Discussion about the book Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus by Bharat Jhunjhunwala

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Discussion about the book Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus by Bharat Jhunjhunwala

@renuka I'm responding to your post because I read the book you mention. However, I couldn't respond, so I made a thread.

In the middle of your post you @renuka wrote
"Bharat Jhunjhunwala, well-known columnist, is now busy compiling a full book on the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram. Valmiki Ramyana talks of one single God and speaks about Pralay (Qayamat). In one of the Hindu scriptures,"

Here's Bharat Jhunjhunwala's book

Common Prophets
Of the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus
Author Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Here's your @renuka post and can read it at thread.

Post in thread 'War cry in holy cities A storm is gathering along the banks of river Ganges.'

Jul 7, 2014

Some debatable facts here and there but overall makes a good read and good message for people to Focus on God alone..worth a read.


Let Sai Baba controversy strengthen the movement for Worship of God alone!

June 25, 2014

By Dr Javed Jamil

Shirdi’s Sai Baba has undoubtedly outdone all other Hindu saints in terms of growing popularity among Hindus in the last century. While there is little doubt that he was a Muslim Sufi saint with unadulterated devotion to one “MaaliK”, his Hindu devotees outnumber Muslims by a huge...

• renuka

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Now I'll @Learning ask a question from book and from @renuka post so to begin this discussion

From your post @renuka

"Bharat Jhunjhunwala, well-known columnist, is now busy compiling a full book on the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram. Valmiki Ramyana talks of one single God and speaks about Pralay (Qayamat). In one of the Hindu scriptures,"

From Book I think I learned that 'AB' means father. And Ram or Rama is Abraham or ABram. 'AB'ram from Indus Valley ancient India.

What do you think are the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram?
What I learned so far from this book is that AB means father, so AB is the 'father' of Ram. Abram AB Rama. Father of Rama

What are your thoughts about this?

Oh even though this wasn't in the book, later online I learned about Tamil language.
What are the thoughts of Tamil language and the people who speaks Tamil and about the word father? What word to Tamil language have for father? Tamil language is the mother language yes? And there's what for father? And does this attach to word, example 'AB'ram?

I'm learning.

Now my rambling.

Oh I didn't learn anything about Tamil in the book, however recently I learned about Tamil online and learn that Tamil language is a mother language. So was Tamil language before Sanskrit language happened? This area wasn't from the book Common Prophets, about these two languages, however I'll include this in this discussion due to I kept noticing languages forming.

This came about because I kept seeing how languages were forming

Example AB means father. Then Father of what, in this case Ram or Rama. Father Ram?

Yet this happened in Indus Valley area, what about south India area, what happened in south India during this time? That's my question I have after reading book common prophets.

This area is confusing for me, northern India and southern India

Even though this book shown in the Indus Valley area that's northern India, due to this, later I adventure learning about southern India and that's when I learn Tamil language a mother language.

From Book: Krishna left Indus Valley and went to an unknown area, this book takes a closer look at where this unknown area is that Krishna went to.

Here's website

Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians & Muslims and Hindus

www.commonprophets.com

What are your thoughts about all of this?

 

[renuka]

Discussion about the book Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus by Bharat Jhunjhunwala

@renuka I'm responding to your post because I read the book you mention. However, I couldn't respond, so I made a thread.

In the middle of your post you @renuka wrote
"Bharat Jhunjhunwala, well-known columnist, is now busy compiling a full book on the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram. Valmiki Ramyana talks of one single God and speaks about Pralay (Qayamat). In one of the Hindu scriptures,"

Here's Bharat Jhunjhunwala's book

Common Prophets
Of the Jews, Christians, Muslims and Hindus
Author Bharat Jhunjhunwala

Here's your @renuka post and can read it at thread.

Post in thread 'War cry in holy cities A storm is gathering along the banks of river Ganges.'

Jul 7, 2014

Some debatable facts here and there but overall makes a good read and good message for people to Focus on God alone..worth a read.


Let Sai Baba controversy strengthen the movement for Worship of God alone!

June 25, 2014

By Dr Javed Jamil

Shirdi’s Sai Baba has undoubtedly outdone all other Hindu saints in terms of growing popularity among Hindus in the last century. While there is little doubt that he was a Muslim Sufi saint with unadulterated devotion to one “MaaliK”, his Hindu devotees outnumber Muslims by a huge...

• renuka

• 

Now I'll @Learning ask a question from book and from @renuka post so to begin this discussion

From your post @renuka

"Bharat Jhunjhunwala, well-known columnist, is now busy compiling a full book on the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram. Valmiki Ramyana talks of one single God and speaks about Pralay (Qayamat). In one of the Hindu scriptures,"

From Book I think I learned that 'AB' means father. And Ram or Rama is Abraham or ABram. 'AB'ram from Indus Valley ancient India.

