontractors with invalidated bills. The subcontractors use the cash to pay laborers, whose meager earnings make their transactions less likely to face official scrutiny.
“Any poor person right now in India is useful for tax dodgers whose money is just going to evaporate,” said Prashant Thakur, a former income-tax officer in Kolkata.
Enough rich Indians were enlisting others to redeem small batches of cash at multiple bank branches that the Ministry of Finance last week ordered banks to mark people’s fingers with indelible ink when they come in to exchange old bills.
This safeguard—which India also uses to prevent people from voting more than once during elections—hasn’t proved airtight. This week, outside a dingy auto-parts store behind a bank in New Delhi, people were using diluted battery acid to wipe the ink off their fingers. The shop’s owner wouldn’t say whether he sold them the acid.
“In India, if there are five people thinking about making a law, there are 50 people thinking about breaking that law,” said Mukesh Butani, managing partner at BMR Legal, a New Delhi-based law firm.
Disposing of bigger bankrolls requires even greater ingenuity.
One cooking-gas distributor in the northern state of Uttar Pradesh ticked off the many ways he unloaded his cache of 7 million rupees, or around $100,000. His connections at banks helped him deposit around 500,000 rupees in old bills, backdating the transactions so they appear to have gone through before the notes were canceled on Nov. 9. The priest at a local temple accepted 35,000 rupees and gave it back to him in 100-rupee notes, he said.
He also paid more than 40 of his employees—laborers, accountants, guards, drivers—months of salary and bonuses in advance. “My security guard was overjoyed,” the businessman said.
While such leaks may prevent authorities from ever nabbing many Indians who sidestep taxes, some economists say they could also be cushioning the immediate blow dealt by the currency squeeze, which has choked off cash-based commerce this month.
Laundered bills, unlike those kept under mattresses, remain in the economy for others to spend. That helps prevent the money supply from contracting too severely.
“If the ‘black economy’ was contributing 10% or 20% or 50% of GDP growth, and if you wipe that portion off the economy, it is obvious to have a negative impact,” said Nikhil Gupta, an economist at Motilal Oswal Securities in Mumbai.
Mr. Butani, the lawyer in Delhi, said India has to do more than void notes if it wants to wean itself off cash. It also has to target the underlying reasons for which businesses amass paper money, such as the need to pay officials who demand bribes.
Whatever the legal-tender status of 500- and 1,000-rupee bills, “if an inspector wants money from me, he still wants it,” said V.K. Agarwal, managing director at a small electrical-cable manufacturer in Lucknow. “He says, ‘Give me new notes—I don’t care where you get them from.’ So what do I do?”
Politics in India is another big cash business. Because the country’s electoral rules don’t require political parties to disclose the sources of small donations, companies regularly use cash to buy influence. Parties then use the cash to buy votes ahead of elections.
The currency replacement is just “a spring-cleaning exercise,” said Jagdeep Chhokar, co-founder of the New Delhi-based Association for Democratic Reforms, which advocates for greater transparency in party financing. “Unless we change our way of living, our house is not going to be clean. It is going to get dirty again every year.”

http://www.wsj.com/articles/busines...-move-against-black-money-1479910149?mod=e2tw
 
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Reintroduce the Voluntary Disclosure Scheme to complement the demonetization...Good suggestion by Times of India

Carrot and stick: Reintroduce the voluntary disclosure scheme to complement demonetisation

November 25, 2016

Into the third week of demonetisation a parallel economy in old currency notes has developed. Jan Dhan bank accounts have seen an extraordinary flow of Rs 21,000 crore in deposits. Old currency is being flown to Nagaland, presumably to take advantage of loopholes, and drivers transporting cash are disappearing with their consignment. It appears as if all of India’s productive energies are now deployed to either legitimately withdraw cash or find ways to beat the system. For the government, it is time to change tactics now.

Demonetisation is a punitive measure and has signalled the Narendra Modi government’s resolve to combat black money. However, punitive measure have limitations as the last few days have shown. Even authoritarian regimes using draconian methods have been unable to stamp out black markets. The best way forward would be to combine punitive measures with incentives to encourage people to disclose unaccounted income and assets. Having signalled its resolve, the Modi government should now introduce an incentive that will mitigate economic disruption and earn it additional revenue.
The Income Declaration Scheme 2016 – which allowed people to pay 45% tax, surcharge and penalty in three installments for hitherto undisclosed income – should now be reintroduced for a couple of months. A combination of carrot and stick works best to incentivise disclosures of unaccounted money. The gains would go to the government in the form of tax revenue and a widening of tax base. In the absence of an incentive, what we will see is a wealth transfer within the firmament of illegal activities as black money gets recycled, not extinguished. This, in turn, will be followed by the return of an enforcement state, which will not be more successful than the one which existed in the 1970s.
India’s fight against black money has been dominated by punitive measures as it sends political signals. But this is primarily an economic problem which needs to be tackled through economic tools. Economic policies such as rollout of GST, which will provide traders and manufacturers an incentive to disclose transactions, are integral to dealing with the problem. In addition, a move to trim tax rates and simultaneously close down loopholes will make tax evasion an unattractive proposition. While policy changes are long term remedies, the immediate need is an income disclosure scheme to complement punitive measures.


http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatime...sclosure-scheme-to-complement-demonetisation/
 
Our ex PM Manmohan Singh who was silent all through the 10 years of organized loot in form of 2G, Commonwealth, Coal scams now calling demonetization as a organized loot shows his true colors...He continues to be in the shadow of the corrupt & dishonest SG gang...This will do no good to the GOP

Manmohan lashes out at Modi, calls demonetization an ‘organized loot’

“Those who say demonetisation is good in the long run should recall quote "In the long run we are all dead,” quipped Manmohan Singh during debate.

