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Help for De-addiction

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Dear Sri Sravna,

Wishing you all the very best in this endeavor! You are one among the few who believe in the efficacy of our ancient systems and try to deploy them for all round benefit! Brilliant!
 
Dear Sri Sravna,

Wishing you all the very best in this endeavor! You are one among the few who believe in the efficacy of our ancient systems and try to deploy them for all round benefit! Brilliant!
Thank you sir!
 
The addiction may be for anything. The treatment is for any compulsive behavior. It may be for drugs, alcohol, sex and even for money.
 
Thank you Shri TBS and Smt. RR. Till it remains harmless, forum addiction does not require treatment.
 
What about people with "spirituality" addiction !? Some believe that there is spiritual energy and temperature could be controlled etc, etc. They believe in real Reality, alternate reality, illusive reality, temperorary reality, permanent reality, lower reality, higher reality, absolute reality...

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What about people with "spirituality" addiction !? Some believe that there is spiritual energy and temperature could be controlled etc, etc. They believe in real Reality, alternate reality, illusive reality, temperorary reality, permanent reality, lower reality, higher reality, absolute reality...

:)

Dear Auh,

This jibe is unwarranted. You seem to have a compulsive behavior for sarcasm and that is not healthy.
 
Best wishes! Every one of us should contribute our bit to the society. Yours is a commendable endeavour. May God bless you with all success..
 
Dear Auh,

This jibe is unwarranted. You seem to have a compulsive behavior for sarcasm and that is not healthy.

On the contrary dear Sravna, it is far from a mere jibe. Sarcasm perhaps. I have subtly touched at the human nature of thinking that refuses to see one's own folly / misadventure but sermonizes to the other.

In your terms, I would put it as perceptive reality. What is addiction to you may not be for others, and what some see as addiction may not be for you !!!
 
On the contrary dear Sravna, it is far from a mere jibe. Sarcasm perhaps. I have subtly touched at the human nature of thinking that refuses to see one's own folly / misadventure but sermonizes to the other.

In your terms, I would put it as perceptive reality. What is addiction to you may not be for others, and what some see as addiction may not be for you !!!

Dear Auh,

I do not mind if you have something to say against any consistency in my attitude because some would see it that way even though I may not agree with it.

But I am talking about pressing problems such as drug addiction which are real social menace. So that is the context in which anyone would expect others to view this.

We can always have a separate discussion on human follies.
 
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Dear auh,

I also want to make another point since you have brought up the topic of addiction to spirituality. Spirituality is about gaining self control. Addiction is the loss of self control. The more you are involved in spirituality the less addicted you become to anything. So none can become addicted to spirituality.

Also those with drug addiction, alcohol addiction and with other harmful compulsive behaviors need help so that they can lead a fulfilling life and also not become a threat to society.
 
Dear auh,

I also want to make another point since you have brought up the topic of addiction to spirituality. Spirituality is about gaining self control. Addiction is the loss of self control. The more you are involved in spirituality the less addicted you become to anything. So none can become addicted to spirituality.

Also those with drug addiction, alcohol addiction and with other harmful compulsive behaviors need help so that they can lead a fulfilling life and also not become a threat to society.

Rightly said, Sravana, Spirituality in real terms means gaining control of your emotions, victory over "Panchendriya". So one who gains victory over his indriyas could never get addicted to anything else!
 
The effects of some types of addiction - drugs, smoking, alcohol - are visible to those near and dear, while the addiction to spirituality may not be so obvious. But it is quite dangerous nevertheless. It is also wrong to say that we are never addicted. In fact we are all addicted to one thing or the other. It may be even "addictive behaviour not to get addicted to anything" ! Every addiction has its effects; we only need to understand the consequenses and indulge moderately.

If we were to take the case of spirituality, it means many things, different and similar, to different people. The end result may also be different. But broadly it conditions people to lean on something that is not rational. Something that is illogical. When human beings can invest their mind into something ridiculous such as "God", "Heaven", "Saayujyam", "Karma", "Punyam/papam", "Maya" etc., it is indicative of the degeneration of the mind. This leads them to inane conclusions. Believe me - even ordinary family life would be affected by such religious absurdities. It takes a very heavy toll on the mind.

As such, it is the first addiction that should be wiped out.
 
Rightly said, Sravana, Spirituality in real terms means gaining control of your emotions, victory over "Panchendriya". So one who gains victory over his indriyas could never get addicted to anything else!

Dear Shri Ganesh,

The problem is that people are not properly educated about spirituality. All sorts of wrong ideas about spirituality abound. They fail to understand it is about elevation of mind.
 
post # 19 for reference:

The effects of some types of addiction - drugs, smoking, alcohol - are visible to those near and dear, while the addiction to spirituality may not be so obvious. But it is quite dangerous nevertheless. It is also wrong to say that we are never addicted. In fact we are all addicted to one thing or the other. It may be even "addictive behaviour not to get addicted to anything" ! Every addiction has its effects; we only need to understand the consequenses and indulge moderately.

