God Exists

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Not sure if God made this happen

Sri Rudram rendered by Serbs,Croatians and others in Germany!

Their rendering seem authentic.

See it here

If this thread is ending you can finish reading by hearing the rendering of Mantra Pushpam by these Eurpeans !!

Wonderful Sacred Vedic Hymns, Shri tks. So mesmerizing...

Thank you very much for sharing this with all of us here. It made my day today!!!!!

 

[DrBarani]

Sir, Was it your automated robot that was driving the markets crazy on Thursday and Friday? hehe

regards,

narayan

I wish it was! There are some 100,000 robots out there that trade in millisecond intervals... My robot is only in testing stages and its trading interval is at 1 hour, not millisecond.

But future trading is going to be only with robots. There is no way humans can perform due diligence on millions of available financial instruments and their derivatives.

 

[ShivKC]

i have seen many atheists asking for 'gods proof', but when presented , it got discounted outright, as seen by their own perspective. as dr.barani said similarly, 300 years ago, if a god man/sage has shown that here comes the microwave, you cant see it, but it works miracles in you like 'it can melt the chocolate in your pocket. what the response of atheists would be.. oh man, its just another magic of god man!..as i said often, atheists here are not ready to set the platform/rules and are not clear what kind of proof they want.. thats the problem with atheists, and its very much evident , that selfish genes always acts this way, to win over , and try all ways to prove it wrong. the powerful survives right!

If the evidence is so plain to see, why doesn't everyone believe in God? in such instance, the question of faith, needs to be erased from dictionary. this leads a greater problem in this world,as atheist wants it to be, then, without faith can a husband and wife lead a good life?

 

[Yamaka]

I need to say something here even though it may hurt those who believe in God.

We do Havans, Parigharams, Piligrimiges, Pujas etc for the mental satisfaction that we have pleased the one who is above all and who is controlling us through his divine powers. Now from our side we can't be blamed if something goes horribly wrong.
We can easily question the so called God.

But this God & his supreme image has been created by none other than our ancestors.

But after doing these customs we take bribes, commit crimes, hurt others, lie, cheat and what not.

The Kings themselves wanted the prajas or the subjects to worship them and wanted similar treatment for their kins from future generation of the subjects. Simply they enjoyed the position, status and the wealth derived from it. For this specific reason they allied with islamic invadors which was against their principles.

"But this God & his supreme image has been created by none other than our ancestors.

But after doing these customs we take bribes, commit crimes, hurt others, lie, cheat and what not."

Very true... now I am showing my elbow to the floating ribs of the Theists!:eyebrows:

Folks, as I said earlier, I don't visit this site frequently because I know you guys are willing to show your mighty middle fingers as per the dictates of Holy BG! Lol.

Yesterday, Sun TV News broadcast the following news (get it at www.Tamilo.com):

1. Some where in TN, temple poosari asked women without children to eat the sand sprinkled rice (prasatham?) with their hands tied to their back! Like dogs!!

2. In another temple in TN, poosari broke coconut on the heads of the devotees!

Granted, some of you don't like Sun TV because it's owned by Kalanidhi... but please watch the video.. the news IS real. (Aug 4-5, 2011).

I used to write "Nearly 800 million Indians are left inside the Gates of Hell of Poverty, Ignorance and Superstition by the Organized Religions manufactured by some MEN"

After seeing those videos, I felt like writing this again here.

Take care.

Peace.

ps. I may not respond to your wrath immediately, as I visit this place once a week only.

 

[nachi naga]

I wish it was! There are some 100,000 robots out there that trade in millisecond intervals... My robot is only in testing stages and its trading interval is at 1 hour, not millisecond.

But future trading is going to be only with robots. There is no way humans can perform due diligence on millions of available financial instruments and their derivatives.

markets are manipulated now by a small powerful cross-section of people globally.they make it rise or fall all the time.its nothing but gambling,imho with scientific charts signals alerts forecasting,but still can make a lot of dough

 

[Yamaka]

I wish it was! There are some 100,000 robots out there that trade in millisecond intervals... My robot is only in testing stages and its trading interval is at 1 hour, not millisecond.

But future trading is going to be only with robots. There is no way humans can perform due diligence on millions of available financial instruments and their derivatives.

Robotic traders of financial instruments and their derivatives will surely end up living in poor houses, sooner or later... IMO.

For long term small investors, don't get sucked into this new breed of traders! Diversify your portfolio on Balanced Funds like FBALX... sleep like a baby... your pension, 401 K, 403 b will be safer there than any other place under the Sun...

