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mkrishna100 said:
I am neither a die hard fan of AAP nor a die hard critic of them .I know AAP Cant deliver on most of their promises in the next 6 months as most of them require a long time to implement and no one knows how longtheir party will last .I feel people have not voted for AAP keeping Kewjriwal in mind but people have voted for AAP as AAP was the party that had people and candidates with whom you could identify with like your next door middle class neighbor . The success of AAP does not lie with Kejriwal and the AAP team but it depends upon how far the common people of Delhi ( from all walks of life ) and at other places willing to co-operate with this new experiment of taking direct responsibility in the Governance of their city . So people should also be prepared for sacrifice to keep this movement alive . Right now even Arvind Kejriwal does not know how far his Government will last and how far it can be carried to other parts of India but one thing is for sure i.e he has given shivers to established parties for the first time .How far this shiver will last no one knows and how far AAP Movement will last also no one knows . But the fat cats from BJP/COngress will not keep quite for long and will do their best to discredit this movement and we are in for lot of drama on TV . The next 6 months will be very volatile and interesting .
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In delhi it was just anti congress vote. every section of population got antagonised. Poor because of high prices ,corruption,women and senior citizen because of security and law and order,youth hurt with 4 Year graduation and lack of seat reservation for delhi youth in colleges,obscene indulgence by politicians. Many educated who did not like Bjp voted AAp instead of NOTA. youth and urban poor totally identified.directly by working for the party. Some senior citizens joined to keep themselves occupied.
As for cooperating of delhi citizen with Aap ,nkrishna ji -you do not understand the delhi citizen. They will go back to the state of near apathy with politics. They will wait for next entertainment - may be a cricket match or a good film.or wait for an event to take to the streets political or otherwise.
Only AAP has given delhi a choice. BJP more than congress has to shiver. let us see who brings it down. Media can be sure to get a lot to cover and we shall be duly entertained
 
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When it comes to outside Delhi AAP will smartly choose only those constituencies that have Delhi like characteristics i.e Urban cities of India ( Chennai , Mumbai , Bangalore , Kolkatta and other premier Tier-2 cities ) and will also focus on contesting in places where key Big Wigs like Rahul , Sonia , Narender Modi etc contest . AAP knows they will not win in most of these places but will create lot of nuisance to established political parties and they very fact they gave a good fight itself is a victory for them . We all know few years back a Party of IITians named LokParitran came and they contested in select Urban areas in TN in the TN Assembly elections of 2006 and while they did not win any seats they did got lot of media coverage but subsequently the entire movement /party collapsed . I hope AAP does not go the LokParitran way .
One of my fears with regard to Kejriwal is that he is too idealistic and wants results too quickly and if it does not work he quits that place and starts one more movement and tries the same to only quit again and start another .I hope his AAP experiment does not end that way .
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While the educated feel that AAp will concentrate on urban centres ,Yogendra yadav of AAp has more faith in rural areas of BIMARU states. What they will do is anybodys guess . of course AAP will take on the bigwigs . AAP concentrated in political capital and tasted success.similar parties in states have to get a regional issue and appeal to capture the imagination of people. Ak has the character trait to move on to something else after sometime, He has a restless soul. he loses interest in causes after sometime .
 
kunjuppu said:
sorry it it gave the wrong impression.

let me tell you the fact. RSS cadres in the southern districts come from nadars gounders thevars mostly. these among other mid castes are structurally anti dalit for various reasons beyond the scope of this post. hence RSS is viewed by dalits as against them. that is all.

i dont think there is any dispute among folks here that there is a big caste fight in tamil nadu, with dalits on one side, vanniars and all the middle castes ranged against them. due mostly due to upward mobility of the dalits due to govt help. also due to nrega policy dalit men find it better to do public works for 100 days than be part time labourers in the fields owned by mid castes. shame that sarang does not know all this, and jumps to epithets against me. personal hatred will only come to haunt him and his progeny. watchout.

