Help for De-addiction

[Vaagmi]

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Dear Shri Vaagmi,

Good post.

Dear Shri Krish,

I do not want to become part of any gang. But I sincerely believe that I can help people with the problem of addiction.

Thanks.

 

[krish44]

LOL.

Krishji, Dont you understand that the two are not mutually exclusive.

If you have the ability, you can enjoy the best of both the worlds.

Why do you want to run away from one into another? You can have both. Just one is not adequate for all your needs. LOL.

Like having two cars. One to take your family out to enjoy the week ends and the other to take your secret love on a long eventful drive beyond the horizon. LOL.

Spiritualism with a long drive beyond the horizon .

I have just returned from varanasi last week

The strain is telling on me that a bottle Blenders pride is required to uplift my spirits

 

[tbs]

hi sravana sir,

i have ONLY one addiction...that is TAMILBRAHMINS FORUM....very difficult to get rid of....wht to do...lol

 

[sravna]

hi sravana sir,

i have ONLY one addiction...that is TAMILBRAHMINS FORUM....very difficult to get rid of....wht to do...lol

Dear Shri TBS,

In my view addiction to knowledge is less dangerous than addiction to objects. If the knowledge is higher knowledge it is even less dangerous. So you can relax.

 

[auh]

The strain is telling on me that a bottle Blenders pride is required to uplift my spirits

Surely, Delhi must be holding something more than just this...!!

 

[auh]

Dear shri Vaagmi, true to your name, you have burst in wonderful splendours with a lengthy deliberation. If I were to just say that the last three letters of your post is what we should be doing and assisting in doing, a grave injustice would be done to your typing effort. So here I go:

If addiction to spirituality is not obvious, how some people are able to find/identify it and comment about it? Any special detecting ability needed for this? Where/how do we get it?

When somebody says there is proof of spirituality without even touching the bottle, you can understand that the person is addicted to spirituality !!

When they say it is dangerous, it needs elaboration. What is the danger which is not there in other addictions and is special to this "addiction" that makes it "dangerous"?

For example, they can put a burning hot iron with weird patterns on the two shoulders of a "conditioned but unsuspecting" in the name of god (which otherwise no sane person would do). Good enough?

If "the behaviour not to get addicted to anything" can be called an addiction by playing with words, shall we call our life itself an addiction? The question that would beg an answer then would be this:
If normal life (normal in the sense in which it is universally understood) can be an addiction what would be an addiction free life? Or is it that addiction is always good. More of it the more good it is for a full life--Is it?

The right person to answer this is Sravna, as he started the thread to wean people away from addiction. I only added one more to the list.

How far can one go in indulgence to keep it within the "moderate" level? Would it not be like a "coitus interruptus" then? If indulgence is for pleasure, indulgence without the fruits of pleasure is just a waste of time and effort. Is it not so?

If we were to use "rubber" the case of coitus interruptus wouldnt arise. Would it?

Answers please.

It is a pleasure to oblige you.

Love is irrational and illogical. But human beings can indulge in it endlessly. Hundreds of films are made and exhibited and millions view them wasting money and time. It is different to different people and similar in some aspects to different people. Is it not so? And human minds invest a lot--in fact even their career and lives in that like the killer of Swathi-- in that and go mad over it. So a world free of love will be really heaven--conclusion. But is it true?

If it were so easy to prove, then probably all the proof we need can readily be arranged by moviemakers. Truth is, there can be no irrational or illogical love.

When we grapple with so many imponderable, mysterious, beyond- the- knowledge- horizon, deeply intertwined with out daily lives here, baffling phenomena, we try to measure them up with our known but obviously inadequate scales and units of measurement. It is just to exchange ideas and thought processes among similarly equiped minds. So "God, Heaven, Saayujyam, Karma, Punyam/Papam, Maya "etc., are all tentative and linguistic tools/terms used to exchange ideas. No one knows what God or Heaven looks like. Those who claim to have attained saayujyam never have come back here to tell us what the experience was like. Even if they tell we may not be able to relate to it. Punyam/papam are like the bitcoins we never see as they never exist physically any where. Our equipments can only perceive an external object if it has a physical existence. The rest are all just ideas and are abstract.
It need not lead to the conclusion that it is a degenerating mind which perceives all these bitcoins. On the contrary as the individual mind travels along the spiritual path crossing mile stones, and grasps difficult abstract ideas with a logic of their own, it gets enough brownie points that makes it happy beyond words. And it is happiness for which we all live and strive24x7.

