How can we encourage our kids to go to temple more?

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

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I agree with you but one thing, we must all understand. Whether we take engineering,
medical or professional courses, we have to watch our prosperity and future with
some anecdotes, as to what is the reality. Where is the scope and where we are leading
to. If you ask me, I will say, today's trend is shortage of mechanical engineering, though
IT field is fetching handsome salary. Because I have retired from R&D Orgn after serving
for nearly 4 decades. But the taste of the person, interest and knowledge in a particular
field also depends. Do the parents have a voice or not to tell the child on the facts of
the issue!

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

#375

Lord Mahabaleswar Temple - Could be a Tourist spot. Anyhow Lord Siva will
bless you for chanting Rudram continuously. Sivaya Namaha

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[anushagn]

Dear Anushagan:




It is a pleasure to welcome you and your age group to this forum. You can see that the original question of this thread was meant for youngsters like yourself and I am so glad that you took time first to go through this site and found it interesting to peep in and write to us. Hopefully you will find many forums here to be informative, fun and inspiring for you.

I would also encourage you to respond to this initial question.

1. Do you find it is valuable to go to temples?
2. If so, why do you find it valuable?
3. If not, what are some of the reasons you dont enjoy going to the temples?
4. If you would like to go to temples more, how can your parents, elders, your peers or temples themselves make your experience of going to temples more enjoyable?
5. What are your thoughts in general, about God and Religion from your own perspective?
6. How interesting or boring you find the discussions on various forums here?

I know it is a lot of questions; you certainly dont need to answer any of these if you dont want to. But it will be very informative for us to see what our young generation of today perceive of religion and our temples. I would also encourage you to bring more of your friends to this forum to enlighten us of your thoughts in general and matters of interest that are being discussed here on a daily basis?

Thank you for writing and we hope you will keep in touch with all of us!!!!!

Best wishes

Thank u sir! For ur wishes and blessings..
I just wrote what i felt.. Bcoz i ve got the interest towards our traditions and heritage only through the reasoning and stories from my father and mother.
Now i use to naraate those divine stories to my friends..
I ll just say u an example sir.
I ve a junior in my department who use to approach me for subject clarifications..
She "was" an athiest..
I was reading a book depicting the inner meaning of LORD KRISHNA's RAJALEELA..
She started kidding me for that..
I just said her to ask her questions regarding that. She asked me a plenty.
I said her the answers which my father said me as a story and my own clarifications which i came to know from that book and internet.
She came daily with some qustions to me.
I said her..
Believe or not..
She is attracted towards Lord Krishna now.. She has started believing him..
So everything begins just la that sir..
We can create interest through our patience..
I used to narrate stories to my friends but never said such things to her.. Purposefully..
When she asked me the reason 4 not saying those b4 itself, i just said her that no god pesters any of us preach..
She was impressed again..
God has given us the good talent to speak..
Let us use atleast a part of it in a useful way sir..

 

[anushagn]

Answer for ques1 and 2:

Yes sir. I really find it valuabe to go to temples.
Believe it or not, i ve been taken to many temples from my childhood by my parents.
I was said the "STHALAPURANAM and THE SPECIALATIES" of the temple by my parents.
As i knw the historical importance of those temples (eg:if it is a "PAADAL PETRA STHALAM") and so on..
I really find it valuable.


Answer for ques 4:
My parents generally make it intersting by saying the sanctity of the place and narrating its history.
They used to tell me everything..
From the king or the person who built it, time taken to build it, how it is being taken care of, the story of the diety there and everything..
The best eg for that is the temple called "AMBAR MAGALAM"..

Answer for 5:
God is to worship..
I see my god in my favo subject, in anybody who cares me, in any human who has some heart 4 which he worries..
I never ask god for this and that..
But i know 1thing sir.. That is, God always gives me the best.
He punishes me for my mistakes done to others. He always makes me remember that iam an ordinary human and not superior or inferior to anybody.
When i feel bad, sorry or lonely, he gives me something that makes me happy.
When i go out of good things, he slaps me like anyhting to say me my mistake.
So, iam sure about 1thing sir..
"AVAN INDRI ANUVUM ASAYADHU"
I dont do lots of poojas and keep on chant mantras..
But i believe that he watches me always..
That belief will give me strength always..