What do you think are the similarities between Ibrahim (RA) and Ram?
What I learned so far from this book is that AB means father, so AB is the 'father' of Ram. Abram AB Rama. Father of Rama

What are your thoughts about this?

Oh even though this wasn't in the book, later online I learned about Tamil language.
What are the thoughts of Tamil language and the people who speaks Tamil and about the word father? What word to Tamil language have for father? Tamil language is the mother language yes? And there's what for father? And does this attach to word, example 'AB'ram?

I'm learning.

Now my rambling.

Oh I didn't learn anything about Tamil in the book, however recently I learned about Tamil online and learn that Tamil language is a mother language. So was Tamil language before Sanskrit language happened? This area wasn't from the book Common Prophets, about these two languages, however I'll include this in this discussion due to I kept noticing languages forming.

This came about because I kept seeing how languages were forming

Example AB means father. Then Father of what, in this case Ram or Rama. Father Ram?

Yet this happened in Indus Valley area, what about south India area, what happened in south India during this time? That's my question I have after reading book common prophets.

This area is confusing for me, northern India and southern India

Even though this book shown in the Indus Valley area that's northern India, due to this, later I adventure learning about southern India and that's when I learn Tamil language a mother language.

From Book: Krishna left Indus Valley and went to an unknown area, this book takes a closer look at where this unknown area is that Krishna went to.

Here's website

Common Prophets of the Jews, Christians & Muslims and Hindus

www.commonprophets.com

What are your thoughts about all of this?

Wow, I wrote that way back in 2014.
I didnt even remember I wrote that post.

I wish I could reply you but I find the topic way out my mental capacity now.
These days I prefer not to analyze religions anymore..not keen for comparative religion either..when I was younger I used to be interested in all these.
But as I aged, I realized analysis only adds data to my mind.
I am not in the data accumulating stage in my life.


The only thing I can say is Ibrahim( pbuh) is not Shree Rama.

Coming to Tamil and Sanskrit as in which came first, once upon a time this would have mattered to me.
Recently I got to know that Yogis in Himalayas use Sandhya language to codify everything.
It seems Sandhya language is purely a yogic language " spoken" in code and its vocabulary is only for spiritual matters and no vocabulary for mundane life.

So now which language came first doesnt make a difference to me as the language of silence is what we all go to finally.

But I cant help noticing that whenever we humans get an idea that pops up in our brain, we tend to say " aha"

This somehow is fascinating because
अ ( a) is the first sound in the sanskrit phonetics and ह (ha) is the last sound in the. sanskrit phonetics.


Coming to meaning of Abram.
I do not know Hebrew but I know Arabic which is also a Semetic language and quite similar.

Ab means Father in Arabic.
Coming to the word ram..its supposed to mean elevated and high in Hebrew.
But since I dont know Hebrew, I will only relate what I know in Arabic..in Arabic the word rAma( رام) has meanings which range from " to throw, to fling, to hurl, also means an archer and marksman/ sharpshooter and last but not least it means high/ elevated.

Thats why rAmallah the name of a city in Palestine.. means God's Height in Arabic.
rAma= height
Allah = God

So the Arabic meaning of abrAm matches the Hebrew meaning of " Elevated Father".

I hope my answers are sufficient for now.
I am truly sorry that I might not be able to contribute much.

 

[prasad1]

Just a distraction. Not trying to hijack the thread. The name Abram Khan. https://www.bollywoodbiography.in/abram-khan.html

• During his appearance on Aap Ki Adalat with Rajat Sharma, Shah Rukh Khan was asked by a fan about the reason behind naming his youngest son AbRam and its meaning. Khan explained that Hazrat Ibrahim in Islam is known as Abraham in the Bible, and in Judaism, it's Abram.

 

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@renuka @prasad1

Thank you for responding

@renuka you wrote the first language is silence

So now which language came first doesnt make a difference to me as the language of silence is what we all go to finally.

@renuka
Can you explain more about the language of silence?

My understanding of the language of silence—I use the word cycle.

The word I use is cycle, as my thoughts would cycle with Brahma's thoughts, and this is instant. It's two thoughts cycling. My thoughts, Brahmans thoughts, cycling. This I would write: I allow Brahman to teach me in the midst of my thoughts and emotions, and Brahman feeds me light—fire burns in my heart. Can you relate?

@prasad1 you wrote quote below

During his appearance on Aap Ki Adalat with Rajat Sharma, Shah Rukh Khan was asked by a fan about the reason behind naming his youngest son AbRam and its meaning. Khan explained that Hazrat Ibrahim in Islam is known as Abraham in the Bible, and in Judaism, it's Abram.

@prasad1 when I search Hazrat Ibrahim I found this and I saw Nuh in this descendance. Nuh was Noah who's also Vaivaswat Manu? Do Muslims/Islams use the word Manu too?

