India?s Rich History: Myth of Rich Past Exposed | India First-Hand
lDear Ramanujan
A very good article.Thanks.
India?s Rich History: Myth of Rich Past Exposed | India First-Hand
lDear Ramanujan
A very good article.Thanks.
Even the present day tirumala tirupati devasthanam was built on ruins of jain and buddhist temples
Thirumala Venkateswara Temple: From Buddhism to Hinduism | India First-Hand
Now lets us hyphothitically assume in our wildest imagination that they come back and demolish the structure and put a statue of buddha in the garbha graha. spreading a belief that a old buddhist monestry was there and it goes to court and they do 50:50+give the garbha graha to buddhist then how would vaishnava brahmins feel.
its very simple. just putting ourselves into their shoes.
A very similar case to this is the hagia sophia(Hagia Sophia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
view of the Ultra Radical VHP http://vhp.org/category/faq/faqs/
rkb sir i was only giving a very remotely possible example. anyways wat u say does make sense. still it will take another 8 to 10 yrs in supreme court. till then it mite become irrelevant to ppl of that generation. one of the litigant is 90 odd yrs old. one of the judges has retired. but i doubt whether the supreme court will take faith into account or not. if it take faith into account then there mite be partition.
Mr.RKB,
I do not know where you are residing.The perception of people residing in South
India and NORTH INDIA may be different as far as AYODHYA is concerned.
While Hindus in South India give importance to VARANASI, ALLAHABAD and GAYA people in North India goes to Varanasi and AYODHYA in their last phase of their lives as they consider these places as very sacred.
Land has not been apportioned to all Tom,Dick &Harry (pardon me for not using HINDU names) in this case but only to persons/organisation who are in actual possesion of this site from a long time.
Kapaleeswarar Temple is one temple among number of OLD temples in South INDIA and it cannot be compared with AYODHYA case.
I agree with you that POLITICIANS and small time LOCAL LEADERS always try to take over temple lands and make money.
Last year the EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF LORD RANGANATHASWAMY TEMPLE, SRIRANGAM sent notices to Residents staying close to the parikrama of the temple that the place belong to the temple and the residents have formed an association to contest the case.Large areas of LAND adjacent to TIRUSOOLAM SHIVA TEMPLE( very close to AIRPORT,CHENNAI) and belonging to the temple have been illegally occupied and many poor people who work as 'Domestic Help' in NANGANALLUR, MEENAMBAKKAM have constructed their tenements after paying heavy amounts to LOCAL LEADERS.
INDIA is a vast country and there could be any number of illegal occupation of Land.AYODHYA TEMPLE issue affects THE entire HINDU COMMUNITY.
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if u carefully go through my post im supporting u and not negating u.
u r free to reply in a without indulging in ugly name calling.
AND AS FAR AS MY POST IS CONCERNED IF U APPLY A BIT OF REASONING AND LOGIC THEN IT WILL CERTAINLY MAKE SOME SENSe WITH DUE RESPECT DONT CALL BY NAMES. I REPEAT WE MIGHT DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER BUT RESPECT MUST BE THERE. there r bound to be diff of opinion and it must be respected and if not respected must be ignored. NANDRIGAL nanbe(thanks frnd)
Shri RKB,The Ayodhya verdict is a big mistake and will set a wrong precedence to all the title deed cases, if Supreme Court does not correct it at the earliest. What will happen if the Supreme Court Upholds this verdict?
Anyone will be emboldened to dispute the title of any site without any concrete evidence and Courts can do nothing then partitioning the land to all the disputants even if it has dismissed all the petitions. In Ayodhya too, if you and I also have petitioned on some grounds the High Court would have allotted us a share even after dismissing our petition!
I am hearing such a news for the first time and am really surprised. Can you give/ cite some references for this; just so that I can get fuller info., not that I am suspecting your statement.What will happen if Mosleums disputed the Kapaleeshwarar Temple site? In fact there is abundant proof that Hindus have taken the burian grounds of Mosleums for this temple.
Is there not a fundamental legal flaw in equating this imaginary scenario with the Ayodhya case which is more than 100 years old and the acquisition (even if by aggression) of the disputed Mandir by Babur goes back centuries in the past? If supposing Muslims come tomorrow with a claim, the dispute will go to the court immediately and the arguments will be that though something might have happened centuries ago in the past, there was no occupancy of the land under dispute by the Muslims for centuries and the Hindus have been using it as a Temple, hence the hindus get full rights. Don't you think so? Whereas in Ayodhya, the situation was different and both the communities were using it in known times.If the matter goes before the Court, our MUKA will also implead himself as party by a petition. Then that also will be divided in to three at the minimum.