24 November 12:36 2016

New Delhi, November 24: The former Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh on Thursday lashed out at the Prime Minister Narendra Modi calling the demonetization an organised loot.
Participating in the debate on demonetization issue in Rajya Sabha , where Prime Minister Narendra Modi was also present, Dr Manmohan Singh said that monumental mismanagement has been undertaken in implementation of the move.
Former PM asked PM Modi to take note of the grievances of the people suffering.
“60-65 people have lost their lives, what has been done can weaken our people's confidence in currency and banking system. PM said wait for 50 days but for the poor section even 50 days can be detrimental ,” asked Manmohan Singh.
Criticizing the demonetization exercise, he said,” I want to ask PM that can he name any country where people have deposited their money but are not able to withdraw it. PM must come with some constructive proposal how we can implement the scheme.” Cooperative banking sector which is serving large number in the rural sector is not operational, alleged former Prime Minister who has been the governor of the Reserve Bank Of India also.
“Those who say demonetisation is good in the long run should recall quote "In the long run we are all dead,” quipped Manmohan Singh, taunting the Prime Minister and the ruling party .


http://www.indiasamvad.co.in/other-...alls-demonetization-an-‘organized-loot’-18051
 
[h=1]Curbing graft and terror, high growth, more jobs: Government lists the pros of demonetisation to SC[/h]TNN | Updated: Nov 25, 2016, 08.07 AM IST



[h=4]Highlights[/h]
  • The move would stamp out fake notes being pumped in by Pak, govt said
  • In an affidavit filed in SC, the Centre said it would put the economy on high growth path
  • Govt said it has adopted a “multi-pronged and calibrated approach” to eradicate black money



NEW DELHI: Justifying its decision to demonetise Rs 500, Rs 1,000 currency notes+ , the government told the Supreme Court on Thursday that the measure would stamp out black money+ and fake notes, being pumped in by Pakistan, and help the poor and middle class.

In an affidavit filed in the apex court, the Centre pointed out the positive impact of demonetisation+ and said its decision would put the economy on a high growth path that would create more jobs and make housing in urban areas affordable to the poor.

It said an estimated 22.4 lakh pieces of fake Rs 1,000 notes were in circulation in 2014-15 while the number of counterfeit Rs 500 notes were around 37.5 lakh.

The Centre said it has adopted a "multi-pronged and calibrated approach" to eradicate black money and promote cashless transactions and demonetisation+ is a step in that direction.

"The withdrawal of existing high denomination bank notes will curb funding of terrorists. It will eliminate black money which casts long shadow of the parallel economy on our real economy. The poor and middle class, who are worst sufferers due to black money, will be benefited. It will help reduce tax avoidance and bring more transactions into the formal economy," it said.

"Transborder terrorism, Left-wing extremism and domestic terrorism are being funded by black money. High denomination notes have been misused by terrorists and are known to facilitate generation and hoarding of black money," the Centre said.

It said hostile intelligence agencies, a clear reference to Pakistan's ISI, have not only been pumping in huge amount of fake Indian notes to finance terrorist groups and their operations in the country but also printing fake currency in large number to destabilise the nation.

Responding to the court's query on action taken by it to bring relief to the people facing problem due to cash crunch, the government said a high-level committee is monitoring the situation on a day-to-day basis and appropriate decisions were being taken to ensure that no one suffered due to the move.

"The exercise of replacement of old notes by way of exchange and deposit is being carried out on a large scale and involves 1.30 lakh bank branches, 1.5 lakh post offices, one lakh banking correspondents and 2.01 lakh ATMs. Further there are 14,43,595 points of sale (POS) which are online and the total number of outstanding cards is 2,59,43,784," the government said in its affidavit.




"There is excessive use of cash in the real estate sector due to large cash transactions in purchase of land and housing property. The real estate prices get pushed up artificially. This reduces the availability of affordable housing for the poor and the middle class. Greater over the board transactions will lead to a decline in real estate prices making housing affordable to all," it said.

"A thrust has been made for increasing the digital payments in the economy through credit and debit cards, internet banking, mobile apps and e-wallets. In the last ten days there has been a nearly 300 percent jump in the number of transactions that have taken place by the use of cards alone," it said.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...demonetisation-to-SC/articleshow/55610270.cms
 
It's been exactly two weeks since the new currency notes were sent to banks, yet in most parts of the country, only 20-25% of the average daily demand for cash is being met, according to banking sources.



Prior to November 8, the day PM Modi announced withdrawal of Rs 1,000 and Rs 500 notes as legal tenders, average daily cash transported across the country was between Rs 15,000 crore and Rs 20,000 crore. Although the Reserve Bank of India and cash logistics companies declined to share the value of currency notes being supplied to banks and post offices around the country, bankers put the figure at about a fourth to a fifth of the pre-demonetisation days.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Demonetisation-Only-25-of-daily-cash-demand-being-met/articleshow/55609931.cms
 
India may have launched a strike on black money hoarders, criminals counterfeiting high value notes and financiers of terrorist groups with its demonetization move, but weak law enforcement and deficiencies in the system have meant zero conviction rate when it comes to nabbing these frauds, say recent reports by the US State Department.
The country report on terrorism (2015) and the 2016 International Narcotics Control Strategy Report (INCSR) released this year have pointed out India's problem areas in effective legislation for criminal convictions involving anti money laundering (AML) and counter financing of terrorism (CFT).