Religion is a way to worship.
that's it sir.
I ve read some pages of bible too. I ve read ramayan and mahabarath too. (Not the extremely detailed version) All those gives us a way to worship god and get his blessings..
Iam not against any religion..


Answer for 6:

Questions are worth thinking sir..
Surely, these questions and articles will bring some remarkable canges in young minds.. 1 day..

 

[anushagn]

"as "u" said", just get adjusted sir.
Nothing wrong. Youngsters are not against the rules sir. We also have some rules in our life. The thing is that we have made some modifications in it keeping our mode of education,job and living style in mind. We accept the changes like Windows xp to Windows 7 na sir? It is just like the same. Changes made due to needs. It will always bring good results. Even better.. Trust us sir..

 

[Yamaka]

"as "u" said", just get adjusted sir.
Nothing wrong. Youngsters are not against the rules sir. We also have some rules in our life. The thing is that we have made some modifications in it keeping our mode of education,job and living style in mind. We accept the changes like Windows xp to Windows 7 na sir? It is just like the same. Changes made due to needs. It will always bring good results. Even better.. Trust us sir..

Hi Anushagn:

Nice posts..and your approach of Q & A.

Perhaps, you may have read some of my posts here: I am a self-proclaimed Atheist, initially from a very religious orthodox family in Ramanathapuram disrict (a very tiny village in the remotest part of the forgotten Rural India!).

My Q to you are here, you may try to answer them, if you wish:

1. Why do you believe in the existence of a Super-Natural Agent (preferably in the figure of a Super Human) somewhere in the Universe, controlling ALL activities of ALL living beings, including humans and ALL inanimate objects? What's the Modus Operandi of such SN Agent?

This Agent is what's described in the Holy Books of Vedas/Scriptures, Holy Bible or Holy Koran.

2. Do you believe in the operation of Janma Poorva Karma - the essence of Rebirth and Reincarnation of Soul - the fundamental cardinal principle of Hinduism (here Christianity and Islam do not believe in JPK), although they all believe in item 1 above?

3. Do you believe in the usefulness of prayers, poojas and bhahjans, LONG TERM (other than transient satisfaction or the peace of mind to the believer)? Who is listening to these prayers etc.. what's the Modus Operandi of how these get answered by the SN entity?

I don't believe in any of the above, thus I am an Atheist. I am a Senior Scientist, a Principal Investigator in Neurological Science in a medical school in the US today. I believe in the Human Evolution that started billions of years ago...

God and Religions are the products and brain child of MEN..nothing more nothing less.

Let's talk about your answers, if you want to...

Cheers.

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

Hi Anushagn:Nice posts..and your approach of Q & A.Perhaps, you may have read some of my posts here: I am a self-proclaimed Atheist, initially from a very religious orthodox family in Ramanathapuram disrict (a very tiny village in the remotest part of the forgotten Rural India!).My Q to you are here, you may try to answer them, if you wish:1. Why do you believe in the existence of a Super-Natural Agent (preferably in the figure of a Super Human) somewhere in the Universe, controlling ALL activities of ALL living beings, including humans and ALL inanimate objects? What's the Modus Operandi of such SN Agent?This Agent is what's described in the Holy Books of Vedas/Scriptures, Holy Bible or Holy Koran.2. Do you believe in the operation of Janma Poorva Karma - the essence of Rebirth and Reincarnation of Soul - the fundamental cardinal principle of Hinduism (here Christianity and Islam do not believe in JPK), although they all believe in item 1 above?3. Do you believe in the usefulness of prayers, poojas and bhahjans, LONG TERM (other than transient satisfaction or the peace of mind to the believer)? Who is listening to these prayers etc.. what's the Modus Operandi of how these get answered by the SN entity?I don't believe in any of the above, thus I am an Atheist. I am a Senior Scientist, a Principal Investigator in Neurological Science in a medical school in the US today. I believe in the Human Evolution that started billions of years ago... God and Religions are the products and brain child of MEN..nothing more nothing less.Let's talk about your answers, if you want to...Cheers.

hello sir,well i'd strongly disagree on this particular point..that god is product of men...Religion i totally agree made by men..but an all powerful super being above is surely there..and not a creation of man...

