How can we encourage our kids to go to temple more?

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Soumya,

There are varying traditions within what we call hinduism today. Atheism is an accepted path of philosophical enquiry in shankhya, yoga and early vaisheshika schools. So all forms of faith have a rightful place in hinduism. Atheism included.

Ofcourse on a personal note people can argue over the existence of God.

The idea of a God who sits in some place and churns out souls as an everyday job and judges those who return back to him, is not appealing to me. I do beleive in some kind of a supernatural energy, which i call supernatural simply because we do not understand certian things yet. I also beleive in karma and spirit.

In an ancient time man had to struggle in the wilderness, protect himself from animals, harsh weather, etc. Perhaps a great spirit, or guru or god, was he who discovered means of sheltering and nurturing life (discovered habitable caves, how to tame animals, do farming, etc).

Members of a tribe may have looked upon such a person, as a guru-God destained to receive holy knowledege of life, from their 'original God' or 'original spirit' (ie., from their 'creator' whom they may have postulated, in their beleif system, to be the 'Sun God' spirit. Meaning, to them the Sun God and their guru-God are both the same spirit).

Such a guru-God may have taught the tribe the knowledge of life, so the tribesmen would have looked upon him as verily Vid or a personification of Veda (vid / knowledge). Considering how difficult it was to sustain life in an ancient past, this is a possibility.

Perhaps after being deceased, the guru-God spirit was still sought as a protector spirit. This may have continued in time; and chieftains many centuries after him were still motivated or invoked in the name both, the guru-God spirit as well as the original-God spirit, to protect them or win for their clan.

If we look at the past, many chieftains / kings have claimed to be gods; but not all were elevated as the same. Only those who performed supernatural feats were elevated as Gods, perhaps because those supernatural feats were a sign that the original-God had now come into the chieftain / king.

I feel most of our concepts have arisen from Naturalism. From a natural wondering of nature; and from concepts of early sustenence of life. We invoke the presence of God, dress up God, sing, to feel the presence of God. This feeling may have an evolutionary value also, as it helps to deal with pain, manage things better, and helps / propels us to survive. Hence, we have the idea that 'faith saves'.

 

[Servall]

Dear Anushagan and Soumya:

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to thank you for patiently answering some of my questions and do the same courtesy by telling you some of my thoughts. You seem to be both wonderful kids with patience to hear us out and when I talk to you I feel I am talking to my own children, if something does not agree with you, please feel free to ignore me!!!

I stumbled upon this site by accident about 8 months ago and got very excited that I could discuss the things that are important to me with some like-minded friends. Gradually I found the topics, the tone and lack of focus to the subject chosen, boring and mundane to me. I lost interest and instead of browsing this site everyday it became almost once a week. For the first time after a few months, the presence of youngsters like you feels like someone opened a big window and let in fresh air. At the end of the day, what youngsters like you guys feel, tell us and do matter the most, for people like myself who are pushing retirement age, your generation gets to call the shots and lead the world beyond all the mysteries that lay hidden in front of you.

God means different things to different people. Some may question the worship of Rama and Krishna and the rest in our temples as mere idols and that they don’t speak to us!! They might say you weren’t there those times and how can you prove they ever existed. To it you might say, if Rama and Krishna were avatars of same God that came down in different yugas to save mankind, you could see the same Rama and Krishna as someone closer to you or as Soumya beautifully said “I see my god in my favo subject, in anybody who cares me, in any human who has some heart 4 which he worries.. (Anushagan). I remember reading a book by a Mr. Kasturi who lived and worked with Sai Baba until he died, and once he told Baba that he wanted to go to Tirupathi to worship Lord Venkateswara, Baba smilingly said ok. As Mr. Kasturi stood in front of Perumal and opened his eyes he could see only Baba and never once he saw Perumal there!! It is all what you believe in.

And God does not need to appear to you in God form either!!