sarang also needs to mind his manners and language. he can ask for clarifications instead of jumping to foolish conclusions. he will be punished and haunted for generations for being an a^%&(&(&*^e
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Traditionally Dalits along with adivasis and tribals have been part of congress vote bank. in other parts of the country. I think with decline of congress in TN, dalits may not go near BJP as you say because of their proximity to mid castes.they have their own outfits and they try to get some seats by hanging on to some dravidian party like muslims do. MNREGA and such schemes might have improved their lot . religeous conversions to muslim and christian is another hope for them.
RSS is an interesting outfit. The initial founders believed in caste system and many brahmins were attracted to them. They propagated a hindutva slogan to stop appeasement of minorities. later their outfit incorporated the midcastes to get votes. dalit was nowhere in their calculations . Brahmins got attracted to them as they were their best hope after congress decline. They got their support when a Kanchi godman was illtreated . They supported their temple initiatives.RSS only supported the midcastes as they were the dominant community and the midcastes are fighting the dalits for their own reasons. For this if RSS can be called anti dalits ,then well they are
 
kunjuppu said:
dear vgane,

pls read what i wrote carefully. if in doubt pls ask me for clarifications and pls do not associate yourself with folks whom santhanam would 'களிமண்டு மூதேவி '. you know i try to be logical and if not coherent, pls do me a favour and ask for clarifications. atleast i can explain myself.

the said guy sarang is a kunjuppu hater from day one. he used to stalk me and folks like him are best consigned to the சாக்கடைஸ் like cooum, which compared to what he has, is 100 times more fragrant.

sarang has a long history of hating and those type of guys are best taught their lessons with விறகுகட்டை than with cogent words. he also has a couple of jalra guys with the same hatred. what they hate, will come back to them and their children. it is not nice for one's soul be like that. such epitome of evil!!

ps.. i agree with you that the sangh is not anti dalit. but the complexities of caste in tamil nadu makes the upward mobility of dalits difficult. because it has cohesed the jealousies of almost all the NB communities. as tambrams we can sort of understand it. and these mid castes are now accusing the brahmin press (read vikatan hindu dinamalar) of supporting the dalits and letting loose another vitriol against the community.

for the common tambram it is between a hard place and a rock, because through no fault of his own, bad things are written about him. the RSS leaders in the north would welcome increased membership here, without knowing what the real nature of the followers are.

there is nothing worse than someone following you for the wrong reasons. lots of things to think ruminate and evaluate. meanwhile the muslims are playing their naradhar role. lots of undercurrents underneath the veneer of 'peaceful' tamil nadu. law and order. and more. all issues. being passed on to the next generation.

all in all, i think, the best hope for a peaceful india in the next 20 years, is mad mad mad economic growth of 15% per annum and more. folks will be sooooo busy working and prospering, that everyone will forget the internal quarrels and jealousies and divisions. maybe modi will make this happen.
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high growth model with doles for social sector initiatives has its pitfalls. The rich-middle class -poor gaps are widening. since poor are getting the doles ,many are not prepared to work for a living and happy to live off the govt. we are promoting a class of beggars. also they would like to have all the consumer durables middle class have without working or it. they are taking to crime to get what they want. Middle class are following the rich buying multiple high end cars with fancy labels,luxury high price flats besides holidaying in exotic locations abroad every year. As a middle class man I am guilty of many of these excesses.I have visited many countries in two years besides collecting a Toyota as a second car. rich have grown enormously rich collecting huge bank credits to promote so called growth and not return them making them NPAs There is something seriously wrong with the policy of export led high growth and tricke down theory of economics of india. Manmohanomics has failed.When our finance minister P.mukerji said 80s model was ok,with hindu rate of 5 percent growth for india ,and indians were not eating lizards then no one took notice of him There is a need for imperative change to increase national happiness and reduce general discontent.
Of course . I have no love for reservation politics either. I would not like to stay in Tamil nadu under any circumstances. It is no place for a person with a liberal mindset
 
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ayyo pavame.

kunjuppu said:
dear vgane,

pls read what i wrote carefully. if in doubt pls ask me for clarifications and pls do not associate yourself with folks whom santhanam would 'களிமண்டு மூதேவி '. you know i try to be logical and if not coherent, pls do me a favour and ask for clarifications. atleast i can explain myself.

the said guy sarang is a kunjuppu hater from day one. he used to stalk me and folks like him are best consigned to the சாக்கடைஸ் like cooum, which compared to what he has, is 100 times more fragrant.

sarang has a long history of hating and those type of guys are best taught their lessons with விறகுகட்டை than with cogent words. he also has a couple of jalra guys with the same hatred. what they hate, will come back to them and their children. it is not nice for one's soul be like that. such epitome of evil!!

ps.. i agree with you that the sangh is not anti dalit. but the complexities of caste in tamil nadu makes the upward mobility of dalits difficult. because it has cohesed the jealousies of almost all the NB communities. as tambrams we can sort of understand it. and these mid castes are now accusing the brahmin press (read vikatan hindu dinamalar) of supporting the dalits and letting loose another vitriol against the community.

for the common tambram it is between a hard place and a rock, because through no fault of his own, bad things are written about him. the RSS leaders in the north would welcome increased membership here, without knowing what the real nature of the followers are.

