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God Exists

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But some one has defined Faith to mean suspension of reasoning.

Dear ALL and Mr. Moderator:

This Thread need not be in this General Section this long... this can be moved to specialized sections like "Religion & Spirituality" or the like.

Since this "God Exists" is in the GS, Atheists are responding to the posts as a counter point, which has wrecked the Community.

By definition,

Atheists are against the Theism and all that it stands for.

Unfortunately, the followers of Theism get offended personally to any counter point expressed here.

Clearly, Theism is about someone's FAITH and BELIEF in a Super Natural Agent called God, who expects Aaradhana in the form of PPB. And Theists of Hinduism believe in the JPK.

Naturally, Atheists are against this IDEA from the beginning to the end... and this brings "personal mockery" to the Theists.

Therefore, for the sake of tangible peace in the Community, I suggest that the "God Exists" Thread can be taken to its appropriate specialized Section.

This does not belong here in the General Section, where most of the Atheists are.

Cheers.

:)

ps. Yamaka always is going for "Solutions" to problems! Lol :)
 
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Dear ALL and Mr. Moderator:This Thread need not be in this General Section this long... this can be moved to specialized sections like "Religion & Spirituality" or the like.Since this "God Exists" is in the GS, Atheists are responding to the posts as a counter point, which has wrecked the Community.By definition,Atheists are against the Theism and all that it stands for. Unfortunately, the followers of Theism get offended personally to any counter point expressed here.Clearly, Theism is about someone's FAITH and BELIEF in a Super Natural Agent called God, who expects Aaradhana in the form of PPB. And Theists of Hinduism believe in the JPK.Naturally, Atheists are against this IDEA from the beginning to the end... and this brings "personal mockery" to the Theists.Therefore, for the sake of tangible peace in the Community, I suggest that the "God Exists" Thread can be taken to its appropriate specialized Section.This does not belong here in the General Section, where most of the Atheists are.Cheers.:)ps. Yamaka always is going for "Solutions" to problems! Lol :)

That quote "Faith means suspension of reasoning" is from one of my posts.I explained that the Sanskrit word Shraddha has a different meaning. No one is taking offense as far as I know with opposing ideas that is presented here.There may be style and choice of words used that may cause some to question the motives of such posts.

Since this question is address to All (and not just the Moderator) I am responding.

I personally do not see critical thinking and logical analysis in most of the arguments presented in some of the posts claiming to take the side of Atheism. I see such posts as just repeating an assertion over and over like a person of faith would do. Now my statement is not an attack against Atheism or Atheists but only assert that such posts supposedly taking side of Atheism does not make a case in my mind. Thus such posts also show 'faith' which mean suspension of reason.
 
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Actually the Sanskrit word Shraddha is loosely translated as Faith which has a special meaning in Biblical religions.

Swami Vivekananda referred to Shraddha which does not have an equivalent term in English
Yes, the word Shraddha cannot be adequately described in English. I will have to disagree with you,
if you are using Shraddha to convey 'the suspension of reasoning'.

The opening phrase in Katopanishad says:
त ूँ कुमारं सन्तं दक्षिणासु
नियमानासु श्रद्धाविवेश सोऽमन्यत ||

No english translation has been able to provide consistent or good enough explanation to the use of Shraddha here. One explanation says " Shraddha entered (or filled) the heart of Nachiketas, who though young resected";
It is do with own conviction and an independent sense of thinking - which cannot be dubbed as suspension.
of course, one can argue that this translation is wrong without having to supply one.
 
Yes, the word Shraddha cannot be adequately described in English. I will have to disagree with you,
if you are using Shraddha to convey 'the suspension of reasoning'.

The opening phrase in Katopanishad says:
त ूँ कुमारं सन्तं दक्षिणासु
नियमानासु श्रद्धाविवेश सोऽमन्यत ||

No english translation has been able to provide consistent or good enough explanation to the use of Shraddha here. One explanation says " Shraddha entered (or filled) the heart of Nachiketas, who though young resected";
It is do with own conviction and an independent sense of thinking - which cannot be dubbed as suspension.
of course, one can argue that this translation is wrong without having to supply one.

