How common is IC marriages among TB community in Delhi?

[renuka]

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Intercate marriages take place because caste division itself is adharmic. The four fold divisions found in Purusha suktham and Gita is not birth based and have no connections to Jaathi except name related confusion.

Secondly those professing to uphold Brahmin values are clueless about what they are. All religions of Hinduism may have survived onslaught of invaders over thousand years but the current invasion by western excesses is by far the worst. Many Indians ape the west for their worst qualities.

India is invaded by fake gurus of huge influence and they support superstitions. There is a joke that there are two professions open to school drop outs. One is politics and the other is to become a guru. Followers are waiting to be told to follow.

Everything is passed off as sanathana dharma but almost all practices are nothing but few decades old customs that are rooted in ignorance. Current invasion by the likes of vastu shastra is not eternal but invented and evolved in four hundred years. That is but one example

Corruption has become a way of life including the support by the silent majority that goes along tolerating and yielding

It is hard to tell with reason what one has to protect and why anymore. Youngsters are moving beyond the hypocrisy.

This can all be reversed in about few decades but it will require unifying Matams and various Gurus on few basics.

No one has emerged thus far to take on

 

[Super1223]

Is their any data for this as far as north india is concerned, I.e at what rate girls are marrying out vs boys.

 

[Super1223]

The IC marriages happen of the second and 3rd generation who are settled in Delhi region. They are convent educated, hardly can read & write Tamil and jump to Hindi in a conversation. They may not have studied in Tamil schools. I am not aware of any sort of pressure being applied. Very recently a TB girl married a Gujjar(ST) boy with consent of parents. Boys choose any girl-can be a Punjabi or Bania or a Rajput or a Kayasth allmost all with consent of parents

How common is it for girls to marry out compared to boys

 

[prasad1]

Is their any data for this as far as north india is concerned, I.e at what rate girls are marrying out vs boys.

Your query is misleading. Are you still implying Intercaste marriages of Tamil Brahmins or is it for all India?

Exact data on the boy-to-girl ratio specifically for marriage is not uniformly reported, but extrapolations based on population statistics and marriage customs suggest that for every 1,000 eligible males, there may be around 850–900 eligible females in certain regions, depending on demographic and cultural factors.

Efforts to balance this ratio involve promoting gender equality, addressing sex-selective practices, and ensuring equal opportunities for girls in education and employment.


General Sex Ratio: India has a sex ratio of approximately 940 females per 1,000 males (2011 Census).

Marriage Pool: The sex ratio in the marriageable age group (20–34 years) reflects a surplus of men compared to women.


The marriage ratio is skewed, with more men than women eligible for marriage.
Estimates suggest the ratio often ranges between 1,000 men to 850–900 women, particularly in regions with a strong preference for male children and imbalanced sex ratios at birth.

Factors Affecting Marriage Ratios
Cultural Norms:

Men are expected to marry younger women, widening the eligible age group for men.
Early marriages for women reduce the time they spend in the marriage market.
Regional Variations:

States like Haryana and Punjab, which historically have skewed sex ratios, experience a "marriage squeeze" where many men struggle to find brides.
In contrast, southern and northeastern states often have more balanced ratios.
Interstate and Cross-Cultural Marriages:

To address the shortage of women in some areas, men increasingly marry women from other states or communities.

In this environment, A docile Brahmin from Tamil Nadu may be squeezed out of marriage. And Tamil Girls may prefer a dashing northerner. Fortunately, my mom found me a TB girl, otherwise, I would still be single.

With the practice of early marriage and arranged marriage decreasing, TB boys are ill-prepared. The parents are responsible for not realizing this and failing to teach the boys who expect Girls to marry them and do not know how to woo girls. Sorry boys.

 

[vrajagopalan57]

The marriages of TB's are conducted by the Vadhyar. I was shocked when one of my known vadhyar in the National Capital Region (NCR) told me that 90% of marriages in last 3-4 years are intercaste.

This shows that the community is so broad minded that they are ready to renounce their culture & traditions! They are ready to marry any one!

Is there a shortrage of temples & south indian spiritual groups that has enjoined this?

Infact there are many South Indian Temples, Matts (including Sringeri, Kanchi) dotting Delhi. There are plethora of cultural festivals from Carnatic Music, Radha Krishna Kalyanam, Savitri Puranam, Sasta Preeti to Vishnu Sahasranama Group, Lalita Sahasranama group etc that conduct their programs regularly.

Delhi is a melting pot of all cultures! There are no anti Brahmin groups too!

Initially Tamil Brahmins settled in Karol Bagh, RK Puram, Munirka areas. Now there are dispersed across the National Capital region apart from Delhi from Gurugram to Ghaziabad & Faridabad ito Greater Noida.