 

[Yamaka]

hello sir,well i'd strongly disagree on this particular point..that god is product of men...Religion i totally agree made by men..but an all powerful super being above is surely there..and not a creation of man...

Hello Soumya:

I am happy that you agree that ALL Religions were made by MEN.

If you believe in "An All Powerful Super Being", please elucidate the Modus Operandi as to how this Super Natural Being operate controlling ALL acitivities in this Universe?

My hypothesis is this: Random events do occur, both good and bad to humans.. there is no easy way to understand them. With the help of Science Engineering Technology and the underlying process involved in it (Rational Thinking and Experimentation), we can slowly decipher and possibly control Nature.

Nature which embodies all the laws of biology, medicine, physics, chemistry, astronomy etc etc is the Supreme Power... a Natural Power.

Not a Super-Natural Power, as envisioned in the Holy Books of Vedas, Koran or Bible.

I am a Naturalist, and I submit to the awesome Power of Nature...if you call Nature as God, then we are in agreement..

Then, there is no need or room for prayers, poojas and bhajans... For Nature doesn't care about all those PRAISES or Aaradhana from the hapless human beings, who try to bribe the Gods! LOL

Cheers.

 

[kunjuppu]

dear yamaka,

i believe in randomness of things happening too. especially of late. this against my previous faiths of predestined plan (God has a plan for everyone) or cause/effect (if you are good, good things only will happen to you).

now i believe God lets everything happen at random.

i still pray, for comfort.

does this come close to what you believe. or do we part, at the point of prayers, if we say God = Nature?

thank you

 

[Yamaka]

dear yamaka,

i believe in randomness of things happening too. especially of late. this against my previous faiths of predestined plan (God has a plan for everyone) or cause/effect (if you are good, good things only will happen to you).

now i believe God lets everything happen at random.

i still pray, for comfort.

does this come close to what you believe. or do we part, at the point of prayers, if we say God = Nature?

thank you

Dear K:

I know from my parents and other people I know that they pray to God all the time: that is for their peace of mind.. but expecting that such prayers WILL give "positive results" to make life "happy or better" will be a big mistake, IMO... simply because there is no known method or modus operandi for the prayers to be heard by the Super Natural Agent AND ACT on those prayers!

Someone suggested that wirelessly Believers communicate with the God, and that GOD will respond, if you SINCERELY and SERIOUSLY ask for anything!

I just don't see anyway possible that happen. Because I am a Non-Believer in that Super-Natural God..

If Nature = God, I believe in that God... but Nature will never ACT according to OUR prayers: It follows it's own logic... many of which humans have not understood as yet... we are just trying hard everyday.

As an Atheist and a Naturalist, my guiding principles in my life have been -

Hard work, Rationality, Good Planning and Execution.

Yes, sometimes things go bad, not the way I wanted... then I calmly "think thru" all the steps and change my view on the matter on hand or the steps I undertook.. then go on and face the REAL world.

I treat others same way I expect others treat me: Be reasonable and Nice.

With that I live my life and so far so good... no regrets!

Peace be with you and all the readers here.

 

[geetu habibah]

Hi Anushagn:

Nice posts..and your approach of Q & A.

Perhaps, you may have read some of my posts here: I am a self-proclaimed Atheist, initially from a very religious orthodox family in Ramanathapuram disrict (a very tiny village in the remotest part of the forgotten Rural India!).