As part of our program in our Sai Center we conduct Narayan Seva during winter months. The purpose of the program is to collect warm blankets, sweaters and winter clothing during summer months, wash, sort by size and keep them ready for winter. On Sunday early mornings we ask the youngsters (about 18 to 24) to go around in vans to look for homeless people who live on street sewers for warmth in card board boxes and shivering in cold temperatures. Our kids give them warm clothes, serve coffee and sandwiches. We claim countries are rich and the people around us rich, but most of us are morally bankrupt and fail to see misery and suffering around us. Now this has nothing to do with God, but when these kids come back to the center after distribution they are overwhelmed and they begin to see life in whole different terms and some of them think they see God in those men and women who faintly say thank you by words or through kindness in their eyes!!
I will share with you another story: I know of an aged couple who I know for many years living in my neighbourhood. The gentleman is a black professional engineer and the lady a white school teacher; they fell in love and married (against many odds) some 25 years ago. But they both agreed from the first day of their marriage that they would never have any children of their own, instead adopt kids from orphanages. They went to different orphanages and adopted 5 kids of different races and ages and all of them were abandoned children. They cared for them as their own, and to make the story short , one kid a beautiful girl wanted to be a model but had change of heart and pursued medicine and she is an intern now trying to become a plastic surgeon; another kid is a kineseologist, working for a minor baseball club; another kid is a political science major wanting to become full time politician; two other kids are still in college. Now about two years ago, the original mother of the political science student came looking for him; the adopted parents kindly welcomed her to the house and let the kid talk to the biological mother several hours; they both cried and huddled each other in private. But finally the kid told the biological mother, the son you abandoned died long time ago; now this is the new me, when you gave birth to me you didn’t know what you wanted in your life, I know what I want, I want to be a politician, you can come and visit me anytime; but the adopted parents are my parents and I will never leave them. If what that kid did was right or wrong, is not our call, but if that kid was an Indian, may be he will see the Hanuman idol as his black father as symbol of valor and devotion!!!!Another kid may visualize Rama and Sita as these two adopted parents!! So God means differently to them!! So next time you visit the temple, who knows, you may see in these idols other things that are meaningful to you.

So don’t let anyone push you to justify your beliefs as long as YOU believe in them; what other people tell you can teach you lessons and they are without question valuable (like fire is hot) but it is only the real events and the experiences around those events will shape your character and destiny. Like Yamaka did, go and experience your own life and find your own God. If you have time, go do some honest part time work to make extra money, in whatever work you like to do and get the experience. Have fun, exciting times are ahead for you, Sachin may score a hundred soon!! Never give out your personal information in public forums; I am sure you have your own worries in your life and leave the discussions on maida mavu, how to make coffee, curd, kuthhu songs for retirees like us!!!! I wish I could be 20 again and do all the things that I am telling you to do and never did, kids will be kids, and elders will be elders, cycle never stops….some day when you get to our age, you can copy and paste this post to someone else that is a teen ager!!!!!

Take care.

 

[anushagn]

Thank u so much..
"Pesa therindha penn oruthi"..
Kidding?

 

[kunjuppu]

...; I am sure you have your own worries in your life and leave the discussions on maida mavu, how to make coffee, curd, kuthhu songs for retirees like us!!!! I wish I could be 20 again and do all the things that I am telling you to do and never did, kids will be kids, and elders will be elders, cycle never stops….some day when you get to our age, you can copy and paste this post to someone else that is a teen ager!!!!!

Take care.

enna saar servall, coping out so soon and not yet even in the autumn of your life !!

my own attitude is different and i would like you to join me. i am 61, but i enjoy making friends of those in the 20s and 30s or even younger. i tend to treat them as equals and discourage when someone calls me mama or any address of respect.

for i think, this 'us and them', 'elders and youngsters' differentiation and segregation, we all end up missing our the key elemetn of friendship - open, frank and uncensored.

i find your post, lot of advice, as befitting someone who thinks he is old and can freely dispense advice to a youngster.

why not look upon yorself too, as a learner and student? just because you are retired from your job, is there need to be an attitude, that 'wish your were 20 again'? why cannot you imagine you are twenty now, and think like today's 20? what a great transformation of attitude and experience you will have?

let us forget our age. and frolick with the youth and exchange ideas and views as equals. i find life more entertaining that way, that exercising my jaw with a bunch of geriatrics

best wishes...

 

[anushagn]

Thank u so much sir.. 4 ur words.. Especially "Take care"..
According to me, this is what The god almighty gives us.. That is, "The magnanimous mind and heart to live and let others live". That is sometimes expressed by words.. La those i ve put in double quotes..

 

[anushagn]

Thank u so much sir.. 4 ur words.. Especially "Take care"..
According to me, this is what The god almighty gives us.. That is, "The magnanimous mind and heart to live and let others live". That is sometimes expressed by words.. La those i ve put in double quotes..

