Is conversion to hinduism possible for gents?

[biswa]

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Of course KV and Renuka are not the same person. For starters, Renuka is not a Hindu hater and Christian evangelist like KV is.

 

[biswa]

Madam,

Did your husband convert to an Iyengar or did you convert to christian?

Was your marriage performed as per hindu traditions or in a church?

I am just interested to know, no offence meant.

I think Ms. KV is a victim of love jihad. Ooops sorry, meant love crusade!

In earlier posts both she and her husband exposed a remarkable degree of confusion.

One is a Christian pretending to be a Brahmin and the other is a Brahmin pretending to be a Christian. It is hard to figure out who is which.

 

[Vaagmi]

When the ardent, faithful devotees of the mother-of-all-religions set a precedent for others to follow by:
# brutally burning alive an innocent australian missionary with his 2 sons while they were asleep for the reason that he was doing a yeoman service among the lepers in orissa
# demolishing the babri masjid
# by torching numerous churches in gujarat
# killing numerous people in orissa, who show the other face when smitten on one
# by killing numerous missionaries in bihar to the extent that bihar is termed 'burial ground of missionaries'

perhaps some such devotee of the same 'mother-of-all-religions' would have set the same precedent for someone to commit such atrocities in england

1) K.V.: Nammazhwar is a saivite savant. Reality:Nammazhwar is not a saivite.

2)K.V.:Samasrayanam is not accepted by any Iyengar. Reality: Samasrayanam is a ritual praactised by a vast number of iyengars both vadakalai and Thenkalai.

3)K.V.:Isckonites were not permitted inside the Srirangam and Jagannath Temples. Reality: They are freely permitted to go and pray in these temples.

4)K.V.:Christians of one faction practices exclusivism because they came from Hinduism where this is practised. Reality: In England Queen Mary (the notorious Bloody Mary) burned Catholics at stake for professing catholic christianity. None-not the Queen Mary nor the Catholics who were burnt at the stakes came from Hinduism.

5)K.V.: The Australian Missionary was "innocent", he was doing "yeoman" service among the lepers in Orissa. Reality: He was not innocent. He did work among the lepers only as a front. His real activity was proselytization and he went about it recklessly without giving a damn to the sentiments of the local population. (This is not a justification of the burning. only a pointing out of the facts of the case)

6)k.V.: Hindus demolished B. Masjid. Reality: It was dilapidated building where no one did any namaz. It was locked by earlier Government years back-before the demolition. Hindus had the Ram Janmsthan right there in that dilapidated building. There is o equivalency between a janmsthan and a masjid. A prayer hall can be built anywhere. A moghul king had demolished a Ram Temple there and had built the Masjid just to prove that he had muscles. He also made the Hindus pay the Jizia tax-a tax for just being a Hindu in India.

7)K.v.: numerous churches were burnt in Gujarat. Reality: No churches were burnt.

8)K.V.: Numerous people were killed in Orissa. Reality: An innuendo. How many were killed? Where was it reported? Where is the evidence? Perhaps the result of indoctrination during the mass in the church where KV prays to rev up the falling enthusiasm for proselytization.

9)KV: Numerous missionaries were killed in Bihar. Reality: What does this numerous mean? Where is the proof. Bihar has been ruled by the opposition for the last many years and the Central Govt. had a Christian in the helm of affairs. So this is another innuendo. Proof needed.

At this rate KV will earn the distinction of "The Great Innuendo and Lie Master of the Forum" award soon and I may have to open a separate thread to list each and every one of such intentional spreading of misinformation. LOL. (LOL Real)

 

[tks]

Of course KV and Renuka are not the same person. For starters, Renuka is not a Hindu hater and Christian evangelist like KV is.

Body: KV is a guy .. Dr Renu is a woman
Mind: KV propagates lies (Sri Vaagmi has patiently documented), Dr Renu is honest

 

[tks]

I think Ms. KV is a victim of love jihad. Ooops sorry, meant love crusade!

In earlier posts both she and her husband exposed a remarkable degree of confusion.

One is a Christian pretending to be a Brahmin and the other is a Brahmin pretending to be a Christian. It is hard to figure out who is which.