there is nothing worse than someone following you for the wrong reasons. lots of things to think ruminate and evaluate. meanwhile the muslims are playing their naradhar role. lots of undercurrents underneath the veneer of 'peaceful' tamil nadu. law and order. and more. all issues. being passed on to the next generation.

all in all, i think, the best hope for a peaceful india in the next 20 years, is mad mad mad economic growth of 15% per annum and more. folks will be sooooo busy working and prospering, that everyone will forget the internal quarrels and jealousies and divisions. maybe modi will make this happen.
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kunjuppu said:
dear vgane,

pls read what i wrote carefully. if in doubt pls ask me for clarifications and pls do not associate yourself with folks whom santhanam would 'களிமண்டு மூதேவி '. you know i try to be logical and if not coherent, pls do me a favour and ask for clarifications. atleast i can explain myself.

the said guy sarang is a kunjuppu hater from day one. he used to stalk me and folks like him are best consigned to the சாக்கடைஸ் like cooum, which compared to what he has, is 100 times more fragrant.

sarang has a long history of hating and those type of guys are best taught their lessons with விறகுகட்டை than with cogent words. he also has a couple of jalra guys with the same hatred. what they hate, will come back to them and their children. it is not nice for one's soul be like that. such epitome of evil!!

ps.. i agree with you that the sangh is not anti dalit. but the complexities of caste in tamil nadu makes the upward mobility of dalits difficult. because it has cohesed the jealousies of almost all the NB communities. as tambrams we can sort of understand it. and these mid castes are now accusing the brahmin press (read vikatan hindu dinamalar) of supporting the dalits and letting loose another vitriol against the community.

for the common tambram it is between a hard place and a rock, because through no fault of his own, bad things are written about him. the RSS leaders in the north would welcome increased membership here, without knowing what the real nature of the followers are.

there is nothing worse than someone following you for the wrong reasons. lots of things to think ruminate and evaluate. meanwhile the muslims are playing their naradhar role. lots of undercurrents underneath the veneer of 'peaceful' tamil nadu. law and order. and more. all issues. being passed on to the next generation.

all in all, i think, the best hope for a peaceful india in the next 20 years, is mad mad mad economic growth of 15% per annum and more. folks will be sooooo busy working and prospering, that everyone will forget the internal quarrels and jealousies and divisions. maybe modi will make this happen.
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Kunjuppu,

I have lived in Tamil Nadu during my initial years ..I know what it is to be a Brahmin in TN...

In the 80's when Brahmins were belittled in all the walls of Tamil Nadu, no one came to their rescue except the RSS..Congress & Communists were only speaking from public podiums and media conferences without any action

I lived in Chennai..In my house someone wrote "Parpaan Ozhiga"....

The RSS shaka was started next to my house

It created pride amongst the Brahmins

The fear that was there gave way to hope..At least there is one party that is helping the Brahmins out of trouble

So naturally, I salute the RSS for what it did to the Brahmins in Tamil Nadu

Today, the growth of RSS in Tamil Nadu is surely on account of the Muslim growth

Please go to Coimbatore to understand!
 
dear vgane,

re your post #132, i think the issue was whether RSS was anti dalit. i think we both agree, per its constitution it is not. that is all.

also, the composition of its castes in central and southern tamil nadu, ie mid castes, who are basically anti dalits, and that too violently, makes it a de facto anti dalit organization, even though it is not intended to be such.

i used to follow the blogs/FB pages of a few of those guys. it was so frightening to read, that i quit following them. lot of scary stuff. there is a constant (s)word play/duel between many such groups and all in all, makes me think of a peaceful india, a mirage. or even worse a dream. i only wish for prosperity for india and that too across all communities. otherwise we are passing potential disturbing issues to the next generation.
 
kunjuppu said:
....these casteist parties are now the backbone of RSS and have announced themselves aligned with BJP. the national unit would do good to avoid these folks... all rich gounders, with tons of money to spend, and an agenda of their own. pls read the readers' comments at the end of the article.
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In an earlier era the progressive leaders, including some Brahmins, formed an alliance of non-brahmins against the Brahmin power structure. After many decades of their politics, Brahmins are marginalized in political arena -- though they still wield significant economic power and enormous social power.

Those enlightened leaders had tremendous influence and therefore their message continues to resonate among common people. However, the leaders who came after them have messed things up. Now the dominant castes and Brahmins are looking for a come back by forming an alliance against the Dalits and progressives, in a kind of let-us-unite-as-ND-agaist-D slogan.