 

[anushagn]

Dear Anushagan and Soumya:

Sorry for the long post but I wanted to thank you for patiently answering some of my questions and do the same courtesy by telling you some of my thoughts. You seem to be both wonderful kids with patience to hear us out and when I talk to you I feel I am talking to my own children, if something does not agree with you, please feel free to ignore me!!!

I stumbled upon this site by accident about 8 months ago and got very excited that I could discuss the things that are important to me with some like-minded friends. Gradually I found the topics, the tone and lack of focus to the subject chosen, boring and mundane to me. I lost interest and instead of browsing this site everyday it became almost once a week. For the first time after a few months, the presence of youngsters like you feels like someone opened a big window and let in fresh air. At the end of the day, what youngsters like you guys feel, tell us and do matter the most, for people like myself who are pushing retirement age, your generation gets to call the shots and lead the world beyond all the mysteries that lay hidden in front of you.

God means different things to different people. Some may question the worship of Rama and Krishna and the rest in our temples as mere idols and that they don’t speak to us!! They might say you weren’t there those times and how can you prove they ever existed. To it you might say, if Rama and Krishna were avatars of same God that came down in different yugas to save mankind, you could see the same Rama and Krishna as someone closer to you or as Soumya beautifully said “I see my god in my favo subject, in anybody who cares me, in any human who has some heart 4 which he worries.. (Anushagan). I remember reading a book by a Mr. Kasturi who lived and worked with Sai Baba until he died, and once he told Baba that he wanted to go to Tirupathi to worship Lord Venkateswara, Baba smilingly said ok. As Mr. Kasturi stood in front of Perumal and opened his eyes he could see only Baba and never once he saw Perumal there!! It is all what you believe in.

And God does not need to appear to you in God form either!!

As part of our program in our Sai Center we conduct Narayan Seva during winter months. The purpose of the program is to collect warm blankets, sweaters and winter clothing during summer months, wash, sort by size and keep them ready for winter. On Sunday early mornings we ask the youngsters (about 18 to 24) to go around in vans to look for homeless people who live on street sewers for warmth in card board boxes and shivering in cold temperatures. Our kids give them warm clothes, serve coffee and sandwiches. We claim countries are rich and the people around us rich, but most of us are morally bankrupt and fail to see misery and suffering around us. Now this has nothing to do with God, but when these kids come back to the center after distribution they are overwhelmed and they begin to see life in whole different terms and some of them think they see God in those men and women who faintly say thank you by words or through kindness in their eyes!!
I will share with you another story: I know of an aged couple who I know for many years living in my neighbourhood. The gentleman is a black professional engineer and the lady a white school teacher; they fell in love and married (against many odds) some 25 years ago. But they both agreed from the first day of their marriage that they would never have any children of their own, instead adopt kids from orphanages. They went to different orphanages and adopted 5 kids of different races and ages and all of them were abandoned children. They cared for them as their own, and to make the story short , one kid a beautiful girl wanted to be a model but had change of heart and pursued medicine and she is an intern now trying to become a plastic surgeon; another kid is a kineseologist, working for a minor baseball club; another kid is a political science major wanting to become full time politician; two other kids are still in college. Now about two years ago, the original mother of the political science student came looking for him; the adopted parents kindly welcomed her to the house and let the kid talk to the biological mother several hours; they both cried and huddled each other in private. But finally the kid told the biological mother, the son you abandoned died long time ago; now this is the new me, when you gave birth to me you didn’t know what you wanted in your life, I know what I want, I want to be a politician, you can come and visit me anytime; but the adopted parents are my parents and I will never leave them. If what that kid did was right or wrong, is not our call, but if that kid was an Indian, may be he will see the Hanuman idol as his black father as symbol of valor and devotion!!!!Another kid may visualize Rama and Sita as these two adopted parents!! So God means differently to them!! So next time you visit the temple, who knows, you may see in these idols other things that are meaningful to you.

