How to retain our left out community???

[V.Balasubramani]

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Sir, after so many posts and multiple threads on the same topic, is there any solution?

Auh Ji,

There are certainly suggestions made by few members both in this thread, as well as in the previous thread and the compendium which I am preparing on the suggestions runs to more than 45 pages. As such, it cannot be shared here becos it is already there.

They are suggestions made in good spirit and it is for the individual member to find out the feasibility and decide its merits.

And there are threads currently discussing the same topic.

May be, we need to consolidate and decide the ways and means to enforce them in the interest of the community.

It gives me more pleasure to know your interest on this topic.

 

[auh]

On the contrary sir, I was just intending to point out that there is not group strategy, and thus, the pointlessness of the whole exercise. If we analyze closely, it is left to the individual will.

Anyway, it seems that there are still members, including you, who seem to have noticed some strategies exclusively for brahmins that, if inculcated, would make them stick to a birth based seggregation. A seggregation that is redundant for all practical purposes but apparently believed as an epitome of culture by some.

It all points to the observation that we believe what we want to believe.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Auh Ji,

Today I stumbled upon this article which I would like to share. The article and its content are debatable.

It is sharing........ purely sharing...... and members don't jump into conclusion and term such articles as misconception, illinformed, etc.




There is no caste-system in Vedas

Excerpts:

Jaati

Jaati means a classification based on source of origin. Nyaya Sutra states “Samaanaprasavaatmika Jaatih” or those having similar birth source form a Jaati.
An initial broad classification made by Rishis is 4-fold: Udbhija (coming out of ground like plants), Andaja (coming out of eggs like birds and reptiles), Pindaja (mammals) and Ushmaj (reproducing due to temperature and ambient conditions like virus, bacteria etc).

Varna

The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’ and not Jaati.
The word ‘Varna’ is used not only for these four, but also for Dasyu and Arya.
‘Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.

Many examples exist of change of Varnas in Vedic history.

a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.
b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)
c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.
d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting.
(Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)
Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?
e. Nabhag, soon of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)
f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)
g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)
h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.
i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.
j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)
k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.
Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.
l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin.
m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.
n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.
o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal
p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.
q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.

Source: http://agniveer.com/caste-system/

P.S: It is Author's opinion. What has been narratted above may be past and what is important is today's reality.

asato maa sadh gamayaa, tamaso maa jyotir

gamayaa, mrityor maa amritham gamayaaa..
om shanti, om shanti, om shanti...upanishad

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[V.Balasubramani]

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[Vaagmi]

Auh Ji,

Today I stumbled upon this article which I would like to share. The article and its content are debatable.

It is sharing........ purely sharing...... and members don't jump into conclusion and term such articles as misconception, illinformed, etc.




There is no caste-system in Vedas

Excerpts:

Jaati

Jaati means a classification based on source of origin. Nyaya Sutra states “Samaanaprasavaatmika Jaatih” or those having similar birth source form a Jaati.
An initial broad classification made by Rishis is 4-fold: Udbhija (coming out of ground like plants), Andaja (coming out of eggs like birds and reptiles), Pindaja (mammals) and Ushmaj (reproducing due to temperature and ambient conditions like virus, bacteria etc).

Varna

The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’ and not Jaati.
The word ‘Varna’ is used not only for these four, but also for Dasyu and Arya.
‘Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.

Many examples exist of change of Varnas in Vedic history.

a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.
b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)
c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.
d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting.
(Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)
Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?
e. Nabhag, soon of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)
f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)
g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)
h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.
i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.
j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)
k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.
Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.
l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin.
m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.
n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.
o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal
p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.
q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.

Source: http://agniveer.com/caste-system/

P.S: It is Author's opinion. What has been naratted above may be past and what is important is today's realit

There are a few inaccuracies in this post. There is no need to go into those details. It is enough that what has been attempted is a "convenient" interpretation. Such interpretations are plenty and have been happening since time immemorial.

