India’s Rape Crisis Undermines the Country

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What is this Quick Gun Murugan Style Mind it! Mind it?

Most rapist are not capable emotionally of connecting with any woman for a personal fulfillment sex...now Personal Fulfillment sex is practiced even in marriage...both normal man and normal woman have sex for mutual satisfaction and personal satisfaction in varying proportions.

A rapist does not think like this...he just cant connect..for him Sex is a form of aggression and about being in control and subjugation of the female.

I feel may be some of us are confusing the meaning of the word Subjugation as the usual subjugation we see in life like junior being subjugated by a senior..a wife by her husband etc...that is different.

The psychological definition of subjugation in terms of rape is different all together.

May be some of us should get more familiar with such terms.

Rapist is not Quick Gun style for a Wham Bham Thank You Maam...He is Shooting the very idea of a women itself..he subjugates her in his mind when he violates her.

I won't chose words like Mind it! to prove a point cos I keep my options open to new info in the field of psychology.

But what surprises me that some are cock sure of what they think!LOL

Dr Renu

You have tried to explain complex concept in simple means in my view.

Most people when confronted with a crime try to explain it in ways that they can relate to.

Many otherwise ordinary people will commit small acts of crime if an opportunity presented itself.

For example if a cashier forgets to charge for a few items and it is discovered later many may not report and give back the money.

Most do not think of stealing pirated software or a pdf version of a book if given to them. Some years ago I met a elderly and very orthodox couple who had a PC. They asked me to use it when I was visiting India. I quickly found that it was infested with all kinds of virus and lacked security updates of windows. I tried to help them and found that it was an illegal copy of windows system. I mentioned that this is incorrect and that their PC may be used as a bot for other crimes (like spam source etc). They found out they paid for 'cheaper' version and even after knowing it was stolen they did not want to change.

But if it comes down to committing a serious crime many will draw the line and there will be no doubt in their mind.

If a rapist says he was taken by the way woman appeared to flirt or how she dressed that made him do this act some people may believe the rapist because by putting themselves in the shoes of a 'rapist' they think 'even I could insist on sex beyond a point of no return etc'. But such people if confronted with flirty women who is under dressed will insist but back off if the woman truly says No and begins to show her vulnerability of being attacked. Because basically all these people are good at heart, and just confuse rape with sex.

But one who thinks they understand rape cannot comprehend the mind of a senseless serial killer who sexually thrive in playing overlordship on their victims.

Many do not realize that a rapist crosses that line when insistence turns into power exchange to subjugate and abuse another human being with their sex organ merely used as an instrument. They could use any other instrument like they did in the case of Nirbhaya to perform act of rape.

Rapists mind is more like that of a serial killer who thrives on power exchange on their victim.

 

[prasad1]

One solution:

Export rapists, potential or committed, to those countries which have a low crime rate, where rape is non existent, where the social norms and social pressures will reform the person.

Norway has plans to close four prisons because of lower occupancy. If 4000 are sent there, then there will be no job loss for norwegians. If liberal laws of the country allow stress relief night visits for the prisoners, the benign environment may reform the culprits and facilitate rehabilitation.

What depraved mind, what cynical view. What audacity to post this views.

 

[sarang]

Only the chosen few with foul mouth and fouler language have the right to think out of the box!

What a dreg on the community. Why can't the chosen one opt out and live forever in foreign land, in mind and spirit and body and posting. No loss to bharatavarsha.

What depraved mind, what cynical view. What audacity to post this views.

 

[C RAVI]

The real issue is the issue of why it happens, and that is what I hoped to address.

It happens for many many reasons on many many grounds.

Who commit rape? -

01) A stranger rapes/gang rape a unknown girl (both desis and foreigners)
02) A family member rapes a girl in his own family
03) A class/collage mate rapes a co-student
04) A colleague rapes a co-worker
05) A teacher/professor rapes a student
06) The officials, from watchman-cleaner-housekeeper-warden-teacher-Administrator rape orphan girls in orphanages.
07) Teenagers rape another teenaged girl to experiment what is sex and what pleasure can be derived.
08) A guy whose love proposal was rejected by a girl, rapes a girl. Gang rape her as well
09) A sexually obsessed pervert with his sick mind rapes a female from age of 3 to age of 80
10) A hardcore criminal with acute psychological imbalance hunt a girl to rape and murder her as his passion.