While India has taken steps and widened the definition of Prevention of Money Laundering Act (PMLA), "deficiencies remain...and the government has not changed its enforcement model'', states the INSCR on 'Money Laundering and Financial Crime'.
The PMLA was introduced in 2002 and was amended in 2012 to align with international laws related to AML/CFT. The country report on terrorism adds that while these amendments were enacted, "the government has yet to implement the legislation effectively, especially with regard to criminal convictions".

Last year, the Ministry of Finance signed an MoU with the US department of Treasury to enhance co-operation against money laundering and terrorism financing. Accordingly, the two countries conducted a joint-dialogue on AML/CFT. Based on the information submitted by Indian authorities to the US as part of this cooperation, the International Narcotics Control Strategy Report states, "…the government has not won any court cases involving money laundering or confiscations." It also said "money laundering investigations without a predicate offense are rarely successfully prosecuted in the Indian judicial system and even if they are, the resulting punishment is often minimal,'' the INSCR report says.

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...iction-on-money-laundering-us-reports-2276699
 
Hitting the nail on the head..Very apt and powerful words by our PM

[h=1]Demonetisation critics are angry that they didn’t get even 72 hours to launder their stash, says Narendra Modi[/h]Written by Itika Sharma Punit
Nov 25, 2016




Prime minister Narendra Modi on Nov. 25 hit back at the critics of the sudden move to demonetise currency notes of Rs500 and Rs1,000 denominations.
Modi said that those complaining are not concerned about the problems faced by the common man.
“There is little criticism of this decision of the government. But what are some people criticising it for? They are critical of the fact that the government did not prepare well,” Modi said in Hindi, speaking at a function in New Delhi to mark the occasion of Constitution Day. “The issue is not that the government was not well prepared. Such people are pained that the government did not give anyone time to prepare… If they had got even 72 hours to prepare, they would have praised me and my decision.”
Modi was alluding to those who may have hoarded unaccounted money in the banned denominations and may not have got the time to convert them after the government’s Nov. 08 announcement set a midnight deadline that very day. Over the past few days, he has often hinted at the discomfort caused to the opposition parties by demonetisation, which is aimed at curbing unaccounted wealth and counterfeit currency.
The surprise move and the resultant liquidity crunch have unleashed a frenzy since the two denominations made for 86% of the money in circulation by value.
Over the last two weeks, millions of Indians have been suffering severely, with serpentine queues forming outside banks and dysfunctional ATMs. At least 55 persons have reportedly died in the aftermath of demonetisation, many even killing themselves out of desperation.
Modi’s decision has polarised economists, with many praising the move and many others slamming it, particularly the execution.
On Nov. 24, former Indian prime minister and respected economist, Manmohan Singh, called the demonetisation drive an “organised loot and legalised plunder.”
“I do not disagree with these objectives. But what I do want to point out is that in the process of demonetisation, monumental mismanagement has been undertaken [applause] about which there are no two opinions in the country as a whole,” Singh said in the Rajya Sabha.
A day later, Modi said the common Indian had become a “soldier” in this fight against corruption and black money. “It’s a big country and the decision is big. I only appeal to those who see the country’s bright future, come let use together solve the common man’s problems (created by demonetisation),” he said.
“Whenever there are global surveys on corruption, India stands in the front line. We have to hang our heads in shame. We have to change that and to do that, we will have to take decisions and follow them,” Modi said, claiming that the exercise had already begun showing results.
The prime minister said that data from 40-50 civic bodies had shown their tax collections rising to Rs13,000 crore since Nov. 08, from Rs3,000-3,500 crore they were earning earlier.
[h=2]Tech savvy[/h] Indians must take to digital currency to overcome the ongoing cash crunch situation, Modi said.
“Everyone has a right to their money. But it’s not necessary that you use your money only when you have currency notes in your hands. You can use your mobile phones to spend money wherever you want,” Modi said.
“The country has 65% of its population below 35 years years of age, over 100 crore mobile phones… technology and mobilephones, too, facilitate businesses… all banks have their own mobile apps. So, why should we not encourage and train people?” he said. “And it is not a difficult task. We learnt to use WhatsApp… we did not go to an engineering or IT college for that. The ease with which people forward messages on WhatsApp is the same ease with which we can shop using our mobile phone.”
At least 500 cities in the country can move to digital currency within this week if they wish to, Modi said.

http://qz.com/845956/demonetisation...rs-to-launder-their-stash-says-narendra-modi/
 
Useful for the common man!!

These are 23 places where you can still use your old Rs 500 note


Nov 25, 2016, 11.16 AM


The Prime Minister Narendra Modi-led government extended the use of old currency notes till December 15. The Cabinet took a decision to extend the relief deadline from November 24 to December 15. However, you can only use old Rs 500 notes at public utilities and other services and Rs 1000 cannot be used anywhere.

It was also decided that old notes will be only exchanged at RBI counters and old bank notes can only be deposited in banks. Still, there are many places where you can use your old Rs 500 banknote till December 15.

