God Exists

[Yamaka]

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Mr Yamaka,

There is no need to be rude. The title gives the OP's opinion. You may disagree with it. He is not obliged to provide you or anyone else with any tangible arguments to prove his opinion. His/her opinion is formed based on his/her life experience, just as you keep proclaiming you are an atheist based on your life experience.

Let me just point out that you accept the power of Nature. People like me call it God. You seem to be freely mixing organized religion and it's rituals with God. I believe they are unrelated.

I respect your opinions and would request you do the same without belittling my opinions or my capabilities.

Cheers,
K. Kumar

Dear Mr. Kumar:

You say that my Nature is your God. Fine I am with you.

However, as I have said many times, Nature is a FORCE or POWER that controls the Universe. This FORCE will never ever expect any Aaradana in the form of prayers, poojas and bhajans (PPB) as a bribe from anybody or anything.

As such, I have not prayed for anything from Nature (or SNA = God of Abraham or Vedas or Puranas) in the last 41 years.

I am sure you know the difference between Naturalist and a Believer in the SNA = God.
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This Thread and the Issue of Repetition:

Most Believers in the SNA are very irritated that the Atheists are saying the "same thing" very persistently.

I agree... that Atheists are asking for some tangible proof for the existence of SNA as a human-like personal God, the usefulness of PPB and the truthfulness of JPK.

Since the Believers assert affirmatively "God Exists" this becomes very imperative.

Repetition is solely because of the same questions Atheists ask... and same "dancing around the issue" by the Believers.

One remedy, just shut down the Thread... maybe...?? Lol

Let "God Exists" go to retirement... OR move this to the specialized Sections like "Religion & Spirituality" where no Atheist will come!

The key question is WHY "God Exists" in General Section in this Forum, anyway, if Believers can't take the heat?

Cheers.

 

[mraghavan]

2-1/2 years ago, I was dead. After years of suffering and denial, my liver, which had become cirrhotic because of some illness I had acquired in my childhood in India, gave in, leaving me at a place where my mental and physical faculties refused to work. Doctors had desperately looked for donor and could find none, and had given up. My wife called our guru in India, who said that he would ask Lord Rama to not only provide a new liver but to provide me a perfect liver. Two days later, I was in the hospital, watching the tears of my physician as she admitted that there was nothing more that she could do to help me.

Suddenly, a call came to my cell phone - a liver had been found, but since there was heavy snowstorm, it would take hours for it drive. The hours became many hours - but surgery was performed. During that time I experienced what Western medicine - NDE, near-death experiences, in which my spirit traveled outside the confines of my comatose body. What I experienced I cannot completely say, but I will tell you - for a fact - God is REAL.

A point that was hit home when my surgeon told my wife - "Your husband not only got a liver just in time, but surprisingly, he got a perfect liver." GOD IS REAL.

 

[biswa]

Kumar ji, I am quite humbled by your antecedents. I am sure you might be quite disappointed in some aspects of how the internet you helped invent has evolved.

Knowing of your inter-religious experience, is further enlightening. Just like you many of us may have utmost respect for say Manmohan Singh, Barrak Hussein Obama, Angela Merkel, Amitabh Bacchhan, Dustin Hoffman, the Dalai Lama, regardless of what their religion might be. After all the greatness of a human is to recognize the humanity of others.

I am sure there are others in the forum who would like to engage with you on a civil discourse regarding the wonders of life. A true man of science can surely also be a man of spirituality. You can avoid folks who may question and ask for justification regarding one's personal religious affiliation or even lack thereof. I hope you still benefit us by sharing your wisdom. After all true wisdom cuts across many of these boundaries.

 

[kkumar29]

Dear Mr. Kumar:


However, as I have said many times, Nature is a FORCE or POWER that controls the Universe. This FORCE will never ever expect any Aaradana in the form of prayers, poojas and bhajans (PPB) as a bribe from anybody or anything.

No arguments here.

As such, I have not prayed for anything from Nature (or SNA = God of Abraham or Vedas or Puranas) in the last 41 years.

Nor have I, but I have thanked that supreme power for having given me what I have everyday of my life.

I am sure you know the difference between Naturalist and a Believer in the SNA = God.
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You have stated that you are an Atheist many times and the reasons why you are one. Why keep mocking those who don't agree with you or hold a different view? This is the part of your posts that I don't understand.