Why it happens? -

1) Obsession with Sex in perverted minds
2) Unsatisfied Lust
3) To take revenge, to put down and to control & black mail a girl (these are the cases where a girl is raped by a guy known to her, in some way or other)


Factors that facilitates/kindles such acts -

1) Cinema (U/A & Adult Sex Movies).
2) Night life (Pubs, Discotheques, dace bars)
3) Pornographic sites
4) Phone Sex Services
5) Late night traveling (personal & official), hiring unknown vehicle/driver.
6) Sense of Rivalry.
7) Vulgar dressing

 

[auh]

Kum. Amala,

I am neither an expert on rape nor a psychologist, to give authoritative views on the topic. Though some studies have been quoted/cited, even in some of the earlier posts here, perhaps. But to my limited intelligence and knowledge, it is not only the "power" aspect which triggers the instinct for rape in men; the unsatisfied sexual urge also causes some persons to attempt a rape, provided the circumstances also become favourable.

Your question as to why a man should try to rape instead of going to a brothel or some willing woman, omits the practical realities imho. It may not always be posssible for a person to have enough cash for payment to such a sex worker. Secondly, it may so happpen that the person has been so much lured by the depiction of female bodies in the media that, even though he is a visitor to brothels, he is no longer satisfied with that level and quality but yearns for a qualitatively much better experience. Thirdly, many such men today avoid the PSWs because of the fear of contacting AIDS.

(It is relevant to mention here that Kerala has a thriving 'house boat' tourism. It has become a mainstay for foreign tourists to have their sexual adventures of all types including paedophiles, homo-sexuals, lesbians, etc. These tourists do not want to spend much. So, there are now many women who lure girls studying in high school and the +1, +2 classes, to such customers and take away the major portion of what the tourist pays. Such young student girls are most preferred by tourists, it seems, because of the belief that these girls will be AIDS-free. Just a few days back there was a newspaper report that a girl escaped from the clutches of the foreign tourist customer, unable to bear his constant demands on her.)

As I had stated in one of my earlier posts, the lowest echelons of the society in India have been suddenly exposed to such sexually exciting consumerist culture and that too, all of a sudden, that these sections which are generally backward in education and do not have even acceptably good standards of living, really go hay-wire and then they resort to rape if they are lucky. This was what happened in the case of the Delhi braveheart (who decided to take a public transport from a point where delhiites say, no sensible person would go without one's own conveyance) as also in the present case of the Manipal rape (where the medical student felt walking at 11.30 P.M. to her flat wouls be quite safe for her).

There is an oft repeated adage in Malayalam which goes as, సూక్షిచ్చాల్‍ దుఃఖిక్కేణ్ట (sūkṣiccāl- duḥkhikkeṇṭa) - the more one is careful the less one will have to grieve later on. I feel this applies very much to women these days, especially in India.

All in all a balanced post, and the highlighted is, well, on the dot.

A movie "Kattradhu Tamizh" echoed similar sentiments through the mind of the protagonist, along with some other.

 

[sarang]

There are other kind of rapes which do not get media attention; so they are mostly unknown. Only when the serially raped victim either commits suicide or complaints to the police (and the press) claiming rejection or cheating, the culprit being a politician or boss or police officer, the extent of the 'crime' is known.

Living in for extended periods with promise or hope of culminating in marriage which never happens is a new kind of rape accusation. Days ago a district judge was arrested in tamilnadu when he married someone else instead of a lady police inspector he was living with. Perhaps only one out of 100 such incidents is exposed.

At least culprits who indulge in forced and violent rape with minors and children must be sentenced within days of arrest.

 

[prasad1]

Only the chosen few with foul mouth and fouler language have the right to think out of the box!

What a dreg on the community. Why can't the chosen one opt out and live forever in foreign land, in mind and spirit and body and posting. No loss to bharatavarsha.

If someone appointed you to represent the great nation of Bharat, then they should be .... A great nation needs great leader and a great representative. A representative with less-than average gray matter does diservice to that nation, no to humanity.

 

[amala]

Many do not realize that a rapist crosses that line when insistence turns into power exchange to subjugate and abuse another human being with their sex organ merely used as an instrument. They could use any other instrument like they did in the case of Nirbhaya to perform act of rape.

Rapists mind is more like that of a serial killer who thrives on power exchange on their victim.