These are 23 places where you can still use it:

1. Payments towards pre paid mobile top-up to a limit of Rs. 500 per top-up.

2. Purchase from Consumer Cooperative Stores will be limited to Rs. 5000 at a time.

3. Payment of fees in Central or State Government colleges.

4. Foreign citizens will be permitted to exchange foreign currency up to Rs. 5000 per week. Necessary entry to this effect will be made in their passports.

5, Payment of current and arrear dues to utilities will be limited to only water and electricity. This facility will continue to be available only for individuals and households.

6. It has been decided that toll payment at toll plazas to be made through old Rs. 500 notes from Dec 3-15, 2016.

7. Payment of School fees up to Rs. 2000 per student in Central Government, State Government, Municipality and local body schools.

8. Government hospitals

9. Railway tickets

10. Public transport

11. Airline tickets at airports

12. Milk booths

13. Crematoria/burial grounds

14. Petrol pumps

15. Metro rail tickets

16. Medicine prescribed by a doctor

17. LPG gas cylinders

18. Railway catering

19. Power and water bills

20. Entry tickets of ASI monument

21. Consumer cooperative stores

22. Taxes and penalties to government bodies Court fees

23.Seeds at state-owned outlets

http://www.businessinsider.in/These...your-old-Rs-500-note/articleshow/55614217.cms
 
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Even as top bank officials try to allay fears of the common people, scarcity of lower denomination notes have plagued the capital and the rest of the state in the aftermath of the demonetization move.

Though queues at banks and ATM booths have shortened in Aizawl, the absence of the new Rs 500 note continues to create a problem.

Pradip Kumar Sen, Aizawl branch of SBI's assistant general manager, said Rs 2,000 and Rs 100 notes arrived on Sunday and were expected to ease the problem. However, even Rs 100 notes were no longer available by the evening of Monday.

"When new Rs 2,000 notes arrived, the acute cash shortage problem was eased to some extent, but the unavailability of corresponding Rs 500 and Rs 100 notes continued to create problems for both the consumers and businessmen," said Lalhruaia, an Aizawl local.

Those who withdraw cash from banks and ATMs can mostly withdraw Rs 2,000 notes, he said, adding that the need was more for Rs 500 and Rs 100 notes.

Meanwhile, people in the Khawbung rural development block area, which borders Myanmar, have done away with the use of Indian rupee notes and have adopted rudimentary paper notes due to the cash shortage.

Villagers had been engaging in cashless transactions. Shopkeepers who did not have change for bigger notes had been writing the amount due to the customer on a piece of paper which was being used to purchase other commodities later.

The village council president of the nearby Thekte village said the ration shopkeeper has been giving rice to villagers on credit and has resorted to maintaining accounts as there was a dearth of smaller denominations in the remote location.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...city-of-Rs-500-notes/articleshow/55572517.cms


Who cares about these villagers and their plight?
I suppose the Modi-fans live in posh suburbs of urban centers only.
 
Due to the almost absence of government or private bank branches in rural pockets of six Garhwal districts of Uttarakhand, people of the region are totally dependent on district cooperative banks.

However, the central government’s November 8 move to scrap the notes of Rs 500 and Rs 1,000 has left the people of the hill in lurch as cooperative banks were not empowered to participate in the demonetisation scheme implementation. Most of the locals in the region have their accounts in the cooperative banks, which don’t have new currency now.

Since people cannot withdraw their money, their day-to day life has been hit adversely.

Most of the Garhwal-based branches of the district cooperatives banks have either closed their offices, or have put up “no cash” boards outside since the note crisis started over two weeks ago. Some of the branches that are not operating are in places like Simli, Bhatoli, Adibadri, Jangal Chatti, Gairsain, Mehalchauri, Gaucher, Gopeshwar, Rudraprayag, Kund and Nandprayag.

There are over 600 branches of cooperative banks in the Garhwal region.


“We are left with no option but to run from pillar to post to get our own money,” said Balwant Singh Rawat, an account holder in Adibadri area on Ramnagar-Karanprayag Highway.



The manager of district cooperative branch at Rudraprayag said that the cash is being diverted to the city areas.

“Rs 100 and Rs 50 notes are being sent to the branches in city. The banks in rural areas are not getting adequate cash to cater to the needs of bank holders,” the manager said.

People in the area are facing a slew of problems. Most of the locals said that they are unable to deposit the fees of their children studying in schools and colleges.

Some of them are even finding it difficult to purchase essential commodities and other items of daily needs.http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...agers-living-on-edge/articleshow/55587727.cms

Vganeji you did not believe that villages in Bihar did not have banks in every village. This news is from Uttarakhand.
 
Akodara (Sabarkantha): Some 80km from Ahmedabad, in Sabarkantha district, lies Akodara village, which is home to some 1,200 people. It was hailed as a 'Digital Village' on January 2, 2015, when PM Narendra Modi felicitated the sarpanch at a function in Mumbai. The state government has collaborated with a private bank on the 'Digital Village' initiative and the centrepiece of it is a cashless SMS-based banking system. Despite the system, Akodara isn't unscathed by demonetization, as a good proportion of residents still use only cash.