You are putting too much into nothing. All these are just mere ideas and to harp on these and to condition our life based on guesswork is stretching it beyond reasonable limits.

So let us be less judgmental and more open to exotic abstract ideas. We may also attain saayujyam. LOL.

You have missed the mark here. Let us not live life based on unproven ideas and vain hopes of a non-existent super power.

 

[sravna]

Dear auh,

There is a big problem with scientific proofs. All that science studies are the effects. The fundamental quantity of force is an effect of energy. Science does not have a good definition of energy other than saying it is the capacity to do work. It defines energy by what it does and not by what it is. So science is shaky at the very fundamental level.

However it need not be the limitation of inquiry.That is when you discard all the physical instruments and try to get the answer through the instrument of mind. Physical instruments are limited in their ability to see beyond physical energy because to measure something , energy needs to change and something like spiritual energy which stays constant cannot be measured,

The long impasse in the understanding of experiments conducted in the field of quantum physics shows that science is ridden with some fundamentally improper understanding of reality. So let us not get hyper about scientific truths and proofs as they stand on tenuous metaphysical support.

Unless scientists get a good grasp of the fundamentals on the basis of sound metaphysics, they cannot claim to provide reliable knowledge about reality.

Our ancient seers rightly relied on direct intuitive knowledge and living in an age where mental maturity prevailed, they did not feel the need to explain the truth through physical observations. They also probably knew these observations themselves may not be repeatable with time and has limited use in corroborating the truth.

 

[tbs]

Dear Shri TBS,

In my view addiction to knowledge is less dangerous than addiction to objects. If the knowledge is higher knowledge it is even less dangerous. So you can relax.

hi

thanks srinivasan sir....NETI...NETI....PARA VIDYA.....APARA VIDYA......

 

[renuka]

hi sravana sir,

i have ONLY one addiction...that is TAMILBRAHMINS FORUM....very difficult to get rid of....wht to do...lol

Dear TBS ji,

I have got over that...

All thanks to Windows 10 trying to force its upgrade on to my Windows 8.1 each time I came online.

So I did not switch on my lap top for sometime and did not log in to forum.

Now I am not too much logging in as before.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,


I feel anything can be an addiction even spirituality.

Spirituality can go either way..that is the person eventually learns to wean it off and function in a neutral manner or there is a risk of being carried away by it and develops a Holier Than Thou attitude or at times starts to become delusional and not even realize it.

Its the same with anything else in the world..a person who becomes addicted to even good habits like exercise can become obsessive and that could lead to injuries.

There is nothing in this world that does not pose a risk of addiction..spirituality included.

There is no such thing as Spirituality can auto correct everything.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

Good to see you back.

My point is if I become addicted to spirituality, it is me who is not practicing spirituality in the proper way. The problem then would be with me and not with spirituality.

Makes sense?

 

[renuka]

The addiction may be for anything. The treatment is for any compulsive behavior. It may be for drugs, alcohol, sex and even for money.

Dear Sravna,

Why treat sex addiction?

Let people enjoy..I fee its the lack of sex that leads to war!

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Good to see you back.

My point is if I become addicted to spirituality, it is me who is not practicing spirituality in the proper way. The problem then would be with me and not with spirituality.

Makes sense?

Dear Sravna,

There is nothing wrong with anything as long as we do not get addicted to it.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Why treat sex addiction?

Let people enjoy..I fee its the lack of sex that leads to war!

Dear Renuka,

Addiction is something which is well beyond the normal. Just as a lack of something in certain cases is a problem excess of anything is a problem.

When someone gets addicted, the brain stops working, That can be dangerous for oneself and others.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

There is nothing wrong with anything as long as we do not get addicted to it.

Yes Renuka, but I agree only partly because one should be both not compulsive and not impulsive.

