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There is a feeling that Brahmin community live in isolation particularly in SI which is not desirable in the. Complex and. Competitive world. There also urgent need to erase the feeling or view that Sankaracharya or Andavan swamigal are supporting only Brahmins



What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

If Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, both Iyers and Iyengars, are ready to move closely with NBs
and SCs/STs, it is not possible, as Brahmin-hatred has deep root in Tamil Nadu, due to the
tiresome work of Big River and his associates. The elite NB segment - both BCs/OBCs and SCs/STs may not be willing to integrate, as their interests are taken care of well by both
Central and State Governments, in the form of reservation policy. Further, Tamil Nadu is
basically a BC/MBC dominated State.

Even within the Brahmin community, there are lot of differences between Iyers and
Iyengars. It is only an unholy alliance existing between Iyers and Iyengars to safeguard
from anti-brahmin forces.

Added to this, within the Iyer community, there is a vertical division between the followers
of Kanchi Mutt and Sringeri Mutt.

While Central and State Governments have successfully eliminated Manu's Varnashrama
Dharma, they have invented a new name like BC, OBC, SC and ST on the basis of caste
and provide unlimited benefits under reservation policy. If reservation policy was based on
income criteria, caste system among Hindus might have been totally eliminated long back.

The need of the hour is that Brahmins in SI should join together under a common banner and
agenda, ignoring various formalities and different 'DHAMS' (Advaidham, Vishistadhvaidham and
Dwaidham) for the community's welfare at large. It requires a strong leader from the community.

But, I doubt this will happen.
 
What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

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Chandru ji,

No one loses identity by staying in a mixed neighbourhood.

I am very confident if I were to move into a Zoo I would still remain human!LOL
 
Chandru ji,

No one loses identity by staying in a mixed neighbourhood.

I am very confident if I were to move into a Zoo I would still remain human!LOL



Renukaji,

If you stay outside the animal enclosure in the Zoo, it is perfectly alright. But, if you
permanently stay along with animals, you will be definitely looked differently.

However, the above comment does not have any bearing on the subject of Brahmins in
SI mixing with NBs.
 
However, the above comment does not have any bearing on the subject of Brahmins in
SI mixing with NBs.
May be we can put all the Brahmins in a zoo, Iyers and Iyengars, and they can stay separate and unsullied from the rest of us, LOL ....
 
May be we can put all the Brahmins in a zoo, Iyers and Iyengars, and they can stay separate and unsullied from the rest of us, LOL ....


Good suggestion and the NBs will take care of them, vising Zoo regularly to avoid isolation
between communities.
 
what does brahmins mixing with nonbrahmins mean? we all interact socially in the daytime and then when night falls we retire to our islands, our homes; here we meet relatives and occasional friends; we care little for others, for our poor relations; they are not welcome to our house; we have all become selfish. this is the case with other communities also; but in villages we are clannish, and this is something which has to end.
 
Whenever we TBs, fail we mostly blame fate. Others for every one of their failures will blame brahmins. Even if the zoo keeper hangs out a big board in our enclosure not to harm the insiders, they might still throw stones uttering 'brahmins'. Poor souls might never get out of the ruts. Unfortunately they are never going to realize that the melody is their own making and there are people to stoke them.
 
Renukaji,

If you stay outside the animal enclosure in the Zoo, it is perfectly alright. But, if you
permanently stay along with animals, you will be definitely looked differently.

Dear Chandru,

As far as I know I grew up surrounded by a jungle and my friends were monkeys who used to come and join me for breakfast daily..really I am not lying..one monkey used to sit at the table and join me for breakfast..we would give him biscuits and bananas for breakfast and he would sit and eat quietly.

Well he is dead cos he got shot dead by the trigger friendly cop neighbour who shot the monkey when the monkey was on my house roof..but anyway the monkey remained a monkey till his last breath and I am still very much human.All this happened in 1986.

As long we love and respect anyone we can stay in peace and harmony or just ignore someone if you do not like your neighbour.