I think it is one man with two Avatars and a story. It is hard to figure out because he forgot sometimes he is playing a she LoL

 

[biswa]

Ahhh, thanks TKS ji for enlightening me!

Ok so we have a Christian ardhanarishvara. No wonder I was confused until now.

 

[Kuvalayavalli]

Madam,

Did your husband convert to an Iyengar or did you convert to christian?

Was your marriage performed as per hindu traditions or in a church?

I am just interested to know, no offence meant.

Dear Mr. Brahmachari,

Although I am far from being offended, I felt your probe seemingly touching boundaries of privacy.

All that anyone needs to know is neither my husband nor I converted. We remain human beings as always. Our marriage was performed as per Indian tradiitions by a priest bonafide and certified by the Government of India.

 

[Kuvalayavalli]

1) K.V.: Nammazhwar is a saivite savant. Reality:Nammazhwar is not a saivite.

2)K.V.:Samasrayanam is not accepted by any Iyengar. Reality: Samasrayanam is a ritual praactised by a vast number of iyengars both vadakalai and Thenkalai.

3)K.V.:Isckonites were not permitted inside the Srirangam and Jagannath Temples. Reality: They are freely permitted to go and pray in these temples.

4)K.V.:Christians of one faction practices exclusivism because they came from Hinduism where this is practised. Reality: In England Queen Mary (the notorious Bloody Mary) burned Catholics at stake for professing catholic christianity. None-not the Queen Mary nor the Catholics who were burnt at the stakes came from Hinduism.

5)K.V.: The Australian Missionary was "innocent", he was doing "yeoman" service among the lepers in Orissa. Reality: He was not innocent. He did work among the lepers only as a front. His real activity was proselytization and he went about it recklessly without giving a damn to the sentiments of the local population. (This is not a justification of the burning. only a pointing out of the facts of the case)

6)k.V.: Hindus demolished B. Masjid. Reality: It was dilapidated building where no one did any namaz. It was locked by earlier Government years back-before the demolition. Hindus had the Ram Janmsthan right there in that dilapidated building. There is o equivalency between a janmsthan and a masjid. A prayer hall can be built anywhere. A moghul king had demolished a Ram Temple there and had built the Masjid just to prove that he had muscles. He also made the Hindus pay the Jizia tax-a tax for just being a Hindu in India.

7)K.v.: numerous churches were burnt in Gujarat. Reality: No churches were burnt.

8)K.V.: Numerous people were killed in Orissa. Reality: An innuendo. How many were killed? Where was it reported? Where is the evidence? Perhaps the result of indoctrination during the mass in the church where KV prays to rev up the falling enthusiasm for proselytization.

9)KV: Numerous missionaries were killed in Bihar. Reality: What does this numerous mean? Where is the proof. Bihar has been ruled by the opposition for the last many years and the Central Govt. had a Christian in the helm of affairs. So this is another innuendo. Proof needed.

At this rate KV will earn the distinction of "The Great Innuendo and Lie Master of the Forum" award soon and I may have to open a separate thread to list each and every one of such intentional spreading of misinformation. LOL. (LOL Real)

Loads and Volumes of Factual Inaccuracies.

 

[Kuvalayavalli]

Ahhh, thanks TKS ji for enlightening me!

Ok so we have a Christian ardhanarishvara. No wonder I was confused until now.

Yet another of one of those numerous invariably incorrect conclusion jumped at. If biswa, vaagmi, tks et al, are perfect examples of who an ideal brahmin should be, I reckon a christian ardhanareeshwara is infinite times better than a brahmin. But thankfully you folks are absolutely not brahmins as per Vyasa's definition in the bagwad gita. You folks best fit the definition of Shudhra in the Bagwad Gita.

Dont't ever imagine I would respond to any of your post in this thread any further. There cannot be a greater disgrace.