What is relevant is this:

1. We do not claim the authority or authenticity for the birth based castes from the holy scriptures. There are several things which have not been specifically said in scriptures and in such unsaid matters there is freedom to interpret. Every scripture other than vedas and upanishads are subsequent interpretation of vedas at different times. The time had left its imprint on all these interpretations. So they are not eternal truths but just interpretations of such truths done in a way convenient to the times in which they were authored.

2. We claim authority for the birth based castes from a different source. That is the history. Throughout the history of bharatvarsha the population has steadily and firmly moved towards a caste based society depending on the needs of the time. And after that it was time which took over the fuction of sustaining the castes firmly leaving its imprint on the castes and the society for ever. Now there is no way these can be reversed. It is better to live with castes and manage it to the society's advantage and welfare.

3. The most remarkable thing about castes is that there is no structured well recognized authority in place to administer them. A mudaliyar can claim that he is a brahmin or a dalit and there is no way to disprove his claim or make him go back on his claim. My neighbour's family calls itself a mudaliyar family and the current generation youngsters have this prominently printed in the marriage invitations whenever they come to invite us. But I know that the boy/girl's father was a Mudaliyar who married a dalit woman colleague when employed in Chennai telephones. So where is the control to determine the correctness of the claim. The current brahmin population of Tamilnadu is said to be just 2%. If and when the reservations are overhauled in the country and the disadvantages of the tag brahmin go, you will find that this population figure will jump to higher than 75% over night.

4. The bare minimum facts are that there are advantages in marrying within the caste. And why should I sacrifice them? Just to be praised with the title "Revolutionary"? No way. I know revolutionaries end up as statues standing in the sun which is occasionally used by a stray crow to relieve itself on.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

I know revolutionaries end up as statues standing in the sun which is occasionally used by a stray crow to relieve itself on.

:clap2:

 

[auh]

...while those caste brahmins end up kneeling before other statues (believed by the gullible as god)

The "Name calling" time begins NOW !

 

[auh]

4. The bare minimum facts are that there are advantages in marrying within the caste.

You are being defensive here. Nobody is saying that you should not marry within caste. Expand your heart to bless those that marry outside. For they are but human, as you, seeking love and recognition in this fancy party called life.

The advantages, as you say, exist only when there are barriers. If we have a minimal set of barriers (hygiene, civility and peace) and reflect on our behavioural pattern, it would be a mind-opener. As caste brahmins, we have long lived in the narrow lane of a closed mindset and it is time we dismantle the scaffold that we have used to build an imaginary structure, to reflect a broader perspective, a tolerable perspective and a happy outlook.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

To the Moderator

I would request you to kindly close this thread.

I thank one and all who have contributed in this thread and those who visited this thread.

Thank you all.

P.S: This thread which is under attack has already encountered with enough lightnings and thunders.

 

[Vaagmi]

You are being defensive here. Nobody is saying that you should not marry within caste. Expand your heart to bless those that marry outside. For they are but human, as you, seeking love and recognition in this fancy party called life.

I believe I am not under any attack and so there is no question of being defensive about anything. LOL

Our heart is large enough to bleed and yet survive. We do not kill our girls or the boys who marry them and I do not advocate that. Period. It is just that I am not in favour of IC/IR marriages because of the problems that come following that. I just wish the children well and leave them alone if they go for a IC/IR marriage inspite of my advice. Then they are on their own. We will have nothing to do with them.

It appears you have already committed the mistake of typecasting me here. I am not what you think I am.

The advantages, as you say, exist only when there are barriers. If we have a minimal set of barriers (hygiene, civility and peace) and reflect on our behavioural pattern, it would be a mind-opener. As caste brahmins, we have long lived in the narrow lane of a closed mindset and it is time we dismantle the scaffold that we have used to build an imaginary structure, to reflect a broader perspective, a tolerable perspective and a happy outlook.

All that is crap. I understand what you are trying to tell in so many words. That is all revolutionary BS.

All I am saying is that when the inexorable march of time wants you only to bend and salute it, do not crawl and kiss its foot. Doing that is being stupid. Changes will come and every change will be accepted only after weighing very carefully and only if they are not injurious to the community. Period.

Scaffold, walls, imaginary structure, narrow lane, closed mindset are all passing judgment. I object to that. If someone is going to insist on passing such judgment, I will just say "get lost"or "go and hang".