I used to hate my neighbour after he shot the monkey so I stopped speaking to him.

This story is relevant cos it shows that if monkeys and humans can have breakfast on the same table..what is so hard for any caste/race/community to co exists??
 
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What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

If Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, both Iyers and Iyengars, are ready to move closely with NBs
and SCs/STs, it is not possible, as Brahmin-hatred has deep root in Tamil Nadu, due to the
tiresome work of Big River and his associates. The elite NB segment - both BCs/OBCs and SCs/STs may not be willing to integrate, as their interests are taken care of well by both
Central and State Governments, in the form of reservation policy. Further, Tamil Nadu is
basically a BC/MBC dominated State.

Even within the Brahmin community, there are lot of differences between Iyers and
Iyengars. It is only an unholy alliance existing between Iyers and Iyengars to safeguard
from anti-brahmin forces.

Added to this, within the Iyer community, there is a vertical division between the followers
of Kanchi Mutt and Sringeri Mutt.

While Central and State Governments have successfully eliminated Manu's Varnashrama
Dharma, they have invented a new name like BC, OBC, SC and ST on the basis of caste
and provide unlimited benefits under reservation policy. If reservation policy was based on
income criteria, caste system among Hindus might have been totally eliminated long back.

The need of the hour is that Brahmins in SI should join together under a common banner and
agenda, ignoring various formalities and different 'DHAMS' (Advaidham, Vishistadhvaidham and
Dwaidham) for the community's welfare at large. It requires a strong leader from the community.

But, I doubt this will happen.[/o
relative isolation of SI brahmins is on account of lopsdied reservation policy and reverse discrimination against brahmins they will continue to isolate themselves from others until it is worthwhile for them materially and there is an incentive for integraion It will requir e a revisitiing of the reservation policy and a new order based on meritocracy . may not take place in near future.our restless youth will bring about changes as dehi aap has shown and caste based poitics will be blown away sooner than many imagine
 
What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

If Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, both Iyers and Iyengars, are ready to move closely with NBs
and SCs/STs, it is not possible, as Brahmin-hatred has deep root in Tamil Nadu, due to the
tiresome work of Big River and his associates. The elite NB segment - both BCs/OBCs and SCs/STs may not be willing to integrate, as their interests are taken care of well by both
Central and State Governments, in the form of reservation policy. Further, Tamil Nadu is
basically a BC/MBC dominated State.

Even within the Brahmin community, there are lot of differences between Iyers and
Iyengars. It is only an unholy alliance existing between Iyers and Iyengars to safeguard
from anti-brahmin forces.

Added to this, within the Iyer community, there is a vertical division between the followers
of Kanchi Mutt and Sringeri Mutt.

While Central and State Governments have successfully eliminated Manu's Varnashrama
Dharma, they have invented a new name like BC, OBC, SC and ST on the basis of caste
and provide unlimited benefits under reservation policy. If reservation policy was based on
income criteria, caste system among Hindus might have been totally eliminated long back.

The need of the hour is that Brahmins in SI should join together under a common banner and
agenda, ignoring various formalities and different 'DHAMS' (Advaidham, Vishistadhvaidham and
Dwaidham) for the community's welfare at large. It requires a strong leader from the community.

But, I doubt this will happen.[/o
relative isolation of SI brahmins is on account of lopsdied reservation policy and reverse discrimination against brahmins they will continue to isolate themselves from others until it is worthwhile for them materially and there is an incentive for integraion It will requir e a revisitiing of the reservation policy and a new order based on meritocracy . may not take place in near future.our restless youth will bring about changes as dehi aap has shown and caste based poitics will be blown away sooner than many imagine




Delhi is a different city. It is Cosmopolitan. Since Congress ruled continuously for three terms,
anti-incumbency was very well spread. AAP capitalized the Anna Hazare appeal and some bad
incidents. BJP on its part helped AAP by announcing its CM candidate rather late.