Fortunately, these leaders have no vision except narrow casteism, and therefore, have no grand coalition beyond their own caste interests. Such an amalgamation of narrow interests will fail.
 
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Dear Kunjuppu,


kunjuppu said:
let me tell you the fact. RSS cadres in the southern districts come from nadars gounders thevars mostly. these among other mid castes are structurally anti dalit for various reasons beyond the scope of this post. hence RSS is viewed by dalits as against them. that is all.
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A majority of dalits are either converts to Christianity or are sympathetic to that religion. So they have no place for RSS in their minds. You have left out this fact in your understanding.

he will be punished and haunted for generations for being an a^%&(&(&*^e
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That was a burst from an AK-47. LOL.
 
Nara said:
In an earlier era the progressive leaders, including some Brahmins, formed an alliance of non-brahmins against the Brahmin power structure. After many decades of their politics, Brahmins are marginalized in political arena -- though they still wield significant economic power and enormous social power.

Those enlightened leaders had tremendous influence and therefore their message continues to resonate among common people. However, the leaders who came after them have messed things up. Now the dominant castes and Brahmins are looking for a come back by forming an alliance against the Dalits and progressives, in a kind of let-us-unite-as-ND-agaist-D slogan.

Fortunately, these leaders have no vision except narrow casteism, and therefore, have no grand coalition beyond their own caste interests. Such an amalgamation of narrow interests will fail.
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The present answer to the casteist politics of midcastes is coalition of brahmins with dalits and muslims etc. This is what is realisable today. For an alternative of a party with non identity politics such as AAP to emerge it will take time . dravidian politics has held sway for 60 plus years. it is difficult to do away with them just like that
 
Nara said:
In an earlier era the progressive leaders, including some Brahmins, formed an alliance of non-brahmins against the Brahmin power structure. After many decades of their politics, Brahmins are marginalized in political arena -- though they still wield significant economic power and enormous social power.

Those enlightened leaders had tremendous influence and therefore their message continues to resonate among common people. However, the leaders who came after them have messed things up. Now the dominant castes and Brahmins are looking for a come back by forming an alliance against the Dalits and progressives, in a kind of let-us-unite-as-ND-agaist-D slogan.

Fortunately, these leaders have no vision except narrow casteism, and therefore, have no grand coalition beyond their own caste interests. Such an amalgamation of narrow interests will fail.
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Naraji news for today AAP will contest lok sabha seats in Tamilnadu. They have contacted Udayakumar, the anti nuclear activist for a seat . enlightened civl servants like ex cabinet secy. subramaniam,ex election commissioner seshanji . mediamen,filmstars can gravitate towards the party. brahmins can get an alternative along with dalits and other disadvantaged sections
 
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krish44 said:
Naraji news for today AAP will contest lok sabha seats in Tamilnadu. They have contacted Udayakumar, the anti nuclear activist for a seat . enlightened civl servants like ex cabinet secy. subramaniam,ex election commissioner seshanji . mediamen,filmstars can gravitate towards the party. brahmins can get an alternative along with dalits and other disadvantaged sections
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Krish,

Ex Infosys Board member V.Balakrishnan has joined AAP today...It is a big fish for AAP and it will help it to get the necessary bytes in Karnataka...
 
vgane said:
Krish,

Ex Infosys Board member V.Balakrishnan has joined AAP today...It is a big fish for AAP and it will help it to get the necessary bytes in Karnataka...
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to truly grow, AAP does not need big fish. these over time, are more a bane on the party and its principles. what it needs a millions of little fish - grassroots support. i think so.
 
In Tamil nadu, the brand of politics followed by Dravidian parties has always been casteist with the mid-castes forming the bulwark of both DMK and ADMK. The term "mid-castes" only meant that it excluded both Brahmins and Dalits. But there are a whole gamut of castes within this "mid-caste" category and what some see as political turmoil now is just an extension of Dravidian politics - only that some other mid-castes that missed out on the first wave are trying to capture a dominant role now. It is funny to see the dravidianist apologists crying hoarse now for the brand of politics that castes such as vanniyars and nadars are taking on is along the same lines espoused by the Dravidian parties themselves.

I also notice a dichotomy of thought among the modern self-styled seculars. They consider themselves beyond sectarian divisions such as caste, religion etc yet they cannot help support the cause of people belonging to a particular caste or religion if they consider them to be "underdogs". This means they have no problem with casteist outfits such as the viduthalai chiruthai katchi or religious outfits such as the muslim league but they have problems with a vanniyar katchi or the hindu munnani. This may make sense to them but will certainly appear highly hypocritical to a marginalized vanniyar or a marginalized hindu who may find succor with their respective groups.
 