If addiction to spirituality is not obvious, how some people are able to find/identify it and comment about it? Any special detecting ability needed for this? Where/how do we get it?

When they say it is dangerous, it needs elaboration. What is the danger which is not there in other addictions and is special to this "addiction" that makes it "dangerous"?

If "the behaviour not to get addicted to anything" can be called an addiction by playing with words, shall we call our life itself an addiction? The question that would beg an answer then would be this:
If normal life (normal in the sense in which it is universally understood) can be an addiction what would be an addiction free life? Or is it that addiction is always good. More of it the more good it is for a full life--Is it?

How far can one go in indulgence to keep it within the "moderate" level? Would it not be like a "coitus interruptus" then? If indulgence is for pleasure, indulgence without the fruits of pleasure is just a waste of time and effort. Is it not so?

Answers please.

If we were to take the case of spirituality, it means many things, different and similar, to different people. The end result may also be different. But broadly it conditions people to lean on something that is not rational. Something that is illogical. When human beings can invest their mind into something ridiculous such as "God", "Heaven", "Saayujyam", "Karma", "Punyam/papam", "Maya" etc., it is indicative of the degeneration of the mind. This leads them to inane conclusions. Believe me - even ordinary family life would be affected by such religious absurdities. It takes a very heavy toll on the mind. As such, it is the first addiction that should be wiped out.

Love is irrational and illogical. But human beings can indulge in it endlessly. Hundreds of films are made and exhibited and millions view them wasting money and time. It is different to different people and similar in some aspects to different people. Is it not so? And human minds invest a lot--in fact even their career and lives in that like the killer of Swathi-- in that and go mad over it. So a world free of love will be really heaven--conclusion. But is it true?

When we grapple with so many imponderable, mysterious, beyond- the- knowledge- horizon, deeply intertwined with out daily lives here, baffling phenomena, we try to measure them up with our known but obviously inadequate scales and units of measurement. It is just to exchange ideas and thought processes among similarly equiped minds. So "God, Heaven, Saayujyam, Karma, Punyam/Papam, Maya "etc., are all tentative and linguistic tools/terms used to exchange ideas. No one knows what God or Heaven looks like. Those who claim to have attained saayujyam never have come back here to tell us what the experience was like. Even if they tell we may not be able to relate to it. Punyam/papam are like the bitcoins we never see as they never exist physically any where. Our equipments can only perceive an external object if it has a physical existence. The rest are all just ideas and are abstract.

It need not lead to the conclusion that it is a degenerating mind which perceives all these bitcoins. On the contrary as the individual mind travels along the spiritual path crossing mile stones, and grasps difficult abstract ideas with a logic of their own, it gets enough brownie points that makes it happy beyond words. And it is happiness for which we all live and strive24x7. LOL.

So let us be less judgmental and more open to exotic abstract ideas. We may also attain saayujyam. LOL.
 
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Dear Auh,

I do not mind if you have something to say against any consistency in my attitude because some would see it that way even though I may not agree with it.

But I am talking about pressing problems such as drug addiction which are real social menace. So that is the context in which anyone would expect others to view this.

We can always have a separate discussion on human follies.
Sravnaji
You can become part of udta punjab gang.

You will be valued in punjab if you wean a few youth in punjab in grip of drugs.

Join kejriwal party in chennai and work for reduction of drug consumption everywhere including punjab.
 
In post #21 A strong case is being made for spirituality and immense happiness one might get following that path.

I would rather prefer indulgence in full enjoying fully fruits of pleasure-if it is addiction so be it.

Love is one of the greatest feelings. Indulging in it without a care spending money and time not worrying too much about heavan or hell is one of the pleasures very

few can experience to the full.

I would rather put spirituality aside for enlightened souls and carry on merrily.lol
 
Dear Shri Vaagmi,

Good post.

Dear Shri Krish,

I do not want to become part of any gang. But I sincerely believe that I can help people with the problem of addiction.
 
In post #21 A strong case is being made for spirituality and immense happiness one might get following that path.

I would rather prefer indulgence in full enjoying fully fruits of pleasure-if it is addiction so be it.

Love is one of the greatest feelings. Indulging in it without a care spending money and time not worrying too much about heavan or hell is one of the pleasures very

few can experience to the full.

I would rather put spirituality aside for enlightened souls and carry on merrily.lol

LOL.

Krishji, Dont you understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

If you have the ability, you can enjoy the best of both the worlds.

Why do you want to run away from one into another? You can have both. Just one is not adequate for all your needs. LOL.

Like having two cars. One to take your family out to enjoy the week ends and the other to take your secret love on a long eventful drive beyond the horizon. LOL.
 
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