At about 12.30pm on Monday, no sooner had a cash van replenished the village ATM than six or seven people queued up. A steady stream of people was seen at the village bank branch too, making deposits and exchanging invalid notes. Vipul Patel, a pan shop owner, explained how the cashless system works. "We SMS a transaction code, 1, 2, 3, 4 etc where, for instance, 4 is for a transfer, followed by the recipient's mobile number and then our account number," Patel said. "It works for amounts from Rs 10 to Rs 5,000. The money is transferred directly into the account." Amit Patel, who runs one of the six shops in the village, said: "On a normal day, I sell goods worth about Rs 6,000-7,000. Of this, about Rs 2,500 to Rs 3,000 is through the cashless system. It is mainly the youth who use it." The older generation still uses cash, he said. "There are also labourers and other people who do not have full documentation, who depend on cash," he said.


"The younger people use the SMS system. Older folk are not so comfortable with technology," village sarpanch Tara Patel. "My estimate is about 60% of the villagers use it. So, unlike the cities, there have not been any major problems here after demonetization."Pratik Panchal, the manager of the village branch of the private bank, said: "After demonetization, we did see a rush for exchange of notes on November 10. We have about 1,200 clients from this village and others from nearby areas." An account with the bank was mandatory for the cashless system, he said. "Our branch has fixed deposits of about Rs 25 lakh," he said. Javanji Parmar, a farmer, said: "I only use cash for my transactions and there are lots of people like me. The impression being given out that nobody uses cash here is not accurate."


Seema Prajapati, a shopkeeper who was at the bank to deposit cash, said: "My usual daily till is about Rs 7,000 and some 100 people buy from my shop every day. My estimate is more than 40% — the elderly and children — still use cash here. Taraji Parmar, 55, a customer at Prajapati's shop, said: "I use only cash. I don't even have a mobile. So there is no question of me using the payment system. With the notes becoming invalid, I too had trouble getting valid currency notes."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...illage-not-unscathed/articleshow/55549843.cms
 
A windfall to the Local Bodies!!

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Cash logistics companies and their sub-contractors and staff, who deal with the physical movement and storage of currency notes on the behalf of banks, have emerged as the biggest suspects in the illegal conversion of black money post demonetisation.
According investigating agencies, bank officials have even connived with cash management and ATM logistics companies to divert the new currency bundles that are on the way to banks. These notes are supposed to go to customers waiting in queues.
Recently, seven employees of Scientific Security Management Services (SSMS) Pvt Ltd, which loads cash into 128 ATMs of SBI, HDFC and few others, siphoned off about Rs 74 lakh cash (in Rs 100 and Rs 2,000 denominations) for converting black money into white - after taking a commission of 25 per cent. The Railway Protection Force personnel and Task Force arrested the accused at Samalkot in East Godavari. Most cash logistics companies sub-lease the service to third-party agencies as there are no RBI guidelines on cash-related services.
A top official of the Enforcement Directorate said, “The sub-contracted agencies of cash logistics companies are under the scanner as it was found that top staff of banks has actually tied up with them. Even the staff working in the banks are not aware of the operations as it happens on the way, when the cash is handed over to the agents of black money hoarders. This may also have happened when they hold the cash overnight.”
The Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce & Industry (FICCI) estimates there are around 6,000 cash vans that operate across the country carrying approximately Rs 15,000 crore of cash every day. The cash logistics industry also holds approximately Rs 4,000 crore of cash overnight.

DID someone start this thread saying it will lead to corruption free India? It started a new corruption.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...nk-staff-atm-fillers-siphoning-off-notes.html
 
Dr Singh described demonetisation as “organised loot” and “legalised plunder”. When millions of people with bank accounts are restrained from accessing their own money, what else does it amount to? More, the customers’ money — now flowing into banks in a conscripted way — will be used by banks to cover the bad loans given by them to the ultra-rich with good connections. That won’t really be a pro-poor measure. Who can object to the goal of ending corruption, black money, counterfeiting of currency, and terrorist funding? But the government self-righteously says its opponents criticise demonetisation as they support black money. But it has still to explain how any of these goals, all desirable, will be met by its demonetisation drive.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/opin...ill-the-centre-answer-manmohans-concerns.html
 
An analysis

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Source:
http://www.decimalpointanalytics.com/dpa/weeklydigest/24_November2016/index.html

“I PROMISE TO PAY THE BEARER THE SUM OF FIVE HUNDRED RUPEES – signed by the Governor (RBI)”.
This one small sentence printed on the Indian currency note of Rs. 500 denomination alongwith another phrase “GUARANTEED BY THE CENTRAL GOVERNMENT” gives the essence of money to a piece of paper.

Now, let us first see what this combination of sentence and phrase means:

Any person, whether Indian or Foreigner, can walk to the counters of any RBI branch and demand to be paid the equivalent rupees printed or minted by Government of India (GOI) in exchange of the currency note issued by RBI (Reserve Bank of India)
The GOI guarantees that RBI will have sufficient one rupee notes printed or coins minted by GOI to fulfill the above promise.

Implicit assumptions, in the above, is that:

In normal course of business, RBI will wait indefinitely for someone to come and ask to make good on the promise;
RBI requires the bearer to be merely having currency in its possession, and does not wish to know who the bearer of the currency is.
Two things have changed on the night of Eighth of November of Two Thousand and Sixteen. Both the implicit assumptions above have been challenged. Firstly, GOI/RBI have said the old high value notes have to be exchanged for new notes or else the old notes lose their value come 1st April 2017. Also, the operative guidelines for exchange are such that GOI will know who the bearers of the currency are as of close of business of Eighth November. Also, GOI has expressly prohibited use of old high value notes for trade except for a few exemptions.