This is exactly what I've been saying about rape but according to Govindaji my my line of thought is flawed lol. And then there is Ravi who actually is so darn sure he knows the reasons for rape and keeps listing lust etc.

 

[sarang]

There can be and there are many reasons, like dress sense being one of them. If we have to limit the assignable causes to one only, then it is 'vidi'.

This is exactly what I've been saying about rape but according to Govindaji my my line of thought is flawed lol. And then there is Ravi who actually is so darn sure he knows the reasons for rape and keeps listing lust etc.

 

[prasad1]

this is exactly what i've been saying about rape but according to govindaji my my line of thought is flawed lol. And then there is ravi who actually is so darn sure he knows the reasons for rape and keeps listing lust etc.

lol

 

[sangom]

It happens for many many reasons on many many grounds.

Who commit rape? -

01) A stranger rapes/gang rape a unknown girl (both desis and foreigners)
02) A family member rapes a girl in his own family
03) A class/collage mate rapes a co-student
04) A colleague rapes a co-worker
05) A teacher/professor rapes a student
06) The officials, from watchman-cleaner-housekeeper-warden-teacher-Administrator rape orphan girls in orphanages.
07) Teenagers rape another teenaged girl to experiment what is sex and what pleasure can be derived.
08) A guy whose love proposal was rejected by a girl, rapes a girl. Gang rape her as well
09) A sexually obsessed pervert with his sick mind rapes a female from age of 3 to age of 80
10) A hardcore criminal with acute psychological imbalance hunt a girl to rape and murder her as his passion.


Why it happens? -

1) Obsession with Sex in perverted minds
2) Unsatisfied Lust
3) To take revenge, to put down and to control & black mail a girl (these are the cases where a girl is raped by a guy known to her, in some way or other)


Factors that facilitates/kindles such acts -

1) Cinema (U/A & Adult Sex Movies).
2) Night life (Pubs, Discotheques, dace bars)
3) Pornographic sites
4) Phone Sex Services
5) Late night traveling (personal & official), hiring unknown vehicle/driver.
6) Sense of Rivalry.
7) Vulgar dressing

Dear Shri Ravi,

It appears to me, from the various posts made in this thread, that our PIO members abroad are much more aware of the mindset of rapists than perhaps I or you are. They have such "dead-sure" confidence which makes one suspect from where they got such sure notions.

I think it is now better to leave rape to the rapists themselves and our PIO experts on rape. Let us decide to withdraw from this thread and leave rapes in India for treatment and cure by our PIO experts.

PS: Hope you will not misunderstand my suggestion.

 

[amala]

Sangom Sir I hope you can see that its not any of us PIOs that are over confident and so sure about the reasons of rape compared to Ravi. I don't see any of us listing out again and again of why it happens. I feel from dozens of his post he is very very sure why rapists rape.

 

[tks]

This is exactly what I've been saying about rape but according to Govindaji my my line of thought is flawed lol. And then there is Ravi who actually is so darn sure he knows the reasons for rape and keeps listing lust etc.

I do not want to comment about individual members based on their stated positions - often people's online persona may be different and sometimes people are caught in a given position needing to justify it.

In matters such as this I cannot trust my instinct since I cannot put myself in the shoes of a rapist or a serial killer or others who commit violent crime. I cannot trust the instinct of others either for the same reason.

However if anyone studies the opinion of people who deal with rape victims all the time such as law enforcement people and counselors their understanding from what I have read is that this rape is a violent act with sex act used as an instrument for asserting power exchange.

I have also seen people who are deprived of sex in their lives (and I do not mean to make statement on any members here) who also tend to confuse sex with rape

 

[sangom]

Sangom Sir I hope you can see that its not any of us PIOs that are over confident and so sure about the reasons of rape compared to Ravi. I don't see any of us listing out again and again of why it happens. I feel from dozens of his post he is very very sure why rapists rape.

Pl. see posts #142, 151 etc. for a few of the latest examples of what I said. If you start right from the OP there will be many more such cases.

I for one am not anybody to pronounce as much authoritatively as those posts. Whatever I have so far written is the cumulative experience I have gleaned from the talk among the uneducated labouring classes both here in Trivandrum and also in different places I have lived and worked, like Mumbai, Kanpur etc. But when people say with so much surety about rapists (as though their can be the only correct view) I thought it was time for Ravi to back out of the scene. Hence my advise.

