India’s Rape Crisis Undermines the Country

[renuka]

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I am starting to think that we should have a Desi Survey just like how sometimes we have local population study to reactions and response to drugs becos of slight differences in the muscle mass and body mass Index of Caucasians and Non Causacians of the Asian kind.

Even cosmetics that are made for Asian skin usually are conducted on oriental skin like Chinese and Japanese females and these products somehow never suit the Indian/PIO skin.


So to be fair to some members here who feel they have a point and oppose what I or the PIO members feel about rape... may be doctors in India should have a rapist psychological profiling of the Indian kind where random sampling is done from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and leave no religion too out of this survey.

So far all the studies we see are done on western men who have a different mindset from their Indian counterparts..so I am starting to wonder if the males thinking differ from country to country when it comes to rape.

Applying results of a Western study of Western Subjects an expecting the Desi male to fit the profile might not be 100% fair too..there is room for error...so I guess someone in India need to do an All Indian Rapist Psychological Profile to determine the various contributing factors that makes a rapist the person he is.

The results could show no significant difference with western counterpart...or a major difference or a combination of both or even new findings.

So till such a study is conducted..I guess may be none of us can NOT be 100% sure we are right as in the "Mind It" range!LOL

 

[renuka]

It is really amusing to note the statement in post no.173 that, women getting raped by a stranger is very rare.

Dear Ravi,

Nara ji was right when he wrote that

Many a times the rapist is known to the victim and this is a well established fact too BTW.

 

[C RAVI]

There are many many reasons behind rape incidents and on many many grounds!!

Mind It!! LOL!!

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Ravi,

Many a times the rapist is known to the victim and this is a well established fact too BTW.

Who is contradicting the above statement??

The only thing is, stating - "rape by stranger is very very rare" is what I said is amusing to me.

 

[renuka]

There are many many reasons behind rape incidents and on many many grounds!!

Mind It!! LOL!!

Yes you are right...but your reasons only seems to be Bahuda Vadantifying the victims dressing as Vulgar and trying to make that sound less blatant by adding some garam masala that the rapist surfs porn sites...goes to strip joints..bars etc...phone sex service etc..then you end your post yet again with what you thought so in the 1st place...Vulgar Dressing!LOL

Have you see Miss World Contests?

The word everyone waits for is World Peace from the Miss World..till the audience does not hear the word World Peace they will never be satisfied that it is a Miss World Contest.

So same with your posts...I did not have to read it fully to know your "Mind It" Mind...all I did is press ctrl F and typed Vulgar Dressing and Lo Behold I found it in your post!

 

[sangom]

Recently there was a rape case in India where a medical student was dragged into an auto and taken to a place where she was gang raped by 3 guys(auto drivers)...she survived the ordeal cos she managed to beg them not to kill her.

Ok now...2 of the rapist attempted suicide(but did not die) ..not out of remorse but becos they did not want to be caught by the police..these 2 had past criminal records and one of them had the audacity to take poison and phone up the police and tell them "You can never arrest me cos I will dead before you can touch me"..but somehow police traced the call and took him to hospital and he is recovering now..awaiting to be trialed.

Just see the mindset of the person...no remorse but so 'arrogant' and dare challenge the police and is willing to die just to show that no one could trial him and sentence him for the rape.

So my dear friends...this is how some rapist think..criminal minded..and it is nothing to do most of the while with a personal satisfaction of sex as some wrongly believe.

Smt. Renuka,

According to the news reports here (in TVPM), the call from one of the culprits to the police has not been published. The third fellow (one who did not attempt suicide) it seems wanted to kill the victim but the other two forbade him from doing that. Thus, only one of the three culprits may be said to be criminal minded and he is a known history sheeter. The other two along with this history sheeter are good friends and they also were looking out for street walkers late in that night, for their "enjoyment". This is the report coming here. Hence, there seems to be radical difference from your source.

Just for my info. will you kindly furnish the sources for your above post, please?