My Q to you are here, you may try to answer them, if you wish:

1. Why do you believe in the existence of a Super-Natural Agent (preferably in the figure of a Super Human) somewhere in the Universe, controlling ALL activities of ALL living beings, including humans and ALL inanimate objects? What's the Modus Operandi of such SN Agent?

This Agent is what's described in the Holy Books of Vedas/Scriptures, Holy Bible or Holy Koran.

2. Do you believe in the operation of Janma Poorva Karma - the essence of Rebirth and Reincarnation of Soul - the fundamental cardinal principle of Hinduism (here Christianity and Islam do not believe in JPK), although they all believe in item 1 above?

3. Do you believe in the usefulness of prayers, poojas and bhahjans, LONG TERM (other than transient satisfaction or the peace of mind to the believer)? Who is listening to these prayers etc.. what's the Modus Operandi of how these get answered by the SN entity?

I don't believe in any of the above, thus I am an Atheist. I am a Senior Scientist, a Principal Investigator in Neurological Science in a medical school in the US today. I believe in the Human Evolution that started billions of years ago...

God and Religions are the products and brain child of MEN..nothing more nothing less.

Let's talk about your answers, if you want to...

Cheers.

Dear Yamaka,

I am reading what you wrote but I feel you are always leaving out an important point that is the fact you were born in a muslim family before you became an Atheist.
That point is very important to any newcomer because it will give a clearer picture of your understanding of religion and god which might differ from most of members here.

In Islam there is no believe in Karma and rebirth so I can understand if you do not subscribe to it and might lack a certain degree of understanding to debate further on it.

I agree none of us especially me are experts in religion and god but may be we should acknowledge our lack of understanding before anyone of us make statements without solid evidence.

The debate can go either way.One may argue there is no evidence and need for God and another may argue there is no evidence to disprove god either.

So till then Peace be with everyone.

Hare Krishna

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Yamaka,

I am reading what you wrote but I feel you are always leaving out an important point that is the fact you were born in a muslim family before you became an Atheist.
That point is very important to any newcomer because it will give a clearer picture of your understanding of religion and god which might differ from most of members here.

In Islam there is no believe in Karma and rebirth so I can understand if you do not subscribe to it and might lack a certain degree of understanding to debate further on it.

I agree none of us especially me are experts in religion and god but may be we should acknowledge our lack of understanding before anyone of us make statements without solid evidence.

The debate can go either way.One may argue there is no evidence and need for God and another may argue there is no evidence to disprove god either.

So till then Peace be with everyone.

Hare Krishna

Dear gh:

1. I always said I was raised in an orthodox religious household as a child/youngster. I followed what my mom wanted me to do - otherwise she will cry! As a yougster I was supposed to follow what the family says, and I did not know to think on my own until I went to college.

2. I write elaborately about my opinion about God, Religion, Culture, my Values etc as an ADULT.

3. Of the three items I wrote in my previous posts, I clearly said that Christianity and Islam do not believe in Janma Poorva Karma. But, they believe in item 1 (Super Natural Agent) and 3 Usefulness of prayers, poojas and bhakti.

4. I don't expect TRUE BELIEVERS to debate about their Religiosity or Sprituality with me or anyone... because already they have made up their mind - they are comfortable with their BELIEF... perhaps, they have peace of mind... fine with me.

The problem comes only when these BELIEVERS want to RATIONALIZE what they do and believe in...

I posit that the youngsters aged over 14 growing up in large metropolitcan/cosmopolitan centers like Houston, NY, Chennai etc will try to RATIONALIZE with the IDEA of GOD, Religion and what people do during prayers, poojas and bhajans.

If you believe this, then we can talk.

Otherwise, we should not debate such issues... we can talk about politics, culture, society, science, engineering & technology etc etc.

Cheers.

ps. I posed those THREE questions to Anu because she said she wants to deal with potential questions that kids will ask.