Cheers,
K. Kumar

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

Philosophy differs from person to person just like taste differs from person to person.
It can be termed as one of the ways to debate, may be for some it may be healthy.
Everyone is entitled to have a free thinking in this World, that is the freedom we have
in this Universe. Whether one says, Night or Day, Light or Darkness, Good or Bad,
Male or Female, Wise or Unwise, Defeat or Victory, Wealth or Poor, etc. everything
exists in this Universe and it is a manifest to all of us. Every house has a door and so
long as it has all bolts and stoppers and nothing is stolen, one can say that his/her
house is safety proof or secured from theft activities.

My faith in God is very strong and it is my basic foundation for my living. My faith
is my anchor in my life. We have to have a spiritual urge, whatever may be the form,
for having a peaceful life. Let God bless everyone.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[Nara]

...Why keep mocking those who don't agree with you or hold a different view? This is the part of your posts that I don't understand.

What I don't understand Mr. K. Kumar is, how come all the mocking from the theists seem perfectly alright to you, but the push back from a puny little couplets wake you up from your self-proclaimed slumber? Does this betray a bias of sorts, or the mere fact of pointing this out is out of bounds and worthy of condemnation?

Cheers!

 

[Yamaka]

You have stated that you are an Atheist many times and the reasons why you are one. Why keep mocking those who don't agree with you or hold a different view? This is the part of your posts that I don't understand.

Cheers,
K. Kumar

Dear Mr. Kumar:

Please tell me why you write, "I have thanked the supreme power for having given me what I have everyday of my life"?

Do you think that the Supreme Power listens to you? Why you thank at all?

Are you not thinking of the Human-like SNA, the personal God?

By asking such simple questions, do I really "mock" you? Why do you take it that way at all?

It puzzles me.

Enlighten me, please.

 

[kkumar29]

Prof. Nara,

You have raised a valid point.

When you get mocking from theists, it is expected, because their entire theism is faith based. If you question their faith it shakes their entire foundation and they retort and follow the saying attack is the best form of defense. Atheists on the other hand are atheists because they have reached their conclusion based on logic and rational process. There is no need for mockery. I did not expect this from you because I always found your posts very logical and generally well thought out and articulated, that's all. I take no sides in this argument/discussion.

K. Kumar

 

[kkumar29]

Mr. Yamaka,

I don't know whether the supreme power listens to me or not. But I do know it was responsible for my birth, being born to my parents, being born without any physical deformities or disability and for providing me with the opportunities that I was able to exploit and achieve whatever little I have achieved in my life. So I offer my thanks. It is sort of like celebrating Thanksgiving.

When I offer my thanks it is a mental process, not an offering to an idol or some symbol.

Regarding mockery, some of your posts do reflect that. As regarding your supposedly simple questions, yes it does seem like mockery to me, since your queries could have been worded very differently.

In any case, I will not be participating in this discussion anymore. You are entitled to your opinions and I will hold on to mine.

Cheers,
K. Kumar

 

[tks]

Prof. Nara,
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Atheists on the other hand are atheists because they have reached their conclusion based on logic and rational process.
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K. Kumar

Sri Kumar -

I like the way you state things. I have not read many of your posts but just a few here.
Faith I agree is suspension of reasoning at some level. Personal God and faith in that God is personal/subjective and it is not logical to scrutinize 'objectively'. Asking for proof is actually illogical.

Atheism the way some here have interpreted here does not have a standing of its own other than to tell other people who call themselves Theist that they are wrong. It appears that the existence of Atheists is predicated on the existence of Theist - otherwise they have no explanations of their own.

Having said this let me say also that logic and rational process does not lead to Theism or Atheism !

It leads to Truth ...

 

[zebra16]

"I would expect the counter-party rationalist to realise and acknowledge that economies are driven by economics and not by SNA, PPB, JPK etc. Constant benchmarking of a country's economy to such home-defined parameters of SNA etc can not be taken as a serious attempt at rational discussion.- Zebra16 in post 2439.Dear Z: This is a Thread about "God Exists", an affirmative statement.As such discussion of SNA, PPB and JPK is very relevant.It's my view that India's economy is very poor and backward due to Religious FATALISM...You just can't separate economy from the inherent behaviors and practices of the People.It goes back to the skill levels of vast majority of Indians (I call them India91%).Yes, natural resources matter.. but the skill levels of most people to develop those available resources become all the more important (look at Japan, for example: what resources they have, and what they can do with the skills and knowledge of development).Let me conclude:Skills matter the most... Education & Training can do a lot... and kids must stay in school at least thru high school.Then, why are they not staying in the schools?JPK, the mother of all Religious FATALISM.That's what I am rioting about...You may choose to ignore it. That's fine with me!Cheers.