 

[renuka]

Smt. Renuka,

According to the news reports here (in TVPM), the call from one of the culprits to the police has not been published. The third fellow (one who did not attempt suicide) it seems wanted to kill the victim but the other two forbade him from doing that. Thus, only one of the three culprits may be said to be criminal minded and he is a known history sheeter. The other two along with this history sheeter are good friends and they also were looking out for street walkers late in that night, for their "enjoyment". This is the report coming here. Hence, there seems to be radical difference from your source.

Just for my info. will you kindly furnish the sources for your above post, please?

Dear Sangom ji,


I had read that online in one of the sites but I cant remember which one..I have to look through my browsing history to come to that site.
But I read it no doubt.

 

[renuka]

Ok found it...

Dear Sangom ji<

Here it is:
3 arrested in Manipal gangrape case after a week - Hindustan Times


It is sad to note that this is the college I studied in and all of us took safety for granted back then.



Cracking the case after a week, police on Thursday arrested three men in connection with the abduction and gangrape of a 22-year-old medical student, with two of them allegedly making a futile suicide bid.


The breakthrough came as an accused Yogesh Shantappa Poojary (30), consumed poison and made a call to the Udupi Superintendent of Police's office on Thursday morning, confessing to his crime, IGP (Western Range) Pratap Reddy told reporters.
"He first consumed poison and then gave a call to us. He was groaning over phone and heard him saying the police will catch him, but will not let that happen," he said.

Police located Yogesh's house through mobile tracker and rushed him to hospital, Reddy said, adding, he was now stable and recuperating.
During interrogation, Yogesh disclosed the name of his accomplice Hariprasad Poojary (26), Reddy said.
"In fact Hariprasad was questioned earlier while interrogating auto drivers," he said.
Yogesh and Hariprasad were auto-rikshaw drivers who had criminal records, he said. Both were arrested in Udupi.
After the two arrests, the third accused -- Anand (28) --was nabbed from Sannakkibettu village near here while he was allegedly making an attempt to hang himself.
"The police, who were searching for him since morning near Onthibettu village, made timely intervention and prevented him from committing suicide. Anand has been rushed to KMC hospital and is undergoing treatment," he said.
Earlier in Bangalore, before the arrests were announced, Chief Minister Siddaramaiah said the accused would be tried by a fast-track court. Reddy said the abduction and gang-rape of the victim was not pre-planned.
"The accused had kidnapped and raped the girl under the influence of alcohol," he said. The auto-rickshaw used for abduction and gang-rape has been found, Reddy said.
The medical student from Kerala was kidnapped in the Manipal University campus and gang-raped while she was returning to her room on June 20, with the incident triggering outrage and protests.
Twelve police teams with 200 persons were working on the case. Reddy said the police is hoping to get cooperation from the victim as it has been difficult for it to elicit vital clues for further investigation.
"There are many legal procedures to ensure justice to the victim. We need to bring the victim for identification and verify the crime spot."
About Rs. two lakh reward announced by police for anyone who could provide information leading to the arrest of the culprits, he said they would not reveal the informer's name for security reasons. Reddy said the police would soon arrest the third culprit.

 

[sangom]

Thank you, Smt. Renuka.

 

[renuka]

I want to bring up certain points in the comparison of an Indian rapist and a Western Rapist.

Quite a number of Western Rapist have come from broken abusive homes often becos of divorced parents and an absent mother and the person starts to hate women.

But in the Indian scenario I feel the recent rape cases..many did not come from broken homes..in fact the junior most violent rapist of Nirbhaya's case was staying with his parents and a fairly stable family.

So in Indian cases the Divorce/Unstable factor/Absent mother is missing...but yet we see rape.


But we have to remember that the average Indian woman favors her son more than daughters and sons are often pampered and can get away with anything at home.

So is the absent mother factor of the Western scenario = to the over pampering mother of the Indian scenario and both can indirectly contribute to a male having lack of respect for a female as to violate her??

May be members can give their opinions on this?