 

[Vaagmi]

Good riddance.Thank God. I do not have to suffer blatant lies and inuendos presented with elan any more. I must celebrate this. Lol

 

[tks]

Yet another of one of those numerous invariably incorrect conclusion jumped at. If biswa, vaagmi, tks et al, are perfect examples of who an ideal brahmin should be, I reckon a christian ardhanareeshwara is infinite times better than a brahmin. But thankfully you folks are absolutely not brahmins as per Vyasa's definition in the bagwad gita. You folks best fit the definition of Shudhra in the Bagwad Gita.

Dont't ever imagine I would respond to any of your post in this thread any further. There cannot be a greater disgrace.

Beyond a shadow of reasonable doubt your posts have been shown to lack integrity and the game is called out.
At a human level of interaction in any medium this is not acceptable.

I am actually fine being called a Brahmin or Shudra or whatever. It is not an insult as you think it is.
But I am calling your posts as showing lack of integrity and honesty. You dont have to respond, please think about it.
If you want to be saved, the least you should do is to learn to deal with others with mutual respect in your posts. The first step is to be honest to yourself.

 

[கால பைரவன்]

It is my opinion that caste/casteism predates religion and therefore it might be futile to expect religion to "eradicate" it. Further a religion like Hinduism with no central authority won't be able to exert the kind of influence to bring about this change. How casteism manifests can and will change (we have seen this happening over the past few decades) but this depends on several factors not just religion especially in the case of Hinduism.

 

[biswa]

Dear Mr. Brahmachari,

Although I am far from being offended, I felt your probe seemingly touching boundaries of privacy.

All that anyone needs to know is neither my husband nor I converted. We remain human beings as always. Our marriage was performed as per Indian tradiitions by a priest bonafide and certified by the Government of India.

What kind of priest: Roman Catholic, Pentecostal, Mormon or Iyengar? Which denomination is the source of truth? Why a priest at all, before engaging in the standard human act of cohabitation?

BTW, of course nothing wrong in being a Shudra, even as per BG. People dont get to choose their parents, so no point claiming a birth-based label which you did not earn.

 

[tks]

It is my opinion that caste/casteism predates religion and therefore it might be futile to expect religion to "eradicate" it. Further a religion like Hinduism with no central authority won't be able to exert the kind of influence to bring about this change. How casteism manifests can and will change (we have seen this happening over the past few decades) but this depends on several factors not just religion especially in the case of Hinduism.

Excellent Point .. I even copied to my notes

With one correction .. Casteism is the *result* of outside invasion. My main point being Varna is not caste.
Varna system existed for a long time and had a logical basis. It degenerated into today's Jati and caste madness which has nothing to do with the idea behind Varna based organization.

Religion and teaching adopted Varna words but it cannot fix the human weaknesses to find ways to dominate and subjugate others based on some criteria.

The thing we have to do is not allow translation of Varna to Caste ..

 

[Vaagmi]

Post # 57 by KV:

All that anyone needs to know is neither my husband nor I converted. We remain human beings as always. Our marriage was performed as per Indian tradiitions by a priest bonafide and certified by the Government of India.

That was a clever reply. Is it not? But clever only by half. You did not convert. Yes. You did not convert from being a human being as the very next sentence says. We too believe that it is not a non-human which comes here to post these messages. LOL. Human beings can not convert into non-humans with tails and horns and we know that. A priest bonafide does not mean anything here in the context of the question asked to you. A priest bonafide can be a Catholic Christian, a protestant Christian, or a hindu and might be one certified by GOI. So the answer is just a clever play of words and convey nothing. LOL.

 

[prasad1]

Sarangji's post#4 was to the point, to answer OP.

Conversion is possible, social acceptance is conditional.

 

[prasad1]

Sarangji's post#4 was to the point, to answer OP.

Conversion is possible, social acceptance is conditional.

There are many American who converted to Judaism, but in Israel they are not given the same rights as natural born Jews. Similarly some converted Hindus are subjected to discrimination. It is not right, but there is no legal way to enforce acceptance by Hindu organizations.

 

[tvks]

Hello Renuka Ji,

Maybe I am too small person to comment. But here is my understanding on the gothra.