Actually my point (not made explicitly) is that Shraddha is NOT about suspension of reason.
So you do not have to disagree !
 
Actually the Sanskrit word Shraddha is loosely translated as Faith which has a special meaning in Biblical religions.

Swami Vivekananda referred to Shraddha which does not have an equivalent term in English

Shri TKS,

The sanskrit word viswasam more closely matches faith, Sraddha is difficult to translate into english.

Regds,
 
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WHY WE SHOULD VISIT TEMPLES?

(Scientific Reason)
There are thousands of temples all over India in different size, shape and locations but not all of them are considered to be built the Vedic way. Generally, a temple should be located at a place where earth's magnetic wave path passes through densely. It can be in the outskirts of a town/village or city, or in middle of the dwelling place, or on a hilltop. The essence of visiting a temple is discussed here.

Now, these temples are located strategically at a place where the positive energy is abundantly available from the magnetic and electric wave distributions of north/south pole thrust. The main idol is placed in the core center of the temple, known as "*Garbhagriha*" or *Moolasthanam*. In fact, the temple structure is built after the idol has been placed. This *Moolasthanam* is where earth’s magnetic waves are found to be maximum. We know that there are some copper plates, inscribed with Vedic scripts, buried beneath the Main Idol. What are they really? No, they are not God’s / priests’ flash cards when they forget the *shlokas*. The copper plate absorbs earth’s magnetic waves and radiates it to the surroundings. Thus a person regularly visiting a temple and walking clockwise around the Main Idol receives the beamed magnetic waves and his body absorbs it. This is a very slow process and a regular visit will let him absorb more of this positive energy. Scientifically, it is the positive energy that we all require to have a healthy life.

Further, the Sanctum is closed on three sides. This increases the effect of all energies. The lamp that is lit radiates heat energy and also provides light inside the sanctum to the priests or *poojaris* performing the pooja. The ringing of the bells and the chanting of prayers takes a worshipper into trance, thus not letting his mind waver. When done in groups, this helps people forget personal problems for a while and relieve their stress. The fragrance from the flowers, the burning of camphor give out the chemical energy further aiding in a different good aura. The effect of all these energies is supplemented by the positive energy from the idol, the copper plates and utensils in the *Moolasthan*am / *Garbagraham*. *Theertham*, the “holy” water used during the pooja to wash the idol is not
plain water cleaning the dust off an idol. It is a concoction of Cardamom,*Karpura* (Benzoin), zaffron / saffron, *Tulsi* (Holy Basil), Clove, etc...Washing the idol is to charge the water with the magnetic radiations thus increasing its medicinal values. Three spoons of this holy water is distributed to devotees. Again, this water is mainly a source of magneto-therapy. Besides, the clove essence protects one from tooth decay, the saffron & *Tulsi* leafs protects one from common cold and cough, cardamom and *Pachha Karpuram* (benzoin), act as mouth fresheners. It is proved that *Theertham* is a very good blood purifier, as it is highly energized. Hence it is given as *prasadam* to the devotees. This way, one can claim to remain healthy by regularly visiting the Temples. This is why our elders used to suggest us to offer prayers at the temple so that you will be cured of many ailments. They were not always superstitious. Yes, in a few cases they did go overboard when due to ignorance they hoped many serious diseases could be cured at temples by deities. When people go to a temple for the *Deepaaraadhana*, and when the doors open up, the positive energy gushes out onto the persons who are there. The water that is sprinkled onto the assemblages passes on the energy to all. This also explains why men are not allowed to wear shirts at a few temples and women are requested to wear more ornaments during temple visits. It is through these jewels (metal) that positive energy is absorbed by the women. Also, it is a practice to leave newly purchased jewels at an idol’s feet and then wear them with the idol’s blessings. This act is now justified after reading this article. This act of “seeking divine blessings” before using any new article, like books or pens or automobiles may have stemmed from this through mere observation.