 

[geetu habibah]

Dear gh:

1. I always said I was raised in an orthodox religious household as a child/youngster. I followed what my mom wanted me to do - otherwise she will cry! As a yougster I was supposed to follow what the family says, and I did not know to think on my own until I went to college.

2. I write elaborately about my opinion about God, Religion, Culture, my Values etc as an ADULT.

3. Of the three items I wrote in my previous posts, I clearly said that Christianity and Islam do not believe in Janma Poorva Karma. But, they believe in item 1 (Super Natural Agent) and 3 Usefulness of prayers, poojas and bhakti.

4. I don't expect TRUE BELIEVERS to debate about their Religiosity or Sprituality with me or anyone... because already they have made up their mind - they are comfortable with their BELIEF... perhaps, they have peace of mind... fine with me.

The problem comes only when these BELIEVERS want to RATIONALIZE what they do and believe in...

I posit that the youngsters aged over 14 growing up in large metropolitcan/cosmopolitan centers like Houston, NY, Chennai etc will try to RATIONALIZE with the IDEA of GOD, Religion and what people do during prayers, poojas and bhajans.

If you believe this, then we can talk.

Otherwise, we should not debate such issues... we can talk about politics, culture, society, science, engineering & technology etc etc.

Cheers.

ps. I posed those THREE questions to Anu because she said she wants to deal with potential questions that kids will ask.

Dear Yamaka,

What baffles me is that you still write that you are married to a sweet TB even though you talk about being secular you never fail to mention your wife's caste but very reluctant to admit that you did belong to Islam before.

You gave me lots of confidence when I joined here to be proud of my origins but today after reading your response all I can say is I am disappointed.

I respect your opinion though but I rest my case.

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Yamaka,

What baffles me is that you still write that you are married to a sweet TB even though you talk about being secular you never fail to mention your wife's caste but very reluctant to admit that you did belong to Islam before.

You gave me lots of confidence when I joined here to be proud of my origins but today after reading your response all I can say is I am disappointed.

I respect your opinion though but I rest my case.

Dear gh:

1. Yes, my household is SECULAR because we don't have a prayer or pooja room or any word of God/Religion in our house. I have never prayed God for anything in the past 40 years. Because, I know that MAN created God & Religion for his own self-centered purpose.

Also I said, my TB wife is an Agno-Theist, who whenever she feels like, goes to Temple here with kids or w/o them.

My kids when small were very curious as to what happens in the Temple! Whenever they showed such interest, I did not stop them going to Temple accompanying their mother. It was more of CURIOSITY for my kids than RELIGIOSITY.

At home, we don't invoke for anything from any God. This is how my wife and I decided to start the family - something that we agreed BEFORE the marriage.

Thus, if the house has no religious activity inside, then it is a SECULAR household.

2. When I say my wife is a Sweet and Smart Tamil Brahmin from Trichy, I say it all.. what more do you need, anyway?

3. I don't write about my childhood because I ran away from Islam once I became 20/21 of age.. How could I write big about anything I resented most and ran away at the earliest opportune time?

Granted, I had a very happy childhood otherwise: my mom and aunts took care of me with warmth and love. My father and uncles always traveled because of business and work - we all lived in a large joint family, as was the case in our village.

4. Your need for "lots of confidence and being proud of your origin" is a matter you need to write about.. where is the need for disappointment here?

5. I have said that you are becoming Lord Krishna follower after a life in an Athiest household, and I became an Atheist after a life in a very Theist household.. a very interesing and contrasting situation, however.

I understand now as an adult you ARE happy with your new found devotion to Lord Krishna... then why worry and get disappointment on a self proclaimed Atheist like me?

Take care.

Cheers.

ps. The reason why I call my wife an "Agno-Theist" is she says "I don't know" to all the THREE questions I posed to Anu.. Agno means "no knowledge of"..stilll she wants to be a Theist because of TRADITION and some FEAR

 

[ShivKC]

Dear K:

I know from my parents and other people I know that they pray to God all the time: that is for their peace of mind..