The Vedas is too big for any single person to be a master. Hence in the olden days, they divided brahmins into each Veda. Again comes the trouble, as how each person cannot spare a minute to look at the stop line in a traffic signal and stop appropriately, educating yourself completely in a single Veda itself was too big and time consuming. Hence gothra's were born. When a brahmin recites his abhivadam he will say many sages names and then his gothram. This shows that those peer sages of that veda and gothra following whom you practise the vedas. Each gothram might have different practises according to the set of vedic scriptures (the sutra he mentions in abhivadham) he follows.

The women have been made flexible because once married she leaves her fathers house (father's gothram) and enter her husband's house (husbands gothram) !!

There are over 30 gothras (to my little knowledge) while your X, Y chromosomes hardly match this count. Please do not compare distinct objects.

Can you tell your grand daddy's name ? Maybe !! But his father ? I doubt. Every brahmin knows the family (gothram) he belongs probably 2000 or more years ago Isn't gothram just great !!!

If not, please skip my writing and go to any other article around !

 

[renuka]

Can you tell your grand daddy's name ? Maybe !! But his father ? I doubt. Every brahmin knows the family (gothram) he belongs probably 2000 or more years ago Isn't gothram just great !!!

If not, please skip my writing and go to any other article around !

Dear Sir,

For your kind information my ancestors have kept a good record of who is who on both sides of my family..there is actually a book handed down from generations and my Great Grand Dads name is also recorded in Msian National ID card of my late grand father.

So I am surprised you are asking me if I know my great grand dads name..Of course I know his and also my great great grand dad's name of both sides and even their ancestors.

So dont assume that anyone might not know their caveman ancestors and their Dinosaurs just becos they do not subscribe to a Gotra system.

BTW do you know the name of your 1st Caveman ancestor that walked this earth..well just say for example if your Gotra is Bharadwaj..I assume you will say that your 1st caveman ancestor was known as Mr Bharadwaj but what about his 1st name? Was he Lakshminarayan Bharadwaj or Pattabhiraman Bharadwaj? Do you know for sure??

So my dear anyone can know their ancestors without the need of a Gothra..one just needs to take the trouble to document it and we have a very efficient National Records Department out here.

BTW since paternity tests were not really available in yesteryears so everyone assumed that their lineage was unbroken..only a DNA can prove that..well that way females had the upper hand..men of the past had no choice but to believe them!LOL

So isnt Gotra great??? Even extra marital liaisons could get absorbed into it?LOL


Gotra is Great Yaar..If not, please skip my writing and go to any other article around !

 

[KRN]

Dalits are the new Brahmins. Under the able leadership of Behenji Kum Mayawatiji the Dalits of Uttar Pradesh have found a voice and been ruling the state for decades intermittently. In other states also͵ dalits have made remarkable progress͵ although a few stray cases of discrimination might exist in certain areas. Personally speaking I wouldn‘t consider anyone except the smokers as untouchable. The smokers of course͵ while at it͵ฯare unapproachable by anyone caring for his health.

 

[sarang]

The great kanshi ram, mayavati's mentor dalits with their numerical advantage will rule India within a decade. Such policies and forecasts never work, and mayavati is forced to beg support of non dalits especially brahmins. Dalits know what is good for them and will prosper if politicians keep away.

Side bit. This month the grandson of the patron saint of dravidian movement married a girl from the same caste in a perumal temple. The media has ignored this uplifting news.

Dalits are the new Brahmins. Under the able leadership of Behenji Kum Mayawatiji the Dalits of Uttar Pradesh have found a voice and been ruling the state for decades intermittently. In other states also͵ dalits have made remarkable progress͵ although a few stray cases of discrimination might exist in certain areas. Personally speaking I wouldn‘t consider anyone except the smokers as untouchable. The smokers of course͵ while at it͵ฯare unapproachable by anyone caring for his health.

 

[KRN]

Hi Sarang
Kanshi Ram was a master at politics. I regret he passed away so quickly. I used to read his interviews for titbits on realpolitic. As for Behenji͵ her problem is a penchant for Jatav caste alone͵ excluding other dalits. You might have noticed͵ in the recent elections the votes that tilted the balance in Modis favour came from the non jatav dalits. Tough lesson for Behenji. Satish Misra is the brahmin face of BSP. I like him.