So don’t let anyone push you to justify your beliefs as long as YOU believe in them; what other people tell you can teach you lessons and they are without question valuable (like fire is hot) but it is only the real events and the experiences around those events will shape your character and destiny. Like Yamaka did, go and experience your own life and find your own God. If you have time, go do some honest part time work to make extra money, in whatever work you like to do and get the experience. Have fun, exciting times are ahead for you, Sachin may score a hundred soon!! Never give out your personal information in public forums; I am sure you have your own worries in your life and leave the discussions on maida mavu, how to make coffee, curd, kuthhu songs for retirees like us!!!! I wish I could be 20 again and do all the things that I am telling you to do and never did, kids will be kids, and elders will be elders, cycle never stops….some day when you get to our age, you can copy and paste this post to someone else that is a teen ager!!!!!

Take care.

Sir..
If u dont mind, can i say a few words?
From ur post, i hope that u are not happy with ur age now..
is it sir?
Dont let that happen. Just felt like saying this sir..
Never allow anything or anybody to stop u from thinking and enjoying..
U ve mentioned that u are happy with the arrival of young minds like us..
Even ur mind is still young sir.. Matured young mind..
Just keep going with that sir..
"WHEN YOU COME ACROSS SOME STORMS IN YOUR LIFE, JUST DONT FEAR..
DONT PANIC.. DONT WORRY..
JUST THINK THAT THERE IS A LIGHT SOURCE WAITING FOR YOU IN THE OPPOSITE SIDE..
jUST TRAVEL TOWARDS IT..
YOU WILL SUSTAIN ALL THE STORMS WHATEVER IT MAY BE..
CALM SEAS NEVER MAKE SKILLFULL SAILORS SIR.. "


We will await your energetic, positive replies..

 

[Servall]

Hi K/Soumya/Anushagan:

Give me a break my friend K. I am not quite retired yet nor my intent was to advice the kids. And Anusha I am certainly not complaining about my age. I feel great but the reality K is that there is a difference between 20 and 60!! You automatically without knowing wear the hat of a parent to anyone you speak less your age!!

Perhaps that is why I put a disclaimer in the open para of my note...please ignore what is not agreeable to you!!

My kids have many friends who come to our home almost daily; I have a very open relationship to them; some of these kids are so informed, I am blessed to listen to some of those guys and they make you think all the more!!

Now, lets get back to your fav subject rava dosa........(the icons dont work, I say this in humor!!!!)

Cheers.

 

[Yamaka]

Yams, just curious! without god, what are all the other ways you get peace of mind?

dont tell me, i spend time with children, listen to music et all, cos, the believers in god also get things out of the same mode, which is common things for both.

so, can you claim some thing unique, for eg, by rejecting god you are getting a good peace of mind!

Dear Shiv:

To tell you the truth, in our household God does not come into our discussion very often at all.. when it does, it is in a teasing or ridiculing way like this -

"Yenna Kanna, Punniyam theda pohalayah this month!??", I ask my wife G.

"Not this month...maybe later.. I am busy with my work.. I have other things cooking!", she answers.

For me peace of mind comes in the very thought that everything is under control.. like my research work, my kids' education and my relationship with them, and the thought that my family is happy and comfortable..etc.

Whenever I get "free time" I ponder about various Social Issues and write about it in many blogposts in various newspapers.

For very many people, "God" provides "HOPE" if they are in a hopeless situation - that's a mirage.. God per se can't convert a hopeless into a hopeful situation, unless the person works towards a solution very diligently.
If this person works towards the SOLUTION in the first place, he/she may not be in such a hopeless situation needing the non-existent "God"...

You may argue "God & Religion" as a Cultural Link to the Distant Past... if you do, I will give you a patient hearing..because I like that idea!

Cheers.

 

[anushagn]

answers for ques posted by Ms\Mr yamaka:

1.
S. I do believe in "God". U ve asked me the reasons for my belief..
There are plenty..
According to me, God is the creator of this lovely,beautiful earth..
U may say a lot of scientific facts for the creation of world..
All those are\were said by some "SCIENTISTS"..
But according to me, those scientists "just found\came to know" those facts..
which means just predicting,assuming or identifying the already understood, identified or created one..
And this proves that those reasons listed by them are "just reasons:..
Even i believe in science.. That is why i chose engineering and using all the beneficilas of science..
so, we ll now see the views of a great scientist now..
That scientist is, "ALBERT EINSTIEN"..
When SPUTNIK was moving around the earth for the very 1st time, people ask him if he believe in god. U know what he answered?
His answer was "I BELIEVE IN GOD NOW MORETHAN I BELIEVED HIM EVER BEFORE"..
The world famous scientist's words..