In the delhi nirbhaya case, the fellows had drunk and wanted a "good time"; they did not have anything other than sex - no subjugation, no exhibition of 'power' etc. - when they said "good time" I think. Since one girl came "free" on their way, they could not restrain themselves.

In another recent Gurgaon case, the two raped women were pub workers and one had received money from the fellow and had herself 'raped' but since the benefit of the entire sum lent (70,000 or so) the lender decided to stalk the two and rape them. According to me this is a complicated case.

In a third case one fellow saw a pornographic video on his mobile perhaps, got aroused and lured a small girl from his adjacent house and raped her.

All in all, today, because of the consumerist invasion and the use of the female body to invigorate the incipient lust in man in order to enhance sales of one commodity or another, the men in the lowest echelons have come to harbour dangerously delusive ideas about the female sex itself as a heavenly object of enjoyment. But, for people who have settled down long term in developed countries, and with hardly any continuous and close contact with India and its conditions, different impressions could be there. We - some of us here - tried to tell that their diagnosis is possibly wrong; Ravi, because of his youth and zeal, writes little more vigorously. But one thing is for sure - when even 3% of rapists are not convicted in a developed country like US, where the habit of not blaming the rape victim has come about only recently, any amount of suggestions for eradicating rape in India will not bring about any appreciable change in the scenario.

If however our PIO gurus want to discuss and Praveen is willing to lend storage space, why should we object, and why should we go on giving our pov in the matter?

 

[C RAVI]

This is exactly what I've been saying about rape but according to Govindaji my my line of thought is flawed lol. And then there is Ravi who actually is so darn sure he knows the reasons for rape and keeps listing lust etc.

There can be and there are many reasons, like dress sense being one of them. If we have to limit the assignable causes to one only, then it is 'vidi'.

Shri Sarang,

This post is with reference to your post no.159, that was in response to Amala's post with all her assertiveness.


It is strange to see some one stating that the act of rape by a rapist is similar to that of a serial killer who simply kills a person as been obsessed with killing/chopping and seeing the blood, been psychologically derailed. That, all the rapists and all the instances of rape have the Only Motive of Humiliating a lady, thriving on power exchange on their victim and nothing else. "Rape ONLY takes place on such grounds and for nothing else"!! LOL!!! (Shri Tks, I don't agree with your generalized opinion in this thread topic)

Ironically some members are accepting such views as the Only Truth. LOL!!

One should know that, in Nirbhaya's case, the criminal's premeditated to fulfill their party/celebration with having sex with a girl and as such initiated everything to indulge in sex with Nirbhaya (finding a girl Free of Cost, that too a homely girl and not a sex worker). They used iron road to hit her, to humiliate her, to torture her since she fought back against rape.

I don't know if some members here are really so ignorant or they just want to disagree with us, for the sake of it.

 

[C RAVI]

Ref. to post no.162,


One need not be a scholar to identify the reasons in such social issues. One need to have thorough understanding of human behavior, out of learning by what we read/come across and with our common sense.

Shri. Sangom, It is so pathetic that you got to explain so much in detail in your post no.164, to make adults understand our stand.



However I appreciate your well written post no.164

 

[amala]

However if anyone studies the opinion of people who deal with rape victims all the time such as law enforcement people and counselors their understanding from what I have read is that this rape is a violent act with sex act used as an instrument for asserting power exchange.

I have also seen people who are deprived of sex in their lives (and I do not mean to make statement on any members here) who also tend to confuse sex with rape

Well some people don't take on board opinions by people who deal with rape as a profession because they think they know better. They think its major achievement taking pot shots at members here. As to your last para, I never thought of it that way, but looking around (without pointing fingers) I think you may be onto to something here.

 

[C RAVI]

.... Ravi, because of his youth and zeal, writes little more vigorously.

Shri.Sangom,

To some extent you are right in your above statement.

The second reason is, I have no much comfort of time to articulate my statements and present it in a much polished manner. I am a Travel Consultant, working as Branch Head, have much work pressure from my clients and Management and still some how spare my time to participate here. When I could not spare time, you can find me posting even at 1-2am India time, i.e, up to 12-12:30am Dubai time, after reaching home.

Thus, I stick to the points straight away and present it to the best of my ability in a short time.

 

[sangom]

Well some people don't take on board opinions by people who deal with rape as a profession because they think they know better. They think its major achievement taking pot shots at members here. As to your last para, I never thought of it that way, but looking around (without pointing fingers) I think you may be onto to something here.