I agree subject to the caveat that if only these cases which you refer to are very similar to the Ayodhya case; if it is like the Mylapore scenario you picturised, I feel our courts will not follow the present verdict.There are several disputes over temple and mosque properties pending in the Courts of India. None of them have assumed high profile as this Ayodhya. If Ayodhya's verdict is accepted, it will only help Courts to settle conveniently all these disputes by quoting Ayodhya as precedence.
Mr.RKB,
Sorry Sir. Your analogy does not hold good.The site in disputed area in AYODHYA is in actual possesion /control/management of the persons/organisations to whom it is allocated as per recent judgement of ALLAHABAD HIGH COURT.
Is there not a fundamental legal flaw in equating this imaginary scenario with the Ayodhya case which is more than 100 years old and the acquisition (even if by aggression) of the disputed Mandir by Babur goes back centuries in the past? If supposing Muslims come tomorrow with a claim, the dispute will go to the court immediately and the arguments will be that though something might have happened centuries ago in the past, there was no occupancy of the land under dispute by the Muslims for centuries and the Hindus have been using it as a Temple, hence the hindus get full rights. Don't you think so? Whereas in Ayodhya, the situation was different and both the communities were using it in known times.
This is a great solution for a Problem that does not exist! If there is need for building a national Museum i'm sure there is free available land in India to do the same.While I appreciate the boldness of the verdict, I am not at all in agreement with it. That whole disputed place, in my opinion should have been taken out of the hands of both religions. A national museum perhaps could have been sanctioned, highlighting and chronicling the dispute and presenting the facts.
Land on either side of the area could have been sanctioned to both religions to build a temple or a mosque, with the knowledge that no one can pin point the exact ground zero for Sri Ram's birth location and nor can one establish the location had a functioning mosque in recent history. While I think that the Hindus have a better case in claiming it, I still think that it is unwise to turn back history.
well one thing i should like to add here that anyways it will take another 8 to 10 yrs for final verdict to come frm the supreme court. its not in the hands of anybody then why waste time thinking abt it. there r more imp issues facing us like unemployment,poverty,education etc etc. i know for a lot of ppl this issue evokes emotions. lets leave it in the hands of the judiciary. there has been no case like this in this world so complex and full of contradictions.
but one thing its very imp that those who use it for their political interest must be sidelined/isolated/ignored. they bank by creating these divisions among communities. vote bank politics u c.
pothu makkal must know whom to listen and whom not to. anyways i doesnt matter that much to young generation who have grown up in cities. they r much more mature and tolerant.
they should not let it affect inter community relations. and peace and tranquility is very imp. only then we can focus on other problems mentioned above. look at pak now. its almost bankrupt. they r tackling Taliban, baloch separatism, sectarianism, communal ism, floods, recession, excessive defense budget, radicalism, terrorism, red tap ism, corruption. they don't even have money to pay their babus salaries.trying for a loan u c. appealing to philanthropists and donors to give generously and they preach india on Kashmir.
what im trying to say(by mentioning pak) that if peace and tranquility is maintained in the nation then the rest of the problems r much more easier to tackle. i hope every community realises this basic fact. anyways we have to live together whether we like it or not. so should respect each other.
thanks.
I am sorry sir, there is no evidence about the exact location of Lord Rama's birth. What could have be established is that the muslims could have destroyed a Ram Mandhir there and built a mosque over it. Even if this is established, current India belongs to everyone if there is no ownership documents. This is why I said that I do not agree with the court's decision.KRS, you are late by a few years. HC could have been petitioned to do what you wish, but was not petitioned.
Sir, I was not talking about the court. I was talking about the handling of this issue by the successive governments. Even with the current court decision, the judges could have arrived at a different legal decision, as it can not be proved beyond doubt about the exact location of Rama's birth.
Central govt had acquired all that property, but not for a public cause. Moreover it was not a party to the suit. The HC treated mostly as a title suit, AS ON 6 Dec 1992. It could not go beyond those parameters. So sooner we drop such cliches the better it is. It only helps to make the muddy waters muddier.
I notice, you use the word 'cliche' a lot to respond to other's postings. You are responding to my generalized posting with a narrow response about the court case. In what sense my posting is 'muddying' the waters? What 'waters' are you referring to?
Like it or not, Raja Ram Viraajman is a party to the suit and has been recognised as such, not by this bench but much earlier than 1992.Okay, so what?
It is better to reconcile to a few hard realities. Lord Rama Viraajman cannot be ousted even by the SC, not now. No Govt has any guts to do so. The appeals will mostly deal with two aspects:
Is partition justfied, given that the HC has accepted it as the janmbhumi?
Was all the evidence considered? Mind you, till today ASI report is confidential, but not NOW, as it is part of the evidence. Rest assured the report would mercilessly examined by independent scholars across the globe and plethora of conclusions would be drawn.