Energy lost in a day’s work is regained through a temple visit and one is refreshed slightly. The positive energy that is spread out in the entire temple and especially around where the main idol is placed, are simply absorbed by one's body and mind. Did you know, every Vaishnava(Vishnu devotees), “must” visit a Vishnu temple twice every day in their location. Our practices are NOT some hard and fast rules framed by 1 man and his followers or God’s words in somebody’s dreams. All the rituals, all the practices are, in reality, well researched, studied and scientifically backed thesis which form the ways of nature to lead a good healthy life.


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"God' is or 'God' is not? How can 'God' exist? 'Existence', as we know of it, implies a beginning and an end! Is not 'God' without a beginning and an end?

I do not believe your definition of the word is correct.

existence
1. the state or fact of existing; being.
2. continuance in being or life; life: a struggle for existence.
3.mode of existing: They were working for a better existence.
4.all that exists: Existence shows a universal order.
5.something that exists; entity; being.

Existence - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

The state or fact of having being especially independently of human consciousness and as contrasted with nonexistence <the existence of other worlds>
b : the manner of being that is common to every mode of being
c : being with respect to a limiting condition or under a particular aspect


Existence does not require birth and death. There can be perpetual existence.
 
Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

With due respect to your message in post #2485, Sri. Mayuram V. Sankaran highlights the Tamil word 'kadavul' (கடவுள்) which is loosly translated as 'God'. The word 'kadavul' denotes an entity that surpassed all known measurable quantities like time and space. எல்லாம் கடந்து உள்ளே இருப்பதுthat means, god is in an entity that is beyond everything. It is like mentioning as ' lets assume the pivot at the middle!'.. Sri. Sankaran asks, 'why should we assume that? The pivot has to be in the middle; why should we assume as if there can be a different choice!?'. Just thought of mentioning....

Cheers!
 
Arunagirinathar has mentioned in his verses that we should pray
at least to the God half a minute a day. There are certain unusual
things in some temples to indicate the existence of God. There are
two flag posts in Parthasarathy Temple in Triplicane, Chennai. In
Devigapuram Kanaga Giriswarar Temple, we can see two Lingas
in Garpagraham. In Tharamangalam, Salem, Mariamman Temple of
Kannanur, there are two Deities i.e. Kaliamman and Mariamman are
in the same platform in the Garpa Griham. In Korukkai, Brahmapureeswar
Temple, we can notice two Nandhi Idols in front of Lord Sivan and
Ambal. Similarly, in Villianur Village of Puduchery, in the Thirukameeswarar
Temple, we can notice two Nandi Idols in front of Amman Sannithanam.
Like this we can find two identical ones in some temples which are very
novel.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur
 
Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

With due respect to your message in post #2485, Sri. Mayuram V. Sankaran highlights the Tamil word 'kadavul' (கடவுள்) which is loosly translated as 'God'. The word 'kadavul' denotes an entity that surpassed all known measurable quantities like time and space. எல்லாம் கடந்து உள்ளே இருப்பதுthat means, god is in an entity that is beyond everything. It is like mentioning as ' lets assume the pivot at the middle!'.. Sri. Sankaran asks, 'why should we assume that? The pivot has to be in the middle; why should we assume as if there can be a different choice!?'. Just thought of mentioning....

Cheers!
I do not have problem with the word "kadavul". I was just explaining word Existence.
Thanks
 
Shri TKS,

The sanskrit word viswasam more closely matches faith, Sraddha is difficult to translate into english.

Regds,

I still feel the word Shraddha is the best to describe even though it's hard to translate into English.
Just like the word Dharma is very hard to define in English.


Visvasam is more like a person who is having a servant in whom he can place all trust cos that servant has Visvasam towards his employer.

It's more like a servant master situation and here even the master is dependent on the servant but that's not the case with God.
We are dependent on God and not vice versa.