My two cents.... please, don't show your mighty middle fingers..as per the dictates of Holy BGhwell:

 

[nachi naga]

yamaka,

its called faith healing.its popular amongst all believers.science teaches the power of positive affirmation.you create a field around you besides you above you inside you.faith is real.

 

[renuka]

Yamaka,

You said

:Very true... now I am showing my elbow to the floating ribs of the Theists!:eyebrows:

Its Ok..Hindu men have more ribs then Christian men.According to Christianity Eve was created out of a rib of Adam.Hinduism does not have any such medical disproven facts.
So the guys here can handle your elbow well.Keep your arms strong..you need them when you get crucified!!!

 

[ShivKC]

For this specific reason they allied with islamic invadors which was against their principles.

hh, let me know, where its written in scriptures, that aligning with islamic traders is wrong?

 

[zebra16]

Robotic traders of financial instruments and their derivatives will surely end up living in poor houses, sooner or later... IMO.

Why??

 

[zebra16]

hh, let me know, where its written in scriptures, that aligning with islamic traders is wrong?

Who or why or what is the msg starts with the letters "hh"??

 

[Nara]

Yesterday, Sun TV News broadcast the following news (get it at www.Tamilo.com):

The above link does not work. Try this one.

 

[kunjuppu]

Robotic traders of financial instruments and their derivatives will surely end up living in poor houses, sooner or later... IMO.

For long term small investors, don't get sucked into this new breed of traders! Diversify your portfolio on Balanced Funds like FBALX... sleep like a baby... your pension, 401 K, 403 b will be safer there than any other place under the Sun...

My two cents.... please, don't show your mighty middle fingers..as per the dictates of Holy BGhwell:

personally, i have found, that i achieved, the max return with minimal fees, and peace of mind, with investing in iShares tied to the toronto top 60 stocks, which reflected the exchange.

not greedy. not be gouged by the huge MER which made money for the manager, whether he did his job or not. just trusted the wisdom of the market as a whole. better that for someone who needs to park his money somewhere. other than buying a commercial or apartment building.

 

[Nara]

This may be of interest to the members, it is a 60 Minutes segment on Speed Trading. A company called Tradeworks run by Manoj Narag is featured in it.

‪60 Minutes, 10.10.10‬‏ - YouTube

 

[talwan]

What Happened to God Exists Discussions?
alwan

 

[zebra16]

What Happened to God Exists Discussions?
alwan

Sri Sravana and Sri Nara signed some sort of MOU yesterday

 

[suraju06]

I wish it was! There are some 100,000 robots out there that trade in millisecond intervals... My robot is only in testing stages and its trading interval is at 1 hour, not millisecond.

But future trading is going to be only with robots. There is no way humans can perform due diligence on millions of available financial instruments and their derivatives.

Hi Dr Barani,

How did you factor in the market sentiment into your robot's programme? As it is also a factor affecting the price movement in an iterative process and there are going to be either opportunities grabbed or opportunities missed how do you bring this in for a robot? The algorithm will be quite a complex one. Just curious.

 

[DrBarani]

Hi Dr Barani,

How did you factor in the market sentiment into your robot's programme? As it is also a factor affecting the price movement in an iterative process and there are going to be either opportunities grabbed or opportunities missed how do you bring this in for a robot? The algorithm will be quite a complex one. Just curious.

Well, I pray to Lord Ganesha everyday

Since this thread is about "God exists" I decided to throw in a sentence about it!

We use Technical Trading, which is statistically and probabilistically driven. Technicals do take into consideration all factors including sentiments, sudden events, natural flows etc. In mathematical jargon, short term price moving factors like events (e.g. US debt rating downgrade) will show fast movements in price and hence "fast stochastics" may come into play. For long term price behaviors moving-averages can show the direction of price movement. Thus, it is a combination of many variables.

Generally it is easy to use technical trading if ones goal is to make some 20% profit per year. But most daytraders aim for something far higher than that, so the use of robots is preferred. For slow trading (e.g. if you trade only a few times a month) manual trading is more than adequate.

You will need programming experience, basic statistical knowledge, specific finance industry jargon, some knowledge of major factors that affect price movements (e.g. interest rates across countries). And then many years of breaking ones head towards finding a profitable strategy to trade automatically. In general I'd say it will take 2-3 years of trading involvement before one can gain a grip on the field. Derivative market is even far worse, any predictability there is often destroyed by large volatility.