In other words, what the media is calling demonetization is nothing but an elaborate inventory taking effort of the distribution of high value Indian currency notes. At the best it can be called as immobilization of old high value currency notes. As the first order effect, there is absolutely no loss of wealth or there is no transfer of wealth from someone to someone else, as no holder of currency is prevented from exchanging her old notes to new notes in any quantity. As the second order effect, till the new currency comes in circulation, there is definite friction in the small value transactions at retail shops due to paucity of currency. But, just as commerce does not emerge merely due to presence of a medium of exchange; petty commerce does not come to standstill if the medium of exchange is temporarily scarce, and there are interesting stories of how traders are finding ways to carry out genuine transactions in the face of paucity of currency. It must be noted that banks are open for trading, are well capitalized, and the cheque clearing and electronic clearing is functioning normally. Credit cards and debit cards, mobile wallets, digital money (more on this digital money later below) are operating normally. Hence, any large value, or wholesale, or business to business or electronic commerce should not see any friction at all in their operations.

The situation with regard to high value currency in India is just like the airport security check-in. At the airport to catch that one terrorist in tens of millions of passengers, everyone has to agree to the give up their privacy momentarily. All free democracies who care for the welfare of their innocent traveling public force them to security check-in. India, by asking people to forcefully reveal their identity and amount of high value currency owned, is showing that it is a mature, caring and free democracy which will go to any extent to enforce rule of law and weed out criminals from honest citizens. Now, the question begets, what is the rule of law that we are talking about and that will be discussed in detail below, after we differentiate the Indian demonetization / immobilization as against other demonetization of legal tenders.

Demonetization has occurred in the past for various reasons as described below:
Change in the coinage fractional decomposition of the national currency from archaic to decimal fraction. For example, introduction of decimal system in the UK in 1971. The cost of and the pain caused by this change is enormous as all the retail establishments, producers, distributors have to reprice, and relabel all the merchandize and the entire population have to get used to new system of counting money. There is no loss or redistribution of wealth as a first order effect.
Introduction of new monetary union on voluntary basis, such as joining Eurozone. Again the costs and the pain are very high and there is no loss or redistribution of wealth as a first order effect.

Breakup of nation states, for example introduction of Bangladeshi Taka In lieu of Pakistani Rupee. This costs of the pain are extremely high and what is worse they are borne at the time of extreme political turmoil.
Defeat in the face of Hyperinflation, for example demonetization of Zimbabwe Dollar. The redistribution of wealth happens due to hyperinflation. The economic costs are severe.

Demonetization to counter hoarding by criminals, for example cancellation of Euro 500 notes by ECB in May 2016.
Clearly the Indian move comes close to the recent ECB move, with a major difference. In Indian case, GOI is trying to Identify the holders of currency, while ECB is incapable of doing so, lacking sole authority of any single sovereign, due to irreparable design faults in the structure of the euro system.

Also, it can be easily seen that the costs of Indian demonetization/immobilization are much lower as compared to all other demonetization types save the #5 above. Now that it is established that the sole objective of the Indian immobilization is identifying criminals, let us see what categories of the criminals the system hopes to catch:

Unscrupulous businessmen who do not report their trade volume and profit to government and ignore paying both indirect and direct taxes, by dealing in cash instead of through banking channels where footprints can be traced.
Corrupt government officials who accept bribes in cash
Maoist extremists operating in the heartland of India using cash to run their operations
Islamic terrorists operating in the state of Jammu and Kashmir using forged Indian currency printed in Pakistan to run their operations
Bangladeshi gangs smuggling forged Indian currency printed in Pakistan

Islamic terror groups in Brussels supporting their co-conspirators in India.
All these various criminals have differing strategies to defeat the purpose of immobilization. However, based on various media reports, the criminals in category #3 through #5 have not been able to find a way out and their operations have stopped completely. It has been reported by Doordarshan (Indian TV channel) that that Brussels terrorists have taken huge hit on their holding of Indian currency stash.

The unscrupulous businessmen have found some ways to reduce the marginal impact on them by paying their employees advance salary using old currency and similar such tactics. However, based on the media reports, still huge amount of core cash holdings has been rendered useless for them unless they pay heavy penalty on the cash deposited in bank when Income Tax authorities and Indirect Tax authorities come calling. The taxes and penalties will exceed the illegal cash deposited, and hence most of the cash is unlikely to be exchanged for the fear of identification.

Similarly, the corrupt government officials will not have any way of exchanging cash for most of their ill-gotten holdings for the fear of identification.

Hence, it is likely that in spite of everyone being eligible for exchanging their old notes, many will not voluntarily choose to exchange, leading to distribution from the wealth from the criminals to the state.
Now on the issue of difficulty faced by Indians due to this immobilization. India has a population of 1310 million (2015 est) with about 279 million households. About 407 million of the population, or about 86 million households, is poor with consumption below Rs. 1000 per person per month1. If we note that the currency notes that are cancelled are of denominations of 500 and 1000, that is half-month and full-month per capita consumption, we can safely assume that this segment of population can go about their daily lives with smaller denomination notes provided they have jobs and income. Also the government has run special bank account scheme for the poor under financial inclusion and there were 255 million bank accounts2 as of 9th November under this financial inclusion scheme called “Jan Dhan.” Assuming half of the poor being adults, nearly every adult poor most likely has access to a bank account. Also, government has issued special debit cards to the poor to operate bank accounts and there were about 194 million such special debit cards on 9th November, that is about two special debit cards per poor household. Hence if the merchant is willing to accept, most poor can operate their bank accounts through debit card.
Now, for the remaining 193 million households who are not poor, the outstanding number of credit and ordinary debit cards is 544 million (removing special debits cards double count)3. That is just less than three debit/credit cards per household who is not classified as poor. In other words, most Indian households can potentially pay for their daily expenses using debit/card provided the merchant is willing to accept this mode of payment.