Hygiene, civility and peace can be just some of the common denominators among many others that is required to live in a society. There is more to a core individual and an identifiable sub group. I discern an attempt to homogenise the entire society with these common denominators. I object to that. It is not the intention of creation. And you are not the creator either.

 

[tks]

Auh Ji,

Today I stumbled upon this article which I would like to share. The article and its content are debatable.

It is sharing........ purely sharing...... and members don't jump into conclusion and term such articles as misconception, illinformed, etc.




There is no caste-system in Vedas

Excerpts:

Jaati

Jaati means a classification based on source of origin. Nyaya Sutra states “Samaanaprasavaatmika Jaatih” or those having similar birth source form a Jaati.
An initial broad classification made by Rishis is 4-fold: Udbhija (coming out of ground like plants), Andaja (coming out of eggs like birds and reptiles), Pindaja (mammals) and Ushmaj (reproducing due to temperature and ambient conditions like virus, bacteria etc).

Varna

The actual word used for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra is ‘Varna’ and not Jaati.
The word ‘Varna’ is used not only for these four, but also for Dasyu and Arya.
‘Varna’ means one that is adopted by choice. Thus, while Jaati is provided by God, ‘Varna’ is our own choice.
Those who choose to be Arya are called ‘Arya Varna’. Those who choose to be Dasyu become ‘Dasyu Varna’. Same for Brahmin, Kshatriya, Vaishya and Shudra.

Many examples exist of change of Varnas in Vedic history.

a. Aitareya Rishi was son of a Daasa or criminal but became a Brahmin of highest order and wrote Aitareya Brahman and Aitareyopanishad. Aitareya Brahman is considered critical to understand Rigveda.
b. Ailush Rishi was son of a Daasi, gambler and of low character. However he researched on Rigveda and made several discoveries. Not only was he invited by Rishis but also made an Acharya. (Aitareya Brahman 2.19)
c. Satyakaam Jaabaal was son of a prostitute but became a Brahmin.
d. Prishadh was son of King Daksha but became a Shudra. Further he did Tapasya to achieve salvation after repenting.
(Vishnu Puran 4.1.14)
Had Tapasya been banned for Shudra as per the fake story from Uttar Ramayan, how could Prishadh do so?
e. Nabhag, soon of King Nedishtha became Vaishya. Many of his sons again became Kshatriya. (Vishnu Puran 4.1.13)
f. Dhrist was son of Nabhag (Vaishya) but became Brahmin and his son became Kshatriya (VP 4.2.2)
g. Further in his generation, some became Brahmin again (VP 9.2.23)
h. As per Bhagvat, Agniveshya became Brahmin though born to a king.
i. Rathotar born in Kshatriya family became a Brahmin as per Vishnu Puran and Bhagvat.
j. Haarit became Brahmin though born to Kshatriya (VP 4.3.5)
k. Shaunak became Brahmin though born in Kshatriya family. (VP 4.8.1). In fact, as per Vayu Puran, Vishnu Puran and Harivansh Puran, sons of Shaunak Rishi belonged to all four Varnas.
Similar examples exist of Gritsamad, Veethavya and Vritsamati.
l. Matanga was son of Chandal but became a Brahmin.
m. Raavan was born from Pulatsya Rishi but became a Rakshas.
n. Pravriddha was son of Raghu King but became a Rakshas.
o. Trishanku was a king but became a Chandal
p. Sons of Vishwamitra became Shudra. Vishwamitra himself was a Kshatriya who later became a Brahmin.
q. Vidur was son of a servant but became a Brahmin and minister of Hastinapur empire.

Source: http://agniveer.com/caste-system/

P.S: It is Author's opinion. What has been narratted above may be past and what is important is today's reality.

asato maa sadh gamayaa, tamaso maa jyotir

gamayaa, mrityor maa amritham gamayaaa..
om shanti, om shanti, om shanti...upanishad

​

​

Sri VB,
If you want to close the thread you may have to send a private message to Sri Praveen. Otherwise he may not know your intent since he does not read all the posts.