Dear Y,

Simply re-stating the position does not get anyone anywhere in a discussion.The earning of Rs. 150/- per day you attribute to the 91% of the Indians is wages/ salary/compensation to the workers etc. is an economic reward for economic activity - not because they believe in JPK etc.

If there is an opportunity or an advt. calling for applications for filling up job vacancies of say 100,000 offering say a daily wage of Rs. 300/- the advt. will be responded to by at least 1 million aspirants (both theists and atheists alike) and notwithstanding any belief in JPK etc.This shows that JPK etc. does not come in way of eking out a living.

If you cannot agree to such a basic concept, there is no gain in carrying forward our exchange.

Regards

 

[sarang]

A poor Parsi: One who doesn't earn Rs 50,000 per month.

MUMBAI: The ​

Bombay Parsi Punchayet

on Friday told the ​

Bombay High Court

that it considers a Parsi who earns under Rs 50,000 a month to be "poor" and hence eligible for allotment of a flat at subsidised rent.

Parsis are theists.

​

Zoroastrianism /ˌzɒroʊˈæstriənɪzəm/ (or Mazdaism) is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster (also known as Zarathustra, in Avestan) and was formerly among the world's largest religions

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[Yamaka]

Dear Y,

Simply re-stating the position does not get anyone anywhere in a discussion.The earning of Rs. 150/- per day you attribute to the 91% of the Indians is wages/ salary/compensation to the workers etc. is an economic reward for economic activity - not because they believe in JPK etc.

If there is an opportunity or an advt. calling for applications for filling up job vacancies of say 100,000 offering say a daily wage of Rs. 300/- the advt. will be responded to by at least 1 million aspirants (both theists and atheists alike) and notwithstanding any belief in JPK etc.This shows that JPK etc. does not come in way of eking out a living.

If you cannot agree to such a basic concept, there is no gain in carrying forward our exchange.

Regards

Dear Z:

1. I fully agree with your observation that for every post advt there will be 10 applications.. this may be true in all skill levels paying Rs. 300 to Rs. 3000 per day. All fully qualified people.

2. What I am talking about is of millions of people who are not qualified to apply because they lack the education and/or the needed skills.

3. I am trying to go to the ROOT cause of Poverty in India91% and elsewhere. My reasoning goes like this -

a. Most poor households believe in Religious FATALISM (because of JPK and their Belief in SNA). They mostly have 3-5 kids per family. The parents themselves were born to poor families and for generations this goes on. The cycle continues to perpetuity.

Hence I say, Poverty begets poverty.

b. The kids born into poverty go to schools for a few years, and because of "FAMILY POVERTY" they all drop out too pre-maturely. Hence they don't have education or skills to get decent jobs, even if jobs are there.

How do you change this situation, a cycle that goes on for generations?

Talk about it... I suggested that every family in India9% adopt about ten families in India91% to "guide them thru" by asking the kids to stay in schools till at least they finish high schools. Or they gain some useful skills that would fetch them more than Rs. 150 per day per person. India9% must make some financial commitments to help the India91%, who are the base of the financial pyramid in India.

I feel eliminating Poverty at the ROOT requires a small family in the first place... "Naam Iruval Namaku Oruvar" should be fully implemented at the family level in rural and slum India. I do not support a State Mandate as it happens in China.

Why do I bring China to this discussion often? Because it is our NE neighbor with about 1. 3 billion people. What they do in terms of "Social and Political Revolution" to get out of Poverty IS a relevant lesson to all those who are seeking Solutions to the problem of Poverty in India and elsewhere, I think.

Innum varum..

Regards.

Y

 

[KRS]

Dear Brother Nara Ji,

I don't want to keep this going. My main motivation for my post was not to berate you. It was to let you know how the usage of some words may hurt some folks like ME. Nothing to do with others' harsh words. It was just to give you a perspective from the viewpoint of trying to imagine a discussion to be on gentle grounds, whatever the validity or the legality of the words used. That's all.