The issue lies in the willingness of merchants to accept debit/card cards for payments. As discussed above, many businesses want to transact in cash in order to avoid creating banking footprint so as to avoid paying indirect and direct taxes. Hence, hardship and slow commerce, if any is the solely due to corrupt business practices and not due to lack of banking facilities.
It would be interesting to note here that India is one of the first country in the world, possibly the only country in the world where the central bank has launched digital money through a special entity controlled by RBI. More information of digital money, launched recently without much fanfare can be found at (http://goo.gl/TJfEG7) .

The above analysis clearly shows that hardships if any caused in the retail trade is mainly due to intransience of the trading community and not due to lack of preparedness of the government.
Now, on the issue of old currency notes not exchanged for new notes. It is estimated that about Rs. 5 trillion worth of old currency will not be tendered for various reasons discussed. To the extent the legal tender expires worthless on 1st April 2017, the liabilities of RBI fall, without commensurate fall in the assets. Also, money supply falls by the same amount. A sudden long term fall in money supply is not advisable for a vibrant and fast growing economy like India. It is advisable that RBI notionally shows the untendered currency as tendered to it by GOI on 1st April 2017 and credit the account of GOI by the same amount. This will prevent destruction of money supply and its adverse effects on the economy.

The long term positives of this move are many. Some of them are mentioned below:
Behavioral change among consumers and businesses, with respect to use of formal payment channels.

Coupled with GST this behavior change would imply increase in tax compliance
Higher money velocity
Additional resources with government for social welfare, especially healthcare and education.

However, it should be noted that the current move is just one battle in the long-drawn war against corruption and for implementation of rule of law. The additional steps are required to address existing stock of unaccounted wealth held in the form of real estate and gold, or offshore banking accounts. Also additional steps are needed to further encourage cashless transactions across all sectors of the economy by having minimal explicit transaction costs on debit cards, bank transfers and digital money transactions and at the same time imposing tax on cash withdrawals.
 
The way I see it, minus the hoopla and claptrap, NaMo’s secret mission may cost him and his party big time in the long run. Uttar Pradesh elections chhodo. I am talking about the bigger one. Indians are used to taking the “patli gully”. Any headmasterji bringing a heavy ruler down on knuckles in the hope of “reforming” naughty children is bound to fail. Naughty children always win in the end. Indians always find ingenious ways to hoard cash and beat the system as ex-RBI governor Raghuram Rajan has warned. It’s just a matter of time before some wily genius cracks this crisis. And it will be back to business as usual. Then there is the other issue: Business people who have mastered the art of evading taxes and cheating people en masse are getting increasingly resentful of the present government. The only way to fight NaMo is to find and finance an alternative “leader”. At the moment, the only one on the horizon is Pappu Gandhi. The Congress Party has mastered the art of managing mega money for decades.Builders, industrialists, politicians are accustomed to the Congress way of doing business. There is a great deal of money floating out there... and that money is not about to let itself be converted into worthless toilet paper. Once the demonetised notes get “cleaned up” by a genie, they will once again be conveniently parked at hard-to-track destinations. This lolly will be pumped in to prop-up Pappu and his gang. It may take a year or so to achieve this disastrous objective. But what’s the bet dalals are at it already? Till then, the toiling masses will be forced to toil on. As a sage put it, corruption starts with politicians. It can only end with them. So long as the funding of political parties remains a shady, clandestine activity, funny money will continue to clog the system. There is growing and palpable unrest in the capital, and the “winter of our discontent” has just set in. If NaMo cannot come up with better mechanisms to navigate the calamity, the outcome may be terrible. Forget two more years of this administration... even two more months seem rocky right now.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/opin...take-winter-of-discontent-if-i-were-rich.html
 
Banks in metros have weekend holidays for sat and sunday.

Friday the bank opposite closed by 12 noon as they did not have cash.

Their ATM does not have cash until date.

It appears that govt is shifting focus to rural areas who are starved for money.

In urban most have collected for immediate needs .

Only those fronting for others are in lines.

Those with hoards of other money are going the hawala way with discounts of 30% plus.I understand.

Some axis bank employees were caught changing big amounts.in crores for their clients.
 
Today I stood in the ATM queue of a private Bank in Cyber City, Gurugram to withdraw...There were 30 people ahead of me..It took me exactly 30 minutes to withdraw...The limit is Rs 2500 per day in case you have account there, else Rs 2500...Most of my expenses are on cards...I did not mind standing in a queue...At best I may have to do once a week...Hope the situation improves by end of December
 
This is what I too expect!!