On the above quoted part of the message, the writer has a bit of mix up between what is human created and what is created by God (rather nature).

The caste groupings (Jaati, Kula etc) based on birth is a human created practice and is found in every culture/race in the world. You and I may not be able to tell who is a Tutsi and who is a Hutu but the Rwandan genocide, where million people were butchered, was about their birth based groupings.

The Japanese still keep track of who are born of Korean immigrants some generations ago. One of my friends is a permanent resident of Japan though his father was born in Japan and only his grandfather migrated from South Korea. Yet, he carried a Korean passport though he does not know how to speak the Korean language.

Birth based grouping (and its associated use of it for ego based differentiation) is worldwide. In India we have caste system.
Over time, birth based grouping begin to reflect the strengths and weaknesses.

The Varna grouping (which is only four) that is described in our scriptures is defined based on Guna composition only. This is not subject to any interpretation. Our knowledge scriptures (Gita, Upanishad) and its teaching is applicable to all human beings. Hence the Varna description is not applicable to just Hindu castes. It applies to every society and even aliens with human mind.

Even a modern company operations can be understood in terms of Varna composition of its work force.

A complete analysis of the four Varnas in terms of Guna composition shows that only four groupings can occur in nature governing human mind.

Bottomline: Varna - Nature based grouping, Jaathi - Human based grouping. I think the writer has this mixed up.

In practice though people born in a given Jaathi think that they are of the same Varna too. I knew many families where father may have earned a title such as Sastrigal and the children simply inherited the title.

In old days, such people are called 'son of Pandithas' - kind of insult but said nicely

 

[auh]

P.S: This thread which is under attack has already encountered with enough lightnings and thunders.

I dont thinkt his thread was under attack at any point of time.

What happened was this - the idea of a single community fending for itself as if under extinction, prevention of ic/ir as if they were taboo, insisting on creation of varnas and gloating over the fact, behavioral genetics etc have all been challenged, and, but for vague theories and pet inclinations, it was found that there was no real basis for any of those hypotheses put forward. Neither could any of those hypotheses be put to test.

The lightning and thunder that you mention is noting but the fizzling out of the rationale, and the loud crack of the bottle that held the fizz in the first instance.

;D

 

[Vaagmi]

I dont thinkt his thread was under attack at any point of time.

What happened was this - the idea of a single community fending for itself as if under extinction, prevention of ic/ir as if they were taboo, insisting on creation of varnas and gloating over the fact, behavioral genetics etc have all been challenged, and, but for vague theories and pet inclinations, it was found that there was no real basis for any of those hypotheses put forward. Neither could any of those hypotheses be put to test.

The lightning and thunder that you mention is noting but the fizzling out of the rationale, and the loud crack of the bottle that held the fizz in the first instance.

;D

There are people who perceive reality through colored glasses.

Every idea presented here has been supported with facts.

Every challenge has fizzled out when answered with supporting evidences.

When people found that there is substantial logic in what we presented they wanted to save their faces as if accepting the facts would make them look like losers. That is because of an ego which has a size beyond its container.

May be they have children who have married IC/IR and so they are on the defensive.

People have put to test the theories and have proved finally and beyond any doubt those theories and references have been quoted. These references were never discussed by the challengers either because they did not understand the references or did not care to read them at all. Only shallow minds refuse to go deep into the material to understand the facts or perhaps the level is too high for them.

Yes the lightning and thunder mentioned by Sri Balan was the empty vessels making the loudes noise. We need not bother.

 

[sravna]

Dear auh,

Culture can be the result of the forces and counter forces through time and so may change with time. This is dynamic culture and is typified by the western culture. They think change is the only thing that is constant and hence want people to adapt according to times. Indian culture is a "still culture". It is based on universal and timeless values that can fit into any time. The substantive part can remain the same and still not feel the force of time. But of course there are people with other values we need to live with and hence one need to adapt in an outward manner.

I think those who talk of preserving the culture think that the substantive part has to be protected. Basically they are spiritual values but that is what is most lacking in the current times. It manifests outwardly as some desirable actions and behaviour which is what is sought to be preserved. Doing rituals, celebrating festivals, going to temples and similar activities are supposed to kindle the spirituality and promote mental well being.