Not because of all these i believe god. I believe god because i see him in my everything. As i mentioned b4, "MY GOD IS THERE IN MY FAVO SUBJECT, IN PEOPLE WHO CARE ME, IN PPL WHO ENCOURAGE ME, PPL WHO SHOULDER ME, IN THE GENTLE BREEZE AROUND ME. AND THUS IN EVERYTHING In AND AROUND ME." (OMNIPRESENT)

You call him supernatural human and i call him "THE MAN WHO CONVERTS EVERYTHING THAT IS JUSTLIKE THAT INTO SUPER NATURAL". Obviously since "MAN" cannot do this, i consider him superior to man and name him "GOD".

If u say that man can do it, i would like to say no..
Because, We came to know the "TSUNAMI" only after we got affected by it..
Even then, we tried only to avoid the destruction and face the consequences.
But we(MANKIND) was unable to AVOID ITS OCCURENCE..
There "MY GOD" is..
He controls everything..
He shows us (who believes him) the way for prosperity which always says to live and let others live..
When we go in wrong path he forgives us many times..
He gives us many chances to correct ourselves..
When we enjoy playing the same brutal game,
he plays his game..
And there he ends us..
"IDHU (world) ONBADHU VAASAL VEEDU.. (when we have life(soul) in our body)
PINBU EESAN AALUM KAADU.. (when the soul leaves our body)"..


When this is said, a ques will arise..
So god can only kill?
The answer is, CERTAINLY NOT..

When a child does some mistake, mother or father will correct it..
If the child does it repeatedly, parents will punish..
For me and my forefathers and my upcoming generations, "GOD IS THE ONLY PARENT"..

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Sri Yamaka Ji,

I am from Trichy, so looks like brilliant folks come from there .

Seriously, let me ask you a simple question.

Who is responsible for creating this universe we live in? A simple explanation, using the established principle of cause and effect will suffice.

Regards,
KRS

Dear KRS:

I am from a small forgotten village in Ramanathapuram taluk and my wife is from Trichy, the cultural Mecca!

As a Naturalist and a professional Scientist, I can answer you like this "Who has the responsibility of creating and maintaining this Universe we live in is the Forces of Nature".

Oh.. that's not precise, you may say..then ask me to define Nature... and the Q&A continues.

One thing I can say for sure, "God" as described in the Holy Books of Vedas/Scriptures, Bible and Koran is truly NON-EXISTENT".

These Holy Books are written by MEN.. and their brain child is the IDEA of GOD and HIS properties or characters.

The world we live in was not created AS IS by any GOD about 5000 years ago in a week in the month of October, as the Old Testament claims, and many people believe so...

This world is the product of Chemical and Biological Evolution that started billions of years ago...

Now, I stop here.

I want you to ask more simple questions.

Regards

Y

(Dear KRS, can you please drop "Ji" out when you call me, because I am not used to such calling... I call only Mahatma as Gandhiji. )

 

[anushagn]

He(my god) allows us to explore and discover things to make us know that we know only very little..
Thus, "IT IS VER DIFFICULT FOR US US TO REASON OUT THE EXISTENCE OF THE SUPERNATURAL HUMAN as u call AND "GOD" as i call WITH OUR VERY LITTLE KNOWLEDGE AND LOT OF IGNORANCE..

 

[anushagn]

More simply..
when a child asks its mother about its birth, she can 1ly say the science..
When it asks her y should it happen 1ly like this, she cannot anwser.. because she knows that its natural..
likewise "WE CANNOT FIND GOD UNLESS WE FIND IT IN OURSELVES, AS WE ARE A PART OF HIM".
AHAM BAHMASMI!!

 

[Yamaka]

can you prove that god doesn't exist?What makes you think so?How did man come into existence according to you?15 years or so when you were young, during ramadan you kept a fast just because you were forced to by your family?You didnt know for whom or why you were taking the fast for?you just feel it is some crap created by humans??

Dear Soumya:

As you see, I have a NEGATIVE position as far as God's Existence... and in logic you don't need to prove a NEGATIVE. Because it is a NULL position.

Since you and others here take a POSITIVE position on God, it is YOUR responsibility to prove it... Please try.

Yes, during Ramadan, as per TRADITION everyone is expected to keep the FAST. In our household, God is a given entity.. No questions asked because "God, the Most Merciful and the All powerful does not like it", period. For a 15 year old this is a MUST follow doctrine!