Tamil Nadu is not Delhi. Anti-Brahminism is deep rooted; both with affluent and non-affluent
NBs. Both the categories think that all problems they face are due to Brahmins. Such a mindset
was created by Big River. Big River used to conduct his meetings predominently in Brahmin dominated area during my school/college days in my native place. There were no protests.

Now,most of the NB communities are covered under BC/MBC/OC. Only few are in FC. Some NB castes find place in FC/BC & OBC etc.

One of my bosses, who was an NB and belonged to FC, cleverly changed it to BC thru political
circles. He used to abuse Brahmins openly. This has happened in a PSU. What I observe in
my 2 1/2 of decades of service in PSU is that anti-Brahmin feelings is gaining momentum. NBs
are ready to move freely with Brahmin girls/women but not with boys/men. This can be seen
in Politics, Cinema, Officialdom etc.

Nowadays, there are no Agraharams in Chennai. People are living in Flats. Hence, isolation is
not possible. In my apartment, 50% belongs to NB category. Educated NBs have a feeling that
Brahmins are not dependable.

Even if Brahmins are ready to mingle with NBs, I don't think NBs will reciprocate equally.

Brahmins must use the Social Media effectively to exchange ideas and come forward to help
the needy; but at the same time maintain cordiality with NBs, even if they are not reciprocating
properly.
 
We need to have continuous dialogs with other communities..As a community how many of us are ready for the physical toil to build relations with other communities..That is very important if we are to be recognised in the social canvas!

May of us are of the type "Nee undu Un Velai Undu" type...We need to come out of that mentality

I was in a flight from Chennai to Delhi 2 days back..I found lot of Tambrahms moving away from the elite Hindu and carrying Dinakaran, Daily Thanthi, Tamil Hindu daily...It is a good beginning...Being strong in the local language will help

We need to work with other communities in the political arena too to make a significant impact..
 
What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

If Brahmins in Tamil Nadu, both Iyers and Iyengars, are ready to move closely with NBs
and SCs/STs, it is not possible, as Brahmin-hatred has deep root in Tamil Nadu, due to the
tiresome work of Big River and his associates. The elite NB segment - both BCs/OBCs and SCs/STs may not be willing to integrate, as their interests are taken care of well by both
Central and State Governments, in the form of reservation policy. Further, Tamil Nadu is
basically a BC/MBC dominated State.

Even within the Brahmin community, there are lot of differences between Iyers and
Iyengars. It is only an unholy alliance existing between Iyers and Iyengars to safeguard
from anti-brahmin forces.

Added to this, within the Iyer community, there is a vertical division between the followers
of Kanchi Mutt and Sringeri Mutt.

While Central and State Governments have successfully eliminated Manu's Varnashrama
Dharma, they have invented a new name like BC, OBC, SC and ST on the basis of caste
and provide unlimited benefits under reservation policy. If reservation policy was based on
income criteria, caste system among Hindus might have been totally eliminated long back.

The need of the hour is that Brahmins in SI should join together under a common banner and
agenda, ignoring various formalities and different 'DHAMS' (Advaidham, Vishistadhvaidham and
Dwaidham) for the community's welfare at large. It requires a strong leader from the community.

But, I doubt this will happen.[/o
relative isolation of SI brahmins is on account of lopsdied reservation policy and reverse discrimination against brahmins they will continue to isolate themselves from others until it is worthwhile for them materially and there is an incentive for integraion It will requir e a revisitiing of the reservation policy and a new order based on meritocracy . may not take place in near future.our restless youth will bring about changes as dehi aap has shown and caste based poitics will be blown away sooner than many imagine

The reason for the TN bram's downfall cannot solely be laid at Big River's feet. My friends say Brahmins in Karnataka are well integrated with the rest, and Palakkad iyers are not doing too bad either. Maybe Brahmins in TN ought to introspect, and maybe even move on if they feel the persecution is out of hand. No point staying on in TN and resorting to hollow rants which will only deepen hatred in society against them. Whenever I visit Chennai, I speak with people and find that the hatred is not latent, it is in fact alive and well.