கால பைரவன்;222802 said:
In Tamil nadu, the brand of politics followed by Dravidian parties has always been casteist with the mid-castes forming the bulwark of both DMK and ADMK. The term "mid-castes" only meant that it excluded both Brahmins and Dalits. But there are a whole gamut of castes within this "mid-caste" category and what some see as political turmoil now is just an extension of Dravidian politics - only that some other mid-castes that missed out on the first wave are trying to capture a dominant role now. It is funny to see the dravidianist apologists crying hoarse now for the brand of politics that castes such as vanniyars and nadars are taking on is along the same lines espoused by the Dravidian parties themselves.

I also notice a dichotomy of thought among the modern self-styled seculars. They consider themselves beyond sectarian divisions such as caste, religion etc yet they cannot help support the cause of people belonging to a particular caste or religion if they consider them to be "underdogs". This means they have no problem with casteist outfits such as the viduthalai chiruthai katchi or religious outfits such as the muslim league but they have problems with a vanniyar katchi or the hindu munnani. This may make sense to them but will certainly appear highly hypocritical to a marginalized vanniyar or a marginalized hindu who may find succor with their respective groups.
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with certain qualifications i agree. the entire leftist and minority muslim press of tamil nadu was silent on the recent assault on a mudaliar girl in karaikal. only gnani had the decency atleast to comment on it. but not kavin malar or her cohorts. the muslim dmk mla accused the victim of enticing the rape. such is the mentality of these folks.

i find it best to keep away from these.

for the mid castes, any philosophy based on hate is bund to hit back. the great river, much as what he advocated in reforms made sense, he specialized in filthy abusive words agains paarppans. now the same is used among the various communities themselves.

interesting new development is the hatred towards naickers naidus as telugu kannada vandheRis (favourite term to refer to brahmins in earlier days). just go to facebook and look for தமிழர் அரசு through this link. the intensity is frightening. there are also FB threads belonging to pallars, gounders, all throwing rocks at each other.

the strange thing is all of these communities claim lineage to chera chola pandyas. :)
 
vgane said:
Krish,

Ex Infosys Board member V.Balakrishnan has joined AAP today...It is a big fish for AAP and it will help it to get the necessary bytes in Karnataka...
I do not know about the bytes .definitely some finance to fight elections from these bigwigs. he might be a liability than an asset for a a party with pro poor agenda
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kunjuppu said:
with certain qualifications i agree. the entire leftist and minority muslim press of tamil nadu was silent on the recent assault on a mudaliar girl in karaikal. only gnani had the decency atleast to comment on it. but not kavin malar or her cohorts. the muslim dmk mla accused the victim of enticing the rape. such is the mentality of these folks.

i find it best to keep away from these.

for the mid castes, any philosophy based on hate is bund to hit back. the great river, much as what he advocated in reforms made sense, he specialized in filthy abusive words agains paarppans. now the same is used among the various communities themselves.

interesting new development is the hatred towards naickers naidus as telugu kannada vandheRis (favourite term to refer to brahmins in earlier days). just go to facebook and look for தமிழர் அரசு through this link. the intensity is frightening. there are also FB threads belonging to pallars, gounders, all throwing rocks at each other.

the strange thing is all of these communities claim lineage to chera chola pandyas. :)
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The hatred against teluguss/kannada naickers etc is because DMDK headed by a telugu film star taking away their votes from the others. Dalits and muslims silently applauding rape of a mudaliar girl if true presents a gloomy picture of caste politics.Intellectuals like Gnani should support AAP and contest elections. Only youth power with middle class professionals along with the totally poor can save tamil nadu from a possible caste war
 
BJP ,hoping to garner the Lingayat community votes in Karnataka,has decided to pull back once discarded politician Yeddyurappa into its fold.I feel BJP committing a big mistake since he is considered to be an epitome of corruption not only all over the country but also in his own home state as is evident in the recent assembly election .He appears to be a spent force and his re entry will only boost his ego which will be an embarrassment to the party sometime or other in future.When BJP is aiming high in the centre under the leadership of Modi,re admitting BSY into the party may result in party's possible chances of showing its presence in southern states by Modi wave diminished..This is my personal opinion.People with better knowledge may throw more light for clarity.
 
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I was just wondering ...BJP has won in 4 states and formed Governments in 3 of them...But the newcomer Arvind Kejriwal has gathered all the bits and bytes...Looks like he is soon to overtake Modi in the blogosphere
 
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