 

[renuka]

Ok lets compare Spirituality and Sex


Benefits of Spirituality:

1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God

5)Enhanced social ability.


Benefits of Sex:

1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God..even atheist scream O' God!

5)Enhanced social ability.



So Sravna...why do you rate spirituality above everything else when benefits are the same?

 

[sravna]

Ok lets compare Spirituality and Sex


Benefits of Spirituality:

1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God

5)Enhanced social ability.


Benefits of Sex:

1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God..even atheist scream O' God!

5)Enhanced social ability.



So Sravna...why do you rate spirituality above everything else when benefits are the same?

But after everything Renuka, it is spirituality that is really elevating

 

[renuka]

But after everything Renuka, it is spirituality that is really elevating

That again is the same for both.

BTW Sravna....I really don't get it..does spirituality gives that much of a "High"?


I have noted mainly its females that get over spiritual and feel some connection with God..that I can understand cos some might be lacking attention and seeks some holy communion with God..but males? Does a male ever need to get High on God?

 

[sravna]

That again is the same for both.

BTW Sravna....I really don't get it..does spirituality gives that much of a "High"?


I have noted mainly its females that get over spiritual and feel some connection with God..that I can understand cos some might be lacking attention and seeks some holy communion with God..but males? Does a male ever need to get High on God?

Yes Renuka, the positive energy that spirituality gives needs to be experienced to be believed. I myself have experienced a little of it and I can somewhat imagine what a full blown positive experience can be. For comparison, If you think that sex is bliss, experiences of spirituality are a much greater bliss. Let me say that the feelings are real just as in the case of sex

 

[renuka]

Yes Renuka, the positive energy that spirituality gives needs to be experienced to be believed. I myself have experienced a little of it and I can somewhat imagine what a full blown positive experience can be. For comparison, If you think that sex is bliss, experiences of spirituality are a much greater bliss. Let me say that the feelings are real just as in the case of sex

Sex is not bliss if its with the same partner for ever and ever..cos the brain goes into auto pilot mode and the amount of endorphins released wont be that much above the base line.

But if its with a new encounter ..greater amounts of endorphins are released and this is where BLISS is experienced cos Haram liaisons have more Blissful effect than Halal liaisons..this is when and where humans can get addicted to sex and jump from encounter to encounter.

Since you are planning to treat even sex addiction I hope you are aware of this fact that the brain of a sex addict does NOT know love..it just seeks new encounters that releases higher doses of endorphins.

Therefore if you are planning to detox a sex addict you need to have a plan to mimic a similar pattern to release endorphins to make him adhere to spirituality.

Frankly I feel a religion that has multiple forms of worship and multiple paths to follow certainly releases more endorphins than religions that only focus on one method of worship.

May be those who favor spirituality seek a greater Orgasm! O' GOD!LOL

 

[Vaagmi]

Ok lets compare Spirituality and Sex

Benefits of Spirituality:
1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God

5)Enhanced social ability.

Benefits of Sex:
1)Calmer mind

2)Release of endorphins

3)Feeling connected.

4)Feel closer to God..even atheist scream O' God!

5)Enhanced social ability.

So Sravna...why do you rate spirituality above everything else when benefits are the same?

What was left out:

Spirituality generally involves a single person.

Sex generally involves two.

So sex wins hands down. Hip Hip Hurray!!!

 

[sravna]

Sex is not bliss if its with the same partner for ever and ever..cos the brain goes into auto pilot mode and the amount of endorphins released wont be that much above the base line.

But if its with a new encounter ..greater amounts of endorphins are released and this is where BLISS is experienced cos Haram liaisons have more Blissful effect than Halal liaisons..this is when and where humans can get addicted to sex and jump from encounter to encounter.

Since you are planning to treat even sex addiction I hope you are aware of this fact that the brain of a sex addict does NOT know love..it just seeks new encounters that releases higher doses of endorphins.

Therefore if you are planning to detox a sex addict you need to have a plan to mimic a similar pattern to release endorphins to make him adhere to spirituality.

Frankly I feel a religion that has multiple forms of worship and multiple paths to follow certainly releases more endorphins than religions that only focus on one method of worship.