Note: A mothers role in shaping the child's psychology is well known fact..so the absent mother or over pampering mother here should not be translated as I am blaming women in the formation of a rapist.

To know a rapist we need to go back right to conception and what ever he was exposed to till the event of rape.

 

[zebra16]

I want to bring up certain points in the comparison of an Indian rapist and a Western Rapist.

Quite a number of Western Rapist have come from broken abusive homes often becos of divorced parents and an absent mother and the person starts to hate women.

But in the Indian scenario I feel the recent rape cases..many did not come from broken homes..in fact the junior most violent rapist of Nirbhaya's case was staying with his parents and a fairly stable family.

So in Indian cases the Divorce/Unstable factor/Absent mother is missing...but yet we see rape.


But we have to remember that the average Indian woman favors her son more than daughters and sons are often pampered and can get away with anything at home.

So is the absent mother factor of the Western scenario = to the over pampering mother of the Indian scenario and both can indirectly contribute to a male having lack of respect for a female as to violate her??

May be members can give their opinions on this?


Note: A mothers role in shaping the child's psychology is well known fact..so the absent mother or over pampering mother here should not be translated as I am blaming women in the formation of a rapist.

To know a rapist we need to go back right to conception and what ever he was exposed to till the event of rape.

To have a better idea if broken homes contributed a major share in the mentality build up of a rapist in the western world, we have to know if the person with rapist tendencies spent his formative years with his mother or father.

I do not know, but my gut feeling is the children tended to stay with the mother on most occasions and the father had to wage a custody battle in most cases to have his control over the ward. If there are overwhelming number of cases that the rapist in western countries stayed with his father then there could be a case for what you have said.

Secondly the next important point would be to know if the father remained single or whether he re-married or whether he had live in arrangement of some sorts with other woman/women which triggered the rape instincts of the rapist and whether the culmination of such instincts is on account of hate for other women, except his mother.

Going backwards we may have to retreat all the way back to oedipal and electra complex of Freudian analysis. Whether the thread will remain on course during its journey without entering several phases of tu-tu=mein-mein, I have serious doubts.

As you are in medical profession, I would like to know the opinion of medical fraternity to the basic question, which is "is there a tendency to rape latent in all males" and only the societal control and fear of being overpowered or punished by some other bigger force keeps it in check?

 

[renuka]

As you are in medical profession, I would like to know the opinion of medical fraternity to the basic question, which is "is there a tendency to rape latent in all males" and only the societal control and fear of being overpowered or punished by some other bigger force keeps it in check?

Dear Sir,

I too was thinking on the same lines cos the early primitive man did hit the woman on her head and drag her to his cave.

So I wonder if the male sex instinct takes over like how like a male elephant's extremely high testosterone makes it so wild and hostile and even go on rampage.

I am starting to wonder if there is something called the Rape Gene??

Well if Sattva Gene can exists why not Rape Gene?? (LOL! Just kidding).

But I am actually wondering if genetics have a role here too besides environmental.

Just to let you know for each human to a major extent our behaviour is shaped by environmental and social conditioning.
There is a dampening effect that stops us from reacting the way we want too.

For example..sometimes when we are angry with a person we do not show it and somehow manage to even smile but in cases of those who have had of head injury they seem to lose that control and totally act out what they think.

I had a worked with a fellow doc before who once had met and accident and was in a coma for a brain clots and surgery was done to remove that clot.

Post surgery he recovered but his mannerism changed...he used to be mild mannered person but after surgery he could hardly contain his anger and used to shout at fellow docs and patients and he started to swear too..something he had never done.

Then he noted to us that he cant control what comes across his mind...he has to act the way he thinks.


The human brain does have its own Behavioral Inhibition area in the pre frontal cortex.

It is through this area we are able to inhibit us from carrying out inappropriate actions too.


So I am starting to wonder if the Brain of rapist function differently from a normal male.

Just wondering..only a long term cases study survey can tell provided it does not give the rapist an easy chance to escape on technical grounds if it is proved that the tendency to rape lies latent in a male.