Prophet Ibrahim Family Tree

What do Tamil Brahmins think about the word Manu and about local floods and how this forms past stories to be passed down? Do you as a tamil have past stories about local floods?

Because thread discussion of book I read.
From book Common Prophets by Bharat Jhunjhunwala I read about a local flood in Jalore ancient India.

Were there any local flooding similar to what happened in Jalore ancient India, due to a bowl shape of land? Are there any bowl shape area in southern India, or is this more only in northern India? Because how would local flooding happen in southern India similar to northern India ever?

Are there any bowl shape land in southern India similar to in Jalore ancient India? I'll need to look online to see?

Can you relate to this, I'll show you Jalore India and where the Meena community thinks their descendance from Vaivaswat Manu?

This fish needs to be huge that's a question I had, because the horn was what helped.

To have a horn on the fish and able to pull boat by hooking onto that horn, how come this fish realized to help guide this boat, how?

How does Vaivaswat Manu tell this fish where to go?

Or did the huge fish just figure it out how to save Vaivaswat Manu, yet how many people were on this boat?

How did a local flood story because a global flood story how?

No huge fish in Noah Nuh story how come compared to story about Vaivaswat Manu a fish helped.

Were there ever a huge fish that ever helps Brahmins Tamils, do you know any past stories about this? Did any fish ever helped you, how?

I'll show you more

Here's Jalore India, what are your thoughts about this area?

Look at that bowl shape and this is where the local flood was at, that then later became the Noah story Or Nuh story, yet this is Vaivaswat Manu story from the Meena Community, is there a similar story in southern ancient India do you know?

What name did Tamil people in southern India have for Nuh, Noah, Vaivaswat? Are there any people from the Meena community ever in southern India ever, or if not, how come, what prevented this?

What were the communities in southern India ever migrated in this area, were there any?

Did Tamil Brahmins ever use sea shells to buy things, how did Tamil Brahmins trade with other tribes, do you know?

How did people survive such situations such as droughts and floods?

What do Brahmins think about all of this?

Have you ever been through a drought or flood before, how did you manage your emotions?

What things did you learn through droughts and floods?

 

[OKO]

How did a local flood story because a global flood story how?

All cultures have a similar story regarding the "great flood" myth . Some believe it's because any of the following reasons:

1. Post ice-age tale recounting the flood that occurred and the search for higher ground
2. It's just a natural phenomenon that occurs world wide. Humans have always settled down by the coast and rivers, time immemorial. Eventually, there comes a day when the river changes its course, which causes a flood or tsunamis as well.

A lot of stories are common because at the end of the day, all humans are connected and the deviances that occur within our societies are not too grave. We like to believe that we are all special and different but that could not be further from the truth. The veil of difference that we wear is a phenomenon born out globalisation and the primal instinct to protect ourselves (at least that's what I believe, also globalisation as in the pre-historic included as well).

Some tales and ideas or notions may be shared owing to massive migration from a location in waves or a shared history like the similarities between the romani saint sarah or sara-la-kâli with the hindu deity kali, the avestan (zoaratrian's liturgical language) ahura and daeva with the sanskrit asura and deva. The cultural exchange between different human tribes predates our personal estimation of it.

 

[renuka]

@renuka @prasad1

Thank you for responding

@renuka you wrote the first language is silence



@renuka
Can you explain more about the language of silence?

My understanding of the language of silence—I use the word cycle.

The word I use is cycle, as my thoughts would cycle with Brahma's thoughts, and this is instant. It's two thoughts cycling. My thoughts, Brahmans thoughts, cycling. This I would write: I allow Brahman to teach me in the midst of my thoughts and emotions, and Brahman feeds me light—fire burns in my heart. Can you relate?

For me the language of silence is having less thoughts in my mind by increasing the latent period between one thought and another.

Since you used the word Cycle, I would relate to the language of silence using the slang word "Cycle Gap" in Tamil movies and songs.

The Cycle Gap usage in Tamil songs talks about a short period of time where one gets to do things( mostly unnnoticed)

For me the language of silence is to increase the time span of the " Cycle Gap".

Somewhat the time expansion effect by keeping the thoughts per second less..eg in meditation when thought waves are less, the Cycle Gap effect is felt and there is at times temporary slowing down of breath too and the gap between inhalation and exhalation increases.
This " twilight zone of neither inhaling nor exhaling" is when we are totally silent and its this point we gain insights that flash in our brain like messages..it could be audio or visual messages.
The messages mostly are from our subconscious and relate to things we need to work on.

I have no experience with Brahman's thoughts as you have experienced.


Regards

 

[sravna]

Silence in mind is actually creation of the most subtle thoughts possible that it goes off unnoticed but with deepest impact.