As I have repeatedly said, if you want to carry on in any way you see fit, I have no issues.

Regards,
KRS

Dear brother, I did not use the word justifiable in connection with rape. I tried to word it with some care so that it is not misunderstood or misinterpreted, alas I failed.


Here is what Merriam-Webster says Delusion is:

1: the act of deluding : the state of being deluded
2 a : something that is falsely or delusively believed or propagated
b : a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary; also : the abnormal state marked by such beliefs

Examples of DELUSION
He has delusions about how much money he can make at that job.
He is living under the delusion that he is incapable of making mistakes.
She is under the delusion that we will finish on time.
As the illness progressed, his delusions took over and he had violent outbursts.


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Except for #2(b) and the last example that is of it, which describes a medical condition one that is certainly not what I am intending, all other definitions and examples clearly show that describing belief in God as a delusion is not improper. Your claim that belief in god is not delusion do not amount to "it is shown to be not true".


I am not attacking anybody, or doubling down. You say you are offering an explanation, alright, what does that mean? Are you saying it is an an explanation why the attacks are justified, or, are you saying it is an explanation even though the attacks are unjustified? If it was the former, clearly my response was apt. If it is latter, what is the purpose of the explanation? I am quite aware I get attacked because people don't want to hear their pet beliefs questioned or characterized as irrational, delusional, or illogical.


Again you are putting words into my mouth, I disagreed with your stand that characterizing religious beliefs as delusional, irrational, and illogical is per se offensive comments about the individuals who hold such beliefs, they are not, that is what I am disagreeing. Besides, you are going on and on about these words as though that is all I say in my rebuttal, just that faith is this, this, and that. So far as I can recall, I have always provided long, sometimes excruciatingly long, arguments for the views I express.

This is the kind of false equivalency I reject. Hurting sensibility is very vague, some of the things that have hurt the sensibility of members here are (i) anything negative about Brahminism, (ii) questioning faith, (iii) criticizing India or comparing India with China. These have hurt the sensibilities of scores of people here.

I don't have a one-size fits all concern for hurting sensibilities, which is not the same as what you are saying, i.e. it is not a big-deal for me. It is indeed important for me, very important, to take extra care and not make people feel hurt. But, I reject your assertion that reasonable arguments by themselves hurt people's sensibility because my views are contrarian or it includes unflattering words about ideas, not people, that you and most others object to.



Brother, you can say whatever you want, pointing out irrationality is part of any civil debate. I have not called everyone pompous, another made up charge. When you are subjected to constant bombardment, most of which I ignore, yet when earnest comments are met with pompous putdowns -- I can cite them in scores in PM if you care to want to know -- and then the reaction is criticized, that is much like blaming the rape victim for skimpy clothes.

What do "our members understand", would you be kind enough to explain what they would understand?

Please review this thread and you will see I have vigorously participated in it. What more is there to say? Even the innateness of "spirituality" you are promising to post about has been already discussed. If you think I have a closed mind, would it be any less valid if I make the same observation about you? Why do you go there like everyone else?

Do what you want, say what you want, given the preponderance of believers in this forum it will be hailed as nothing short of sliced bread. If you are interested in a calm and rational discussion let us have one via PM. I have said all I have to say on god in this thread.

Cheers!

 

[KRS]

Sri Yamaka said:

It's the HUMANISM of an Atheist is in full glare here!

I hope that you do not mean that 'Humanism' is the sole property of an'Atheist'.

May I remind everyone that humanism (like all 'isms' of western philosophy) sprang from religion as a label? Before 'humanism' became the watchword as though it is something new, it has been preached and practiced by almost all religions. The only difference is that, because of shrinking of distances for travel and the knowledge about all peoples in the world, it is now on a Global scale.

Most of the humanistic efforts are spearheaded by religious organizations in the world. Atheism has nothing to do with it.

Regards,
KRS

 

[prasad1]

2-1/2 years ago, I was dead. After years of suffering and denial, my liver, which had become cirrhotic because of some illness I had acquired in my childhood in India, gave in, leaving me at a place where my mental and physical faculties refused to work. Doctors had desperately looked for donor and could find none, and had given up. My wife called our guru in India, who said that he would ask Lord Rama to not only provide a new liver but to provide me a perfect liver. Two days later, I was in the hospital, watching the tears of my physician as she admitted that there was nothing more that she could do to help me.