Once I became an adult with independent thinking, I concluded that God is a MYTH.. a MIRAGE meant for the Believers in the Super Natural.

I don't believe in the Super Natural Agent controlling my life and my activity! Because I control my life, period.

As I have the FREE WILL..

Cheers.

 

[Yamaka]

answers for ques posted by Ms\Mr yamaka:

1.
S. I do believe in "God". U ve asked me the reasons for my belief..
There are plenty..
According to me, God is the creator of this lovely,beautiful earth..
U may say a lot of scientific facts for the creation of world..
All those are\were said by some "SCIENTISTS"..
But according to me, those scientists "just found\came to know" those facts..
which means just predicting,assuming or identifying the already understood, identified or created one..
And this proves that those reasons listed by them are "just reasons:..
Even i believe in science.. That is why i chose engineering and using all the beneficilas of science..
so, we ll now see the views of a great scientist now..
That scientist is, "ALBERT EINSTIEN"..
When SPUTNIK was moving around the earth for the very 1st time, people ask him if he believe in god. U know what he answered?
His answer was "I BELIEVE IN GOD NOW MORETHAN I BELIEVED HIM EVER BEFORE"..
The world famous scientist's words..

Not because of all these i believe god. I believe god because i see him in my everything. As i mentioned b4, "MY GOD IS THERE IN MY FAVO SUBJECT, IN PEOPLE WHO CARE ME, IN PPL WHO ENCOURAGE ME, PPL WHO SHOULDER ME, IN THE GENTLE BREEZE AROUND ME. AND THUS IN EVERYTHING In AND AROUND ME." (OMNIPRESENT)

You call him supernatural human and i call him "THE MAN WHO CONVERTS EVERYTHING THAT IS JUSTLIKE THAT INTO SUPER NATURAL". Obviously since "MAN" cannot do this, i consider him superior to man and name him "GOD".

If u say that man can do it, i would like to say no..
Because, We came to know the "TSUNAMI" only after we got affected by it..
Even then, we tried only to avoid the destruction and face the consequences.
But we(MANKIND) was unable to AVOID ITS OCCURENCE..
There "MY GOD" is..
He controls everything..
He shows us (who believes him) the way for prosperity which always says to live and let others live..
When we go in wrong path he forgives us many times..
He gives us many chances to correct ourselves..
When we enjoy playing the same brutal game,
he plays his game..
And there he ends us..
"IDHU (world) ONBADHU VAASAL VEEDU.. (when we have life(soul) in our body)
PINBU EESAN AALUM KAADU.. (when the soul leaves our body)"..


When this is said, a ques will arise..
So god can only kill?
The answer is, CERTAINLY NOT..

When a child does some mistake, mother or father will correct it..
If the child does it repeatedly, parents will punish..
For me and my forefathers and my upcoming generations, "GOD IS THE ONLY PARENT"..

Dear Anu:

Nice post.. very many Believers have said the same thing.

1. I believe for Einstein and many other scientists RATIONAL thinking, hypothesis making and Experimentation and Inference is the way of their life... they all believe in the awesome power of NATURE.

2. Why I said God is a Super Natural Man: According to Holy Koran "I created man in my IMAGE" God says. "I created women from his rib, to serve him".

Similar passages you may find in Vedas and Bible.

3. Only convincing idea I get about God & Religion is the HOPE, which I talked about in my post to dear Shiv above.

Keep writing... nice point of view from an younger generation...

Take care.



ps. Divinity etc are marketing techniques by Religious Groups! Let them ask the question "Why did God create Abject Poverty among HIS devotees: About a billion people in India live in unspeakable poverty, while they worship HIM constantly?"

 

[kunjuppu]

Y,

your post #411

tiruchi THE cultural mecca? enna sir ippadi kid panreeha?

much as i loathe the attitude of the sabha and the sabha goers, is not chennai the venue of all tamil based culture - not just carnatic music or bharatanatyam, but since DMK, also has not patronage of our folk arts given more appreciation and limelight?

i very much question some other kind member here, mentioning the wonderful effects of kaveri thanni, but i think, for most carnatic concerts tasmac thanni helps in improving the job. no?

i dont mind tiruch being addressed as a cultural centre, but 'THE cultural mecca'...have seriuos doubts about that, notwithstanding mrs Y hails from there