Yams, just curious! without god, what are all the other ways you get peace of mind?

dont tell me, i spend time with children, listen to music et all, cos, the believers in god also get things out of the same mode, which is common things for both.

so, can you claim some thing unique, for eg, by rejecting god you are getting a good peace of mind!

 

[KRS]

Dear Sri Yamaka Ji,

I am from Trichy, so looks like brilliant folks come from there .

Seriously, let me ask you a simple question.

Who is responsible for creating this universe we live in? A simple explanation, using the established principle of cause and effect will suffice.

Regards,
KRS

 

[guruvayurappan]

welcome anushagn !
the forum got pesa therintha penn oruthi .
the following senrences impressed me
He always makes me remember that iam an ordinary human and not superior or inferior to anybody.
"AVAN INDRI ANUVUM ASAYADHU"
I dont do lots of poojas and keep on chant mantras..
But i believe that he watches me always..
That belief will give me strength always..
We accept the changes like Windows xp to Windows 7 na sir?

 

[guruvayurappan]

ayasamy !please allow anushagn to express her own view.one member is putting question about belief and you put question as per your logic.any how it is interesting and definitely she will answer your questions in a stunning manner.
i read about people speaking of their own stories in between interesting discussions and you too is not an exception (i am also of the same sort ha ha)
guruvayurappan

 

[guruvayurappan]

Dear Sri Yamaka Ji,

I am from Trichy, so looks like brilliant folks come from there .

Seriously, let me ask you a simple question.

Who is responsible for creating this universe we live in? A simple explanation, using the established principle of cause and effect will suffice.

Regards,
KRS

I am from Trichy, so looks like brilliant folks come from there
for that only we used to say kavery thanner.

 

[guruvayurappan]

helloyamaka !
very nice and the forum is turning to an interesting and thrilling place
all the best
guruvayurappan

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dear Sri Yamaka Ji,

I am from Trichy, so looks like brilliant folks come from there .
Seriously, let me ask you a simple question.
Who is responsible for creating this universe we live in? A simple explanation, using the established principle of cause and effect will suffice.
Regards,
KRS

Dear Shri KRS,

Namasthe,

I am from Coimbatore, we love good food and have high sense of humour.

I may not be able to answer your "simple" query with cause and effect theory, but like to quote from "Upton Lectures" (1926) on "The Hindu view of Life" at Oxford by Dr.S.Radhakrishnan.

"If we raise the question as to how the finite rises from out of the bosom of the infinite, Samkara says that it is an incomprehensible mystery, maya. We know that there is the absolute reality , we know that there is the empirical world, we know that the empirical world rests on the Absolute, but the how of it is beyond our knowledge."(pp45)

Then continues with an interesting view:

"The Hindu view rebels against the cold and formal conception of God who is external to the world, and altogether remote and transcendent. The natural law of the world is but a working of God's sovereign purpose. The uniformity of nature, the orderliness of the cosmos, and the steady reaching forward and upward of the course of evolution proclaim not the unconscious throbbing of a soulless engine, but the directing mind of an all-knowing spirit. The indwelling of God in the universe does not mean the identity of God with the universe. According to the latter view of God is so immanent in every thing that we have only to open our eyes to see God in it, that also there is nothing of God left outside the whole of things. God lies spread out before us. The world is not only a revelation, but an exhaustive revelation God." (pp48)