Kum. Amala,

Shri tks is, in my view, liberal hearted to permit a reason other than the oft-repeated assertion of power. What tks says is partly true imo, because we hear nowadays of rape by father of daughter also. Now in any average Indian household the father will not have any question of lacking controlling powers over his daughter. Hence the power angle will not fit in in such cases of father-rapes-daughter cases unless (this again, is my ignorant Indian viewpoint, not certified by any "opinion of people who deal with rape victims all the time such as law enforcement people and counselors...etc.") the mother (wife) is uncontrollable for her husband or, if the father suspects the paternity of the girl because of the uncontrollable nature of his wife. However, when the father in such cases rapes his deemed daughter, it is more to satisfy his sex rather than teaching a lessson to his uncontrollable wife, much less to bring her under his control indirectly.

While I do not dispute the wisdom of "people who deal with rape victims all the time such as law enforcement people and counselors their understanding", it is the stand of the people who stoutly refuse to accept that rape could be caused by some other factors also, which astounds me; and in such intransigent attitude, there is some reason to doubt that this probably is an artificially engineered stand (much like the plethora of 'learned studies' emanating from abroad - and to a lesser extent from within Indian academia as well - with an agenda to insulate the rape victim and thus further the so-called feminist view points.

It is sad that members who have no inkling of ground realities in India preach that "people who are deprived of sex in their lives who also tend to confuse sex with rape". Even at the risk of being edited out let me say that even vagrant children (of 8 to 10 years) in Mumbai, Kanpur new the difference between sexual intercourse and rape and I can swear to this. They used to say, for example, sālī, us kī cūt phāḍ dūṃgā meṃ.

 

[C RAVI]

Kum. Amala,



It is sad that members who have no inkling of ground realities in India preach that "people who are deprived of sex in their lives who also tend to confuse sex with rape". Even at the risk of being edited out let me say that even vagrant children (of 8 to 10 years) in Mumbai, Kanpur new the difference between sexual intercourse and rape and I can swear to this. They used to say, for example, sālī, us kī cūt phāḍ dūṃgā meṃ.

Shri, Sangom,

Thank you for your most needed message! Especially the concluding Hindi Transliteration, that I would desist to post here (knowing many such dialogues among kids and teenagers), considering my age and single status.

People are few here who are eager to make unsubstantial speculations on such single men, in their cheap attempt to devalue their post

 

[renuka]

Sangom Sir I hope you can see that its not any of us PIOs that are over confident and so sure about the reasons of rape compared to Ravi. I don't see any of us listing out again and again of why it happens. I feel from dozens of his post he is very very sure why rapists rape.

Dear Amala,

You are right...I get what you mean.

I think may be some of us should tune in to the series NCIS Special Victims Unit on TV to get a rough idea of the profile of a rapist.

It ranges from the rough aggressive types to the suave smooth talking types who prey on minors.

This TV series also explains in detail the psychological make up of all the different types of rapist.

The have done their homework well and present in a very professional manner.

There was one episode where there was a doctor who had donated sperms and he had 3 donor daughters and also had a daughter through his own marriage...and his college enemy whose girlfriend this doctor had stolen away and married traces the all the donor daughters of this doctor and also traces the doctor's own daughter.

This guy is smooth and suave and manages to smooth talk these teenage girls into having sex with them.
Then he also gets to know the doctor''s daughter(whose mother was his ex girlfriend) and has sex with her after smooth talking her.

The reason he did this was becos he hated the doctor who had taken away his girlfriend and married her and this guy did not meet anyone else in his life whom he could fall in love and marry...so he started tracing all the daughters of this doc as a form of revenge that "I will violate your own blood"...and he also ended up having sex with his ex girl friend's daughter cos he felt at least he can get some part of his ex girlfriend by having sex with her daughter.

So you see...each rapist really differs...NCIS Special Victims Unit is worth a watch instead of us reading some long long long list of no evidence based imaginative causes of rape.

 

[renuka]

Recently there was a rape case in India where a medical student was dragged into an auto and taken to a place where she was gang raped by 3 guys(auto drivers)...she survived the ordeal cos she managed to beg them not to kill her.