 

[auh]

Just to let you know for each human to a major extent our behaviour is shaped by environmental and social conditioning.

And that probably argues the case in favour of "appropriate dressing".

 

[renuka]

And that probably argues the case in favour of "appropriate dressing".

Dear Auh ji,

The definition of appropriate dressing differs from region to region...where I stay a saree is considered revealing.

 

[auh]

The definition of appropriate dressing differs from region to region...where I stay a saree is considered revealing.

I wouldn't aruge on that. To dress according to the sensibilities of the locale is what is required.

 

[sangom]

To have a better idea if broken homes contributed a major share in the mentality build up of a rapist in the western world, we have to know if the person with rapist tendencies spent his formative years with his mother or father.

I do not know, but my gut feeling is the children tended to stay with the mother on most occasions and the father had to wage a custody battle in most cases to have his control over the ward. If there are overwhelming number of cases that the rapist in western countries stayed with his father then there could be a case for what you have said.

Secondly the next important point would be to know if the father remained single or whether he re-married or whether he had live in arrangement of some sorts with other woman/women which triggered the rape instincts of the rapist and whether the culmination of such instincts is on account of hate for other women, except his mother.

I think an ordinarily (not unduly, that is, as such a condition might induce oedipus complex) loving mother who is also strict when required, will not warp the psyche of a male child. A broken home could give the boy negative feedback about his mother. Similarly if the stepmother is harsh and unkind, a boy may develop some kind of misogyny which may manifest later on - when his own sexuality draws him towards females - as a tendency to get sexual satisfaction out of raping. But I feel, even in such cases, it is not power-play or dimination over woman, but the mix of hatred and sexual attraction which may be at work.

As you are in medical profession, I would like to know the opinion of medical fraternity to the basic question, which is "is there a tendency to rape latent in all males" and only the societal control and fear of being overpowered or punished by some other bigger force keeps it in check?

My limited personal feeling is that not all menfolk are born this way, but, since human nature is very, very diverse, there may be a small section of males, who would not mind even raping in order to satisfy their lust. But when the woman resists the rape, it becomes a fight and perhaps, it is at that point, that the desire to win that fight and dominate prevails the rapist's mind.

 

[renuka]

Been reading up about rape and came across some interesting points in searching for a rapist motives...one of them being:



Relying on another Freudian concept, some authors asserted that
rapists have a Madonna–prostitute complex.

Men with this complex divide women into two types: those they love and consider worthy of respect (Madonnas), and those they regard as inferior and seek to defile and
degrade (prostitutes).

They only enjoy sex with the latter(prostitutes): “Where such men love, they have no desire, and where they desire, they cannot love.”


As a result, these men cannot be sexually satisfied with their wives or girlfriends, whom they love and respect.

So they rape disreputable women toward whom they feel nothing but contempt but with whom they can find sexual satisfaction.


Taken from Criminology.

Search for rapists real motives.

 

[C RAVI]

I think an ordinarily (not unduly, that is, as such a condition might induce oedipus complex) loving mother who is also strict when required, will not warp the psyche of a male child. A broken home could give the boy negative feedback about his mother. Similarly if the stepmother is harsh and unkind, a boy may develop some kind of misogyny which may manifest later on - when his own sexuality draws him towards females - as a tendency to get sexual satisfaction out of raping. But I feel, even in such cases, it is not power-play or dimination over woman, but the mix of hatred and sexual attraction which may be at work.



My limited personal feeling is that not all menfolk are born this way, but, since human nature is very, very diverse, there may be a small section of males, who would not mind even raping in order to satisfy their lust. But when the woman resists the rape, it becomes a fight and perhaps, it is at that point, that the desire to win that fight and dominate prevails the rapist's mind.

Very good post, Shri.Sangom,

In many many rape cases, the rapists are neither a really rape criminal nor are necessarily from broken family. And even if they are from broken family they are not really rape criminals before committing any such crime.