Warm Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

Dear gh:1. Yes, my household is SECULAR because we don't have a prayer or pooja room or any word of God/Religion in our house. I have never prayed God for anything in the past 40 years. Because, I know that MAN created God & Religion for his own self-centered purpose.Also I said, my TB wife is an Agno-Theist, who whenever she feels like, goes to Temple here with kids or w/o them. My kids when small were very curious as to what happens in the Temple! Whenever they showed such interest, I did not stop them going to Temple accompanying their mother. It was more of CURIOSITY for my kids than RELIGIOSITY.At home, we don't invoke for anything from any God. This is how my wife and I decided to start the family - something that we agreed BEFORE the marriage.Thus, if the house has no religious activity inside, then it is a SECULAR household.2. When I say my wife is a Sweet and Smart Tamil Brahmin from Trichy, I say it all.. what more do you need, anyway?3. I don't write about my childhood because I ran away from Islam once I became 20/21 of age.. How could I write big about anything I resented most and ran away at the earliest opportune time?Granted, I had a very happy childhood otherwise: my mom and aunts took care of me with warmth and love. My father and uncles always traveled because of business and work - we all lived in a large joint family, as was the case in our village.4. Your need for "lots of confidence and being proud of your origin" is a matter you need to write about.. where is the need for disappointment here?5. I have said that you are becoming Lord Krishna follower after a life in an Athiest household, and I became an Atheist after a life in a very Theist household.. a very interesing and contrasting situation, however.I understand now as an adult you ARE happy with your new found devotion to Lord Krishna... then why worry and get disappointment on a self proclaimed Atheist like me?Take care.Cheers.ps. The reason why I call my wife an "Agno-Theist" is she says "I don't know" to all the THREE questions I posed to Anu.. Agno means "no knowledge of"..stilll she wants to be a Theist because of TRADITION and some FEAR

can you prove that god doesn't exist?What makes you think so?How did man come into existence according to you?15 years or so when you were young, during ramadan you kept a fast just because you were forced to by your family?You didnt know for whom or why you were taking the fast for?you just feel it is some crap created by humans??

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

God has said,"You will seek me and find me; when you seek me with all your heart, i will be found by you"Let's just go back to the beginning of universe..Some think it was the natural evolution process..if it is so,then how did it start..who began the evolution?apes?monkeys?okay even then who created them...they just dropped into Earth?if so how?Now the whole big bang theory...that once upon a time long long ago all of a sudden nobody knows how but the universe,the plants,the organisms everything just came into existence...ok,they came into existence...but how..??just like that human body,the most complex structure cannot be made...K..now let us just suppose one man and a woman were just dropped to earth and told..okay from now on you are responsible to create the men of the world..this earth belongs to you...you can do anything with the earth..Now who dropped those two to earth...Whichever way there has to be that one Creator who created..the creator,the Master brain of it all...Every cell,every single cell in our body consists of much much complex mechanisms,which is even beyond the thinking capability of normal man...even with the most microscopic studies,man hasn't yet discovered everything..and how the systems work...Who could be behind the whole creation of man,or animals, or any microorganisms?

 

[nannilam_balasubramanian]

You have brought out the entire thing of Brahma's activity in a nutshell
and Chitra Gupta to write their living standards on the earth etc without
pronouncing it otherwise.

Balasubramanian
Ambattur

 

[kunjuppu]

soumya,

re your post #398,

yes, i am a believer of God. i say my hanuman prayers several times daily, for comfort.

every prayer is for some request. i do not request material things, but i do have certain wishes, and i suppose, a fervent appeal, is in a way positive thinking, as i do not expect favours or ill-will from the ManAbove.

which is why i have come to believe things happen at random.

i have close friends, who are stricken with colon cancer. both are not only vegetarians, but also avoid, egg, meat & alcohol and such good stuff. they have spent months wondering what it is in them caused the disease, particularly when there is no hereditary incident of the same.

they live in clean neighbourhoods void of any chemicals. you name any potential cause, and it negative for them.

also, i find, bad things happen to good people. bad people, do not always get punished for their bad deeds. to me the biggest disappointment of 20th century, is pol pot, dying peacefully in bed. so also, mao and stalin. together these guys, systematically
have murdered, i think, more than 15 million people. innocent people.

so, dear soumya, God may have been the cause of us being here through his will, but i dont want to burden god or myself, with the
thought that everything that happens to me is by divine grace. because some things dont make sense as described above. many a
things about faith i do not understand, and i am comfortable in attributing it to the 'mysteries of the faith'. no problem there.

hope this post made sense. somewhat. some little. maybe not. none at all. i am losing confidence in myself now