Suddenly, a call came to my cell phone - a liver had been found, but since there was heavy snowstorm, it would take hours for it drive. The hours became many hours - but surgery was performed. During that time I experienced what Western medicine - NDE, near-death experiences, in which my spirit traveled outside the confines of my comatose body. What I experienced I cannot completely say, but I will tell you - for a fact - God is REAL.

A point that was hit home when my surgeon told my wife - "Your husband not only got a liver just in time, but surprisingly, he got a perfect liver." GOD IS REAL.

Wish you well dear Mr. mraghavan.
Thanks to all the powers, and modern medicine.

 

[sarang]

Sanjay gandhi in action.

If one child per family norm is adapted, there will soon be more old people than young people; the population will go below the minimum critical level to sustain and humans soon become an endangered species.

As in economics and finance, throttling and curtailing is not a solution, expansion is the watch word. India can support a much larger population with an acceptable quality of life.

There are many articles why and how population is an asset for india, and which alone will spearhead future growth. Population management is not controlling the numbers, but finding ways and means for their growth, and well being.

It is said that a nuclear war will destroy more than half the population of any country whether they take part in the war or not. Being far away from trouble areas may not help US and canada, because, enough resources and misguided souls are there to cause havoc.

There are enough hidden resources in india and in the form of assets kept in swiss and other foreign accounts; if they are recovered and properly deployed (we need honest people of all varnas) these man made problem of poverty and lack of education can be made to vanish in a very short time.

I feel eliminating Poverty at the ROOT requires a small family in the first place... "Naam Iruval Namaku Oruvar" should be fully implemented at the family level in rural and slum India. I do not support a State Mandate as it happens in China.
Y

 

[ozone]

I have also seen the opposite of what is being said.
People or Organisation take pains to help the under privileged be educated or get skilled, but there is reluctance and inertia in some of them. They want to remain as pot makers for e.g., and instead want the Govt to popularise use of mud cups instead of disposable cups (just an e.g.,). After repeated failed attempts, these organisations give up saying it must be your PJK to suffer.

 

[zebra16]

If one child per family norm is adapted, there will soon be more old people than young people; the population will go below the minimum critical level to sustain and humans soon become an endangered species.

The following is an incident narrated to me by a friend who returned from China after 3 years on work assignment.

One of his chinese colleagues is the second or third generation of "one child" per family norm of China. His ancestral land holdings were taken been taken away by Mao revolution and his wife's land holdings had been taken away by industrial revolution of Mr. Deng.

So the following was his family composition:

Working adults = 2 (he + his wife)
Child = 1
Dependents of husband = 2 (father + mother)
Dependents of wife = 2 (father + mother)

Total = 7

Now unfortunately his wife died in an industrial explosion at work site. So he had to marry for a second time to take care of the 5 dependants. He could get alliance only with a widow. Now on his second marriage his family size increased by 5 (child, father, mother, father-in-law and mother-in-law of his second wife). The family now consists of 12 members, of which only two are earning and able members. To add to the problem his wife is employed in a far away place and can make it home only during vacation in Chinese new year.

Such can be the drastic consequences of a one child per family scheme.

 

[renuka]

Real Atheism is when a person does not have faith in himself.
You may believe in hundreds of thousands of gods and goddesses,but if you do not have faith in yourself,you are an Atheist.
You may even forget all the gods and goddesses.If you have faith in yourself,that will save you.That is the message of the Upanishads.

Swami Vivekananda

 

[ozone]

But some one has defined Faith to mean suspension of reasoning.

 

[ozone]

Sorry for the diversion.
[h=3]Understating poverty[/h]Many sociologists and government officials have argued that poverty in the United States is understated, meaning that there are more households living in actual poverty than there are households below the poverty threshold. A recent NPR report states that as much as 30% of Americans have trouble making ends meet and other advocates have made supporting claims that the rate of actual poverty in the US is far higher than that calculated by using the poverty threshold.As far back as 1969, the Bureau of Labor Statistics put forward suggested budgets for families to live adequately on. 60% of working-class Americans lived below one of these budgets, which suggested that a far higher proportion of Americans lived in poverty than the official poverty line suggested. These findings were also used by observers on the left when questioning the long-established view that most Americans had attained an affluent standard of living in the two decades following the end of the Second World War.