Now, Modi can turn kala dhan to Jan Dhan

November 27, 2016, 12:00 am IST SA Aiyar

Will demonetisation be a vote winner or loser for Prime Minister Modi? He has captured the moral high ground: many voters view him as the only politician willing to crack down on black money. He fared well in last week’s byelections.
But implementation has been badly bungled, and will hit economic growth for two or more quarters. In a worst-case scenario, this will mean a serious recession. Voters willing to tolerate temporary travails could turn savagely against Modi if a sinking economy crushes employment. Without new reforms, demonetisation cannot kill black money, which will soon boom again.
Yet Modi could emerge in total triumph, by combining imaginative accounting, populism and good economic sense. Almost Rs 15 lakh crore of high-value notes have been demonetised. Much of this will legitimately be deposited or exchanged for new currency notes. Many black hoards will be laundered at a discount, using middlemen to get through the bank accounts of the poor. Many people queuing up to exchange notes are being paid to do so. Jan Dhan accounts have suddenly swollen to Rs 64,000 crore.
Nevertheless, not all hoarders of high-value notes will be able to exchange or launder them by December-end. Nobody knows how large this un-encashed hoard will be. I suspect it may be 20% of the total, worth Rs 3 lakh crore.
In the accounts of the Reserve Bank of India, all outstanding currency notes are listed as its liabilities: the RBI is liable to pay every holder in smaller notes on demand. If Rs 3 lakh crore of notes remain un-encashed at December-end, this implies a corresponding fall in the RBI’s liabilities, giving it a huge windfall. This windfall can be written back into its profit-and-loss account as pure profit.
The RBI may want to keep some of the windfall for contingencies. But Modi can demand — and the RBI governor will surely agree — to hand over almost all the Rs 3 lakh crore to the government as a special dividend.
What will Modi do with this windfall? He can transfer a whopping Rs 10,000 into each of 250 million Jan Dhan accounts that have been opened since he came to power. This will absorb Rs 2.5 lakh crore, leaving Rs 50,000 crore for other purposes like infrastructure. He could also hold a lottery to distribute part of this Rs 50,000 crore to all other citizens, giving every voter a chance to benefit from the bonanza.
Maybe the un-encashed proportion of high-value notes will be only 10%, not 20% as assumed so far. That will mean a lesser bonanza of Rs 1.5 lakh crore. That will still suffice to put Rs 5,000 into every Jan Dhan account, and leave Rs 25,000 crore for other uses.
For two years, opposition parties have sneered that Modi has not implemented his election promise to smash black money and distribute it to Indian citizens. But now Modi can fulfil his pledge. He can legitimately say the extinguished notes represent cash clawed back from black money holders, and boast that he is now distributing this to the aam aadmi. Voters will cheer resoundingly.
This will be a political triumph. Opposition parties could argue this is not black money brought back from abroad. They could dispute Modi’s creative accounting, or even move the courts. But from a political viewpoint, opposition parties will look silly opposing a plan to benefit hundreds of millions of voters. Regardless of the technical or procedural objections of opposition parties, Modi will triumph politically.
Some critics will call this sheer populism. Very true, but so what? It will also represent good policy to rescue the economy from the recessionary trends caused by bungled implementation of demonetisation. Sector after sector of the economy has reported dislocations of transport and value chains, sharp declines in sales, and widespread non-payment of dues. GDP growth will take a significant hit.
The situation cries out for a stimulus to revive demand. Putting lakhs of crores into bank accounts of citizens will provide the classical economic remedy of a big demand stimulus. Poor people spend money fastest, so stimulating demand via Jan Dhan accounts will be good policy. The growth shock of bungled demonetisation can soon be offset by a consumer spending boom.
What could go wrong? Will the RBI governor say no? Will all outstanding notes get exchanged, leaving zero gain from non-encashment? That’s very unlikely. Watch out for a big Jan Dhan stimulus in the coming budget, maybe sooner.


http://blogs.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Swaminomics/now-modi-can-turn-kala-dhan-to-jan-dhan/
 
Many economists have predicted the failure of DM...But they are highly unrealistic...Let us have patience for another 34 days

Economists' criticism of demonetisation not fact-based: Bibek Debroy

November 27, 2016 10:59


Hitting out at economists for criticising demonetisation, Niti Aayog member Bibek Debroy has said that critics are unaware of the government's financial inclusion programme and their understanding of the situation is based on views expressed in English language newspapers.

"They (economists living abroad) base their understanding essentially on reading English newspapers. Otherwise, how would they know? English language newspapers understood many things wrongly," Debroy told PTI when asked to react on comments of former World Bank Chief Economist Kaushik Basu and other economists who have criticised demonetisation.

"Where does Dr Basu work now? He is based in US. I have a great deal of respect for him...That someone who is away from India may not necessarily be aware what is happening in India," he added.

The eminent economist said Basu will probably react to things like financial inclusion on the basis of data that is three years old, adding, "He (Basu) does not know what happened as a result of Pradhan Mantri Jan Dhan Yojana."

Under PMJDY, 25 crore bank accounts were opened.

Basu, who was also Chief Economic Advisor in Ministry of Finance, had on November 11 said that Modi government's decision to demonetise high denomination currency notes is not 'good economics' and the collateral damage of demonetisation is likely to far outstrip the benefits.

Lawrence 'Larry' Summers, a former chief economist of the World Bank and ex-economic advisor to the US President had described the Indian government's demonetisation steps as the "most sweeping changes in currency policy in the world in decades.

http://news.rediff.com/commentary/2...bibek-debroy/02ad9d1039a97ef0637e4582eada3185
 
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