Even in Dasya Bhava devotion to God the word Visvasam is not used as far as I know.Shraddha and Bhakti is used often to describe divine relationship of the Dasya kind.
Visvasam is used more for human to human dependent and interdependent relationships and situations.


Where else Shraddha is something we can feel ourselves and is specifically used to describe relationship and communion with God.

Shraddha is best described as "Steadfast Devotional Faith in God"
 
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Visvasam can be misplaced, because it is a judgement, and reciprocal.
Shraddha is faith.

Wow .. this thread is resurrected again :-)
Shraddha is *not* faith (which has a biblical meaning).
Faith is same as 'blind faith'
- That means suspension of ability to reason and understand.

This word Shraddha cannot be translated correctly. However a good starting point for a child is 'faith' only to be replaced by correct understanding and reason with knowledge. Another misunderstood but related word is SaraNAgathi
 
"God Exists" or not can be proved many ways. But the author of the story explained in his way. When i was in Chennai, i was in a barber shop and the same question started there also. The barber and the person on the chair were discussing this. The argument was louder and both are not convincing to each other's argument. In this juncture, I intervened and ask them the following questions.
1) If you see the leafes of different trees, although they are green, each has different green colour.
2) Who has given sweetness or bitterness to fruits
3) Who has kept water inside tender coconut.
4) How rain water is pottable although it's origin is from sea water?
5) Why body becomes useless when it's atma moves out?
6) wHO wakes u up in the early morning?

I told them that there is a power, you call it as GOD or POWER or ENERGY. It is upto u. But arguing that non-existence of this POWER is nothing but cutting the hair without instrument.
 
In a tv interview of Ilaiyaraja by Anu Hasan, the conversation went like this:
IR: You have no faith in God?
AH: True, I have no faith in God
IR: That itself , not believing in God, is a faith. Do you agree?
AH: Yes!
 
In a tv interview of Ilaiyaraja by Anu Hasan, the conversation went like this:
IR: You have no faith in God?
AH: True, I have no faith in God
IR: That itself , not believing in God, is a faith. Do you agree?
AH: Yes!

The question "not believing in God, is a faith" by IR is wrong
Not believing in God is atheism and it is lack of faith
Bertrand Russell noted, "Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence." In the rationalist view, belief should be restricted to direct observation in the past and present
 
The question "not believing in God, is a faith" by IR is wrong
Not believing in God is atheism and it is lack of faith
Bertrand Russell noted, "Where there is evidence, no one speaks of 'faith'. We do not speak of faith that two and two are four or that the earth is round. We only speak of faith when we wish to substitute emotion for evidence." In the rationalist view, belief should be restricted to direct observation in the past and present

I agree with IR..For a person to say he/she does NOT believe that means he/she has to negate a particular belief or thought.

One needs to have faith in one self even to say "Not This Not This".
 
I agree with IR..For a person to say he/she does NOT believe that means he/she has to negate a particular belief or thought.

One needs to have faith in one self even to say "Not This Not This".
It is the other way round, this is called "Burden of Proof" you said "For a person to say he/she does NOT believe that means he/she has to negate a particular belief or thought" the person not believing need not negate anything because the person just does not believe in it ( the person says there is nothing like that) what is there to negate, the burden of proof lies with the other person
 
In a tv interview of Ilaiyaraja by Anu Hasan, the conversation went like this:
IR: You have no faith in God?
AH: True, I have no faith in God
IR: That itself , not believing in God, is a faith. Do you agree?
AH: Yes!

Assuming that the interview was in Tamil can you tell me what were the Tamil words used by IR for "believing" and "faith" or can you translate this in tamil "not believing in God, is a faith"
 
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I agree with IR..For a person to say he/she does NOT believe that means he/she has to negate a particular belief or thought.

One needs to have faith in one self even to say "Not This Not This".
What do you mean "faith in one self" we are talking about faith in God here
 
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