 

[zebra16]

Well, I pray to Lord Ganesha everyday
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Eagerly awaiting your new thread on economics, finance, money, investment and stock trading

regards,

narayan

 

[tks]

Well, I pray to Lord Ganesha everyday

Actually, that is a mature statement

Even though one can use their free will *fully* to explore options and use their natural talents fully, all mature people know that there are variables that are hidden from them but operate on them regardless.

Sometimes such critical variables affecting us may be visible to others but not to us.

There can be a sudden disaster in another part of the world (e.g., Japan) that can affect us. Or it could be a carefully crafted scheme like CDS (Credit Default Swap) in the making for many years that is criminal but not unlawful which ends up affecting our investment strategies even if our approach may have statistical variability built in.

So praying to a form of Lord to minimize impact of the hidden variables makes one more confident to deal with such hidden variables. At least there is an action to deal with such variables. Whether Lord Ganesha exists or not , whether he 'listens' and 'intervenes' or not is irrelevant. A mind that is clear of burdens of worry of hidden variables can make better decisions within available options that are visible.

In the model of Karma - every action has two reactions that fructifies at different times. One reaction is visible and known to us. Other is invisible to us (even if it is known to others).

If Prayer is deemed as an action, which it is and if law of Karma as a model applies in our lives then Prayer can have a reaction (invisible).

So praying to Lord Ganesha or any form is mature

 

[Yamaka]

"In mathematical jargon, short term price moving factors like events (e.g. US [COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important]debt[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] rating downgrade) will show fast movements in price and hence "fast stochastics" may come into play."- A Ganesha worshiping Technical Trader.

My two cents on the S&P downgrade of US Sovereign Debt as of 10:15 AM Houston time, Sunday (Aug 7, 2011). I am NOT a Ganesha worshiper, NOT a Technical Trader. I believe in the Fundamentals of the company, country etc.

American economy is on very sound economic fundamentals... the bond buyers know it, for they showed it in the last 30 days by buying US 10y T driving the yield down to 2.56% per year.

Yes, our politics is noisy and the whole world knows how we think, fight and solve intractable problems... Sunlight is the real cure for many of our problems... we have too much of Sunlight! That's a good thing which the S&P does not understand.

What will happen on Monday and next week after the S&P downgrade?

Nothing... the bond buyers will keep buying the US Treasury as usual, they will just ignore what S&P said... the yield on 10 Yr T will move between 2.5% to 3.5% over a long period (that is, depending upon what happens in Europe and Japan, the 10 Y T will move as per the fundamentals, totally ignoring what the S&P downgrade meant to be)

Post-Lehman, Enron and Bear Stearns, no one in the bond market listen to the opinions of the Rating Agencies including the S&P, who have all lost their credibility about 3 years ago... Bond buyers do their own due diligence BEFORE buying Govt Securities..

Cheers.

Ps. A lot of Indians and other Anti-Americans foam that US is showing its economic hegemony.. Well, listen, if any other country grows to be the largest economy (India could try this with its fast growing economy in about 30 years with its 1.7 billion people) and trading internationally in large volumes, its currency will become the dominant currency, and the bond market will treat that country with lots of respect... now it is the US who has the size, the strength and vitality... therefore, the hegemony is EARNED. About a century ago, Great Briton was the world leader, and Americans drove her away!

Maybe, Lord Ganesh can give God-fearing Indians that economic and intellectual clout to be hegemonic in the future... if HE really exists!

Lol.

 

[zebra16]

Well, I pray to Lord Ganesha everyday

We use Technical Trading, which is statistically and probabilistically driven. Technicals do take into consideration all factors including sentiments, sudden events, natural flows etc. In mathematical jargon, short term price moving factors like events (e.g. US debt rating downgrade) will show fast movements in price and hence "fast stochastics" may come into play. For long term price behaviors moving-averages can show the direction of price movement. .

AND

I am NOT a Ganesha worshiper, NOT a Technical Trader. I believe in the Fundamentals of the company, country etc.

Arriving at the value of "y" (that too hastily) from the value of "x", even when "x" and "y" have no co-relation.

 

[tks]

"In mathematical jargon, short term price moving factors like events (e.g. US [COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important][COLOR=#DA7911 !important][FONT=inherit !important]debt[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR] rating downgrade) will show fast movements in price and hence "fast stochastics" may come into play."- A Ganesha worshiping Technical Trader.