Are Brahmins in TN so inept as to not find opportunities elsewhere, and why should they resign themselves to an imaginary sorry plight and hang on in TN by the skin of their teeth?
 
Dear reader
There is a feeling that Brahmin community live in isolation particularly in SI which is not desirable in the. Complex and. Competitive world. There also urgent need to erase the feeling or view that Sankaracharya or Andavan swamigal are supporting only Brahmins

We have all learnt the fable of a father and son who wanted to sell their old donkey, and how they ended by listening to other's views. I don't know whether the "feeling" referred to above is of the OP alone or someone else's also. In any case, brahmin community, in my view, is living with a really healthy mix of privacy plus rapport with all the other communities. There may be individual exceptions of people who prefer isolation or some who go "out of the way" to mix with all other communities etc.

Shankaracharya of Shringeri does not support brahmins; brahmins predominantly form the sishyas of the said Shankaracharya and other communities have their own spiritual gurus or godmen whom they revere. What has this arrangement to do with a "complex and competitive world"? I don't understand! :)
 
I actually find it hard to believe that Non Brahmin Tamilians are Anti Tamil Brahmin.

Tamil Nadu is a place where they literally worship movie stars whom are not even Tamilian by birth.

Don't Tamilians love the Superstar Rajinikanth who is a Marathi?

Is it becos Rajini loves them too and values and honour his Tamilian fans..even when he received the award recently he mentioned his gratitude to TN and to the people for his success.

I am not blaming any TB here but could it be some of you guys did not really want to blend in and so people withdrew from being friends with you guys?

Frankly speaking even after being a member for so long here in Forum..I still do have some "fear" of Tamil Brahmins..dont ask me what "fear" but there is some "fear" ..so when people avoid someone its not becos of hatred ..sometimes it could be just some amount of uneasiness.

But I have never ever even once felt this "fear" with any other Brahmin from North India right up to the state before Tamil Nadu.

Wonder why??
 
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I actually find it hard to believe that Non Brahmin Tamilians are Anti Tamil Brahmin.

Tamil Nadu is a place where they literally worship movie stars whom are not even Tamilian by birth.

Don't Tamilians love the Superstar Rajinikanth who is a Marathi?

Is it becos Rajini loves them too and values and honour his Tamilian fans..even when he received the award recently he mentioned his gratitude to TN and to the people for his success.

I am not blaming any TB here but could it be some of you guys did not really want to blend in and so people withdrew from being friends with you guys?

Frankly speaking even after being a member for so long here in Forum..I still do have some "fear" of Tamil Brahmins..dont ask me what "fear" but there is some "fear" ..so when people avoid someone its not becos of hatred ..sometimes it could be just some amount of uneasiness.

But I have never ever even once felt this "fear" with any other Brahmin from North India right up to the state before Tamil Nadu.

Wonder why??
Rji I also felt uncomfortable [ fear] with TN brahmins It is due to their prolonged isolation from others due to dravidian movement. they are the hunted and the haunted.they do not communicate properly with others NB specially
 
Rji I also felt uncomfortable [ fear] with TN brahmins It is due to their prolonged isolation from others due to dravidian movement. they are the hunted and the haunted.they do not communicate properly with others NB specially


Dear Krish ji,

I have not much contact with TN Tamil Brahmins..but I am talking about TBs from Msia itself the Msian citizens....its not easy being friends with some of them. ...the Dravidian movement does not extend here in Msia so there is no excuse for Dravidian movement here.

Somehow it always remains a superficial friendship which lacks trust...but some of my best of friends are Brahmins from other communities which have remained good friends till now.

I remember once a TB lady from Msia came to my mums house for a bhajan and when she got to know that my mum is a Nortie she tried to talk in Hindi to my mum and started talking to my mum about Aryan and Dravidian races and how she is Aryan like a Nortie!LOL

My mum quickly stopped talking in Hindi and started talking in Tamil to the TB lady and the TB lady was wondering why??