IC/IR marriages are opposed for the right reasons. A marriage is supposed to be the union of minds but that does not seem to be the case in these marriages. It is mainly occurring because of physical intimacy or for some other less worthy reasons. If it really is a union of minds the objections would be far less strident.

So let us try to think from all the angles and not be swayed by the glamour of modern thinking.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Sravna,
Your post was directed towards Auhji, and he can fend for himself.
I am all for my brand of culture, and I routinely defend it.
What is the "CULTURE" you are talking about.
For example I am not for the culture of Child Marriage, I am against Animal sacrifice in Kalibari and other temple, I am against any kind of discrimination based on Caste, gender etc. I am sure you too agree with me.

I am for religious freedom, I am for vegetarian diet, I am for healthy life style. I try to keep up with the modern world.

The world over marriages can be between man and a women, but now in some parts of the world that definition is changing. we human may have Inter caste, Inter religion, Inter state, inter language, inter country, inter species. That is upto the country and the individual.
I know some of us are living in a utopian world where the parents arranged the wedding. For 90% humans only know love marriages. So let us not judge others.
I have no problem if you want to maintain a certain life style, that is your prerogative. Please allow others the same privilege.
Give others the same right we give ourselves.

Please do not force your life style on others. If others live by their own life style do not judge them or put them down.
Some of the posters here have appointed then selves as the CULTURAL POLICE, and are condemning others who choose to live differently.
There is glamour in any life style, the moment you have superiority feeling, you know you had too much xxxxxxx.

 

[renuka]

IC/IR marriages are opposed for the right reasons. A marriage is supposed to be the union of minds but that does not seem to be the case in these marriages. It is mainly occurring because of physical intimacy or for some other less worthy reasons. If it really is a union of minds the objections would be far less strident.

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Dear Sravna,


Good to see you back.


BTW do you know that not many communities still adhere to arranged marriage concept?

Its mainly in India,Pakistan,B'desh,Nepal and some parts of Middle East....arranged marriage within the same community is practiced.

Otherwise people of the world mostly have a Love marriage...be it with their own kind or with some other race/religion and the earth still goes around the sun and no axis tilt!LOL

I do not understand why you feel an IC/IR marriage does not reflect union of minds concept?

Actually I feel a totally arranged marriage where boy and girl do not even meet before marriage and only meet on their wedding night needs a lot of lust to consummate the marriage with a total stranger.

For a man it might be easy cos some would have been desperately waiting for a free chance to gun it and finally got a wife but I really wonder how women of the past could just submit their bodies to a total stranger on their wedding night when they do not know anything about him..even a donkey would kick a person they are not familiar with.....there needs to be TIME for anyone to have body or mind connection...so without the time to know each other but yet physical intimacy took place that only spells LUST....but some might choose to call it Duty/Dampati Dharma just to sugar coat the bitter truth that its LUST that binds a man and woman initially.

Over the years they get to know each other and develop a mind to mind connection or they may not... but continue to live with each other becos of duty/dharma whatever you call it.

Sravna...there is something called Bonding..even a mother takes a few hours till a few days to connect to her new born infant.

Time is important for any sort of connection.

 

[sravna]

Dear Prasad,

I am not forcing any lifestyle but only trying to argue that brahmins and all other spiritually minded do not need to change their thinking because of force.

Dear Renuka,

I believe in astrology. So the traditional way of matching horoscopes for compatibility ensures there is match between couples. But even if one spends sufficient time in moving with one's potential mate it is very difficult to know whether the marriage will succeed,

 

[tbs]

Dear Prasad,

I am not forcing any lifestyle but only trying to argue that brahmins and all other spiritually minded do not need to change their thinking because of force.

Dear Renuka,

I believe in astrology. So the traditional way of matching horoscopes for compatibility ensures there is match between couples. But even if one spends sufficient time in moving with one's potential mate it is very difficult to know whether the marriage will succeed,

hi

i know one story...the couple were dated for ten yrs and live in together....after wedding...within ten days...they separated...