Ok now...2 of the rapist attempted suicide(but did not die) ..not out of remorse but becos they did not want to be caught by the police..these 2 had past criminal records and one of them had the audacity to take poison and phone up the police and tell them "You can never arrest me cos I will dead before you can touch me"..but somehow police traced the call and took him to hospital and he is recovering now..awaiting to be trialed.

Just see the mindset of the person...no remorse but so 'arrogant' and dare challenge the police and is willing to die just to show that no one could trial him and sentence him for the rape.

So my dear friends...this is how some rapist think..criminal minded..and it is nothing to do most of the while with a personal satisfaction of sex as some wrongly believe.

 

[Nara]

President Carter admitted openly that he had committed adultery mentally. In other words feeling sexual arousal is not uncommon, but that does not automatically result in going out and satisfying that urge through violence. So, those who place sexual gratification as the reason for rape, or at least a major reason, must still have to answer why most men are able to control these appetites and only the rapists are prepared to take it to the next violent level.

Almost all men who drink don't go out and rape. Almost all those who watch porn don't go out and rape -- porn is several billion dollar industry which means there are millions over millions who watch porn and nobody can seriously say they are primed to go out and rape somebody. It takes a specially warped individual prone to violence who will engage in this despicable act, and for them sobriety or lack of internet access is not going to be an impediment.

I hope there is agreement that whatever may be the motivation of the rapist, rape is clearly a violent act of domination over the weak and it leaves the victim permanently scarred. So, it is probably best not to speculate why men rape, let us leave it to the experts, and the experts as of now seem to agree that it is a sort of power play, even in the cases of familial rape, date rape, and these constitute a vast majority of rape cases, statistics show that it is very rare that a woman will get raped by a complete stranger.

 

[sangom]

President Carter admitted openly that he had committed adultery mentally. In other words feeling sexual arousal is not uncommon, but that does not automatically result in going out and satisfying that urge through violence. So, those who place sexual gratification as the reason for rape, or at least a major reason, must still have to answer why most men are able to control these appetites and only the rapists are prepared to take it to the next violent level.

Dear Shri Nara,

I don't think sexual arousal and committing mental adultery are identical. There are, I believe, cultural barriers/checks between these two, imho. Just as there are such cultural "blocks" in the minds od ordinary men between sexual arousal and mental adultery, there are, imo, cultural barriers between committing mental adultery and going out with the intention to rape the first available victim.

Taking the Delhi nirbhaya case, which has been much publicized, the culprits had got drunk and were proceeding in that private bus for "having a nice time" which it seems was their periodical routine just as the haves go to some resort or the other in order to enjoy a nice vacation. It was then that this nirbhaya girl appeared to them - as heaven-sent - and the rest of the story we all know. Most probably those fellows might have gone to some call girl or prostitute known to them if they had not found nirbhaya or someone else on their tour in search of "nice time", I think. As a last resort those fellows might have drunk to the maximum and been knocked out in the stationery bus itself till next evening.

In this whole narration, there is no mention - nor is there any possibility for - power play.

Almost all men who drink don't go out and rape. Almost all those who watch porn don't go out and rape -- porn is several billion dollar industry which means there are millions over millions who watch porn and nobody can seriously say they are primed to go out and rape somebody. It takes a specially warped individual prone to violence who will engage in this despicable act, and for them sobriety or lack of internet access is not going to be an impediment.

Men (and women also I have seen) behave in very different ways after a few drinks. Some start weeping and become stone silent and will not let out words even after coaxing. Some others will start blabbering even after one or two drinks and the prevalence of self-praise or continuously abusing some deep hidden opponent will be one of the themes of such blabbers. Thus, it is not a must that anybody who drinks must go out and rape. But there may be and there are cases where men get induced to engage in rape after drinking, while they may be able to suppress this desire of theirs when they are not under the influence of alcohol. It is childish to postulate that since almost all men who drink don't go out and rape, drinking can never make anyone violate this natural law. Same holds good for the other pseudo-theories you put forward. Perhaps you are intelligent enough to realize it.

Many men may rape if circumstances become favourable just as President Carter admitted to something else, but that does not mean that all such men are specially warped. We have people stealing for a living; do we conclude that all such fellows are specially warped? Again, India has around 60 crores of men and all do not rape. So, can we theorize that Indians will not rape?