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

God is the supreme being...He is the supreme being because he is at a level much higher to us..if there were no sufferings then there is no wisdom..the whole reason why the world is in the present state is because God let us discover everything...God created the entire universe,and on Earth he created all the living specimens,and he created the master tool brain and heart in everyone...God has created everthing and everyone for a reason...He has given the choice to humans to choose to do good or bad...Its just like this...there is light..but there is no darkness...its the absence of light that is darkness..but darkness as such doesn't exist nor can it be measured...So good exists...absence of goodness is evil..people choose to not do good...If everyone chooses to do good then what a wonderful world this would be..Man learns from his mistakes..that is how it is..but people fail to realise his mistakes and he suffers for his mistakes..it is just that..If we do a mistake, our elders punish us... Similarly if humanity does mistake, God punishes us to bring us on the right path..But still people are ignorant... They choose to not do good.. Evil is always outside fantasy.. in the end it is always justice and good that prevails.. Evil is destroyed...

 

[guruvayurappan]

dear soumiya ramasubramanian !
do not get excited .mr.yamaka is very clear about his principle.you are believing in super natural power and yamaka is placing arquments based on SET.you kindly share your experience by which you are made got to believe GOD .many of us are agno-theist
cheers
guruvayurappan

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

We all know that littering,etc is bad..and still we dont make any attempt to change our attitude..what's the result? Global warming...are we doing anything to change it..no..not at all...we choose to stay ignorant...we are going to suffer for it in the long run...If people know that a particular area is not safe for building a house,why don't they not build a house there..instead choose somewhere else..here again it is ignorance...they feel theyve got land at cheap price and to top it all it is facing the sea..oh wow..how beautiful to live here...who cares..so far nothing's happened...we'll go ahead...the whole building a house there triggered the natural earthly factors and caused the earthquake or tsunami...now whom can you blame...definitely not God...its you yourself...weren't you given a choice to choose the place or not...weren't you put ahead with the facts of the place...yet all you thought was about yourself...here it was just your own selfishness...Every suffering is meant for a greater good...every suffering brings people closer to God...Well no matter what..to atheists there is no point in telling whatsoever cuz you chose to believe that there is no God...Infact the whole reason why atheists want to know why we believe in God is because, God is in their mind...why else would you want to know if He exists or not...since according to atheists God is NO WHERE and according to theists God is NOW HERE...there is no point in arguing...

 

[guruvayurappan]

very nice reproduction of the saying "to atheists God is NO WHERE and according to theists God is NOW HERE..."

 

[kunjuppu]

God is the supreme being...He is the supreme being because he is at a level much higher to us..if there were no sufferings then there is no wisdom..the whole reason why the world is in the present state is because God let us discover everything...God created the entire universe,and on Earth he created all the living specimens,and he created the master tool brain and heart in everyone...God has created everthing and everyone for a reason...He has given the choice to humans to choose to do good or bad...Its just like this...there is light..but there is no darkness...its the absence of light that is darkness..but darkness as such doesn't exist nor can it be measured...So good exists...absence of goodness is evil..people choose to not do good...If everyone chooses to do good then what a wonderful world this would be..Man learns from his mistakes..that is how it is..but people fail to realise his mistakes and he suffers for his mistakes..it is just that..If we do a mistake, our elders punish us... Similarly if humanity does mistake, God punishes us to bring us on the right path..But still people are ignorant... They choose to not do good.. Evil is always outside fantasy.. in the end it is always justice and good that prevails.. Evil is destroyed...

dear soumya, may i please request you to parse your words and present small readable lines. makes reading your post easier. i have made a start here for you. hope you dont mind. thank you.

God is the supreme being...He is the supreme being because he is at a level much higher to us..

if there were no sufferings then there is no wisdom..the whole reason why the world is in the present state is because God let us discover everything...

God created the entire universe,and on Earth he created all the living specimens,and he created the master tool brain and heart in everyone...God has created everthing and everyone for a reason...

He has given the choice to humans to choose to do good or bad...Its just like this...there is light..but there is no darkness...its the absence of light that is darkness..but darkness as such doesn't exist nor can it be measured...

So good exists...absence of goodness is evil..people choose to not do good...If everyone chooses to do good then what a wonderful world this would be..Man learns from his mistakes..that is how it is..but people fail to realise his mistakes and he suffers for his mistakes..it is just that..If we do a mistake, our elders punish us...