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I believe in astrology. So the traditional way of matching horoscopes for compatibility ensures there is match between couples. But even if one spends sufficient time in moving with one's potential mate it is very difficult to know whether the marriage will succeed,

Dear Sravna,

I believe that everything is Brahman and the law of cause and effect(Karma) governs existence.

So whatever will be will be..come what may.

An astrologer might not even be able to predict when he himself would die.

The aim of life is not only to succeed but to also face failures.

Sometimes the greatest teacher is failure and not success.

After all one is supposed to be handle success and failure alike per Bhagavad Geeta yet everyone aims for success in marriage.

I was watching the movie The Best of Me and that made me realize that having the best of anything lies in the secret of experiencing it...one need not own it.

 

[renuka]

hi

i know one story...the couple were dated for ten yrs and live in together....after wedding...within ten days...they separated...

Marriage is a commitment.

Its not easy for everyone.

Living together is Romance...Romance is more fun and one need not be committed.

That is why some prefer to live in and not be married.

Some women prefer to not to be wife or mother cos both these roles need commitment and adds stress.

That is why wives are always stressed up and nagging but the Chinna Veedu is always happy and smiling..cos she is not a wife!LOL

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

I have a question for you...I avoided Forum for a few days cos I felt it had an overdose of obsession to external identification.

I would like to know...since you adhere to teachings of Advaita..how do you view an obsession to external identification of even a Sattva kind?

Doesn't it make you feel that it makes us human deviate from Dharma to hold on to something so tight...isnt an obsession with even Sattva just side effects of Maya?

So how on earth do the same people who are obsessed with Sattva feel they are on the road to liberation when I am pretty sure they can never give up external identification?

What do you suggest as a remedy?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

The bonding energy of tamas, rajas and sattva is in the increasing order. So sattva energy can create the strongest bond. The world that our sense organs perceive is the external world. The inner world of mind gives a higher reality to the information perceived by the sense organs. When someone is in the tamasic, rajasic or sattvic disposition one of which is predominant in all of us, the mind does not give an interpretation free of external imports. Only when we break free of all the bonds do we see the inner reality alone. So till then, however hard we may try our visions are invariably colored.

The remedy is to realize this fact and try to move towards a state free of all the bonds. Being on the right path is itself good enough to help us reach the goal.

 

[sravna]

Marriage is a commitment.

Its not easy for everyone.

Living together is Romance...Romance is more fun and one need not be committed.

That is why some prefer to live in and not be married.

Some women prefer to not to be wife or mother cos both these roles need commitment and adds stress.

That is why wives are always stressed up and nagging but the Chinna Veedu is always happy and smiling..cos she is not a wife!LOL

Dear Renuka,

You say commitment gives stress but don't you think that fulfilling commitment gives a tremendous positive feeling?

 

[tbs]

Marriage is a commitment.

Its not easy for everyone.

Living together is Romance...Romance is more fun and one need not be committed.

That is why some prefer to live in and not be married.

Some women prefer to not to be wife or mother cos both these roles need commitment and adds stress.

That is why wives are always stressed up and nagging but the Chinna Veedu is always happy and smiling..cos she is not a wife!LOL

hi


chinna veedu has more benefits and a lot of freedom tooo...lah

 

[mkrishna100]

hi

i know one story...the couple were dated for ten yrs and live in together....after wedding...within ten days...they separated...

There is a huge difference between dating , mating , living in , living out and being married . There was a TV Program few years back on people who married after being in love for long and then decided to separate and one lady told that her parter was very caring ,loving , polite etc when they were dating but after marriage he had a total contrasting behavior and the Chief Guest of that program was a Marriage Counsellor and she said that dating , marriage are different . When you date you expose only the best of yourrself and also at that time there is no day to day household responsibility and so dating is a means of unwinding oneself but when it comes to marriage , it brings in lot of responsibility - children , parents , in laws , relatives etc and these sort of things you can never plan for or simulate while dating as when 2 people date they just spend time within themselves and the rest of the world does not exist for them .But in marriage one may have some free space for the first few weeks , months but after the honeymoon phase all the realities you will have to confront .More so if they have children .