I have stayed in multiple condominiums. The latest where I stay has 1100 families & just 4-5 Tamil Brahmin families. They hardly get together unlike the Bengalis or Punjabis. Diwali & Dusehra are celebrated together by all Hindus. Even in Navarthri Golu which is a unique festival & custom of Tamil Brahmins there is hardly any interest to celebrate together.

No wonder the community has lost its cultural moorings and ready to mix with any caste!

It is a shame that a community with a tradition & history of several thousand years have gone berserk in the 21st century! I was told that Mumbai is not far behind!

The community is dying & no body is interested in solving the problem!

We have discussed about intercaste & inter religious marriages in this group several times!

It means the community has not learnt any lesson and wants to give up its uniqueness & cultural identity and merge with the ocean! It is a civilizational collapse!

Om namo Narayanaya.
Subhamastu. Namaskarangal. I endorse the observations and remarks given above. As a Central Government officer (R&D Scientist), fortunately, I had travelled lengthy & breadth of India and a number of countries outside India. My observations and opinions (feelings at times) are that the Indians outside India, especially Brahmins (more to say other than Tamils: unfortunate), are much more united and try to follow our culture during festivals, atleast. I am sorry (should I feel bad???) to say that almost 3-4 in 10 Tamils (that too a few coming from a achara family affiliated to mutts) are not having even Poonal (holy thread), do not have a small photo of any God or Acharya in their residence, do not hesitate to eat food from a common plate (like Ms) with left as well as right hand, smoke same cigarette sharing with girls & other boys, drink liquor, eat non veg and worst is some (Brahmin boys) are co-living with foreign boy/s & girl/s (should I say in modern term: live-in relationship or situationship - as said in a recent Tamil movie). Their Tamil too has become of Ds. When I met one in an airport on way to India, they have a fresh sparkling white Poonal and even chandanam / vibuti (small one) and changed their language too. What it means? We have to think, as elders, especially when we wish to maintain or sustain our sadacharas (not meant to follow touch me not acharam), what is the cause and how to inculcate culture & values. Merely, taking birth in a Brahmin family (having boys and girls with living as cited above) and saying that I am of so & so clan or sect of Brahmin (expressing unsolicited superiority leading to animosity amongst Brahmins) and we don't want a girl or boy for marriage from another Brahmin sect, will suffice? Another major issue, of late, I am facing, as a practicing Vedic astrologer for a decade plus, is that the Brahmin parents are coming with horoscopes of boys & girls of non- Brahmins and to be more discrete, of chatutha varna, and wants if & buts and matching!!!! One can recollect that, for centuries, the varna mix is is in vogue and for argument in defence they may say that all are son's of Brahma only, etc. So, the present time visionaries of vedic dharma Sastras and those who wish to have selective breeding should cultivate the habit of following first the dharma-sastras and then inculcate the values of our Vedic culture (minus hatred towards any) to their progeny from child. In my opinion, expecting for a brahmin boy or girl in USA or foreign countries is not wrong but a few make it mandatory. To be a Brahmin means what??? Sorry, for my discrete expressions which may provoke a few hard liners, as pinpointer of dark-spots. My objective is not to throw slush on myself but a desire to change parents' desire, especially mothers of girls & boys, based on my experience as an astrologer. Am I wrong? If wrong, excuse me. If not, please think & rethink for the propagation of time and space tested, age-old Good sanskriti for the betterment of our progeny. Shubham bhuyat! Mangalam bhavatu! Regards. Jai Shri Ram V.Rajagopalan Iyengar

 

[Super1223]

Your query is misleading. Are you still implying Intercaste marriages of Tamil Brahmins or is it for all India?

Exact data on the boy-to-girl ratio specifically for marriage is not uniformly reported, but extrapolations based on population statistics and marriage customs suggest that for every 1,000 eligible males, there may be around 850–900 eligible females in certain regions, depending on demographic and cultural factors.

Efforts to balance this ratio involve promoting gender equality, addressing sex-selective practices, and ensuring equal opportunities for girls in education and employment.


General Sex Ratio: India has a sex ratio of approximately 940 females per 1,000 males (2011 Census).

Marriage Pool: The sex ratio in the marriageable age group (20–34 years) reflects a surplus of men compared to women.


The marriage ratio is skewed, with more men than women eligible for marriage.
Estimates suggest the ratio often ranges between 1,000 men to 850–900 women, particularly in regions with a strong preference for male children and imbalanced sex ratios at birth.