My two cents on the S&P downgrade of US Sovereign Debt as of 10:15 AM Houston time, Sunday (Aug 7, 2011). I am NOT a Ganesha worshiper, NOT a Technical Trader. I believe in the Fundamentals of the company, country etc.

American economy is on very sound economic fundamentals... the bond buyers know it, for they showed it in the last 30 days by buying US 10y T driving the yield down to 2.56% per year.

Yes, our politics is noisy and the whole world knows how we think, fight and solve intractable problems... Sunlight is the real cure for many of our problems... we have too much of Sunlight! That's a good thing which the S&P does not understand.

What will happen on Monday and next week after the S&P downgrade?

Nothing... the bond buyers will keep buying the US Treasury as usual, they will just ignore what S&P said... the yield on 10 Yr T will move between 2.5% to 3.5% over a long period (that is, depending upon what happens in Europe and Japan, the 10 Y T will move as per the fundamentals, totally ignoring what the S&P downgrade meant to be)

Post-Lehman, Enron and Bear Stearns, no one in the bond market listen to the opinions of the Rating Agencies including the S&P, who have all lost their credibility about 3 years ago... Bond buyers do their own due diligence BEFORE buying Govt Securities..

Cheers.

Ps. A lot of Indians and other Anti-Americans foam that US is showing its economic hegemony.. Well, listen, if any other country grows to be the largest economy (India could try this with its fast growing economy in about 30 years with its 1.7 billion people) and trading internationally in large volumes, its currency will become the dominant currency, and the bond market will treat that country with lots of respect... now it is the US who has the size, the strength and vitality... therefore, the hegemony is EARNED. About a century ago, Great Briton was the world leader, and Americans drove her away!

Maybe, Lord Ganesh can give God-fearing Indians that economic and intellectual clout to be hegemonic in the future... if HE really exists!

Lol.

Y -

There are many financial analysts that provide superficial analysis of this kind and many are taking those and parroting them around.

I have hopes that America can rise from the issues of today mainly because there is still freedom of expression here and an intent to maintain 'separation of church and state' (despite large number of loonies of TX ).

Having said this, let me say that you may or may not worship Allah or Jesus but I have heard you do worship the ground President Obama walks on.
Well, Mr O has been a disappointment with the liberals, has been turned impotent by the tea party types and is totally deadlocked with congress.
With trillions of dollars in debt ($14T+) and unfunded mandates ($80T) looming many sense that the Government cannot function with the kind of leadership (or lack of it) by Mr O and the current congress.

There is temporary pessimism which is understandable in my view. S&P downgrade is political in nature but a good wake up call though there is no one to be woken up at this time. Mr O cares only about getting reelected and does not stand for anything and unwilling to put forth his views. This was known to a few but with large number of 'worshipers' he got elected.

Recent unemployed graduates in large number (over 150000 by some account) are registering at a website to find sugar-daddy to take care of their tuition loan . One one hand one can admire the enterprising youngsters but it is sad that they are resorting to finding employment in the oldest profession in the world! Unfortunately this is the state of America today. Most here do not vote and those who do have elected corrupt leaders.

The issues faced by America has a chance to affect other economies.

Let us hope America can raise from its issues of today and help lift others too in the process.. I have hope regardless of whether God exists or not

 

[tks]

I don't know about the Indian or the American Economy or Stock markets but one is for sure this thread "God Exists" is completely derailed.

Sri Saiyeen -

Your profile says you may have recently been active in this forum. Not sure you have read over 1000 posts already!
If you already have that is remarkable. If not there is lot to catch up...

 

[DrBarani]

Let us hope America can raise from its issues of today and help lift others too in the process.. I have hope regardless of whether God exists or not

It will be a miracle if US can recover from its present doldrums. The debt is projected to grow easily to $20 trillion. That will bring a guaranteed downgrade from every 2nd rating agency all the way to an inevitable junk status.

Many bondholders are mutual funds and other investment agencies which are, by regulations, mandated to possess only tripleA rated bonds. They have to sell their holdings. The Fed will intervene to buy bonds and support the markets. This will send dollar spiralling down. This cycle will keep on going until Junk Status and eventual bankruptcy.

The other issue is, the real interest rates will fast move upwards with rating downgrades. The Fed will have no choice but to follow the markets and raise the rates. When that happens, the government won't be able to service the sovereign debt. They will be screwed any which way they go.

I wonder why the republican party uses an Elephant symbol. Any indirect attempt to worship Lord Ganesha? If not, they should change it to water buffalo.