That lady never came back to my mums house..I guess her Aryan Dravidian divide did not work out!LOL

You see she could have remained a friend to the family if she did not start off about the Aryan links and wanted to have the Nortie feel...that just did not sound too proper in this time and age.
 
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What do you want? Do you want Brahmins in SI to integrate with NBs and lose their identity
completely?

Even within the Brahmin community, there are lot of differences between Iyers and
Iyengars. It is only an unholy alliance existing between Iyers and Iyengars to safeguard
from anti-brahmin forces.

Not only that, there are lot of Brahmins who are "sad" and un-proud of their lineage and turned "Rationalists" . Happy for them since it helps us reaffirm and reestablish our core values.

Leave out Tamil Nadu, even in TamilBrahmins.com , this site, we have so much animosity(healthy though) . LOL.

I still would like to be known as a Hindu first, than a Brahmin, since Hinduism is bigger than Brahminism.
 
And Congress has played its part here too. TN overthrew them thinking they are a Brahmin party and now they show the finger to the whole India and Hinduism.
 
Rji , their thinking goes like this.TBs are branded as aryans from north by dravidian parties and kept out of power structure and discriminated against so when they meet a northie they try to identify with them. and talk intheir language . when rebuffed, she could not reconcile to it. she has an identity crisis. not wanted in her own land either in north or south
 
Rji , their thinking goes like this.TBs are branded as aryans from north by dravidian parties and kept out of power structure and discriminated against so when they meet a northie they try to identify with them. and talk intheir language . when rebuffed, she could not reconcile to it. she has an identity crisis. not wanted in her own land either in north or south

Krish ji,

May be you have a point but at the same time the Aryan theory was not created by the Dravidian party alone..I think Indians somehow love that theory and a good number of TBs also do like to believe in it.

Anyway you see what I mean...she missed out a chance to be friends with us.. if she only knew we do not divide and rule and did not want to see anyone as Aryan or Dravidian...after all it was a bhajan where everyone came to pray and not try to claim similar DNA of the Aryan kind.


I still remember her singing some Carnatic songs at the bhajan she attended...good singer no doubt.What to do?? Who is to blame here??
 
I think there is a misunderstanding here. I do not think that the brahmins are living in an isolated way. Since their culture emphasizes universal and timeless values their culture is something that is a whole of all that is there and so I think they are in a better position to understand and empathize with others. It is every other group that is living in its own world. If brahmins seem to be isolated it is because it is the others doing and not vice versa.
 
Krish ji,

May be you have a point but at the same time the Aryan theory was not created by the Dravidian party alone..I think Indians somehow love that theory and a good number of TBs also do like to believe in it.

Anyway you see what I mean...she missed out a chance to be friends with us.. if she only knew we do not divide and rule and did not want to see anyone as Aryan or Dravidian...after all it was a bhajan where everyone came to pray and not try to claim similar DNA of the Aryan kind.


I still remember her singing some Carnatic songs at the bhajan she attended...good singer no doubt.What to do?? Who is to blame here??
aryan theory ie aryans coming in waves over the centuries from central asia to inhabit the central gangetic plains and drifting down south was the work of a british historian .brahmins got classifi ed as aryans by thE dravidian movement and became hate figures in tamilnadu. sravsji or nara ji may tell you more about this
 
Rajiv Malhotra provides some good insights as to why the Aryan Invasion theory was a fake and virtual one , in his Breaking India book.
 
Rajiv Malhotra provides some good insights as to why the Aryan Invasion theory was a fake and virtual one , in his Breaking India book.

Frankly speaking it does not really matter even if the theory is true.The most important fact remains that no matter who we are..we should not divide and rule if we plan to stay in the same state and nation and no one should be made to feel higher or lesser than another person....sadly Indians of any caste can never see eye to eye on this.
 
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