Similarly if humanity does mistake, God punishes us to bring us on the right path..

But still people are ignorant... They choose to not do good..

Evil is always outside fantasy.. in the end it is always justice and good that prevails.. Evil is destroyed...

 

[Yamaka]

We all know that littering,etc is bad..and still we dont make any attempt to change our attitude..what's the result? Global warming...are we doing anything to change it..no..not at all...we choose to stay ignorant...we are going to suffer for it in the long run...If people know that a particular area is not safe for building a house,why don't they not build a house there..instead choose somewhere else..here again it is ignorance...they feel theyve got land at cheap price and to top it all it is facing the sea..oh wow..how beautiful to live here...who cares..so far nothing's happened...we'll go ahead...the whole building a house there triggered the natural earthly factors and caused the earthquake or tsunami...now whom can you blame...definitely not God...its you yourself...weren't you given a choice to choose the place or not...weren't you put ahead with the facts of the place...yet all you thought was about yourself...here it was just your own selfishness...Every suffering is meant for a greater good...every suffering brings people closer to God...Well no matter what..to atheists there is no point in telling whatsoever cuz you chose to believe that there is no God...Infact the whole reason why atheists want to know why we believe in God is because, God is in their mind...why else would you want to know if He exists or not...since according to atheists God is NO WHERE and according to theists God is NOW HERE...there is no point in arguing...

Dear Soumya:

Logically speaking, we need to define the terms and concepts correct at the outset.

My position is

GOD, as described in the Holy Books of Vedas/Scriptures, Bible and Koran is NON-EXISTENT. Because they are all created by the mental and verbal bombast of some MEN long time ago.

Simple blind obedience to TRADITION fosters this man-made FICTION.

If God is nothing but NATURE, then I say that such God WILL not accept any ADORATION, AARAADHANA in the form of prayers, pooja and bhajans, which seems to be the hallmark of ALL man-made Religions.

As a Believer you have your CIVIL Right to believe so... but please remember, our lives have been enriched constantly by the awesome power of Science, Engineering & Technology which is an anathema to any Belief in Super Natural Agency.

How could anyone argue that "the All Merciful and All Knowing God" can bring misery to HIS devotees for the fun of it?

It does not make any sense to me!

Cheers.

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

God is present in every good deed that you do...When you do something wrong,doesnt it hurt you to do so...don't you in your deepest place in heart atleast feel bad about doing it...that is because God is watching you..He is telling you that it is wrong and you aren't supposed to do it...but you are ignorant...you choose to ignore and see what happens if i do so...and then when you suffer for that you blame it all on God saying that he is making you suffer...how can that be fair?God's ways are mysterious...when any calamity comes,help comes along,people start praying for the welfare of entire humanity,all true help is given irrespective of caste,colour,creed...God is presnt even there...My gurus had told me this once...whether the owl wants light or not,light exists...so whether you accept the existence of God or not, God exists...The very question whether God exists or not proves that God exists...I know God,i know He exists,i know He is watching over me everytime,ive experienced God,i have faith in God..

 

[ShivKC]

(Dear KRS, can you please drop "Ji" out when you call me, because I am not used to such calling... I call only Mahatma as Gandhiji. )

i second this..sugar coating, indeed!

 

[Soumya Ramasubramanian]

dear soumya, may i please request you to parse your words and present small readable lines. makes reading your post easier. i have made a start here for you. hope you dont mind. thank you.God is the supreme being...He is the supreme being because he is at a level much higher to us..if there were no sufferings then there is no wisdom..the whole reason why the world is in the present state is because God let us discover everything...God created the entire universe,and on Earth he created all the living specimens,and he created the master tool brain and heart in everyone...God has created everthing and everyone for a reason...He has given the choice to humans to choose to do good or bad...Its just like this...there is light..but there is no darkness...its the absence of light that is darkness..but darkness as such doesn't exist nor can it be measured...So good exists...absence of goodness is evil..people choose to not do good...If everyone chooses to do good then what a wonderful world this would be..Man learns from his mistakes..that is how it is..but people fail to realise his mistakes and he suffers for his mistakes..it is just that..If we do a mistake, our elders punish us... Similarly if humanity does mistake, God punishes us to bring us on the right path..But still people are ignorant... They choose to not do good.. Evil is always outside fantasy.. in the end it is always justice and good that prevails.. Evil is destroyed...

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