May be those who favor spirituality seek a greater Orgasm! O' GOD!LOL

Dear Renuka,

Constant change is what gives the bliss in sex. You cannot stick to one partner for bliss on the basis of sex alone. That is where love comes in. Love is a spiritual thing and does not require different partners for creating bliss. In fact in the case of love unlike sex, no change is what gives bliss. It is a higher and more enduring feeling than that from sex.

 

[sravna]

That again is the same for both.

BTW Sravna....I really don't get it..does spirituality gives that much of a "High"?


I have noted mainly its females that get over spiritual and feel some connection with God..that I can understand cos some might be lacking attention and seeks some holy communion with God..but males? Does a male ever need to get High on God?

Dear Renuka,

I agree. Males generally seek God for power exemplified in asuras seeking power from God. Females I think more often want to feel the power and not acquire power. What do you think?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I agree. Males generally seek God for power exemplified in asuras seeking power from God. Females I think more often want to feel the power and not acquire power. What do you think?

I have met some females who are into "spirituality"..they seem to have a notion that females are Shakti incarnate and have inherent Shakti in them.

I feel being estrogen based and less of testosterone..a female is subconsciously looking for an identity and expression of her own sans the need of a male but as long they are in the reproductive years with regular doses of physical relationship they are rather docile...BUT once they hit menopause where estrogen dips and a changed estrogen: testosterone ratio makes a female more "masculine" and they start to jump around more claiming "I've got the Power..Shakti the Power!"LOL

Males on the other hand are testosterone based creatures where instinct dominates more..so there is no acute need to feel the power cos the are the more dominant gender..they do not need to carve a separate identity cos they feel they were made to rule every creature in the universe and come up with all sorts of rules and regulations to boost their ego and to dominate.
They always think they know best for everyone especially when it comes to females.

That is why you can see even in Forum..any female based thread especially menstrual related threads become the hottest threads!LOL

A male never gets enough of being in power..they want it more and more partly becos testosterone boosts the body and mind to work in an active and passionate manner.

But once they start to age..where testosterone dips..then you can see some finer changes in their mind..they become more docile and start to pay attention to finer aspects of religion and spirituality.

That is why I am very surprised why you still being young guy are so involved with spirituality!LOL

 

[sravna]

I have met some females who are into "spirituality"..they seem to have a notion that females are Shakti incarnate and have inherent Shakti in them.

I feel being estrogen based and less of testosterone..a female is subconsciously looking for an identity and expression of her own sans the need of a male but as long they are in the reproductive years with regular doses of physical relationship they are rather docile...BUT once they hit menopause where estrogen dips and a changed estrogen: testosterone ratio makes a female more "masculine" and they start to jump around more claiming "I've got the Power..Shakti the Power!"LOL

Males on the other hand are testosterone based creatures where instinct dominates more..so there is no acute need to feel the power cos the are the more dominant gender..they do not need to carve a separate identity cos they feel they were made to rule every creature in the universe and come up with all sorts of rules and regulations to boost their ego and to dominate.
They always think they know best for everyone especially when it comes to females.

That is why you can see even in Forum..any female based thread especially menstrual related threads become the hottest threads!LOL

A male never gets enough of being in power..they want it more and more partly becos testosterone boosts the body and mind to work in an active and passionate manner.

But once they start to age..where testosterone dips..then you can see some finer changes in their mind..they become more docile and start to pay attention to finer aspects of religion and spirituality.

That is why I am very surprised why you still being young guy are so involved with spirituality!LOL

Dear Renuka,

Good analysis. But if someone is into spirituality, it does not mean he has to be involved only in religious activities. A a matter of fact beyond a level of spirituality you become at ease with religious and worldly activities. As Shri Vaagmi said recently one can enjoy the best of both the worlds. Surprisingly that requires a high level of spirituality because only then you can see the limits and you will not cross any line and be always in control of self

Those who are caught between spirituality and materialism, suffer because they can be neither truly spiritual nor truly materialistic. They mostly end up as hypocrites. And those who are materialistic, enjoy materialism but sadly oblivious of the spiritual .