 

[Yamaka]

Sanjay gandhi in action.

If one child per family norm is adapted, there will soon be more old people than young people; the population will go below the minimum critical level to sustain and humans soon become an endangered species.

As in economics and finance, throttling and curtailing is not a solution, expansion is the watch word. India can support a much larger population with an acceptable quality of life.

There are many articles why and how population is an asset for india, and which alone will spearhead future growth. Population management is not controlling the numbers, but finding ways and means for their growth, and well being.

It is said that a nuclear war will destroy more than half the population of any country whether they take part in the war or not. Being far away from trouble areas may not help US and canada, because, enough resources and misguided souls are there to cause havoc.

There are enough hidden resources in india and in the form of assets kept in swiss and other foreign accounts; if they are recovered and properly deployed (we need honest people of all varnas) these man made problem of poverty and lack of education can be made to vanish in a very short time.

Dear ALL:

1. Most people here and in India9% don't just get the MAGNITUDE of the problem. The best GDP figure for 2011 available for India is $2 trillion a year produced by 1.2 billion people.

This amounts to $ 1666 per person per year. To convert this to income, multiply this with 0.8, which will give $1333 per person per year = $3.65 per person per day.

My estimate says that 91% of Indians make below $3 per person per day. One may quickly say this is very very low income for a "reasonable life".

The real reason is the exploding DENOMINATOR... that is, the Population growth of about 2% a year (for comparison China has about 0.5% and US has 1.0% a year).

2. Population growth will be an ASSET only when the people get quickly skilled, as it happens in all the OECD countries (all the advanced countries). In developing countries like India, 2% population growth a year IS a massive LIABILITY now.

3. Yes, India may have natural resources. But, you need skilled people to develop them first.

4. The money stashed away in foreign banks in total amount could be 100% of the GDP maximum. Even, if you collect all of them, that will be a small drop in the bucket of needs of 1200 million people.

That's the point I want to stress. Please think of the DENOMINATOR also, while you think of the NUMERATOR.

The DENOMINATOR can be checked only when we address the MINDSET of people regarding the RELIGIOUS FATALISM, IMO.

Innum varum..

 

[tks]

But some one has defined Faith to mean suspension of reasoning.

Actually the Sanskrit word Shraddha is loosely translated as Faith which has a special meaning in Biblical religions.

Swami Vivekananda referred to Shraddha which does not have an equivalent term in English

 

[Yamaka]

The following is an incident narrated to me by a friend who returned from China after 3 years on work assignment.

One of his chinese colleagues is the second or third generation of "one child" per family norm of China. His ancestral land holdings were taken been taken away by Mao revolution and his wife's land holdings had been taken away by industrial revolution of Mr. Deng.

So the following was his family composition:

Working adults = 2 (he + his wife)
Child = 1
Dependents of husband = 2 (father + mother)
Dependents of wife = 2 (father + mother)

Total = 7

Now unfortunately his wife died in an industrial explosion at work site. So he had to marry for a second time to take care of the 5 dependants. He could get alliance only with a widow. Now on his second marriage his family size increased by 5 (child, father, mother, father-in-law and mother-in-law of his second wife). The family now consists of 12 members, of which only two are earning and able members. To add to the problem his wife is employed in a far away place and can make it home only during vacation in Chinese new year.

Such can be the drastic consequences of a one child per family scheme.

After Mao Zedong's Cultural Revolution and "Leap Forward" Strategies, China's population growth has come to a quite manageable 0.5% growth a year (after about 60 years of relentless, draconian efforts by the Govt and the People).

Although I have written posts very critical of Chairman Mao (for allowing nearly 20 million people die of starvation in 1958-61 due to Great Famine in China), I must acknowledge the basic fact that he understood very well the ROOT cause of Poverty in China circa 1950s, 60s... namely, the uncontrolled Population Explosion.

That's the problem India has been facing all these decades. And India did not find a tangible Solution as yet.

That's what I am rioting about...most of India9% do not comprehend the MAGNITUDE of this issue, let alone ignoring the Solution to tackle this in earnest.

Now, the China's Communist Party is seriously considering to relax this "One Child Policy". This I think is the best approach. Current GDP growth of China NEEDS more people... from now on higher population growth will be an ASSET to CHINA and will not be LIABILITY, as it is in India of today.

Innum varum....

Cheers.