For example, in Nirbhaya's case, the Prime accused Ram Singh who commuted suicide (as per the reports) in Tihar jail had a broken family life. His wife left him long before and he was a loafer in his slum area, making sexual comments on slum girls/women. He was a menace in their slum area. He never had a track record of Rape BUT was a very crude, rash and violent fellow. The others in the group have proper family and never had any such criminal records.

All of their motive was to enjoy sex with a girl and they got a family girl - Nirbhaya (and not a prostitute) with whom they can indulge in Sex without protection and that too Free of Cost.

As you rightly highlighted, when the girls resist rape, that is obvious to do, the rapist as a Man overrule her power play and succeed with his masculine power over feminine power. That's how a girl could be raped by a single rapist as well without other men as a group.

As I said before, the Manly power is just an aid that comes handy for rapists to perform force Sex with the victim. The girl who knows Martial arts or strong and smart enough to foil the rapist attempt only could succeed in escaping. When the girl succeeds the first disappointment for the Rapist is - He could not succeed in having intercourse and then feel that as a Man who is supposed to be physically more powerful them a woman, he should even resort to extreme violence with the help of tools and some how win in his power and in his desires.

 

[renuka]

I thought today for a change we will discuss a new topic..the seldom thought of..

"When Men Cry Rape"

I happened to see an episode of NCIS Special Victims Unit some time ago when they showed how men reacted to rape.

We have to understand that a male seldom gets sympathy in a sex related crime done to them and many too dare not come out in the open or even make police reports.

The episode showed that the male rapists was a person who was not gay but he had a stint in prison and was "raped" by other male inmates...when he came out of prison he was bitter that he was violated and started to rape other males to vent out his frustrations.

But the victims of this male rape did not want to even make a police report becos they feared society will accuse them of being gay(when they are not gay) and also afraid that they will be seen as less manly.So they suffered in silence.

To a certain extent females get sympathy from society but males get less.

May be we should start thinking on lines that anyone can get raped not only a woman.

But in cases of male rapes...the victim is never blamed..in fact no comment on dressing of victim or he being out late night on the street is mentioned as the contributing factors.

There are also cases where males are raped by females as in this article:

Men Raped By Women - AskMen

Please also go through this:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2011/jul/17/the-rape-of-men

 

[biswa]

The true color of Dubai

As per the laws of the Emirate, the rape victim is also a criminal for "participating" in the illicit act.

They just had the big heart to pardon her for being raped.

Dubai ruler pardons Norwegian woman convicted after she reported rape - CNN.com

A medieval society at its best...

 

[auh]

As per the laws of the Emirate, the rape victim is also a criminal for "participating" in the illicit act.

They just had the big heart to pardon her for being raped.

Dubai ruler pardons Norwegian woman convicted after she reported rape - CNN.com

A medieval society at its best...

Agreed, it is heinous, but down in the Emirates, there is always more than meets the eye.

 

[kunjuppu]

i read this one as it received extensive coverage in toronto newspapers..

one little thing we forget, 'when in rome, do as the romans'. obviously, this woman was having a drink in her room, with another man. nothing wrong in that, for western societies. but would raise eyebrows east of europe till we reach japan.

let us not forget, that in chennai, if a cop sees a young couple strolling in the beach or park, off hours, they stop them and question if these are married. usually the woman's thali is enough. no thali? goto the police station, and the girl's parents get a call. the boy? in jail probably.

i believe, it is good habit, when you go to foreign lands, live by their rules. saves a lot of hassle.

good this did not happen in saudi. there she might have been already stoned to death.

 

[palindrome]

Renu,

There are also cases where males are raped by females as in this article:

Men Raped By Women - AskMen

Read thru, but did not find the part you mention. The article is about men being raped by men.

Please also go through this:

The rape of men | Society | The Observer

Don't you think Wendy Walsh made a "somewhat" illogical conclusion ? Women do not have a "tool" with which they can forcibly penetrate and tear the vagina. Sorry but had to put it this crudely.