Factors Affecting Marriage Ratios
Cultural Norms:

Men are expected to marry younger women, widening the eligible age group for men.
Early marriages for women reduce the time they spend in the marriage market.
Regional Variations:

States like Haryana and Punjab, which historically have skewed sex ratios, experience a "marriage squeeze" where many men struggle to find brides.
In contrast, southern and northeastern states often have more balanced ratios.
Interstate and Cross-Cultural Marriages:

To address the shortage of women in some areas, men increasingly marry women from other states or communities.

In this environment, A docile Brahmin from Tamil Nadu may be squeezed out of marriage. And Tamil Girls may prefer a dashing northerner. Fortunately, my mom found me a TB girl, otherwise, I would still be single.

With the practice of early marriage and arranged marriage decreasing, TB boys are ill-prepared. The parents are responsible for not realizing this and failing to teach the boys who expect Girls to marry them and do not know how to woo girls. Sorry boys.

Yes, but i want to know how Common it is in north India, need someone from Delhi to explain the situation there

 

[prasad1]

The concept of caste system and religious discrimination are like a bane on the path of India's progress. For centuries Indian society has been divided on the basis of caste system and religion (Malhotra et al, 1977). The problem of caste system was so deep rooted that it took years for the Indians to come out of that idea. Even today also India is struggling to come out of this social menace. History reveals that efforts have been made by various social reformers and individuals whose name doesn't appear in the pages of history to make India free from the clutches of caste system, untouchability and race discrimination. And when we talk about Indian marriages, which are inter-caste and inter- religious, it seems like a taboo to most of the people. But in order to eradicate the caste system and race discrimination, it is important that there should be inter-caste and inter - religious marriages. Marriages are regarded as the most important social custom and the best means to remove the barrier of caste system. Today in Indian society though we can see inter-caste marriages but mostly it is part of the city culture and they constitute a minor proportion of the total marriages. The rural parts of the country is by and large dominated by the same caste marriage and still have a long way to go.

Kannan (1963) studied 149 inter-caste marriages in the city of Bombay. He found that inter-caste marriage is steadily increasing only recently and that has assumed a significant component since 1956. The age of the women at the time of her marriage, the freedom given to her to choose her partner, the range of female education are some of the important factors influencing the intercaste marriages in Bombay (Kannan, 1963). A study based on matrimonial advertisement data shows that, in a section of the families, the caste barrier is being changed and people come forward for inter-caste marriages. The friends and relatives in most cases play all foul means to stop such unions; but this tendency to oppose inter-caste marriages registered in West Bengal, have increased from 700 in 1955 to 5800 in 1969. Brahmins which are at the top of the caste hierarchy are most opposed to inter-cast marriages. Kayasthas, Baidyas and other Hindus are increasingly becoming more liberal towards inter-caste marriage. Also post graduates are most liberal for inter-caste marriage as compared to under graduates and graduates.

https://paa2010.populationassociation.org/papers/100801

 

[prasad1]

Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme: Bridging the Social Divide
Inter-caste marriages in India often challenge deeply ingrained societal norms and bring a breath of fresh air to traditional practices. Recognizing their transformative potential, the government introduced the Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme to promote unity, social equality, and financial support for such unions. Here’s everything you need to know about this revolutionary initiative.

What Is the Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme
The Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme is a government initiative aimed at encouraging marriages between individuals from different castes. By offering financial incentives, the scheme strives to diminish caste-based discrimination and foster social harmony. This policy stems from the belief that inter-caste marriages can play a pivotal role in creating an inclusive society.

Key Features of the Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme
Beneficiaries receive monetary support to aid their new journey together. Couples must include one partner from a Scheduled Caste (SC) background to qualify. Documents like marriage certificates, caste certificates, and identity proofs are mandatory. Applications can be submitted online or offline through designated portals or offices.

Impact on Indian Society
The Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme is a stepping stone towards an egalitarian society. It challenges the caste system, encourages mutual respect, and strengthens the fabric of unity. States like Tamil Nadu and Maharashtra have set benchmarks with their inter-caste marriage incentives. Globally, countries like Brazil have similar initiatives promoting racial and cultural unity. The Inter-Caste Marriage Scheme is not just a financial aid program; it’s a movement toward societal change. By embracing inter-caste unions, we pave the way for a more inclusive and harmonious India.

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Inter-caste marriages in India often challenge deeply ingrained societal norms and bring a breath of fresh air to traditional practices. Recognizing their

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The Government of India has schemes to increase intercaste marriages.

 

[prasad1]

India: people against inter-caste marriage by caste and religion | Statista

According to a survey conducted from November 2019 to March 2020, 64 percent of Hindu respondents were against women from their community to enter inter-caste marriages.

www.statista.com

 

[Super1223]

No one from Delhi, in this forum?

 

[praveen]

No one from Delhi, in this forum?

Most of them are passive readers only.