I hope there is agreement that whatever may be the motivation of the rapist, rape is clearly a violent act of domination over the weak and it leaves the victim permanently scarred. So, it is probably best not to speculate why men rape, let us leave it to the experts, and the experts as of now seem to agree that it is a sort of power play, even in the cases of familial rape, date rape, and these constitute a vast majority of rape cases, statistics show that it is very rare that a woman will get raped by a complete stranger.

There can be no two opinions on the fact that rape is a criminal act. But you are cleverly coming back to putting the "domination" in a very unnoticed corner so that your side of the theory raises its head again!! So clever of you. What I say is rape is a sexual crime and can be caused by anyone of a host of reasons including the intention to dominate. This is the crucial point of disagreement between the two sides here, I think. Smt. Renuka's post #171 proves my statement.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Shri Nara,

I don't think sexual arousal and committing mental adultery are identical. There are, I believe, cultural barriers/checks between these two, imho. Just as there are such cultural "blocks" in the minds od ordinary men between sexual arousal and mental adultery, there are, imo, cultural barriers between committing mental adultery and going out with the intention to rape the first available victim.

Taking the Delhi nirbhaya case, which has been much publicized, the culprits had got drunk and were proceeding in that private bus for "having a nice time" which it seems was their periodical routine just as the haves go to some resort or the other in order to enjoy a nice vacation. It was then that this nirbhaya girl appeared to them - as heaven-sent - and the rest of the story we all know. Most probably those fellows might have gone to some call girl or prostitute known to them if they had not found nirbhaya or someone else on their tour in search of "nice time", I think. As a last resort those fellows might have drunk to the maximum and been knocked out in the stationery bus itself till next evening.

In this whole narration, there is no mention - nor is there any possibility for - power play.



Men (and women also I have seen) behave in very different ways after a few drinks. Some start weeping and become stone silent and will not let out words even after coaxing. Some others will start blabbering even after one or two drinks and the prevalence of self-praise or continuously abusing some deep hidden opponent will be one of the themes of such blabbers. Thus, it is not a must that anybody who drinks must go out and rape. But there may be and there are cases where men get induced to engage in rape after drinking, while they may be able to suppress this desire of theirs when they are not under the influence of alcohol. It is childish to postulate that since almost all men who drink don't go out and rape, drinking can never make anyone violate this natural law. Same holds good for the other pseudo-theories you put forward. Perhaps you are intelligent enough to realize it.

Many men may rape if circumstances become favourable just as President Carter admitted to something else, but that does not mean that all such men are specially warped. We have people stealing for a living; do we conclude that all such fellows are specially warped? Again, India has around 60 crores of men and all do not rape. So, can we theorize that Indians will not rape?



There can be no two opinions on the fact that rape is a criminal act. But you are cleverly coming back to putting the "domination" in a very unnoticed corner so that your side of the theory raises its head again!! So clever of you. What I say is rape is a sexual crime and can be caused by anyone of a host of reasons including the intention to dominate. This is the crucial point of disagreement between the two sides here, I think. Smt. Renuka's post #171 proves my statement.

Shri Sangom, this is one among many clear and detailed posts of yours and I appreciate it.

So far in my life time, I have come across incidents through my social circle, in which, a girl joining a guy or a group of guy for drinking, becomes a possible victim of Rape.

The guy who attemptes to indulge in Sex with these girls are known to them in some way - directly or as friend's friend, for a long time. These men neither are the criminals with track records of Rape nor are they intended to prove these girls that they are stronger then girls and to control the girls as their Mistress. These guys either premeditate (having yearning to have sex with the girl for a long time) or at the moment get aroused after drinking and attempt to have sex with the girl, who has joined him to have drinks.

It is really amusing to note the statement in post no.173 that, women getting raped by a stranger is very rare.

There are hell lots of cases where the rapist is no way familiar with the victim. The only thing is the rapists would know who the girl is, being a visitor to home as electrician, plumber, gas cylinder supplying guy etc..etc, or as an area guy etc.etc. This does not mean that the rapist and the victim both know each other very much and are not the strangers.


In Nirbhaya's case the rapists and the rape victim were strangers, in Madhya Pradesh couple of rape took place where the rapists and the victims were strangers, in same Madhya Pradesh a group of villagers raped a foreign lady after attacking her husband and all of them were strangers, a foreign lady tourist from London was supposed to be a rape victim (but she escaped) in a hotel in Delhi where the men could know her only as their hotel guest. There are many such cases where there was no close links between the rapists and the rape victims.